Bryston vs Adcom?
MarkZimmerman
Adcom 5802. I believe both are rated at 300 w/channel.
Best,
Mark Allen Zimmerman * Chicago
Uptown Audio
- Bill
www.uptownaudio.com
Roanoke VA
(540) 343-1250
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Jason Kau
> Not even in the same league. Get the Bryston.
Why? They're both very good amplifiers that are sonically transparent to
my ears. The Bryston has a better warranty but it also costs more. The
Adcom GFA-5802 is designed by Nelson Pass and is quite a different beast
from other Adcoms.
--
Jason Kau
http://www.cnd.gatech.edu/~jkau
Beppo@Work
it, but takes also a pretty transparent setup to know all its advantages and
abilities. As when compared to Adcom, IMHO, Adcom is relatively inferior in
this comparison in many aspects (soundstage, for starters, etc...)
Respekt,
J.
Jeff
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Still not in the same league. The 5802 is better than other Adcom's but
still falls sonically short of the Bryston. And the Bryston has better parts
quality, better build, and much better warranty. It's a no-brainer.......get
the Bryston!
mrc...@telocity.com
Both are good amps with similar overall power output and
specifications. The Bryston has slightly lower distortion, the Adcom
has slightly greater dynamic headroom, but the differences between
them are near or below audible thresholds. IMO, they're both in the
same league sonically -- though the Adcom might not be expensive
enough to be popular with audiophiles.
There is always the Adcom 5800 to consider too. It was the precursor
to the 5802. The two amps are very similar. While the 5802 is slightly
more powerful (rated at 300 vs. 250 into 8 ohms), some say the 5800
has slightly better sound.
Overall you can't go wrong with any of these amps, and I think even
those with "golden ears" would find it difficult to tell the
differences between any of them in a DBT. I'd say get whichever one
floats your boat and don't look back.
ludovic mirabel
I had Adcom for my woofers only. I replaced it with the 4B Bryston
because the bass was incomparably cleaner- less boomy. No DBT was needed.
Nor golden ears.
Listen for yourself Mr. Zimmerman and take no notice of what you read-
this includes my convictions as well as those of anyone else.
Ludovic Mirabel
DTS Audio
Besides having much tighter woofer control, nearly bullet proof design
and better build quality - There's Bryston's 20 year warranty.
Dan Santoni
DTS Audio
Hamilton, ON
Canada
MarkZimmerman
>Besides having much tighter woofer control, nearly bullet proof design
>and better build quality - There's Bryston's 20 year warranty.
>
I'll take into consider the "woofer control" issue. But, to be honest, I got
my Adcom GFA 555 (200 W/channel amp) in 1988 and it has worked flawlessly since
then. However, I am wondering how much better a 300w/channel from Adcom sound
against the Bryston 4B-SST
mrc...@telocity.com
I've auditioned the 555 and the 5800 side by side. The 555 was a
solid, good sounding amp but I found the 5800 to be audibly superior.
Greater detail, less grain, more grip & control in the bass, and
smoother more natural mids and highs. The differences were generally
audible in most of the music we listened to but were really
highlighted by solo piano and voice.
DTS Audio
truly better than the other. I'm not knocking the Adcom, I think they
make terrific products. But I think the Bryston is a little more
refined in it's sound quality, very smooth amplifier. The Bryston may
be better into difficult loads as well as low impedance loads although
I haven't tested that.
Really you can't go wrong with either though.
On 16 Dec 2002 23:57:40 GMT, markzi...@aol.com (MarkZimmerman)
wrote:
Dan Santoni
Norman M. Schwartz
As well intended is the advice you have been offered happens to be,
unfortunately there is no way of answering these questions without the help
of a friendly dealer who would allow *you* to audition these amps in *your*
current system. Even your preference could change if your system changes. (I
had a 555 which actually ignited while playing the cannons in the original
Telarc 1812 CD. Adcom did repair it free of charge.)
norman...@attbi.com
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> > >Go with the Bryston
> > >Besides having much tighter woofer control, nearly bullet proof design
> > >and better build quality - There's Bryston's 20 year warranty.
As I mentioned once before--and I believe it was in this group--I only know
3 people who own Bryston amps, and all 3 of them have had to take advantage
of the famed 20 year warranty.
Make of that what you will.
Norm Strong
Craig Ellsworth
warranty service. That coupled with the fact that it is
quite bright on his magnaplaners. Don't listen to owners
of Brystons who want to flaunt their prized possession. It's
your hard earned money. If you can hear them side by side
and don't hear a difference, go with the cheaper model.
If Brystons are truly made that well, the 20 year warranty
would be moot. So unless you want to impress people here,
go with your wallet. My Parasounds have been on for 8 years
solid. No hiccups and 3 years out of warranty.
Norman M. Schwartz
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Well now you have read about a person who has two 7B-ST's and has not needed
to use his warranty.
Norman M. Schwartz
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> I know of one who has had his Bryston 4B in 2 times for
> warranty service. That coupled with the fact that it is
> quite bright on his magnaplaners. Don't listen to owners
> of Brystons who want to flaunt their prized possession. It's
> your hard earned money. If you can hear them side by side
> and don't hear a difference, go with the cheaper model.
> If Brystons are truly made that well, the 20 year warranty
> would be moot.
Does this imply they both choose and like incurring the expense of repairing
their product for 20 years to both the original and subsequent owners?
So unless you want to impress people here,
> go with your wallet. My Parasounds have been on for 8 years
> solid. No hiccups and 3 years out of warranty.
I venture to guess that your room or something else in your system is
"bright" and the Brystons reveal it for what it is.
Magnepan has demonstrated their product with Bryston amplifiers. Personally,
I have been driving the Tympani IVA
with Bryston 7B STs for 4 (?) years without incident. FWIW others have
suggested quite the opposite, being that the Brystons are too dark, to which
I reply that the only darkness I perceive is the color of their cabinet.
FWIW I find the Bryston amplifiers I'm using to be both "neutral" and
totally reliable in my listening room. One thing that I can assure you,
without any question whatsoever, is that I am not interest in owning
*anything* for the purpose of impressing *anyone*, and furthermore I feel
sorry for you that this idea crosses pour mind!
pep38
Ed in Seattle
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Nousaine
I have 2 4B-NRB and 2 2Bs. I've had to use the warranty more than once on one
of the 4Bs, once on the other and now one of the 2Bs has developed a scratchy
level control.
MarkZimmerman
for not playing it safe with the amp. One of my woofers was out having the
surrounds repaired and I was playing the speakers with the woofer out and one
channel broke. But, at least I got great service and it didn't cost much. I'd
easily recomment van "L" Speakers up on N. Western for great service. And, it
seems like John can repair anything.
Best,
Craig Ellsworth
> "Craig Ellsworth" <craig.e...@ericsson.com> wrote in message
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> > I know of one who has had his Bryston 4B in 2 times for
> > warranty service. That coupled with the fact that it is
> > quite bright on his magnaplaners. Don't listen to owners
> > of Brystons who want to flaunt their prized possession. It's
> > your hard earned money. If you can hear them side by side
> > and don't hear a difference, go with the cheaper model.
> > If Brystons are truly made that well, the 20 year warranty
> > would be moot.
>
> Does this imply they both choose and like incurring the expense of repairing
> their product for 20 years to both the original and subsequent owners?
For over 3k the unit should not fail much less two times in one year
of ownership. I personally expect anything over 2 grand in audio to be
pretty
much a final purchase. A 10 year old Krell probably still sounds darn
near
the state of the art. I'd suspect that yourfine 7Bs should do the same
unless
the cost of H.F. power supply driven amps drops to the point of saving
energy.
>
> So unless you want to impress people here,
> > go with your wallet. My Parasounds have been on for 8 years
> > solid. No hiccups and 3 years out of warranty.
>
> I venture to guess that your room or something else in your system is
> "bright" and the Brystons reveal it for what it is.
> Magnepan has demonstrated their product with Bryston amplifiers. Personally,
> I have been driving the Tympani IVA
> with Bryston 7B STs for 4 (?) years without incident. FWIW others have
> suggested quite the opposite, being that the Brystons are too dark, to which
> I reply that the only darkness I perceive is the color of their cabinet.
> FWIW I find the Bryston amplifiers I'm using to be both "neutral" and
> totally reliable in my listening room.
It was not my room. It was a friend's system. I suspect that the amp
was
running out of gas for his low efficiency Maggies. It was the 60 watt
per channel amp. Stereophile recommended. I guess for 2 grand I expect
balls
in an amp.
One thing that I can assure you,
> without any question whatsoever, is that I am not interest in owning
> *anything* for the purpose of impressing *anyone*, and furthermore I feel
> sorry for you that this idea crosses pour mind!
Every time someone asks about what amp is suggested there are at least
3
or more Bryston suggestions. Even if the person is looking to spend,
say,
500 to a thousand bucks. Advice or flaunting, to quote O'Reilly, you
be
the judge. BTW, yes, I'd love a set of those fine 7Bs for my speakers
of
choice but the recent economy prohibits that.
Many who are into audio do more talking and debating about audio than
actually listening to it. And to many, their audio equipment is like
jewelry. If you've
been to any of the Stereophile shows you'd know what I mean. Q) If
dude A's system is so transparent as he claims, why is he still
shopping? A) Because he is still looking for that latest cool guy
component?
C. Leeds
> Many who are into audio do more talking and debating about audio than
> actually listening to it.
In my experience, that's often more true of self-styled "objectivists"
who become distracted with measuring and testing than with audiophiles,
who buy equipment that helps them enjoy music.
> And to many, their audio equipment is like
> jewelry. If you've
> been to any of the Stereophile shows you'd know what I mean.
I've been to the shows; I don't know what you mean. Your remark is
prejudicial.
>Q) If
> dude A's system is so transparent as he claims, why is he still
> shopping? A) Because he is still looking for that latest cool guy
> component?
No. Because it is a h-o-b-b-y. Simple.
Bruce Abrams
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> Craig Ellsworth wrote:
>
> > Many who are into audio do more talking and debating about audio than
> > actually listening to it.
>
> In my experience, that's often more true of self-styled "objectivists"
> who become distracted with measuring and testing than with audiophiles,
> who buy equipment that helps them enjoy music.
Couldn't be further from the truth. Once I realized that I couldn't tell
the difference between $1,000 interconnects and Radio Shack Gold for $15, I
immediately stopped shopping and haven't purchased or borrowed a new cable
in at least 5 years.
> > And to many, their audio equipment is like
> > jewelry. If you've
> > been to any of the Stereophile shows you'd know what I mean.
>
> I've been to the shows; I don't know what you mean. Your remark is
> prejudicial.
>
> >Q) If
> > dude A's system is so transparent as he claims, why is he still
> > shopping? A) Because he is still looking for that latest cool guy
> > component?
>
> No. Because it is a h-o-b-b-y. Simple.
The hobby is listening to music.
Steven Sullivan
> Craig Ellsworth wrote:
>
>> Many who are into audio do more talking and debating about audio than
>> actually listening to it.
> In my experience, that's often more true of self-styled "objectivists"
> who become distracted with measuring and testing than with audiophiles,
> who buy equipment that helps them enjoy music.
It's my experience that 'subjectivists' often make this statement about
'objectivists', though it is not at all my experience that the statement
is true.
--
-S.
"Because I hate you." -- Mr. Tinkles
Norman M. Schwartz
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I have never bought expensive cable AND I have never been to a show, either!
At the outset of the cable frenzy, many years ago, a friend loaned some
"Fulton" interconnect to me, and that shut the case forever since.
The h o b by *can be* listening to music, but since you need equipment to so
it incorporates itself into the hobby.