What Is The Best Subwoofer For Tight Bass To 30hz?
Susan Cyran
I know that technically a speaker that delivers only to 30hz is not a
subwoofer. My problem is that I need a sub (smaller is good) to
augment the lower frequencies of my Apogee Slant 6s. I have a
Velodyne F-1000 and it's OK but flabby. I have listened to a Sunfire
briefly, and it is better but still not what I want. I am not a bass
freak, I listen to music at moderate sound levels and can't hear much
below 30hz anyway. So any suggestions for clean, tight bass to 30hz?
Thanks.
Tom Cyran
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In article <5q6p6i$k...@canyon.sr.hp.com>, Susan Cyran
<dh4...@goodnet.com> writes:
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NEAR makes, matched with a nice amp may give you the type of sound you
are looking for.
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Susan Cyran
I know that technically a speaker that delivers only to 30hz is not a
subwoofer. My problem is that I need a sub (smaller is good) to
augment the lower frequencies of my Apogee Slant 6s. I have a
Velodyne F-1000 and it's OK but flabby. I have listened to a Sunfire
briefly, and it is better but still not what I want. I am not a bass
freak, I listen to music at moderate sound levels and can't hear much
below 30hz anyway. So any suggestions for clean, tight bass to 30hz?
Thanks.
Tom Cyran
uh OH!
Might try an M&K MX-70b. Dual 8" drivers in push-pull configuration.
125 watts. Usually integrates well with panel speakers and small
monitors for whatever reason. Rated down to 27 Hz. It'll shake the
walls, and the control is nice. It's not an earthquake monger by any
means, but it just might fit your bill. If you think the F-1000 is
flabby, you're probably looking for a little more kick between 60 and
90 Hz. For some reason, the foundation series doesn't excel in that
area. They're real subwoofers, best used to fill in below 40 or 50
Hz, at least in my experience. Perhaps they're just too clean and
lack distortion, but although I think that has something to do with
it, I think there's something else. Perhaps the servo circuit
generates a response curve that, when combined with the room response,
creates an extremely exagerated subsonic response in comparison with
the upper mid-bass, which makes the upper frequencies sound mushy,
muddy, or whatever when trying to match levels at upper frequencies
where the subwoofer and other speaker meet. Just speculation.
colin
Ng
The Velodyne F1000 is flabby compared to the Sunfire? The F1000
has the tightest bass I've heard in its class. You can find subs that
go lower but lower and tighter? You might try the big brothers to the
F1000 from Velodyne. There isn't much musical material below 30Hz, by
the way. Are you sure you really want what you're looking for? :)
--
Ho Leung Ng
hol...@ucla.edu
Edward Gianni
On 12 Jul 1997, Susan Cyran wrote:
> I know that technically a speaker that delivers only to 30hz is not
> a subwoofer. My problem is that I need a sub (smaller is good) to
> augment the lower frequencies of my Apogee Slant 6s. I have a
> Velodyne F-1000 and it's OK but flabby. I have listened to a
> Sunfire briefly, and it is better but still not what I want. I am
> not a bass freak, I listen to music at moderate sound levels and
> can't hear much below 30hz anyway. So any suggestions for clean,
> tight bass to 30hz?
You might try the NHT SW2Pi powered sub. I have it and I find it very
musical and tight. It is rated down to 27Hz. It includes an external
amp with a built in line level high pass filter (choice of 50, 75, 100
Hz), so you can blend it to taste with your mains. You need at least a
receiver with pre-out/main-in to use the high pass filter, although, I
suspect if you have a tape/monitor loop, you could use that as
well. As far as size, the sub is a 16 inch cube. It lists for $800.
Ed Gianni
uh OH!
On 14 Jul 1997 10:20:52 -0400, Edward Gianni
<af...@FreeNet.Buffalo.EDU> wrote:
Stuff about the merits of the NHT sw2pi deleted.
> You need at least a
>receiver with pre-out/main-in to use the high pass filter, although, I
>suspect if you have a tape/monitor loop, you could use that as
>well. As far as size, the sub is a 16 inch cube. It lists for $800.
It will work, but you'll have to adjust the volumes of the subwoofer
and the mains seperately, which can turn into an unwelcome chore.
colin
Ken Kirkpatrick
Edward Gianni wrote:
> On 12 Jul 1997, Susan Cyran wrote:
>
> > I know that technically a speaker that delivers only to 30hz is not
> > a subwoofer. My problem is that I need a sub (smaller is good) to
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> You might try the NHT SW2Pi powered sub. I have it and I find it very
> musical and tight. It is rated down to 27Hz. It includes an external
> amp with a built in line level high pass filter (choice of 50, 75, 100
> Hz), so you can blend it to taste with your mains. You need at least a
> receiver with pre-out/main-in to use the high pass filter, although, I
> suspect if you have a tape/monitor loop, you could use that as
> well. As far as size, the sub is a 16 inch cube. It lists for $800.
>
> Ed Gianni
Ed, I tried several subs with my sonus fabre extremas including
Velodyne, Jmlabs, Paradyne, but only a REL sub had a seamless
transition with my main speakers. The bass is tight and deeply
extended. The bass is the best I have heard. I bought the StentorII,
but the less expensive models are supposed to be excellent also. Their
web site is www.rel.net Richard E Lord answers his email. Good Luck,
Ken
Edward Gianni
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, uh OH! wrote:
> On 14 Jul 1997 10:20:52 -0400, Edward Gianni
> <af...@FreeNet.Buffalo.EDU> wrote:
>
> Stuff about the merits of the NHT sw2pi deleted.
>
> > You need at least a
> >receiver with pre-out/main-in to use the high pass filter, although, I
> >suspect if you have a tape/monitor loop, you could use that as
> >well. As far as size, the sub is a 16 inch cube. It lists for $800.
>
> It will work, but you'll have to adjust the volumes of the subwoofer
> and the mains seperately, which can turn into an unwelcome chore.
>
> colin
>
Colin:
I assume you are talking about the tape/monitor loop hookup only. With
the pre-out/main-in on my receiver (HK AVR25II), the volume on the
mains and sub both go up and down when I adjust the knob on the
receiver only. I never tried it with the tape/monitor loop. I think I
will, just to see what happens.
Ed Gianni
Ed Devlin
Susan Cyran wrote:
> I know that technically a speaker that delivers only to 30hz is not a
> subwoofer. My problem is that I need a sub (smaller is good) to
> augment the lower frequencies of my Apogee Slant 6s. I have a
> Velodyne F-1000 and it's OK but flabby. I have listened to a Sunfire
> briefly, and it is better but still not what I want. I am not a bass
> freak, I listen to music at moderate sound levels and can't hear much
> below 30hz anyway. So any suggestions for clean, tight bass to 30hz?
I carry Velodyne subs as part of my part-time home theater
installation business and have been very impressed by the new F1800RII
sub. The thing is not cheap, but it is clearly the best sounding of
their subs. It offers a kick in the chest when it in called for and
does not intrude into the sound out of its bandwith. That being said,
I have never found a sub that is fast enough or tight enough to match
my DIY transmission line speakers.
As a result I only use my pair of subs for home theater stuff, never
music. I have tried lots of store-bought and trick DIY subs with trick
passive crossovers and lots of good active crossovers and have never
been happy with the blending of a satellite and sub unless they are
specifically designed for each other. That and I normally crossover
around 50 hz which you would think eliminate some of the blending
problems, it does some, but not enough.
Ed
uh OH!
>I assume you are talking about the tape/monitor loop hookup only. With
>the pre-out/main-in on my receiver (HK AVR25II), the volume on the
>mains and sub both go up and down when I adjust the knob on the
>receiver only. I never tried it with the tape/monitor loop. I think I
>will, just to see what happens.
Yes. If it's a real pre-out, then the output is relative to the
volume control setting, which is sent to the sub, and either sent back
from the filter, or Y'ed off back into the main in in the same
relative proportion. In the tape monitor loop, the output is fixed,
and will remain constant regardless of the volume control. Otherwise,
your recordings would change level every time you had to turn the
volume up or down to hear somebody else talking, or drown them out.
colin
mg...@earthlink.net
> I know that technically a speaker that delivers only to 30hz is not a
> subwoofer. My problem is that I need a sub (smaller is good) to
> augment the lower frequencies of my Apogee Slant 6s. I have a
> Velodyne F-1000 and it's OK but flabby. I have listened to a Sunfire
> briefly, and it is better but still not what I want. I am not a bass
> freak, I listen to music at moderate sound levels and can't hear much
> below 30hz anyway. So any suggestions for clean, tight bass to 30hz?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom Cyran
Unequivocally, the Bag End ELF. I prefer the 18, (I have used 4 to
great satisfaction), but if you only listen at moderate levels, a pair
of the 2x10's would work fine. They'll get you comfortably to 8 Hz. No
built in amp though. Reviewed in TAS a couple years back.
Jay1Bala
I had Velodyne F1200R... may not be the best, but did a good job in
adding deep bass... I needed more dynamics, clarity, and better
instrument definition.... that I bought a pair of VMPS 'Larger" sub. I
am very satisfied with it. I have heard the F1800 is good too. But I
have no personal experiences. Has any one tried these VMPS??
Jay. My Stereo: EAR 859 SEi tube amp, Lowther PM6A speaker, Kimber
Black Pearl silver strand cables, 2 VMPS Larger subwoofers, Townshend
Elite Rock turntable and a Rega RB300 arm. A Quote: A good life may
be long enough, but a long life may not be good enough.
veed...@webtv.net
mirage(api) makes a bps400 that easily plays down to 30.it has a 400
watt high current amp with 2 12'' drivers. ive heard it at bryn mawr
stereo and it sounded very tight.retails at 1300$
Avalonav
The higher end BPSS210 (I also have the BPS400) will not play as loud
but it will play tigher and cleaner. It is their flagship sub. If
you have the $1800 go listen to it. The BPS400 was designed with HT
and music in mind, where the goal of the BPSS210 was the best music
reproduction pure and simple, hence the price difference in the 2
subs. Don't get me wrong, I use the BPS400 in combo music and HT
systems all the time and it is a great heart pounding sub and I love
it. For pure accuracy, and sacrificing alittle output, the BPSS210 is
the ticket.
Enjoy! Avalon Audio Video b...@avalonav.com Medford,NJ. By appt.
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