Martin Logan: Aerius I vs SL3?
GUCCIPHILE
go for either Aerius I or SL3 driven by a 75W tube amp.
My listening room is around 12.5 x 12.5 with some irregular
areas outside of the square. I currently use Maggie 1.5 and
have to listen to them close to nearfield with 5ft from back wall.
Which would be a better choice for my application : Aerius or SL3?
Is SL3 too big even though I think it sounds significantly better at
demo?
Marc Legare
I don't want to dicourage you but with a square room, you'll have
endless problems with your speakers especially with dipole speakers.
With a square room, there's standingwaves. The sound in this kind of
room is often bright, lifeless.
Marc Légaré
GUCCIPHILE
>
>I don't want to dicourage you but with a square room, you'll have
>endless problems with your speakers especially with dipole speakers.
>With a square room, there's standingwaves. The sound in this kind of
>room is often bright, lifeless.
>
FYI, my room is fully carpeted with standing Deluxe
Room Tunes to treat those problem areas. My current pair of Maggies 1.5 sounds
great. But I'm always looking for more...
Peter W. Wright
A note on the Martin Logans: I have a pair of Aerius (Aerii?) in a carpeted
room. One of the best things we have done is to put them up on paving
stones, 16 in. square and less than a dollar each at Lowes. This has been
very effective. Previously we tried Walker cones, which were very nice but
imparted a brittleness to the high end. These are great speakers, BTW. We
auditioned a Classé pre-amp and CD player last weekend and were stunned at
the sound. FWIW, we run a Velodyne FSR-15 with them.
Peter
Eric Chan
Finally you decided to go for ML.
I was choosing between the Aerius (not i) and the SL3 and the
bass of the Aerius was just too "thin". The Aerius i was better.
And the new Scenario is even better, comparing to Aerius i.
Is the Scenario supposed to replace Aerius i?
But among the 3, SL3 is just better overall, especially sound
stage and imaging. I had the SL3 in a smaller room (11 x14)
and I had no problem with it. It sounded better than the Aerius
in a small room in the dealer. (not exactly ab compare but...)
I would suggest to ask the dealer to put Aerius i, Scenario and
SL3 in the smallest room they have and ab(c) compare them.
Another note, SL3 comes with bi-wire and it's extra for the
Aerius i. That will close the gap a bit if price matters. Bi-wire
made a big difference. Also, you can adjust the bass by -3db
in the back of the SL3, useful if the SL3 booms in a small room.
Eric.
Spear
of playing around with positioning, I found a spot where they provide an absolutely
stunning soundstage and amazing clarity. See the Cardas site or Harley's book for
some math on location. I took the time to measure to 1/4" and it was better than
anything else I had tried. The only downside is a tad of excess low end.
Throwing the -5db bass switch takes a bit too much out. Before the RPG panels on
the back and side wall, the balance was a bit better, but the image was a bit fuzzy
(still better than my Spica's ever threw).
Jukka Vainio
Use an amplifier that can deliver lots of power in 2-4 ohm area and
it should be fast with transients too. NAD has some reasonably prized
amps that will do the job just fine.
Jukka Vainio
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Anastasios Kotsikonas
at some point -- one non-ML shop actually went as far as saying "Are they
still making the reQeusts?" -- draw your own conclusions about these
3 speakers.
-t
Tom Adams
Am currently driving a pair of ReQuests with 80W of triode tube power
connected to the 4ohm taps. After hearing the local ML dealer's various
setups using solid state equipment I wonder why anyone would drive these
with anything other than tube amps. Tubes or no tubes they still sound
good. My room is a little larger but the amps are not being driven hard at
all. ML does require time searching for the best room placement but when
you find it the sound can be most rewarding. IMHO
Tom
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Brian Kurtz
Labs--they'll kill the Logans.....
Laura
<leg...@globetrotter.net> wrote:
Its my understanding that all rooms, regardless of proportion, have
standing waves. The frequency of the standing wave is dependent on
the dimension in question. A square room will have more of a problem
because the frequency of two of the standing waves will reinforce
each other.
>Hi Gucciphile
>
>I don't want to dicourage you but with a square room, you'll have
>endless problems with your speakers especially with dipole speakers.
>With a square room, there's standingwaves. The sound in this kind of
>room is often bright, lifeless.
>
>Marc Légaré
Richard Eriksson
>
> I'm in the market for a pair of Martin Logan. I'm going to
> go for either Aerius I or SL3 driven by a 75W tube amp.
> My listening room is around 12.5 x 12.5 with some irregular
> areas outside of the square. I currently use Maggie 1.5 and
> have to listen to them close to nearfield with 5ft from back wall.
> Which would be a better choice for my application : Aerius or SL3?
> Is SL3 too big even though I think it sounds significantly better at
> demo?
Went through the same decision process earlier this winter.
Finally went for the SL3's and was delighted at the sound when
hooked up in a temporary arrangement in our dining room while we
built a new "home theater" and music listening room.
When the room was finally finished, I moved all the gear in and
was dismayed at the sound. Harsh and bright. We got help from an
audio consultant that recommended some drapes and acoustic panels.
What a difference! Completed system now consists of the SL3's,
B&K Component amp, Adcom 750 preamp and a set of Klipch surround/
center channel powered by an old Yamaha amp. Very satisfied.
Dick Eriksson
Andre Jean Quintal
|>
|> I'm in the market for a pair of Martin Logan. I'm going to
|> go for either Aerius I or SL3 driven by a 75W tube amp.
|> My listening room is around 12.5 x 12.5 with some irregular
|> areas outside of the square. I currently use Maggie 1.5 and
|> have to listen to them close to nearfield with 5ft from back wall.
|> Which would be a better choice for my application : Aerius or SL3?
--> It would seem many demanding music lovers prefer
the SL3. Your electronics are adequate. Your room is rather
small but should prove adequate to bring you the thrills
Martin-Logan can deliver. I'll add that I write this because
I would not be surprised you eventually gain access to a
much larger listening room (in cubic feet), then deriving even
more exiting sound quality, notably in the lower octaves,
while you will have enjoyed top quality sound in the interim.
--> Note that I have found, without really looking for that
as such, that Martin Logan SL3 are discounted via the Internet
and make the whole thing even more exiting.
--> You did not mention your source. With these speakers,
expect to rediscover your music collection in a really meaningful
way.
--> If you are looking for smaller excellent speakers,
both Rogers and Harbeth manufacture BBC LS5 grade monitors
at consumer prices and there's ATC, which MOST definitely
could get you enthralled. These are British well established
brands that many music lovers would become ecstatic over.
I mention these because I, too, have had a rather small
living room in the past but remained quite demanding at the
speaker end of my systems, and these could represent
a suitable alternative and real "value". These are discriminant
level monitors that are known for their musicality. [ Don't be
blinded at their smallish relative size versus price: the
performance and quality is there and they should appeal to
many extra-finnicky people, even many with much larger
listening rooms. Their price is well justified by the R&D and
outstanding product finish quality. These companies have
on-line websites. Another brand worth checking into
is Spendor. ]
--> If you ever are interested, try to find a place where
you could listen to the new Electro-Companiet integrated
with the Martin-Logan s: you're in for a revelation, even
if you are a tube-oriented audiophile . . . for the time being !
Darn lucky dog !
Andre Jean Quintal