Linn Keilidh Positioning
96k...@my-dejanews.com
I would really appreciate feedback from Linn owners on the following:
I have a Karik/Kairn/LK100 *2/Keilidh Aktiv System - the Keilidhs are mounted
on the optional granite stands. The problem is that the height of my settee is
such that my listening position (or ears, as we call them) is somewhere just
below the top woofer of the the Keilidhs - i.e. not at tweeter level. The
result is that some music sounds congested and bass heavy.
Is there a recommended solution to raising the Keilidhs (by about 3" - 5")? I
have tried tilting them back by lengthening the front screws on each stand
but:
1. They wobble
2. They look really stupid
If necessary, I would consider replacing the granite stands and using a
different stand with the required height.
Thanks
Ken
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Fear3000
>The problem is that the height of my settee is
>such that my listening position (or ears, as we call them) is somewhere just
>below the top woofer of the the Keilidhs - i.e. not at tweeter level. The
>result is that some music sounds congested and bass heavy.
>Is there a recommended solution to raising the Keilidhs...?
>I would really appreciate feedback from Linn owners
I'm not a Linn owner, but what had worked for me in a simular situatuion, was
to place the speaker on the stand upside down (the woofer on top). Your
speakers are small enough to make this easy to try.
If all fails, you can always buy shorter stands, or put wood blocks under the
feet of your settee (rasing it by the required amount).
Best wishes,
Fear3000
Stephen McElroy
>
> >The problem is that the height of my settee is
> >such that my listening position (or ears, as we call them) is somewhere just
> >below the top woofer of the the Keilidhs - i.e. not at tweeter level. The
> >result is that some music sounds congested and bass heavy.
>
> >Is there a recommended solution to raising the Keilidhs...?
>
> >I would really appreciate feedback from Linn owners
I don't own them myself, but I am somewhat familiar with these speakers
and would wonder about your diagnosis of the problem you describe. If
nothing else, the Keilidhs are designed as floorstanders, presumably the
tweeter dispersion allows for normal listening positions. Could you be
more specific about the rest of your system, your room, speaker position
(distance from walls, etc), and the specific music examples that show this
problem? Does this problem music sound OK when your ears are at tweeter
height?
A Kaber Aktiv owner just trying to help,
Stephen
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96k...@my-dejanews.com
fear...@aol.com (Fear3000) wrote:
> >From: 96k...@my-dejanews.com
>
> >The problem is that the height of my settee is
> >such that my listening position (or ears, as we call them) is somewhere just
> >below the top woofer of the the Keilidhs - i.e. not at tweeter level. The
> >result is that some music sounds congested and bass heavy.
>
> >Is there a recommended solution to raising the Keilidhs...?
>
> >I would really appreciate feedback from Linn owners
>
> to place the speaker on the stand upside down (the woofer on top). Your
> speakers are small enough to make this easy to try.
>
> If all fails, you can always buy shorter stands, or put wood blocks under the
> feet of your settee (rasing it by the required amount).
>
> Best wishes,
> Fear3000
I'm not sure this would work - the tweeter is pretty much in the centre of
the 2 bass drivers and is (itself) pretty much in the centre of the speaker.
It's not really a question of shorter stands either - longer stands are what
I need to raise the height of the tweeter. I guess I could always take the
legs of the settee, but I can think of at least one person in my house that
wouldn't be very happy about this ... Thanks for the input nonetheless. Ken
96k...@my-dejanews.com
smc...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen McElroy) wrote:
> > >From: 96k...@my-dejanews.com
> >
> > >The problem is that the height of my settee is
> > >such that my listening position (or ears, as we call them) is somewhere
just
> > >below the top woofer of the the Keilidhs - i.e. not at tweeter level. The
> > >result is that some music sounds congested and bass heavy.
> >
> > >Is there a recommended solution to raising the Keilidhs...?
> >
> > >I would really appreciate feedback from Linn owners
>
> and would wonder about your diagnosis of the problem you describe. If
> nothing else, the Keilidhs are designed as floorstanders, presumably the
> tweeter dispersion allows for normal listening positions. Could you be
> more specific about the rest of your system, your room, speaker position
> (distance from walls, etc), and the specific music examples that show this
> problem? Does this problem music sound OK when your ears are at tweeter
> height?
>
> A Kaber Aktiv owner just trying to help,
>
> Stephen
Stephen
My system is entirely Linn - including bi-wire speaker cable and all
interconnects between Karik/Kairn and Kairn/LK100s. The system is mounted on
a Sound Organisation stand (I've thought about using Mana - any experience?).
Speakers are about 12" from rear wall and 30" from corners of room - slightly
toed in (about 15 degrees). The room has a wooden floor but is reasonably
"heavily" furnished - mats, thick curtains, pictures, book cases - all
(hopefully) helping to break up any standing waves. The room itself is about
23' long and I am about 9' away from the speakers. This is not ideal but I
really have no choice. The music that sounds congested tends to be vocal
based - there appears to be slight slurring on the vocals of (for example)
the latest Madonna album (highly recommended, BTW), the Page and Plant album.
Bass tends to be intrusive on these albums also. Really simple music like
Randy Travis sounds excellent - pinpoint imaging and clarity. So... is it a
feature of (some of) my CDs, or is there something more fundamental at work
here? Thanks Ken
>
> --
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> smc...@mail.utexas.edu (Stephen McElroy) wrote:
> > > >From: 96k...@my-dejanews.com
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> My system is entirely Linn - including bi-wire speaker cable and all
> interconnects between Karik/Kairn and Kairn/LK100s. The system is mounted on
> a Sound Organisation stand (I've thought about using Mana - any experience?).
> Speakers are about 12" from rear wall and 30" from corners of room - slightly
> toed in (about 15 degrees). The room has a wooden floor but is reasonably
> "heavily" furnished - mats, thick curtains, pictures, book cases - all
> (hopefully) helping to break up any standing waves. The room itself is about
> 23' long and I am about 9' away from the speakers. This is not ideal but I
> really have no choice. The music that sounds congested tends to be vocal
> based - there appears to be slight slurring on the vocals of (for example)
> the latest Madonna album (highly recommended, BTW), the Page and Plant album.
> Bass tends to be intrusive on these albums also. Really simple music like
> Randy Travis sounds excellent - pinpoint imaging and clarity. So... is it a
> feature of (some of) my CDs, or is there something more fundamental at work
> here? Thanks Ken
Hi, Ken,
It doesn't sound like you have a lot of flexibility in room placement, so
we won't restart the "long wall vs. short wall" placement debate recently
seen concerning Dunlavy speaakers IIRC. Sorry that I'm not familiar with
your recordings, but I would assume them to be competently recorded. The
videos sound fine on my 13" TV...Madonna and P&P both have some heavy
dance sounds that might be a challenge.
My Kabers sound best only an inch or two from the back wall. I would
assume the same to be true for the Keilidhs; this has been the case for
the Keilidh based systems I've heard. Of course, one would guess this
would thicken the bass (or mid bass), possibly worsening your problem, but
I'd try it first and without tilting. You could then tilt at a smaller
angle if you still felt the need to have the tweeters point at your ears.
Also try moving the listening position as close as possible to the
opposite wall; this might eliminate some room reflections.
The Linn approved solution: Aktiv board. If you're already Aktiv, maybe
the dealer needs to lower the woofer level. How about that new tweeter
offered by Linn?
Good luck,
Stephen
PS I like my Sound Organisation stand, but the looks could be improved upon.
96k...@my-dejanews.com
Hi Stephen Thanks for the input - I'll try moving the Keilidhs about as you
suggest. My system is currently Aktiv bi-amped - but since the Keilidhs are
only 2 way speakers (albeit with 3 drive units), the bass cannot be altered.
The treble can be increased or decreased - the bass remains constant. I'll
also check out the new tweeter - if Linn would ever update their Web site,
maybe we wouldn't have to resort to newsgroups so much! Ultimately, I plan to
go Aktiv Kaber (or, if I can get a pair secondhand, Aktiv Keltik) - but this
is not going to happen for for a couple of years. Thanks Ken