Made a snap decision just now...
John Ford
<annep...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Star Trek is the United States' anime. Same subculture.
>
>Not really. There's big differences between the two.
Yes, but that first sentence is a metaphor.
>1. The amount of source material for otakudom is much much larger
>than Star Trek, even including the novels and all.
>
>2. The "big guys" in Star Trek are much more accesible than most anime
>creators.
>
>3. Trekkers / Trekkies are enjoying an American product. Our
>subculture is based around a foreign one.
>
>Now I have nothing against the Trek culture. I used to be part of
>it and I still have friends in it. I just prefer the anime one.
Think about the personality elements of each culture. Typically the
fringe elements, not the normal ones. Obsessive devotion, defense and
overanalysis, predelicition for fanfiction and webshrines... heck, if
America were as lax as Japan we'd probably have fanmade porn comic
books of Star Trek or somethin' like that. Ever watched Trekkies?
The framed line art drawings of Tasha Yar banging Data bust me up
every single time.
sanjian
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> Think about the personality elements of each culture. Typically the
> fringe elements, not the normal ones. Obsessive devotion, defense and
> overanalysis, predelicition for fanfiction and webshrines... heck, if
This is the same in every obsessive group. You've got sports fans who can
give you any player's career (with stats) from their rookie year, to
retirement, for any sport. Heck, they keep Tops in business. Or take your
military afficiandos, they're more hard core than almost anyone I know who's
actually -in- the military. Any time you center your life around one thing,
that's Not A Good Thing (TM).
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John Ford
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>"John Ford" <agent...@yay.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 03:44:49 GMT, Anne Packrat
>> <annep...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Think about the personality elements of each culture. Typically the
>> fringe elements, not the normal ones. Obsessive devotion, defense and
>> overanalysis, predelicition for fanfiction and webshrines... heck, if
>
>This is the same in every obsessive group. You've got sports fans who can
>give you any player's career (with stats) from their rookie year,
I don't know of many pornographic sports hero web pages.
>to
>retirement, for any sport. Heck, they keep Tops in business. Or take your
>military afficiandos, they're more hard core than almost anyone I know who's
>actually -in- the military. Any time you center your life around one thing,
>that's Not A Good Thing (TM).
Yes, HOWEVER, those examples of obsession don't have as much in common
with otaku or trekdom as otaku and trekdom have with each other. Age
groups, for one... children of the media from two countries. They
have never known an era without constant mass media.
And so that provides them with sustenance, becomes their obsession.
They can actually recite more details about fictional star systems and
episode arcs than they can about history or current events. This is
coupled with an almost solopsistic world-view, that only my
self-created reality matters.
Both these obsessions are spawned by commercial products! Baseball
came before television and, as far as I know, so did warfare.
The Nameless Horror
wrote:
>I don't know of many pornographic sports hero web pages.
Most sports heroes are men, and are of interest to a male audience. If
one broadens the field to include athletes in general, one need only
reach as far as the Anna Kournikova computer virus to be aware that
some female athletes do attract this sort of interest.
The Matildas' calendar from Australia.
The paparazzi shots of Anna Kournikova in the Sun.
Appearances by Katarina Witt, Gabriella Reece, Mia St. John, and
Chynna, among others, in Playboy. For that matter, there's even
Leilani Rios.
Of course, we're still not talking about fanfic stories with explicit
sex. For that kind of thing, one has to wander further afield, into an
area which may not really qualify as a sporting competition.
For something relatively tame, but definitely stimulating, there's
Cynara vs Denise II, for example.