For Sale: 300 Watt Acoustic 9901 Speakers
rks...@onr.com
For Sale:
Acoustic 9901 speakers
300 Watt
Sensitivity: 92 dB, 1 watt, 1 meter
Crossover: 700 to 3000 Hz
True tuned port system
Nominal impedance: 4 to 8 ohm
Frequency Response: 35 to 22,000 Hz
This is a good line of speakers - they are loud as hell, sound really good
and hold up under a lot of usage. They are still in the box. They have a 5
year warranty.
$400 or best offer.
Rajib Singh
you can contact me at:
(512) 443-5612
rks...@onr.com
rks...@mail.utexas.edu
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Robert Morein
these speakers made in nameless sweatshops and sold at 1000X actual
value.
rksingh, be ashamed of yourself, and worry more about your good name.
Nobody here will touch them.
for-...@webtv.net
another sucker
Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo)
These speakers contain about $10 worth of parts SCAM SCAM
David Gibson
Whoa... I've got these vans in my city (Ft. Collins, CO) as well...
I had wondered what their scam was. I offered them $75 for these speakers
(same ones described below) which they said they got for free... well, I
guess that they had a larger scam target in mind!
---Dave
In rec.audio.pro Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo) <z...@netrunner.net> wrote:
: These speakers contain about $10 worth of parts SCAM SCAM
Richard Benigne
David Gibson <dgi...@holly.ColoState.EDU> wrote:
>Whoa... I've got these vans in my city (Ft. Collins, CO) as well...
>I had wondered what their scam was. I offered them $75 for these speakers
>(same ones described below) which they said they got for free... well, I
>guess that they had a larger scam target in mind!
>---Dave
We have them all over Phoenix, AZ. they are advertised as acoustics,
acoustic response, etc. guys in white and blue vans. these speakers
are horrible. I got them for free after the police arrested them for
representing them as stolen.
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Christopher M. Whipple
They normally ask $400. An old neighbor of mine got caught with thme
about 10 years ago. He was a former cop, go figure!!
They really sounded bad.
Dean Wyant
That's amazing, these guys have been around Atlanta for years. Hey, want
some free speakers? Yea! Give em to me!... "No, we got them for free,
what will you give us for them." Or, man, my boss made a mistake and
these are on the truck but not in inventory, how much will you give me?
Look here are the brochures, these go for $799 a pair. Acoustic Response
is a pro brand name and these are some of the best monitors
available....
What a scam. They really wanted $400 a pair (hey that's half price!) so
I offered them $100 for the pair. They hyped, bitched and moaned and
then said they would sell them to me for $150 a pair. I said, well I
have no money... "We'll follow you to an ATM". I said, sorry, I'm not a
sucker, you wanted $400 now you'll take $150, these things aren't worth
$50 a pair, go get a real job!
I've seen people actually buying things from these white vans!
Austin Film Festival
In article <33C96D...@mindspring.com>, Dean Wyant
<dwy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> That's amazing, these guys have been around Atlanta for years. Hey, want
> some free speakers? Yea! Give em to me!... "No, we got them for free,
> what will you give us for them." Or, man, my boss made a mistake and
> these are on the truck but not in inventory, how much will you give me?
> Look here are the brochures, these go for $799 a pair. Acoustic Response
> is a pro brand name and these are some of the best monitors
> available....
Wow! You just described verbatim the two scam-boys who tried the same bit
on me here in Austin. They were cruising a parking lot of a popular
shopping center in a late-model Ford Bronco. I got the same story from them
-- first it was, "we got them for free." Then, probably thinking I didn't
hear that, they gave me the "they delivered too many of these to our
boss..."
I said, "Suuuuuuuure. I believe you." Then drove away.
I wonder if they're traveling the country with those things.
Jose G. Gardea
Hey were they in a green explorer in Austin? Was ia red ead guy? If it
was they were in San Antonio two days ago and i told them oh yeah you
only got four? And they said yes. I said man I have a business and would
like to buy at least 8 so they told me to wait for them and they would go
and get them in 30 minutes. Heheheh about time I get to scam a scammer.
It feels good you guys should try it.
Gilbert Bates
Austi...@aol.com (Austin Film Festival) wrote:
>In article <33C96D...@mindspring.com>, Dean Wyant
><dwy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> That's amazing, these guys have been around Atlanta for years. Hey, want
>> some free speakers? Yea! Give em to me!... "No, we got them for free,
>> what will you give us for them." Or, man, my boss made a mistake and
>> these are on the truck but not in inventory, how much will you give me?
>> Look here are the brochures, these go for $799 a pair. Acoustic Response
>> is a pro brand name and these are some of the best monitors
>> available....
>Wow! You just described verbatim the two scam-boys who tried the same bit
>on me here in Austin. They were cruising a parking lot of a popular
>shopping center in a late-model Ford Bronco. I got the same story from them
>-- first it was, "we got them for free." Then, probably thinking I didn't
>hear that, they gave me the "they delivered too many of these to our
>boss..."
>I said, "Suuuuuuuure. I believe you." Then drove away.
>I wonder if they're traveling the country with those things.
Yeah, they tried to get me as I was leaving my bank's parking lot in
Fort Collins, Co. Must have thought I had just gotten money or
something. White mini-van and got the same story as I nailed the gas,
shaking my head 'NO'. They appeared truly dissappointed that I didn't
even want to take a look. Sounds like a nation wide scam huh?
Go figure...
Pin 2 Hot
Gilbert Bates wrote:
> >> Acoustic Response
> >> is a pro brand name and these are some of the best monitors
> >> available....
>
Hee, hee, hee... guffaw.
> ><dwy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Wow! You just described verbatim the two scam-boys who tried the same
> bit
> >on me here in Austin. They were cruising a parking lot of a popular
> >shopping center in a late-model Ford Bronco.
Which parking lot? (I'm from Austin, too.)
> >I wonder if they're traveling the country with those things.
Kind of like Amway, the "will work for food (gimme a handout)" folks,
and the watchtower people , they're everywhere.
> Yeah, they tried to get me as I was leaving my bank's parking lot in
> Fort Collins, Co. Must have thought I had just gotten money or
> something. White mini-van and got the same story as I nailed the gas,
> shaking my head 'NO'. They appeared truly dissappointed that I didn't
> even want to take a look. Sounds like a nation wide scam huh?
Yup.
> Go figure...
This scam has been going on since... oh... ~1985, and maybe before.
Back then, they were called " Linear Phase", I guess so you'd
confuse them with the reputable company called Phase Linear.
--
Gene
When replying by e-mail, please remove the asterisks from my e-mail
address, they are there in an attempt to thwart the automailers.
jerome engelberts
In article <33c8024d...@news.primenet.com>, xhot...@primenet.com
(Richard Benigne) wrote:
...You're probably not going to believe me, but about 4 years ago in
Amsterdam (The Netherlands) the very same scam (maybe even with the same
brand name speakers) was going on. Either they (the people behind the
bad-speakers-but-novel-franchising-scheme) find enough gullible victims,
or there's this ONE white van with two enormously dim guys driving ALL
OVER THE WORLD trying to unload 4 speakers. Somehow it tickels my sense of
humor to tink it's the latter.
just my two cents,
Jerome
--
"You can't hold no groove if you ain't got no pocket" (Victor Wooten)
James Ussher
This has been going on for at least 2 years in the UK....so many people
have been fooled by the scam.
The first instance that I heard about was my cousin fooled by the
delivery note line. He asked me to check out these speakers for him....I
wouldn't have paid 10%.
The question is how are the culprits nailed.
Even some well intentioned but less than knowledgeable music shops are
displaying them as stock, having been ripped off.
Angela Hawkes
Richard Benigne (xhot...@primenet.com) wrote:
: David Gibson <dgi...@holly.ColoState.EDU> wrote:
:
: >Whoa... I've got these vans in my city (Ft. Collins, CO) as well...
: >I had wondered what their scam was. I offered them $75 for these speakers
: >(same ones described below) which they said they got for free... well, I
: >guess that they had a larger scam target in mind!
: >---Dave
: We have them all over Phoenix, AZ. they are advertised as acoustics,
: acoustic response, etc. guys in white and blue vans. these speakers
: are horrible. I got them for free after the police arrested them for
: representing them as stolen.
: To Reply via E-mail remove the x from the name
been going on where i live (tampa/st.pete) for at least 10 years. they
also do other consumer electronics stuff like answering machines, phones,
etc. in addition to that, there are ads in the paper looking for people to
drive the white vans..
chris
Larry A. Spera
I've been approached by these scam artists in NJ (Cherry Hill), also.
They got VERY angry when I refused to buy them.
--
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PO Box 101 lsp...@snip.net
Pitman, NJ 08071 ICQ ID: 759054
Eric Blackmer
They should be called the PT Barnum speakers. I have seen this scam
around for atleast 15 years in the Boston area. I have even seen people
recently proudly showing them off as the great deal they got off the
back of a truck. Same line...they were put on the truck by accident...
are they still liquid cooled? Won't people ever learn that if a deal
looks too good to be real then it probably is!
chuckle,
Eric Blackmer
http://www.earthwks.com
Gary
>Austi...@aol.com (Austin Film Festival) wrote:
>
>>In article <33C96D...@mindspring.com>, Dean Wyant
>><dwy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>> That's amazing, these guys have been around Atlanta for years. Hey, want
>>> some free speakers? Yea! Give em to me!... "No, we got them for free,
>>> what will you give us for them." Or, man, my boss made a mistake and
>>> these are on the truck but not in inventory, how much will you give me?
>>> Look here are the brochures, these go for $799 a pair. Acoustic Response
>>> is a pro brand name and these are some of the best monitors
>>> available....
>
>>Wow! You just described verbatim the two scam-boys who tried the same bit
>>on me here in Austin. They were cruising a parking lot of a popular
>>shopping center in a late-model Ford Bronco. I got the same story from them
>>-- first it was, "we got them for free." Then, probably thinking I didn't
>>hear that, they gave me the "they delivered too many of these to our
>>boss..."
>
>>I said, "Suuuuuuuure. I believe you." Then drove away.
>
>>I wonder if they're traveling the country with those things.
>
>
>Yeah, they tried to get me as I was leaving my bank's parking lot in
>Fort Collins, Co. Must have thought I had just gotten money or
>something. White mini-van and got the same story as I nailed the gas,
>shaking my head 'NO'. They appeared truly dissappointed that I didn't
>even want to take a look. Sounds like a nation wide scam huh?
>
>Go figure...
Interesting !!! they tried to get me with the same scam when I was
leaving my bank in Flint, Mich. I felt at the time they were zeroing
in on people coming from the bank as they suspected they would have
just cashed a check or withdrawn some money.
Gary ...
Steve Phipps
Larry A. Spera wrote:
> I've been approached by these scam artists in NJ (Cherry Hill), also.
> They got VERY angry when I refused to buy them.
The same thing happened to me a few weeks ago in Tulsa. The driver
claimed he picked up a truckload of them at "Best Buy" down the street
and they accidently loaded a few extra pairs on his truck that he would
sell for $400 instead of the "usual" $800. Seems like they would want to
come up with more creativity other than using a lame pitch like this.
SP
John Soucie
Dean Wyant wrote:
> I offered them $100 for the pair. They hyped, bitched and moaned and
> then said they would sell them to me for $150 a pair. I said, well I
> have no money... "We'll follow you to an ATM". I said, sorry, I'm not a
> sucker, you wanted $400 now you'll take $150, these things aren't worth
> $50 a pair, go get a real job!
I friend of mine fell for the scam in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada so it's
not a US only thing either. In his case they didn't offer to follow
him to the ATM, one of the guys just jumped into the passenger seat of
his car and they drove across the parking lot to the ATM. He bought
them but the worst thing is the next day he went to put on his expensive
Serengetti sunglasses and....you guessed it....gone. They really can
be considered crooks in probably many cases. People who get hired in
each town to do this job surely consider themselves "scam artists" and
scamming money for speakers or scamming a pair of expensive sunglasses
is no different for most of these people.
--
The opinions expressed here are the John Soucie
opinions of the author and in no way sou...@nortel.ca
reflect the opinions of Northern
Telecom.
Dana
Gilbert Bates wrote:
> Yeah, they tried to get me as I was leaving my bank's parking lot in
> Fort Collins, Co. Must have thought I had just gotten money or
> something. White mini-van and got the same story as I nailed the gas,
> shaking my head 'NO'. They appeared truly dissappointed that I didn't
> even want to take a look. Sounds like a nation wide scam huh?
Yes it is. And an understandable one at that.
After all, how many potential speaker purchasers have any idea as
to how to evaluate speaker construction? These guys say all
of the same things that legitimate companies say. They have
poly 10" drivers and liquid-cooler metal tweeters and claim
20 to 20K frequency response, et al.
Many people have no idea how cheaply a 3-way speaker (a
popular design for white-van speakers) can be made.
Then they can claim whatever list price they want, because
after all, can't you find simple two-way speakers that
have list prices of over $4000? Yes you can, like from
ProAc. This seemingly legitimizes their claims.
It is like buying jewelry and watches from a street
salesperson. Most people cannot accurately determine
what they are really getting.
So with the potential of an extremely high profit
margin (like selling speakers that cost $25 to make
for $300-$400 a pair), this is bound to be a wide-
spread scam.
I've also seen this type of equipment being sold at
this traveling Discount Consumer Goods shows that
set up at fairgrounds and convention centers. The
guys who sell "Namebrand handtools and stereos
for 75% off."
As far as I'm concerned, some of the discount stores engage
in similar practices. I've seen some store-brand speakers
that look and sound almost identical to white-van speakers.
But at least they have a warranty (it doesn't cost much
to replace a $4 woofer back in the service department).
Dana
Rob Mounsey
I've seen these guys cruising around NYC too...
-- Rob Mounsey
Flying Monkey Inc., NYC
www.flyingmonkey.com
Carol Watson
> > I wonder if they're traveling the country with those things.
> >
> >
So bizarre, I ran into the same situation in Albuquerque, NM-- in a Home
Depot parking lot. They must be aliens...
Carol
Tim Kniveton
After reading the White Van posts yesterday, I thought it was amusing,
but had never encountered it in the U.S.
Then, while filling up at a gas station, here in Switzerland, I was
approached by an attractive young lady who unfolded what was presumably
a "shipping order" for speakers. After telling her off, she got back
into a WHITE VAN, which was an Avis rental, with another unmarked van
behind her. They sped off, and later I saw the unmarked van on the
highway, with lots of boxes saying "Acoustic.." something on them.
I swear, it must be a franchise scheme. Maybe you can purchase a white
van and speakers in one of those "make money" spams I keep deleting...
David M Hess
I had a run in with these guys late last Feb, and then just last week at a
Burger King here in Austin, Texas. First time they said they were on a
delivery and they had some extra pair of speakers to get rid of (extra
inventory that hadn't been accounted for by the boss ;) I got there license
plate, but I doubt it does anygood....
Anway this time I saw they were trying to scam some little kid, I went over
there and told them basically to get the fuck out before there was going to be
some serious problems. I told the buyer that the speakers weren't worth but
about maybe $10-15 each because of the box they are in, definately not $849.
The two teenage BOYS, about 18-19 trying to pull the scam got pissed off that
I ran off there "customer". One even said "Ohhh, look HERO MAN, trying to
save the world.......Look I got bills to pay and I don't go around running off
your customers.....(I have a small landscaping business here in Austin). I
kinda laughed that he said that while I was standing there in my work clothes,
he acted like I didn't know what a real job is and what bills are. Anyway, to
make a long story short, they got the fuck out....I'm just curious who's
running this show and what can the police do? I'm seeing these speakers pop
up EVERYWHERE on campus forsale bulletins and in the newspapers.
David Hess
dmh...@mail.utexas.edu
mu...@bellsouth.net
Rob Mounsey <mou...@flyingmonkey.com> wrote:
>I've seen these guys cruising around NYC too...
Nashville,Tennessee as well....
Chris Kline
In article <33CAD0...@flyingmonkey.com>, Rob Mounsey <mou...@flyingmonkey.com> says:
>
>I've seen these guys cruising around NYC too...
>
nationally organized direct marketing company (or a few). The funny
thing is that this scam is completely (or mostly) legal...the company
that gives the scammers the speakers probably pays taxes on 'em and
everything...theres nothing illegal about giving the impression that
goods are stolen...now the sunglasses are another matter...
Chris
Keith
>These speakers contain about $10 worth of parts SCAM SCAM
>
>
>rks...@onr.com wrote:
>>
>> For Sale:
>>
>> Acoustic 9901 speakers
>>
>> 300 Watt
>> Sensitivity: 92 dB, 1 watt, 1 meter
>> Crossover: 700 to 3000 Hz
>> True tuned port system
>> Nominal impedance: 4 to 8 ohm
>> Frequency Response: 35 to 22,000 Hz
>>
>> This is a good line of speakers - they are loud as hell, sound really good
>> and hold up under a lot of usage. They are still in the box. They have a 5
>> year warranty.
>>
>> $400 or best offer.
>>
>> Rajib Singh
>>
>> you can contact me at:
>>
>> (512) 443-5612
>> rks...@onr.com
>> rks...@mail.utexas.edu
>>
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Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE, spam this guy (rks...@onr.com), and
offer him $10.00 for the speakers and he pays for shipping..
paul...@nospamerinet.com
Maybe we could get something started under alt.conspiracy.alien.speakers
CharlesHorn
(snip)
> I'm just curious who's
> running this show and what can the police do? I'm seeing these speakers
pop
> up EVERYWHERE on campus forsale bulletins and in the newspapers.
I have it on good authority that Hartley Peavey is behind the "White Van
Scam" Those are actually slumming Peavey dealers selling TOA overstocks...
Brian Watson
There was a report on TV not too long ago about this scam. Basically these
people buy these speakers for about $50 a pair and the the scam begins...
I was approached in a parking lot at a sports bar in Houston in '91. I was
not aware of the scam at the time. :(
Brian
paul...@NOSPAMerinet.com wrote in article
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Real Garry
Vegas checking in. Happens here too. They stopped me as I was passing a
Circuit City. Talked about it on my morning radio show and dozens of
others called in with similar experiences. Reminds me of those crooked
telemarketers. It would almost be fun to attend one of their recruiting
meetings to hear how they justify their con game.
Garry
Keith
what is the deal with these people? Is their merchandise stolen? or is
it just garbage that they are trying to sell?
JRohio
We have had them in Coloumbus, Ohio as well. In fact, a friend of a
friend bought some - I tried to tell him they were crap, but he swears
they are great stuff!!! "Yeah, you know, that famous brand Accoustic?"
Oh well, ya try to tell 'em and they just don't listen.
Dean Wyant
> Maybe we could get something started under alt.conspiracy.alien.speakers
They are the MIWV's - Men In White Vans! We should send the MIB after
them.
There is no doubt that this is some kind of franchise or documented
resale operation. I'm sure that if someone looks hard enough through the
classifieds and telephone pole signs that they can land a job selling
these speakers. You'll get 4 speakers and a written sales pitch to
memorize.
People are excited about getting something for what they think is a huge
discount, even if they don't know what they are buying. I like getting
bargins too, but I'm not gullible enough to pay hundreds of dollars for
some unknown brand of speakers of of the back of a truck (let alone off
of the internet)
Richard White
Sounds like this scam is not limited to speakers. A guy dressed in a
maintenance company t-shirt was in our office (midtown Manhattan) the
other day, and claimed to have been working on another floor, where they
were doing interior decoration installation ... posters, "Monets,
Dalis, real nice stuff ...." and they had a couple of them left over,
would I be interested?
Ummmm, I don't think so.
I'm now wondering what this guy walked out of HERE with ....
--
rich white
ri...@noiseparty.com
to reply, delete {nospam} from address
http://www.noiseparty.com
Mark Lakata
John Soucie wrote:
>
This scam has been going on for almost 10 years in the US. I thought
that the ring had been broken up, but it seems that it is back.
The whole scam is really slick. The glossy color spec sheets got me.
If you want to feel really sick, open up the cases. No cross-over (save
a dinky capacitor) and a really, really small magnet on the main driver.
The speakers are probably worth about $10 each, the case a bit more.
I fell for this, as well as about 4 other people I know! I think they
got me for at least $200.
-Mark
> Dean Wyant wrote:
>
> > I offered them $100 for the pair. They hyped, bitched and moaned and
> > then said they would sell them to me for $150 a pair. I said, well I
> > have no money... "We'll follow you to an ATM". I said, sorry, I'm not a
> > sucker, you wanted $400 now you'll take $150, these things aren't worth
> > $50 a pair, go get a real job!
--
Mark Lakata
MTLa...@lbl.gov
http://nsdssp.lbl.gov/lakata
UC Berkeley Physics Department
Terry Kirch
Brian Watson wrote:
>
> There was a report on TV not too long ago about this scam. Basically these
> people buy these speakers for about $50 a pair and the the scam begins...
>
> I was approached in a parking lot at a sports bar in Houston in '91. I was
> not aware of the scam at the time. :(
>
> Brian
>
I can't believe that this scam is still going on. I got taken in 1987 in
a parking lot
in Costa Mesa, CA. The parking lot was next to a bank and I just had
deposited my paycheck
on a Friday afternoon. These two guys came on with this line about
installing these speakers
in some club around town. The scammers said thier boss had invoiced out
too many for the job and they were
free to get what they could for the extra sets. They kept coming on
about how good these speakers were,
liquid cooled and everthing. Well I got suckered for $250. I still don't
know how I could have let it happen.
I had a feeling it was a shakey deal, but the maybe because speakers
were a good size and I had the money in hand
I got taken. When I got the speakers home and took a closer look they
were crap. I went back to look for these guys
but they were gone. Perhaps it's best cause I was so angry I don't know
what would have happened, but I'm sure the damage
either to me or them would have been more than $250.
I did some more investigating on the scam and found that it was
basically legal. The cops said that when they encountered
these jerks all they could do was ask them to move on. I guess they're
still movin' on today....
--
- everything went from bad to worse
money never changed a thing - dylan
Randy Eubanks
I saw a couple of guys doing this back in about 1980 but didn't fall for
it. (I was too cheap, and have a habit of not believing anyone) But
about a week later I went to a friend's house and he showed the "Great
new speakers he got from these guys..." "The sounded WONDERFUL until
they blew out, so I replaced the guts with some PyleDrivers... I got
SUCH a DEAL!!!!"
What a twit!
Terry Kirch wrote:
>
> Brian Watson wrote:
> >
> > There was a report on TV not too long ago about this scam. Basically these
> > people buy these speakers for about $50 a pair and the the scam begins...
SNIP
Eric Blackmer
CharlesHorn wrote:
>I have it on good authority that Hartley Peavey is behind the "White
>Van Scam" Those are actually slumming Peavey dealers selling TOA
>overstocks...
Charles,
No, these speakers are not even that good. I have some friends who run
a speaker reconing place near Boston and as you can imagine they get
these in fairly often. Imagine the poor sucker's faces when they are
told that the speakers aren't even worth fixing. The cost of the
speakers is probably under $10 including the boxes.
The thing that amazes me is the consistancy of the modus operandi. The
white vans, the packing list, the whole line is exactly as I've heard it
for so many years (15). Obviously the scam works- PT Barnum was right!
I am proud to say, though, that I never fell for it.
Best regards,
Eric Blackmer
http://www.earthwks.com
Zudio
I guess they're back at it again. They were in Arlington, TX (DFW) back in
'90.
mu...@bellsouth.net wrote in article
<5qfl7p$dqv$1...@news.bna.bellsouth.net>...
> Rob Mounsey <mou...@flyingmonkey.com> wrote:
>
> >I've seen these guys cruising around NYC too...
>
> Nashville,Tennessee as well....
>
>
John Deacon
I saw these guys at clicks pool hall in austin, they got real upset when i
told the attracted crowd they were a bunch of crap :)
Rob Tarr
I got the same thing here in PHoenix, AZ. I was driving my dad's Miata,
so they probably thought I had a lot of money. Man were they ever
wrong. They've also approached two of my friends, on multiple
occassions. Usually coming from the bank. These people are out of
control.
Vandit Kalia
Question is, is it really ILLEGAL? They are free to slap on any
list price that they want, it is not wrongful advertisement to make
subjective claims about the quality of your product and it certainly isnt
illegal to use high-pressure sales tactics.
The only thing of dubious legality is the story about how they got the
speakers but even that doesnt sound illegal per se.
Which is probably why they seem to have built up quite a decent-sized
operation.
Vandit
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irrevocably"
David Light
On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:20:02 -0400, Dean Wyant <dwy...@netime.com>
wrote:
>People are excited about getting something for what they think is a huge
>discount, even if they don't know what they are buying. I like getting
>bargins too, but I'm not gullible enough to pay hundreds of dollars for
>some unknown brand of speakers of of the back of a truck (let alone off
>of the internet)
I was approached by some of these guys a few weeks ago myself. I
can see how someone who didn't know better would think they were
getting a great deal. They claimed to work as pro installers and had
"extra" speakers delivered for a job and had to get rid of them before
showing up for the install. After looking at the boxes and listening
to the "experts" it was an obvious hoax.
DPL
Ranbo999
I had heard of the scam on a TV news report before I ever encountered one
here in Phoenix. So when they approached me one day in a mall parking lot,
I told them I wasn't interested and that I was only looking for surround
channel speakers for my home theater. They immediately said "Oh we've got
some of those!" They showed me a picture of the supposed "surround"
speakers and they reminded me of the worst of the mass market speakers of
the late '70s; wallpaper thin wood veneer, cheap white paper 15" woofer, 5
way design, 20 inch wide, 4 inch deep cabinet. I'm sure they were the same
speakers they were selling as main stereo speakers. I laughed and walked
away and they couldn't believe I wasn't impressed. I didn't even bother
trying to explain to them that first they weren't surround speakers and
second, they were junk.
Avalonav
The new Bryston B60 and B60R (remote) got great write ups in Bound for
Sound
and Sam Tellig's column in the May Stereophile. This is a great piece and
a
real value for Bryston. You are basically getting a B20 preamp, less one
input and output and balanced I/O and a 2B amp 60 watt amp is thrown in
for
$1495 ! If you do not have a local dealer and would like more info
please
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Yosemite Sam
What, have people not encountered this before? It's about the oldest
scam in the books. I have lived in the LA area all my life and I've run
into people pulling this scam Since 1973. Not regularly, mind you, but
several times over the years. My friend Barry, who's about the biggest
con-artist I know personally, fell for it about three years ago. I still
regret telling him that he hadn't really bought $1000 studio monitors for
$200, because he never would have known the difference if I hadn't told
him. At least he did get a pair of $200 speakers which served his
purpose just fine.
Yosemite Sam
tjb...@tcp.co.uk
In article <33CA18...@ussher.demon.co.uk>,
James Ussher <ja...@ussher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> This has been going on for at least 2 years in the UK....so many people
> have been fooled by the scam.
>
> The first instance that I heard about was my cousin fooled by the
> delivery note line. He asked me to check out these speakers for him....I
> wouldn't have paid 10%.
>
> The question is how are the culprits nailed.
>
> Even some well intentioned but less than knowledgeable music shops are
> displaying them as stock, having been ripped off.
Be warned, this scam as described by US posts is *exactly* operating in
the UK at the moment. A couple of months ago in Godalming, Surrey a white
van with 2 guys in it pulled up, trying to sell me speakers that were
normally £799 (note lack of proper dollar conversion!) and wanted to flog
them to me for £400...same story about 'too much on the inventory, so
they were already paid for and want to flog them before their boss took
them away' Sound familiar? Luckily I didn't bite, even thought I didn't
know about the scam and they went down to £150 and were very convincing
in their hard sell and wasted a good part of my lunchhour, but I was very
wary of such a selling technique and now I've read the posts I'm glad I
didn't buy them! I'm really surprised though that the selling technique,
white van, prices, story and products are exactly the same as have been
described in the US, switzerland, netherlands...! Be careful out there.
Tim Baker
Noisegate Electronic e-zine: http://www.rfbaker.demon.co.uk/noisegate/
Douglas Boyd
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:17:44 GMT, gd...@rocketmail.com (Gary) wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:13:46 GMT, gba...@holly.colostate.edu (Gilbert
>Bates) wrote:
>
>>Austi...@aol.com (Austin Film Festival) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <33C96D...@mindspring.com>, Dean Wyant
>>><dwy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> That's amazing, these guys have been around Atlanta for years. Hey, want
>>>> some free speakers? Yea! Give em to me!... "No, we got them for free,
>>>> what will you give us for them." Or, man, my boss made a mistake and
>>>> these are on the truck but not in inventory, how much will you give me?
>>>> Look here are the brochures, these go for $799 a pair. Acoustic Response
>>>> is a pro brand name and these are some of the best monitors
>>>> available....
>>Yeah, they tried to get me as I was leaving my bank's parking lot in
>>Fort Collins, Co. Must have thought I had just gotten money or
>>something. White mini-van and got the same story as I nailed the gas,
>>shaking my head 'NO'. They appeared truly dissappointed that I didn't
>>even want to take a look. Sounds like a nation wide scam huh?
>>
>>Go figure...
>
>Interesting !!! they tried to get me with the same scam when I was
>leaving my bank in Flint, Mich. I felt at the time they were zeroing
>in on people coming from the bank as they suspected they would have
>just cashed a check or withdrawn some money.
>
>Gary ...
This scam possibly explains the large number I recently saw at an
auction house in Auckland, New Zealand. They were labelled 'Linear
Phase' Monitors, rated at 300 w (so the label on the back said.
Looked cheap and nasty - probably sounded that way too !
Howard J. Gladstone
This excellent single ended tube Integrated has upgraded tubes, volume
and balance
controls. It includes a truly fine MM phone section. With upgrades this
piece
originally cost $3000. I have the original box and need a quick sale.
$1300 shipped to your door
Anthony Chamberlist
I usually don't participate in threads, but this was too good to pass up!
Here in Vancouver BC Canada, we have had this nonsense for close to 15
years! Who knows, maybe it started here....
I have been in pro and consumer audio retail for over 2 decades. While
this type of marketing is particularly obnoxious, legitimate retailers are
still participating in this by offering "package" speakers from well known
electronics manufacturers. These speakers, branded by Pioneer, Kenwood,
JVC, et al, are of the same calibre as white van specials, yet are implied
as being good products by the brand name association. This type of scam is
far more insidious than creeps in parking lots. These are being sold in
Circuit City, The Good Guys, etc, and customers are being told that "These
are genuine (Nippon name here) speakers"....these manufacturers didn't
build these; for all you know, they commissioned the same factory that
built the "white van specials" to build for them.
00sa...@bsuvc.bsu.edu
I was talking about my new stereo system with some co-workers and one
guy mentioned what a deal he got on these speakers. He mentioned that
they were being sold out of a white van. I tried to explain to him
that he got scammed, but he said he'd bring in the manual and catalog
where they were listed for $800. Yeah, It was the old Omni's. There
200W of music power sure rips it up.
Everybody else I work with still thinks he got a deal.
Jim Finger
To whom it may concern:
If you find these posts interesting, you'll REALLY like this one. A
couple of these punks pulled in front of me in a parking lot in
Houston. I was minding my own business, working on my van (under the
dash, so I didn't think that anyone could see me). My van was an old
'67 Chevy Cabover Van, with the engine in the middle of the seats.
Now, since the only people who I've ever seen drive a van like mine are
bikers and badasses, I would expect that these punks wouldn't screw with
me. But they did. Not only did they screw with me, I was polite and
told them "No, thank you..."
Well, their Ford Aerostar van had me locked into a parking spot, and
they began harassing me and insulting me. Now, I realize that whatever
they said did not give me a right to assault them, but I did get out of
the my van after a minute of this, and they began to drive away. As I
walked in the direction of their escape, they threw on the brakes short,
and both jumped out to get in my face.
I took the first punk down really quick, and after a flurry of about 6
punches, he was crying on the ground, slurring "you're going to jail,
man."
The other guy got back into the van, and didn't really want any of that
action.
As I was getting into my van to leave, this punk shuts my door on me as
I'm getting into my van. We went at it again, and a crowd gathered in
this Radio Shack parking lot. He finally had enough, and left the
scene, and the people from the strip center actually applauded. These
guys had been harassing them for a while.
As they drove away, they threw a pair of wire strippers of mine out the
window of their van. I guess they were going to steal them.
I spent the next 3 weeks worried about them calling the police on my
license plate, and reporting me for assault. They would have had a
pretty good case.
What I did was pretty stupid, but I did feel threatened and
outnumbered. I don't borrow trouble, and these guys almost look for an
old van like mine.
Two months later, I'm at a Walmart in Beaumont, Texas, in my same old
van, and another Ford Aerostar pulls up and locks me into my spot while
I'm putting my purchases away. They canvas me again for some speakers,
and I politely say no, thanks, I don't need any. I have some.
They start harassing me about my van, saying, "Well, then climb into
your refrigerator (referring to my old fashioned white van) and drive
away."
This time, I just waited until they were done harassing me, and I left
without incident.
These guys will try about anything for a confrontation. I don't know
what their training handbook is teaching them, but at some point,
someone is going to get shot over this stuff.
Just be polite, don't try to engage these guys because you don't know
what they're carrying, and keep your head about you.
They are probably within the law, but walking the edge in some areas.
It's legal to sell junk like this. May the buyer beware. You may think
that you have rights in these circumstances when you fall for a scam
like this, but remember, you have only as many rights as you can afford
to pay for, and these groups are rarely in the same place last week as
they were this week.
If you try to get satisfaction, you could be milking a dead bull.
Matthew Moody
> >discount, even if they don't know what they are buying. I like getting
> >bargins too, but I'm not gullible enough to pay hundreds of dollars for
> >some unknown brand of speakers of of the back of a truck (let alone off
> >of the internet)
>
> can see how someone who didn't know better would think they were
> getting a great deal. They claimed to work as pro installers and had
> "extra" speakers delivered for a job and had to get rid of them before
> showing up for the install. After looking at the boxes and listening
> to the "experts" it was an obvious hoax.
>
> DPL
Yeah, I had a friend who was approached by a "recently divorced" woman
who had these speakers she was about to pawn. Asked him if he wanted
them first since they were her X-husbands and she did not need them.
When I saw him, he said "Hey, look, I got this set of ARs for only
Xhundreds of dollars!" Upon examination, I told him that he was
thinking of Acoustic Research and that these were Acoustic Response. I
proceeded to pull the speakers apart and showed him how good they really
were (22ga max speaker
wire, 6db xovers, cheap sealed backed tweeter and mid with a 12" woofer
using around a 10oz magnet). He was not very happy....I do believe
there was a tv investigation of the manufacturer of these speakers on
the news talking about what a rip-off they were. The company claimed
that once the speakers left the warehouse, it was not their problem.
They did show the factory and guess what? They were loading the boxes
into white vans...
--
______________________________________________________________
Matthew Moody
Larry Lessard
I know people that have paid $400 for them and others who paid $150.
The invoice usually says $1200. They tried to sell some to me in 1979
when I was going to Berklee School of Music in Boston. MY friend bought
a pair in 1980 for $400 but he actually likes them and doesn't know he
got ripped off. I got an E-mail last week from someone who was trying to
locate the company for parts for "Acoustic Design" monitors. He got
upset when I asked him if he bought them off the back of a truck. How do
these guys get away with a scam like this for so many years?
Howard J. Gladstone
This excellent single ended tube Integrated has upgraded tubes, volume
pre-amp out.
With upgrades, this piece originally cost $3000.
I have the original box and need a quick sale.
$1300 shipped to your door
Thanks for reading this post
HG
christopher Hugan
From: "Christopher Hugan" <Fat...@Nashville.com>
Subject: Re: WHITE VAN ALERT
Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace
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Hi,
Ditto from Music Row in Nashville last year...read about it in the paper
here as well.
--
Chris Hugan
Fatback Recording and Music Production
http://www.fatback.com/
Fat...@Nashville.com
jerome engelberts <bee...@beezerk.com> wrote in article
<beezerk-1307...@beezerk.vip.best.com>...
> In article <33c8024d...@news.primenet.com>, xhot...@primenet.com
> (Richard Benigne) wrote:
>
> ...You're probably not going to believe me, but about 4 years ago in
> Amsterdam (The Netherlands) the very same scam (maybe even with the same
> brand name speakers) was going on. Either they (the people behind the
> bad-speakers-but-novel-franchising-scheme) find enough gullible victims,
> or there's this ONE white van with two enormously dim guys driving ALL
> OVER THE WORLD trying to unload 4 speakers. Somehow it tickels my sense
of
> humor to tink it's the latter.
>
> just my two cents,
> Jerome
>
> --
> "You can't hold no groove if you ain't got no pocket" (Victor Wooten)
>
Vandit Kalia
00sa...@bsuvc.bsu.edu wrote:
: I was talking about my new stereo system with some co-workers and one
: guy mentioned what a deal he got on these speakers. He mentioned that
: they were being sold out of a white van. I tried to explain to him
: that he got scammed, but he said he'd bring in the manual and catalog
: where they were listed for $800. Yeah, It was the old Omni's. There
: 200W of music power sure rips it up.
: Everybody else I work with still thinks he got a deal.
What about the friend who spent a lot of money (~$2000) on all-Sony
electronics and Inifinty speakers with a bass loud enough to knock
your fillings out and precious little else?
Do you dare say that it sounds like crap or do you duly admit that
the 12 DSP modes and 150Wpc make it far superior to your pathetic,
remote-less, tuner-less 30Wpc system?
:)
Steve Sonne
Saw the same guys up in Toronto 5 years back. They used to hang out in
the mall parking lot, right near the bank. ( of course )
The story would be even more interesting if it were the SAME two guys
that everyone's been talking about and they just really get around a
lot... ; )
Steve
Bill Ewing
> > This has been going on for at least 2 years in the UK....so many people
> > have been fooled by the scam.
> >
> > The first instance that I heard about was my cousin fooled by the
> > delivery note line. He asked me to check out these speakers for him....I
> > wouldn't have paid 10%.
> >
> > displaying them as stock, having been ripped off.
>
> They got VERY angry when I refused to buy them.
Just Checking in from Arlington, VA (same, same SAME!)
Will Buttram
New Haven, CT too...
They were yelling out of a blue van at some Yale undergrads, "Hey,
man, need new speakers for the frat house?"
-Will
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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2341
About 2 years ago (white van) and again in March, I was approched by 2
guys in a "brown" mini van, offering to sell me these 300 watt, liquid
cooled, etc. etc., speakers (The brand name is "Samurai" here).
After my first encounter with them, I was at a party, and the guy was
showing off his new speakers, he was telling us how he only paid $300
for them, I told him that they wern't worth 100, of course he didn't
beleive me until later that night when they blew, He was only pushing 80
watts a channel.
So in March, when I had the fortunate oportunity to see these bozos
again, (I'm pretty sure it was the same two guys), I decided to fuck
them up. They asked me if I wanted to buy, I asked, "how much?", they
said,"$400 a pair", I said, "sounds good,how many you got?" They
said,"three pair", I asked if I could try them out, They were hesitant,
but finally caved in, I asked them to bring the van over to my car.
(I could tell, that, {by the looks on their faces}, they were wondering
how I was going to test them out).
(My car stereo is very powerful, I run, 2 Hiphonics, "Hercules" 600 watt
into 4 ohm, 1 Hiphonics "Pegasus" 100 x 4 into 4 ohm, and 1 "Aphrodite"
50x4 into 4 ohm)
I proceded to unhook my rear deck speakers, (there are 4) from the
Pegasus amp and connect it to 4 (yes 4) of their speakers, (it said on
the back sticker "Nominal Impedance 4-8 ohms) and cranked it (Megadeth,
Peace Sells) they needless to say, were pissed off when I blew those
speakers out within' the first 30? seconds, I told them "they are not
very good, and I don't think I'm interested", (In case your wondering,
My brother was with me and NOBODY fucks with him, if I had been by
myself, I would never have done it).
Score one for the good guys :-)
Richard White
Will Buttram wrote:
>
> New Haven, CT too...
>
> They were yelling out of a blue van at some Yale undergrads, "Hey,
> man, need new speakers for the frat house?"
>
> -Will
so? how do they sound?
--
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Gil Griffith
I am wondering, is there more to the story?
Why are the vans always white? What is the significance of this?
Who is behind the scam - who is manufacturing the speakers?
Has anyone actually seen the so-called ads, and are they reproducable?
There must be more info available.
Robert Morein
In answer to your question, "Why are the vans always white? What is the
significance of this?"
This is because the Men In Black are the good guys.
Mark Garvin
In <5qgfi8$k...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> Richard White <r-white@{nospam}ix.netcom.com> writes:
>Sounds like this scam is not limited to speakers. A guy dressed in a
>maintenance company t-shirt was in our office (midtown Manhattan) the
>other day, and claimed to have been working on another floor, where they
>were doing interior decoration installation ... posters, "Monets,
>Dalis, real nice stuff ...." and they had a couple of them left over,
>would I be interested?
Uh-oh! I ordered 10 pounds of Monets and 15 pounds of Van Goghs from
that guy! Maybe I shouldn't have done that.
MG
JRohio
A couple of years ago, I was setting up for a convention, and a guy came
by with a bunch of luggage on a cart, he said they were samples from a
previous trade show that he could now sell at a deep discount for cash. A
couple of our guys looked at them, and they were not impressed. I wonder
if that was a similar scam.
GOnzO
Your seeing a free market in reaction, Vandit. By the way, how long
have you been a route supervisor for Linear Phase shit boxes?
GOnzO
Fred Arbuckle
Wouldn't it be funny if we found out that aliens from another planet had
ships that looked just like white vans?
marc van de geer <marc...@mail.worldonline.nl> wrote in article
<33CEFC...@mail.worldonline.nl>...
> A few months ago a white van with lots of Omni's was spotted in Den
> Haag, (Home of the North Sea Jazz Festival BTW) The Netherlands. One
> dutch and one british guy were the (un)happy sellers.
> Marc
>
Robert
> I saw these guys at clicks pool hall in austin, they got real upset when
i
> told the attracted crowd they were a bunch of crap :)
***Count San Antonio, TX into that also****
Keith
On Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:25:02 -0400, Bill Ewing <bew...@imxtech.com>
wrote:
Checking in from Farmington Hills, Michigan.
I was approached by two guys in a white van while waiting to pick up
my delicious, nutritious Taco Bell carry out in the drive-through
line. They pulled up next to me and yelled at me until I rolled down
my window, and asked me if I wanted to buy some "hot" speakers. I told
them I wasn't interested in their garbage, and their reply to me was
"Well, how about if we just kick in the side panels of your nice
Corvette then?". As soon as a pulled back my suit coat to show them
that I was carrying my .45 semi-auto (I have a CCW permit), they
proceeded to take off and drive into the strip mall just south of the
Taco Bell. I drove in there, and watched as they tried to hustle some
other loser.
I was tempted to call the police, but just decided to go back to my
office.
Keith Richmond
Gil Griffith wrote:
>
> I am wondering, is there more to the story?
evidently they lease a fleet of vans. in the case of the Omni Audio
operation in the Washington, DC area, all the vans were white with a
real "Omni Audio" logo on the side that included an 800 number and their
Forestville, MD address. the 'sellers' wore white polo shirts with the
Omni logo in it too.
> Who is behind the scam - who is manufacturing the speakers?
Well, I believe they are from some asian manufacturer. The speakers are
tagged with an Omni Audio tag and some reference to "Republic
Distributors". A friend of mine in the audio business told me that the
speaker drivers are not listed in any parts books in the USA so they are
definitely not easily repaired here in the USA.
> Has anyone actually seen the so-called ads, and are they reproducable?
This is what pisses me off. The one (!) ad that Omni Audio put out is in
the December 1995 edition of STEREOPHILE magazine! I guess stereophile
doesn't care who advertises because Omni Audio is definitely a scam.
The few times i've played along with the omni sales dudes, the first
thing they show me is the sterephile ad with the ridiculously inflated
price telling me what a great deal they will cut me on the 'overstocks'
or 'undeliverables'.
> There must be more info available.
I have had a hard time getting much info from Omni Audio in Forestville,
as well as off the internet. My dad got 'persuaded' into buying a pair
of these back in Dec '95 (luckily for only $200 for the pair). I can
happily say that at least they are still working today. He uses them in
my parent's home theatre system so they get daily use.
As for how they sound, well they sound like cheap speakers. I'd put them
along the lines of the big KLH speakers that i see at the wharehouse
store near me. I've taken the Omni speaker apart and the construction is
about the same as the pair of big Sansui speakers I bought for $120/pr
back in the 80's (at a real audio chain).
Here in the DC area about 6 months ago, one of the local news programs
did a hidden camera expose on the Forestville Omni Audio. they basically
exposed them as the scam they are. since then i have seen very few Omni
vans driving around the area (as compared to the 1 or more i would see a
day for a while!)
As you can see, i'm rather anti-Omni. I would never tell my dad he was
foolish for buying the things because he is happy enough with the way
they sound and he feels he got his money's worth. at least he didn't pay
$800 for the pair like a guy i met in the internet...
hope i've helped,
Keith Richmond
gravi...@tidalwave.net
Aaron
In article <33CEFC...@loa.moc>, a...@loa.moc says...
>
>Your seeing a free market in reaction, Vandit. By the way, how long
>have you been a route supervisor for Linear Phase
Time changes little... back in 1968 they were selling stollen Rolex
watches for $100. each, but they were junk upon close inspection.
Insted of a white van, they drove a new caddy and usually wore
security uniforms. Some of the damm fakes were actually good enough
to fool anyone not knowing a lot about rolexes
Craig Houser Rogers
In article <33cdc23b...@news.sprynet.com>, sso...@sprynet.com says...
>
>...The story would be even more interesting if it were the SAME two guys
>that everyone's been talking about and they just really get around a
>lot... ; )
>
My money's on those two enterprising ferengi, Quark and his little brother.
I bet they got stuck with a couple thousand pairs from Cyrano Jones, the
same guy that brought us the "tribble".
Pierre Cazenave
Four years ago (1993), as I was walking along the Boulevard Edgard
Quinet, Paris, I was approached by two guys in a white van: they had
Linear Phase monitors (not so bad?) for sale. I don't remember their
first asked price but they downed it at $300...
The story they told was of an extra pair they got at the delivery... I
didn't buy and forgot the van, the guys and the speakers until last year
when a friend of mine told me that he just met two guys in a van and that
they offered him speakers at discount price (this was Boulevard de
Sebastopol, Paris). Their story was the same as they told me.
Now, I'm still more surprised, learning that the van was spotted in the
USA, Netherlands and who-knows-where...
I suggest two interpretations of this modern collective vision:
1- these two guys in their van have been on an international tour for
four years trying to sell their speakers which nobody wants;
2- this is a worldwide recurrent rip-off meta-industry just like the
tire-made sandals which has been a mirage business for more than thirty
years.
Pierre Cazenave, Paris
Jay Rose
If you look at a map of reported incidents, the pattern is obvious.
The white vans breed in Roswell, NM, and drive themselves around the world
from there.
cit...@super.zippo.com
Add me to the dumbass list. The very same story. Caught me on a Friday outside
my bank. 'Liquid Cooled Speakers' yadah yadah,,,,,, I needed to be liquid
cooled when I realized what a chump I was. Taught me an expensive lesson.
150 bucks poof!
In article <33CBC5...@phoenix.com>, Terry Kirch <terry...@phoenix.com>
wrote:
>I can't believe that this scam is still going on. I got taken in 1987 in
>a parking lot
>in Costa Mesa, CA. The parking lot was next to a bank and I just had
>deposited my paycheck
>on a Friday afternoon. These two guys came on with this line about
>installing these speakers
>in some club around town. The scammers said thier boss had invoiced out
>too many for the job and they were
>free to get what they could for the extra sets. They kept coming on
>about how good these speakers were,
>liquid cooled and everthing. Well I got suckered for $250. I still don't
>know how I could have let it happen.
>I had a feeling it was a shakey deal, but the maybe because speakers
>were a good size and I had the money in hand
>I got taken. When I got the speakers home and took a closer look they
>were crap. I went back to look for these guys
>but they were gone. Perhaps it's best cause I was so angry I don't know
>what would have happened, but I'm sure the damage
>either to me or them would have been more than $250.
>I did some more investigating on the scam and found that it was
>basically legal. The cops said that when they encountered
>these jerks all they could do was ask them to move on. I guess they're
>still movin' on today....
>
Spimby
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"Jose G. Gardea" <jga...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:
> Hey were they in a green explorer in Austin? Was ia red ead guy? If it
> was they were in San Antonio two days ago and i told them oh yeah you
> only got four? And they said yes. I said man I have a business and would
> like to buy at least 8 so they told me to wait for them and they would go
> and get them in 30 minutes. Heheheh about time I get to scam a scammer.
> It feels good you guys should try it.
>
> On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Austin Film Festival wrote:
This is so funny! For weeks I skipped this thread because I thought it was
some type of spam. Then today I thought I'd take a look since it was
going on so long. Anyway...
About 2 weeks ago... I was driving back from lunch....I was stopped at
an intersection and these guy's drove up in a van (I don't remember
what color it was) and started yelling at me ( I had my stereo on...).
I thought they wanted to get directions ....but they yelled something
back to me like " Hey, we got some really good speakers that were
looking to sell.....We'll sell 'em to you for $100." I looked at them
and thought...what a bunch of morons.....and said ..."no thanks". They
then started yelling the same thing to other drivers. I thought
this was a bizarre incident...but apparently it's not.
Weird....they're definitely in Austin.....
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David Bock
Rob Mounsey wrote:
>
> I've seen these guys cruising around NYC too...
>
> Flying Monkey Inc., NYC
> www.flyingmonkey.comThose guys were seen doing the same thing in San Fransisco TEN YEARS
AGO!
DONR...@worldnet.att.net
ago. I just offered to sell them some Amway instead!
Peter Jury
In article <jcrose-1907...@rose.tiac.net>, Jay Rose
<jcr...@dplay.com> writes
>If you look at a map of reported incidents, the pattern is obvious.
>The white vans breed in Roswell, NM, and drive themselves around the world
>from there.
If it was reported as seen in Paris, France was it a 'van ordinaire'?
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Harris
Saw them in Seattle about a year ago. Same liquid cooled $1200 speakers
for quite a discount......
David Bock <sdlx...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
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Vandit Kalia
GOnzO (a...@loa.moc) wrote:
: Your seeing a free market in reaction, Vandit. By the way, how long
: have you been a route supervisor for Linear Phase shit boxes?
Huh?
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George Warner wrote:
>
> Eric Blackmer wrote:
> >
> > They should be called the PT Barnum speakers. I have seen this scam
> > around for atleast 15 years in the Boston area. I have even seen people
> > recently proudly showing them off as the great deal they got off the
> > back of a truck. Same line...they were put on the truck by accident...
> > are they still liquid cooled? Won't people ever learn that if a deal
> > looks too good to be real then it probably is!
> > chuckle,
> > Eric Blackmer
> > http://www.earthwks.com
>
> I just saw the scam in Philadelphia. I've seen it several times now;
> I just like to hear their bogus stories.
>
> Typically, they say that they were making a delivery to a
> Hard Rock Cafe and the shippers loaded their van with two pairs instead
> of just two speakers (or something like that). They then show some
> bogus receipt that claims to show that they were supposed to deliver
> two speakers to a Hard Rock Cafe.
>
> GeorgeIts funny after tracing it back this guy posted it on the Deja News
Board hard to trace. Suprise
Doug
George Warner
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These same guys are active in Virginia Beach VA area.
I had a neighbor a few years ago paid with a bad
check and they never came back after him. I talked with
the local PD and they said it has been checked out and legal,
although different sales technique.
Mike
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<BR>> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.97071...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>,
<BR>> "Jose G. Gardea" <jga...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> > Hey were they in a green explorer in Austin? Was ia red ead guy?
If it
<BR>> > was they were in San Antonio two days ago and i told them oh yeah
you
<BR>> > only got four? And they said yes. I said man I have a business
and would
<BR>> > like to buy at least 8 so they told me to wait for them and they
would go
<BR>> > and get them in 30 minutes. Heheheh about time I get to scam a
scammer.
<BR>> > It feels good you guys should try it.
<BR>> >
<BR>> > On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Austin Film Festival wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> This is so funny! For weeks I skipped this thread because I thought
it was
<BR>> some type of spam. Then today I thought I'd take a look since
it was
<BR>> going on so long. Anyway...
<BR>>
<BR>> About 2 weeks ago... I was driving back from lunch....I was stopped
at
<BR>> an intersection and these guy's drove up in a van (I don't remember
<BR>> what color it was) and started yelling at me ( I had my stereo on...).
<BR>>
<BR>> I thought they wanted to get directions ....but they yelled something
<BR>> back to me like " Hey, we got some really good speakers that were
<BR>> looking to sell.....We'll sell 'em to you for $100." I looked
at them
<BR>> and thought...what a bunch of morons.....and said ..."no thanks".
They
<BR>> then started yelling the same thing to other drivers.
I thought
<BR>> this was a bizarre incident...but apparently it's not.
<BR>>
<BR>> Weird....they're definitely in Austin.....
<BR>>
<BR>> Spimby <spi...@usa.net>
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rory
Pierre Cazenave <k...@imaginet.fr> wrote in article
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>
> Four years ago (1993), as I was walking along the Boulevard Edgard
> Quinet, Paris, I was approached by two guys in a white van: they had
> Linear Phase monitors (not so bad?) for sale. I don't remember their
> first asked price but they downed it at $300...
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The European arm of this scam is run out of southern
France by the Knight Templar. It is a very meagre way
for them to raise funds, in my opinion.
Donald Put
In article <33CD13...@proaudiodesign.com>,
Larry Lessard <la...@proaudiodesign.com> wrote:
>upset when I asked him if he bought them off the back of a truck. How do
>these guys get away with a scam like this for so many years?
In the immortal words of P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every
minute"; however, that was back in his day. Today, I'd say there's
one born every 15 seconds or so.
don
da...@pe.net
dru...@nospam.bigfoot.com
FS: Linear Phase shitboxes. Guaranteed to sound like crap, and
they're made out of 100% particleboard/cardboard mix. They're liquid
cooled with whatever was in that leftover beer can I had in my car.. A
steal for only $2200 for the pair! Retail is $8500, but my boss says
that he ordered way too many, and that I could keep whatever profit I
got off of them.
Email me, or look for me in an old, white van.
Thanks!
Heh. I love this thread.
Nathan Currie
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Philadelphia '87. Let's see how far back it goes. They were trying
to convince me that their distributer gave them too many speakers.
they showed me an invoice. They said they were doing night club
installations. They were very excited. The speakers were named
Accustic Research (a real name) but they were fakes. For added
realism, they had a coulpe of marantz amplifer boxes in the van too.
On 15 Jul 1997 22:16:14 GMT, "Zudio" <zu...@mindless.com> wrote:
>I guess they're back at it again. They were in Arlington, TX (DFW) back in
>'90.
>
>mu...@bellsouth.net wrote in article
><5qfl7p$dqv$1...@news.bna.bellsouth.net>...
>> Rob Mounsey <mou...@flyingmonkey.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I've seen these guys cruising around NYC too...
>>
>> Nashville,Tennessee as well....
>>
>>
Rolavine
Wow, I must look like an idiot, they have hit on me three times in the
last three years in the Portland Oregon area. The first tow times they
told me they had left over speakers from an installation at a non existant
bar, and that they just wanted to let them go. I think it was a white
Aerostar, but this year it was a white astro van. They yelled out the
window at me this time, but the first two were in parking lots. I see
their speakers advertised in the local paper, so maybe one is born every
minute!
Jeff
Might as well make the joke on them. Last time they came to the
shopping mall near us, I told them I worked just down the road and to
follow me.
They came down to work in the BIG WHITE VAN, I think they told my they
were Acoustic Research speakers. They had (supposedly) been installing
them in a local bar and they received too many speakers. They could
sell them cheap.
I told them I had people inside who would buy them, we went in while 1
or 2 stayed outside and we called the cops on them.
The cops never did ask for a statement, I always wondered what happened
to them.
Jeff
Dean Wyant
Well, even though this thread is mostly "me too's" I like it.
There has been mention of cops making them give aaway the speakers
because they claimed they were stolen. And, getting in some well
deserved punches.
My question is how else do we get revenge for those poor suckers who
fell for the polished pitch? Everyone doesn't have powerfull car
amplifiers to blow these babies during "testing" so maybe we should come
up with other ideas on how to screw these guys up. The follow me to work
and wait while I call the cops is not something everbody is willing to
do, but it is a start.
How about a top ten ways to screw up their day?
I don't have any ideas that might fall in the top ten, but I'm willing
to think about it. Lets see, we could act real interested in paying
whatever they ask or half the invoice price and then tell them we are
late for getting back to work but they can meet us at 5:30 by some out
of the way automatic teller that doesn't get much use at 5:30. This way
they may deal with traffic and tie up their time waiting where there are
no customers. No, they may not go for it....
What if....
Wild goose chase:
How about if you tell them you don't have any time, and you don't have
the money (on you), but you know someone who will give them the money
for you. If you can, you could fake a cellular call or call a croney and
then give them some directions to anywhere that will take up their time.
Or, like someone else said... simply get them to accept a check and then
cancel it.
How about some more ideas?
Dean Wyant
fis...@lake.net wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:44:27 -0700, Little Wonder
> <dea...@ocean.com.au> wrote:
> >Melbourne, but a guy who was in my class at S.A.E. a few years back
> >told me how two guys in a white van pulled up at the lights and
> >asked him if he wanted to buy a set of speakers. Strange.
dr...@pacbell.net
I currently use a set of Lakewest monitors that I purchased from a white
van for $500. I am very happy with them. I also use Omni and Linear
Phase speakers to double check my mixes on. It doesn't get any better
than this!!!!
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These losers have made their way to Sacramento. I was asked only a few
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Don't fall for that crap...
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Harris <hthu...@seanet.com> wrote in article
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> Saw them in Seattle about a year ago. Same liquid cooled $1200 speakers
> for quite a discount......
>
> David Bock <sdlx...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
> <33D15A...@pacbell.net>...
> > Rob Mounsey wrote:
> > >
> > > I've seen these guys cruising around NYC too...
> > >