Best 70's vintage receiver- Mac? Marantz?
CCSman
What was the best of the lot? A few I specifically recall- Marantz 2238b;
Pioneer SX-650; Mac 1900. They are all readily available. Which should I
choose and why?
Kenneth Kirkpatrick
mc/mm phono stages, watt meters, etc. Nice peice of vintage Yamaha. Ken
MrHONESTY
still be a standard bearer today!
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Steve Zipser
Actually, the older YAMAHA CR-1000 is the best of all the receivers they
ever made.
Zip
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Steve Zipser
> I use to own a CR2020, which was IMO the best available in its day, and may
> still be a standard bearer today!
The Marantz 2325 was better - I owned both.
Zip
> Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote in message <39BCDDA0...@gte.net>...
> >I would add the Yamaha CR 2020 to that list. The tuner is excellent. It has
> >mc/mm phono stages, watt meters, etc. Nice peice of vintage Yamaha. Ken
> >
> >CCSman wrote:
> >
> >> Suppose I want to buy a vintage late 1970's receiver, for whatever
> reason.
> >> What was the best of the lot? A few I specifically recall- Marantz
> 2238b;
> >> Pioneer SX-650; Mac 1900. They are all readily available. Which should
> I
> >> choose and why?
> >
>
>
>
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Kenneth Kirkpatrick
a dealer like yourself could do better! But for me, it is one great receiver for
200.00 and some change The Marantz 2325 brings more money. Nice receiver, but
because of the demand, I think they are a little over priced. IMHO. Cheers, Ken
Donald Willette
section and a really nice FM tuner. In a slim compact package, with a
remote, and very neat touch sensitive controls (no rotary knobs). 105
watts per channel.
Anyone owned a Accuphase from that time frame??? Supposed to be very
good equipment.
My brother would vote for the Harmon Kardon receivers of that
time-frame. The Harmon Kardon twin power 430 was a very nice unit.
Tony Skitt
1970's?". It depends a lot on your own personal preferences. Are you a
Ferrari man? Maybe Porsche? What about a Corvette? Or what about an Aston
Martin like James Bond used to drive?
I have three late 70's high power receivers, a Pioneer SX-1010 (1975, and
110 WPC according to the test reports), a Pioneer SX-1250 (1977/220 WPC) and
a Sansui 9090 (1976/140 WPC). All were top of the manufacturer's range at
the time, and I am sure you would be happy with any of them.
But,
- The Pioneer SX-1010 can support 4 tape decks/adapters - the others can
support only three. I also think it looks best.
- The Pioneer SX-1250 is the only one with a power amp that can compete with
today's high-end amps.
- The Sansui 9090 has the most selective tuner, and is the one I would
choose for long-distance FM.
Overall I like the Pioneer SX-1250 best. But I think the most powerful 70's
receiver was the Pioneer SX-1980, circa 1978 (350 WPC), although I might be
wrong (Marantz??).
If you buy a top of the range model from Pioneer, Sansui, Kenwood or
Marantz, and it is in good condition, I am sure you will be very happy.
Regards
Tony Skitt
PS Problem I've got now is getting period turntables, cassette-decks and
speakers to make up three systems .....
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Kenneth Kirkpatrick
literature.
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Tony Skitt
Marantz, so why why why is he selling it? I hope there's a good reason ..
life-saving operation, maybe?
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MrHONESTY
the Harman/Kardon gear, has usually been strangely absent from the list.
Does anyone really know who made the absolute best in receivers? Accuphase
never made a receiver to date, but I have always regarded their equipment as
the best SS available, then and now!
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Doug Haugen
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> >> Audible Illusions DON'T Straightwire Niles Oracle Graham COMPLAIN Rega
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> >> Dunlavy Lexicon DON'T Volksamp VUTEC EAD CleanLines COMPLAIN Monster
RUNCO ESP
> >> Nakamichi DON'T Genelec Camelot Salamander COMPLAIN Audio Logic PSB
Panasonic Chesky
Is it me, or is Pinhead's traditionally ever-changing product lineup now
visibly SHRINKING?
Wassup, Pinhead? Manufacturers catching on to you? I think your potential
clients did long ago...
And is that a subliminal message I see imbedded? Shame on you!
Steve Zipser
says...
> > >> Sunshine Stereo, Inc http://www.sunshinestereo.com Tel:
> 305-757-9358
> > >> 9535 Biscayne Blvd DON'T Miami Shores, FL 33138 COMPLAIN Fax:
> 305-757-1367
> > >> Conrad Johnson DON'T Spectron Parasound PASS COMPLAIN Labs Gallo
> Acoustics Davis Seleco
> > >> Audible Illusions DON'T Straightwire Niles Oracle Graham COMPLAIN Rega
> Benz-Micro EMT
> > >> Dunlavy Lexicon DON'T Volksamp VUTEC EAD CleanLines COMPLAIN Monster
> RUNCO ESP
> > >> Nakamichi DON'T Genelec Camelot Salamander COMPLAIN Audio Logic PSB
> Panasonic Chesky
>
> Is it me, or is Pinhead's traditionally ever-changing product lineup now
It is you, and your dysfunctional minibrain.
> Wassup, Pinhead? Manufacturers catching on to you? I think your potential
> clients did long ago...
My lines are pretty stable, Haugen. Of course you are an expert on
instability
> And is that a subliminal message I see imbedded? Shame on you!
???????????????????
You are as sick as ever.
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Steve Zipser
> 305-757-9358
> > >> 9535 Biscayne Blvd DON'T Miami Shores, FL 33138 COMPLAIN Fax:
> 305-757-1367
> > >> Conrad Johnson DON'T Spectron Parasound PASS COMPLAIN Labs Gallo
> Acoustics Davis Seleco
> > >> Audible Illusions DON'T Straightwire Niles Oracle Graham COMPLAIN Rega
> Benz-Micro EMT
> > >> Dunlavy Lexicon DON'T Volksamp VUTEC EAD CleanLines COMPLAIN Monster
> RUNCO ESP
> > >> Nakamichi DON'T Genelec Camelot Salamander COMPLAIN Audio Logic PSB
> Panasonic Chesky
>
> Is it me, or is Pinhead's traditionally ever-changing product lineup now
It is you, and your dysfunctional minibrain.
> Wassup, Pinhead? Manufacturers catching on to you? I think your potential
> clients did long ago...
My lines are pretty stable, Haugen. Of course you are an expert on
instability
> And is that a subliminal message I see imbedded? Shame on you!
???????????????????
You are as sick as ever.
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Like shooting fish in a barrel. Poor Pinhead!
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I would go with the Pioneer SX1250 because of
the amp. That way you don't have to limit
the speaker selection. I like the sansui
in fact I would love to have a G-33000 (300
watts) My only gripe with Sansui is getting
parts. Sansui as we know it is completly gone
they are owned by Orion. all they make is cheap
TVs and VCRs. As far as the big high powered
receivers concerned here is a list.
Marantz 2600 300wpc
Pioneer SX1980 270wpc
Technics SA1000 330wpc
Sansui G-33000 300wpc
These are the largest receivers that these
companies have ever built.
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Before you buy.
z
is such that they age well without a lot of drifting off spec. After 20
years, that might be a consideration.
In article <20000910220838...@ng-df1.aol.com>,
Jim Mattoni
>is such that they age well without a lot of drifting off spec. After 20
>years, that might be a consideration.
I wholeheartedly agree. I have an early MAC 1700 and I hook it up every now and
then just to play with it and hopefully keep the filter caps from degrading. It
really amazes me how nice this thing sounds, especially considering it's age. I
could live with the sound easily but not with the lack of a remote. I guess I'm
spoiled.
Happy Listening!
Jim
Todd Krieger
such receivers- the Sansui G9000DB and Luxman R-1120A. The Sansui
sonically was a real disappointment, based on the rave opinions I've
read both here and in AudioReview.com regarding their '70's vintage
units. Then again, I didn't like them back when they were being sold.
Very clean, but the solid-state glare was intolerable. (The bass wasn't
particularly good either.) Made my ears bleed. (I do like the looks of
that receiver, the unit I have is in near-mint condition, and in spite
of my dislike sonically, I don't plan on selling it- for it might match
better with speakers with a more benign impedance.) The Luxman R-1120A
is maybe the second-best '70's vintage receiver I've tried- It was
clean, warm, and could be mistaken for a lot of high-end solid-state out
there. The sound was reminiscent of Edge amps.
Other receivers-
Yamaha- I have a CR-2040. It is a warm sounding receiver with a tad of
"grit" at the top end. The sonics remind me of Pass amps, except for
the "grit."
Marantz- I tried the Nineteen, 2275, 2325, and 2330. I tried three
Nineteens and all sounded quite different. The best one sonically had
only a smidgeon of "dryness," which is a sonic signature of Marantz
receivers in the '70's. The 2330 (not 2330B) was also good, with maybe
a tad more hardness than the best Nineteen. Marantz receivers were
really prone to oxidation, and the innards often exhibit the odor
associated with oxidation. Such units in my experiences have exhibited
deteriorated (grainy, excessively dry) sonics.
Harman/Kardon- The 730 was the best model sonically, but no two sound
exactly the same. They don't have a lot of power, and speakers with
tough impedance or low efficiency won't match well. The hk-670 is the
only '70's vintage receiver ever reviewed in the Absolute Sound, and has
more punch than the 730, but has a more analytic character.
Tandberg- I had a TR-2080, whose preamp and amp sections are comparable
to the Onkyo TX-8500 and Luxman R-1120A. Sonically slightly warmer and
less clean than the Luxman, the solid-state character was benign to the
ears. The tuner section was far more fatiguing to listen to, however.
But a contender if you don't listen to FM.
Onkyo- There is one rare model which IMO really stands out from the
crowd sonically- the TX-8500. (Original, not Mk II.) This particular
receiver is one of *very* few solid-state components I've heard which is
almost devoid of solid-state character. (I have two of these.)
Although not as clean as Luxman or even Sansui, there is a sweetness and
listenability which one often associates with tube equipment. (The
attack and decay of acoustic instruments...) The units do have
reliability problems, and will require at least annual maintenance. The
TX-4500 is only a distant memory sonically from the TX-8500. And the
subsequent Mk II line is maybe the worst-sounding receivers from that
era.
My favorite '70's era receiver is the Onkyo TX-8500, the Luxman R-1120A
second, and the Yamaha CR-2040 and Tandberg TR-2080 tied for third.
Todd Krieger
Chaz
never been serviced and besides some scratchyness when adjusting the
controls sounds and looks as good the day I bought it!
Can't get over the quality of this receiver.
Just lately considering buying a new receiver with home video
capability,possibly a Marantz SR-5000.
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I have a Pioneer SX 737 that I purchased new in 1976. It still is kicking and
works great. I paid $250 for it and I believe I have gotten my money's worth!
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> In article <8pja0u$7m$1...@soap.pipex.net>,
> "Tony Skitt" <tsk...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> the amp. That way you don't have to limit
> the speaker selection. I like the sansui
> in fact I would love to have a G-33000 (300
> watts) My only gripe with Sansui is getting
> parts. Sansui as we know it is completly gone
> they are owned by Orion. all they make is cheap
> TVs and VCRs. As far as the big high powered
> receivers concerned here is a list.
>
> Marantz 2600 300wpc
> Pioneer SX1980 270wpc
> Technics SA1000 330wpc
> Sansui G-33000 300wpc
> These are the largest receivers that these
> companies have ever built.
>
Trevor Wilson
and well over 400 Watts/channel @ 4 Ohms (typically around 420
Watts/channel). And, it could deliver that power day in, day out, thanks
to the fan cooling (none of the other Jap receivers could survive full
power tests for very long). Trouble is, it sounded like shit. I know the
amp well. I serviced them back in the 1970s (I was service manager for
Marantz Australia back then). I even owned one. What can I say? I was
young and stupid. I thought that lots of power = good sound. Truth is,
the high point of Marantz in the 1970s were these (US made) models:
Model 3300 preamp
Model 240/250/250M power amps
Model 1200b integrated amp (which used the 240 output stage)
and the absolute pinnacle of US manufactured Marantz amps:
The Model 500 power amp. I still own mine. Utterly fabulous sounding
thing, but chronically unreliable. Legend has it that the entire Marantz
Model 500 project (design - manufacture - promotion - warranty) cost
Superscope a cool 3 million Bucks. In total, 300 Model 500 amps were
built (by hand). One listen to the Model 500 and all the high power
Japanese receivers will be relegated to boat anchors.
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