"Frasier" theme song finally explained

[David]

http://www.vulture.com/2012/04/frasiers-tossed-salads-and-scrambled-eggs-explained-finally.html

Frasier’s ‘Tossed Salads and Scrambled Eggs’ Explained, Finally
By Amanda Dobbins

And the Internet solves yet another pressing Nineties Pop-Culture
Mystery: Former Frasier writer Ken Levine tracked down Bruce Miller,
the composer of the sitcom's theme song, and asked him to explain
those puzzling, possibly salacious lyrics "tossed salads and scrambled
eggs." Levine came through! His response: "I was told ... to avoid any
direct references to specific subject matter. So it was necessary to
stay away from words about psychiatry, radio shows, the name
'Frasier,' and anything else directly indicating aspects of the show …
I called my friend Darryl Phinnesse who is really talented and really
smart. I gave him the idea of the show and he called back with the
idea of 'Tossed Salads and Scrambled Eggs.' At first I was a bit
baffled myself until he explained that these were things that were
'mixed up' … like Frasier Crane's patients." Vulture would have gone
with a Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler reference instead, but no
matter. Case weirdly closed!

[Remysun]

On Apr 10, 3:37 pm, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.vulture.com/2012/04/frasiers-tossed-salads-and-scrambled-e...

The illumination about not being able to talk about psychology in the
theme song was interesting, but who didn't get that the song just
meant cuckoo.

[Ken Wesson]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:37:15 -0400, David wrote:

> Levine came through! His response: "I was told ... to avoid any direct
> references to specific subject matter. So it was necessary to stay away
> from words about psychiatry, radio shows, the name 'Frasier,' and
> anything else directly indicating aspects of the show

What was the rationale behind this? It wouldn't have been possible for
that information to be a spoiler, at least not for any episode after the
pilot.

[rwgibson13]

Yeah, and considering how little airtime TV theme songs actually get nowadays (as opposed to, say, the heydays of the '60s/'70s), I'm kind of surprised producers give this stuff this much thought.

We've come a long way since the days of "The Beverly Hillbillies" and "Welcome Back Kotter," where the theme songs/intros were considered an essential part of the product.

RWG ("GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!")

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time,

Not really. Look at what they did to "Monk".


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Captain Infinity

[Adam H. Kerman]

Since the character was spun off from Cheers, that the character was a
psychiatrist was long established.

[Hass]

> meant cuckoo.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Nah...it's simply a reference to licking asshole. Ubi knows all about
it.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <tt29o7tt1b0l8hnj9...@4ax.com>,
David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://www.vulture.com/2012/04/frasiers-tossed-salads-and-scrambled-eggs-expla

LOL, excellent. I always thought it was some random song some random
producer liked and just stuck in, like the horrible theme to ENTERPRISE.

--
So we're all agreed that Clod is stupid?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <d6rao71vtdfldn5ln...@4ax.com>,

Bingo!

[Adam H. Kerman]

In addition to a songwriter who must be stopped from ever singing again,
Randy Newman's lyrics poorly described the character. A few of the lyrics
were just jammed in, like "this world we love so much". As an instrumental,
though, it's tuneful, just not excellent.

Please remind yourself what we lost by dropping Jeff Beal's theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZZm1Zqo_Ns

[Ken Wesson]

What? That wasn't random. It was obviously relevant to the theme of
gradual advancement of travel technology and an ever-widening range of
exploration. Did you even *listen* to the lyrics?

[Duggy]

On Apr 12, 2:43 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> In addition to a songwriter who must be stopped from ever singing again,
> Randy Newman's lyrics poorly described the character. A few of the lyrics
> were just jammed in, like "this world we love so much". As an instrumental,
> though, it's tuneful, just not excellent.

I've always hated Randy Newman.

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[Duggy]

Psychiatry & Frasier wouldn't have been a spoiler anyway.

I think it's more a copyright issue. The writer can own the song
without infringing on the show.

When was the last title tune that directly referenced the show?

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[Duggy]

On Apr 12, 2:33 am, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> LOL, excellent.  I always thought it was some random song some random
> producer liked and just stuck in, like the horrible theme to ENTERPRISE.

There was no theme to Enterprise.

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[Duggy]

On Apr 13, 6:40 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What? That wasn't random. It was obviously relevant to the theme of
> gradual advancement of travel technology and an ever-widening range of
> exploration. Did you even *listen* to the lyrics?

Really? The "Patch Adams" theme was space travel?

Are you reading too much into the lyrics?

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[Androgen]

You're replying to Anim. Anim's opinions on all matters Star Trek came
out of a large, ugly, clear plastic bag of coke cut with something
particularly icky like arsenic powder or something.

[Remysun]

On Apr 13, 5:02 am, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it's more a copyright issue.  The writer can own the song
> without infringing on the show.
>
> When was the last title tune that directly referenced the show?

For sure, It's Garry Shandling Show. In Living Color. X-Files, if you
believe the lyrics Mark Snow came up with. I'll go with the short
lived My Generation, unless The Who was only for promos. "Hey Girl"
for New Girl almost qualifies.

[Ken Wesson]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 02:08:28 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 13, 6:40 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What? That wasn't random. It was obviously relevant to the theme of
>> gradual advancement of travel technology and an ever-widening range of
>> exploration. Did you even *listen* to the lyrics?
>
> Really? The "Patch Adams" theme was space travel?

What are you talking about? I was talking about the Star Trek: Enterprise
theme. "It's been a long road, getting from here to there..."

[Tom]

Spot on...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129290/soundtrack

Tom

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time,

You're both wrong. It's the song that was used to wake up the crew of the
space shuttle when they went to repair the Hubble Space Telescope. Sheesh,
don't you guys watch NASA TV?


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Captain Infinity

[Ken Wesson]

So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually watched a
single episode of it? I can think of no *other* explanation for you
thinking I'm "wrong" when I quote verbatim from its lyrics, accurately.

Now, here's a more interesting question: does anyone in this newsgroup
ever watch a show and *then* criticize it, rather than criticize only the
shows they've never even seen? :) (Besides WQ, who famously watches seven
minutes of the middle of a random episode and then criticizes the show
because those seven minutes are not self-contained and instead *actually
reference plot events from earlier in the episode*.)

[Your Name]

That's not a theme tune ... as far as I understand it, it was a normal
song that was hijacked to pretend to be a theme tune. It also has
absolutely no connection or familiarity to any of the other Star Trek
theme tunes. That choice is simply another in a long list of faults by
Beavis & Butthead trying to "reboot" the franchise, and another in a long
list of reasons why "Enterprise" is not a real "Star Trek" show.

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time,
Ken Wesson wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:41:37 -0400, Captain Infinity wrote:
>
>> Once Upon A Time,
>> Ken Wesson wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 02:08:28 -0700, Duggy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 13, 6:40 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What? That wasn't random. It was obviously relevant to the theme of
>>>>> gradual advancement of travel technology and an ever-widening range
>>>>> of exploration. Did you even *listen* to the lyrics?
>>>>
>>>> Really? The "Patch Adams" theme was space travel?
>>>
>>>What are you talking about? I was talking about the Star Trek:
>>>Enterprise theme. "It's been a long road, getting from here to there..."
>>
>> You're both wrong. It's the song that was used to wake up the crew of
>> the space shuttle when they went to repair the Hubble Space Telescope.
>> Sheesh, don't you guys watch NASA TV?
>
>So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually watched a
>single episode of it? I can think of no *other* explanation for you
>thinking I'm "wrong" when I quote verbatim from its lyrics, accurately.

There are at least 2 other explanations, and you've been presented with
them both. You just need to widen your worldview a bit. There's more to
life than Star Trek.


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Captain Infinity

[Ken Wesson]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:36:52 -0400, Captain Infinity wrote:

> Once Upon A Time,
> Ken Wesson wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:41:37 -0400, Captain Infinity wrote:
>>
>>> Once Upon A Time,
>>> Ken Wesson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 02:08:28 -0700, Duggy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 13, 6:40 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> What? That wasn't random. It was obviously relevant to the theme of
>>>>>> gradual advancement of travel technology and an ever-widening range
>>>>>> of exploration. Did you even *listen* to the lyrics?
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? The "Patch Adams" theme was space travel?
>>>>
>>>>What are you talking about? I was talking about the Star Trek:
>>>>Enterprise theme. "It's been a long road, getting from here to
>>>>there..."
>>>
>>> You're both wrong. It's the song that was used to wake up the crew of
>>> the space shuttle when they went to repair the Hubble Space Telescope.
>>> Sheesh, don't you guys watch NASA TV?
>>
>>So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually watched
>>a single episode of it? I can think of no *other* explanation for you
>>thinking I'm "wrong" when I quote verbatim from its lyrics, accurately.
>
> There are at least 2 other explanations,

Well, let's see. I quote from the lyrics, accurately. Someone responds
claiming that I'm wrong. I see only three explanations:

1. They never heard them and are just guessing. So they never watched an
episode.

2. They did hear them, but then forgot, completely. That means they're
essentially as ignorant as in scenario 1.

3. They heard and remember them and they're claim that I'm wrong isn't
mistaken but instead a deliberate lie. This is both an uncharitable
interpretation and a less likely one so I did not bother to include
it earlier, partly out of politeness.

[Ken Wesson]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:25:18 +1200, Your Name wrote:

> In article <4f88...@news.x-privat.org>, Ken Wesson <kwe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 02:08:28 -0700, Duggy wrote:
>> > On Apr 13, 6:40 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> What? That wasn't random. It was obviously relevant to the theme of
>> >> gradual advancement of travel technology and an ever-widening range
>> >> of exploration. Did you even *listen* to the lyrics?
>> >
>> > Really? The "Patch Adams" theme was space travel?
>>
>> What are you talking about? I was talking about the Star Trek:
>> Enterprise theme. "It's been a long road, getting from here to
>> there..."
>
> That's not a theme tune ... as far as I understand it, it was a normal
> song that was hijacked to pretend to be a theme tune.

It's the show's theme tune, whether you like it or not and whether it's
*also* something else or not.

> It also has
> absolutely no connection or familiarity to any of the other Star Trek
> theme tunes. That choice is simply another in a long list of faults by
> Beavis & Butthead trying to "reboot" the franchise, and another in a
> long list of reasons why "Enterprise" is not a real "Star Trek" show.

Fascinating criticism, but entirely beside the point. :)

[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 5:09 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, let's see. I quote from the lyrics, accurately. Someone responds
> claiming that I'm wrong. I see only three explanations:
>
> 1. They never heard them and are just guessing. So they never watched an
>    episode.
>
> 2. They did hear them, but then forgot, completely. That means they're
>    essentially as ignorant as in scenario 1.
>
> 3. They heard and remember them and they're claim that I'm wrong isn't
>    mistaken but instead a deliberate lie. This is both an uncharitable
>    interpretation and a less likely one so I did not bother to include
>    it earlier, partly out of politeness.

4. They were generic inspirational lyrics that if forced vaguely fit
space travel.

Explain why the song appeared on the Patch Adams soundtrack long
before it appeared as the theme to Enterprise if it is only about
space travel.

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[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 5:10 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's the show's theme tune, whether you like it or not and whether it's
> *also* something else or not.

So it's only about space but it's also something else.

You don't like to make much sense, do you.

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[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 2:42 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually watched a
> single episode of it?

We're criticising the theme, not the show.

And - the entire of season 1 and chucks of season 4.

> Now, here's a more interesting question: does anyone in this newsgroup
> ever watch a show and *then* criticize it, rather than criticize only the
> shows they've never even seen?

No, you're the only one who does that.

Now, thanks for dodging the point... but you were saying that the
Patch Adams theme was all about space travel. Explain how.

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[Your Name]

Not beside the point at all. The point is that the song was originally
created for other reasons which probably have nothing to do with space
travel or exploration. The lazy Beavis & Butthead simply paid to re-use
it.

[Your Name]

In article
<1003610f-beb1-48ad...@v7g2000pbs.googlegroups.com>, Duggy
<p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 14, 2:42=A0pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually watched a
> > single episode of it?
>
> We're criticising the theme, not the show.
>
> And - the entire of season 1 and chucks of season 4.

As well as seasons 2, 3, and the rest of season 4, plus the two morons who
screwed up the franchise by making the show in the first place. :-(

[Ken Wesson]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:39:36 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 14, 5:09 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, let's see. I quote from the lyrics, accurately. Someone responds
>> claiming that I'm wrong. I see only three explanations:
>>
>> 1. They never heard them and are just guessing. So they never watched
>> an
>>    episode.
>>
>> 2. They did hear them, but then forgot, completely. That means they're
>>    essentially as ignorant as in scenario 1.
>>
>> 3. They heard and remember them and they're claim that I'm wrong isn't
>>    mistaken but instead a deliberate lie. This is both an
>>    uncharitable interpretation and a less likely one so I did not
>>    bother to include it earlier, partly out of politeness.
>
> 4. They were generic inspirational lyrics that if forced vaguely fit
> space travel.

How is that even *remotely* relevant to the (erroneous) claim that my
quotation of the lyrics had not been accurate???

> Explain why the song appeared on the Patch Adams soundtrack long before
> it appeared as the theme to Enterprise if it is only about space travel.

Who claimed it was "only" about space travel? And again, what does your
challenge have to do with the issue I was addressing, which was the
(erroneous) claim that my quotation of the lyrics had not been accurate?

[Ken Wesson]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:37:09 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 14, 2:42 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually watched
>> a single episode of it?
>
> We're criticising the theme, not the show.

Keep telling yourself that.

> And - the entire of season 1 and chucks of season 4.

See? Told you.

>> Now, here's a more interesting question: does anyone in this newsgroup
>> ever watch a show and *then* criticize it, rather than criticize only
>> the shows they've never even seen?
>
> No, you're the only one who does that.

No I don't.

> Now, thanks for dodging the point...

I didn't.

> but you were saying that the Patch Adams theme

I never said anything at all about any Patch Adams theme. You are
confused.

[Ken Wesson]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:40:44 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 14, 5:10 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's the show's theme tune, whether you like it or not and whether it's
>> *also* something else or not.
>
> So it's only about space but it's also something else.

So you're no longer denying that, in the Enterprise opening titles, it
referred to space.

> You don't like to make much sense, do you.

As a mutual friend of ours would say, classic erroneous presupposition.

[Ken Wesson]

Sure it is. You were denying that it was ST:ENT's theme song, which
denial was just plain wrong. Now you're trying to distract from having
been caught in a factual mistake. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[Tony Calguire]

David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:tt29o7tt1b0l8hnj9...@4ax.com:

> smart. I gave him the idea of the show and he called back with the
> idea of 'Tossed Salads and Scrambled Eggs.'

For a long time, I thought it was, "'cause Sally's in scrambled eggs".

> At first I was a bit
> baffled myself until he explained that these were things that were
> 'mixed up' … like Frasier Crane's patients." Vulture would have gone
> with a Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler reference instead, but no
> matter. Case weirdly closed!
>

'Cause they're brothers
Identical psychiatrist brothers, and you'll find
They walk alike, they talk alike
They even seem vaguely gay alike
You will lose your mind
When brothers... are two of a kind!

[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 6:28 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You were denying that it was ST:ENT's theme song, which
> denial was just plain wrong.

Get a sense of humour.

> Now you're trying to distract from having
> been caught in a factual mistake. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Like you and your claim it was about space travel?

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[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 6:25 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > 4.  They were generic inspirational lyrics that if forced vaguely fit
> > space travel.
> How is that even *remotely* relevant to the (erroneous) claim that my
> quotation of the lyrics had not been accurate???

When did I make that claim?

In your deranged imagination?

> > Explain why the song appeared on the Patch Adams soundtrack long before
> > it appeared as the theme to Enterprise if it is only about space travel.

> Who claimed it was "only" about space travel?

You.

> And again, what does your
> challenge have to do with the issue I was addressing, which was the
> (erroneous) claim that my quotation of the lyrics had not been accurate?

Shut up, Seamus.

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[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 6:26 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:37:09 -0700, Duggy wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 2:42 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually watched
> >> a single episode of it?
> > We're criticising the theme, not the show.
> Keep telling yourself that.

The truth? Certainly will.

> > And - the entire of season 1 and chucks of season 4.
> See? Told you.

Enough to know the theme sucked.

> > but you were saying that the Patch Adams theme
> I never said anything at all about any Patch Adams theme. You are
> confused.

"Faith in the Heart" the theme to Patch Adams. I'm sure you know the
words.

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[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 6:27 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:40:44 -0700, Duggy wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 5:10 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It's the show's theme tune, whether you like it or not and whether it's
> >> *also* something else or not.
>
> > So it's only about space but it's also something else.
> So you're no longer denying that, in the Enterprise opening titles, it
> referred to space.

No, I'm trying to make sense of your jibberish.

Patch Adams wasn't about space, why do you think its theme song was?

> > You don't like to make much sense, do you.
> As a mutual friend of ours would say, classic erroneous presupposition.

Suddenly talking about yourself in the third person isn't making more
sense.

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[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 5:02 pm, YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> Not beside the point at all. The point is that the song was originally
> created for other reasons which probably have nothing to do with space
> travel or exploration. The lazy Beavis & Butthead simply paid to re-use
> it.

Exactly.

I'm not a fan of Diane Warren's music - it annoys me - but it isn't
all about space travel like Ken Wesson claims.

Or is it?

"Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now."
And we can build this dream together, standing strong forever
Nothing's gonna stop us now
And if this world runs out of lovers, we'll still have each other
Nothing's gonna stop us, nothing's gonna stop us

Obviously about colonizing and exploring new planets. "If the world
runs out of lovers" is obviously a reference to today's environmental
concerns, and "nothing's gonna stop us" acknowledges the series set
later.

"Can't Fight the Moonlight."
Underneath the starlight - starlight
There's a magical feeling - so right
It will steal your heart tonight
You can try to resist
Try to hide from my kiss
But you know
But you know that you can't fight the moonlight
Deep in the dark
You'll surrender your heart
But you know
But you know that you can't fight the moonlight
No, you can't fight it
It's gonna get to your heart

Obviously the Moon drew us to space travel and exploration and we
surrendered to further exploration "deep in the dark" of space.

"Just Like Jesse James."

No specific lyrics, but Roddenberry compared Trek to "Wagon Train"
which was set in the wild west, "Just Like Jesse James" films.

To me the lyrics to "Faith in the Heart" (and the singing) sound like
an ad for a Bank.

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[Ken Wesson]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:08:11 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 14, 6:25 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > 4.  They were generic inspirational lyrics that if forced vaguely fit
>> > space travel.
>> How is that even *remotely* relevant to the (erroneous) claim that my
>> quotation of the lyrics had not been accurate???
>
> When did I make that claim?

I didn't day you made it. Captain Infinity made it, but when I told him
he was wrong, you then disputed that:

You wrote in
<79263c79-235b-494e...@w6g2000pbp.googlegroups.com>

> I wrote in <4f891483$1...@news.x-privat.org>
>
>> Captain Infinity wrote in <tjvho7lp9m3u1ms10...@4ax.com>
>>
>>> I wrote in <4f88f240$1...@news.x-privat.org>
>>>
>>>> Captain Infinity wrote in
>>>> <4soho71jfi1jjf8db...@4ax.com>
>>>>
>>>>> I wrote in <4f88...@news.x-privat.org>

>>>>>
>>>>>> Star Trek: Enterprise theme. "It's been a long road, getting from
>>>>>> here to there..."
>>>>>
>>>>> You're both wrong.

There's the original claim that my quotation of the Enterprise theme
lyrics was wrong.

>>>> So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually
>>>> watched a single episode of it? I can think of no *other*
>>>> explanation for you thinking I'm "wrong" when I quote verbatim from
>>>> its lyrics, accurately.

There's me explaining that since I'm *not* wrong Captain Infinity
apparently never watched the show before pontificating about it.

>>> There are at least 2 other explanations

Captain Infinity trying to use bluster to defend himself from this charge.

>> 2. They did hear them, but then forgot, completely. That means they're
>> essentially as ignorant as in scenario 1.
>>
>> 3. They heard and remember them and they're claim that I'm wrong isn't
>> mistaken but instead a deliberate lie.

The only 2 other possible explanations for his being wrong about my
supposedly being wrong in my quotation of the lyrics. Neither is any more
flattering to him than the first.

> 4. They were generic inspirational lyrics that if forced vaguely fit
> space travel.

You being utterly irrelevant to that issue, apparently in some misguided
and poorly-thought-out rush to Captain Infinity's defense and/or knee-
jerk hostile attack on a random post of mine. (Next time, try picking one
where I'm not actually provably right. If you can find such a post.)

> In your deranged imagination?

I don't have a deranged one. You'll have to find someone else if that's
your kink.

>> > Explain why the song appeared on the Patch Adams soundtrack long
>> > before it appeared as the theme to Enterprise if it is only about
>> > space travel.
>
>> Who claimed it was "only" about space travel?
>
> You.

Wrong again. I claimed that the Enterprise show clearly used it to allude
to exploration and widening frontiers. I didn't specifically say space
travel, though that can fairly be inferred. I *certainly* didn't say
anything about it *only* being about space travel, and that can*not*
fairly be inferred.

>> And again, what does your
>> challenge have to do with the issue I was addressing, which was the
>> (erroneous) claim that my quotation of the lyrics had not been
>> accurate?
>
> Shut up, Seamus.

If anyone's Seamus here, it's you.

[Ken Wesson]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:08:21 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 14, 6:26 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:37:09 -0700, Duggy wrote:
>> > On Apr 14, 2:42 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> So, everyone criticizing Star Trek: ENT has also never actually
>> >> watched
>> >> a single episode of it?
>> > We're criticising the theme, not the show.
>> Keep telling yourself that.
>
> The truth? Certainly will.

Criticising the theme *is* (one way of) criticising the show, doofus.

>> > And - the entire of season 1 and chucks of season 4.
>> See? Told you.
>
> Enough to know the theme sucked.

How is that relevant to the question of whether I quoted the lyrics
accurately?

>> > but you were saying that the Patch Adams theme
>>
>> I never said anything at all about any Patch Adams theme. You are
>> confused.
>
> "Faith in the Heart" the theme to Patch Adams. I'm sure you know the
> words.

You are still confused. The ENT theme is called "Faith OF The Heart".

[Ken Wesson]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:08:30 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 14, 6:27 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:40:44 -0700, Duggy wrote:
>> > On Apr 14, 5:10 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> It's the show's theme tune, whether you like it or not and whether
>> >> it's *also* something else or not.
>>
>> > So it's only about space but it's also something else.
>>
>> So you're no longer denying that, in the Enterprise opening titles, it
>> referred to space.
>
> No, I'm trying to make sense of your jibberish.

But I don't have any gibberish (note spelling).

> Patch Adams wasn't about space, why do you think its theme song was?

Why do you keep changing the subject? I've no interest in Patch Adams and
couldn't care less that its theme song was about. Certainly I never
claimed anything in particular about its theme song.

>> > You don't like to make much sense, do you.
>>
>> As a mutual friend of ours would say, classic erroneous presupposition.
>
> Suddenly talking about yourself in the third person isn't making more
> sense.

I'm not. But I'm starting to think (again) that you might be him.
Certainly you argue like him: rude, randomly changing the subject,
refusing to admit when you're wrong or just plain irrelevant, etc.

[Ken Wesson]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:07:47 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 14, 6:28 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You were denying that it was ST:ENT's theme song, which
>> denial was just plain wrong.
>
> Get a sense of humour.

I don't find being publicly insulted by the likes of you and then having
to engage in a debate with someone who keeps being dishonest in their
debating tactics to be very amusing.

Besides, what humor are you talking about? Nowhere in any of your flames
posted tonight have you cracked so much as a single joke. You've just
been rude and hostile and kept randomly changing the subject from one
show's theme to another's, and from whether a quotation was correct to
whether you liked the music or not. If that was somehow intended to be a
joke, I confess that that was in no way obvious to anyone reading it!

>> Now you're trying to distract from having been caught in a factual
>> mistake. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
>
> Like you and your claim it was about space travel?

I never made that claim. Reread the thread.

[Ken Wesson]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:07:26 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 14, 5:02 pm, YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
>> Not beside the point at all. The point is that the song was originally
>> created for other reasons which probably have nothing to do with space
>> travel or exploration. The lazy Beavis & Butthead simply paid to re-use
>> it.
>
> Exactly.
>
> I'm not a fan of Diane Warren's music - it annoys me - but it isn't all
> about space travel like Ken Wesson claims.

I never claimed that, liar. I claimed that the show used a *Rod Stewart*
(NOT Diane Warren!) song to suggest broadening horizons of exploration.
Not the same thing at all.

[David Johnston]

Why are you claiming that there was a claim that your quotation of the

[Captain Infinity]

Then there's option 4: You're a nitwit who has decided to remain ignorant
of reality despite numerous attempts to educate you.

Read this, you fuckwit, then apologize, and then shut the fuck up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_of_the_heart


**
Captain Infinity

[Your Name]

Oh dear, yet another Intenet idiot who wants top blindly believe what they
want to believe, despite the actual facts. No point wasting any more time
on this fool. :-\

[Alan Smithee]

Duggy wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2:43 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>> In addition to a songwriter who must be stopped from ever singing again,
>> Randy Newman's lyrics poorly described the character. A few of the lyrics
>> were just jammed in, like "this world we love so much". As an instrumental,
>> though, it's tuneful, just not excellent.
>
> I've always hated Randy Newman.
>
> ===
> = DUG.
> ===

Why, are you short?

[Three Four]

On 14/04/2012 7:08 AM, Duggy wrote:
16> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

16> When did I make that claim?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with
television or Star Trek, Duggy? Wesson only mentioned that there was a
claim, Duggy. He didn't specify who made it, Duggy.

16> In your deranged imagination?

What does your unsubstantiated allegation regarding Wesson have to do
with television or Star Trek, Duggy?

16> You.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with television or Star Trek, Duggy? I don't see the word "only" used in
that matter in any parent post to yours, Duggy. Suffering from reading
comprehension problems, Duggy?

16> Shut up, Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

16> ===
16> = DUG.
16> ===

What does your alias have to do with television, Duggy?

[Three Four]

On 14/04/2012 8:34 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:
54> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

54> I didn't day you made it.

Non sequitur.

54> Captain Infinity made it, but when I told him he was wrong, you then
54> disputed that:

Classic pontification.

54> There's the original claim that my quotation of the Enterprise theme
54> lyrics was wrong.

Classic pontification.

54> There's me explaining that since I'm *not* wrong Captain Infinity
54> apparently never watched the show before pontificating about it.

Classic pontification.

54> Captain Infinity trying to use bluster to defend himself from this
charge.

Classic pontification.

54> The only 2 other possible explanations for his being wrong about my
54> supposedly being wrong in my quotation of the lyrics. Neither is any
more
54> flattering to him than the first.

What do Captain Infinity's personality defects have to do with
television or Star Trek, Wesson?

54> You being utterly irrelevant to that issue, apparently in some misguided
54> and poorly-thought-out rush to Captain Infinity's defense and/or knee-
54> jerk hostile attack on a random post of mine. (Next time, try
picking one
54> where I'm not actually provably right. If you can find such a post.)

What does that have to do with television or Star Trek, Wesson?

54> I don't have a deranged one. You'll have to find someone else if that's
54> your kink.

What does Duggy's kink have to do with television or Star Trek, Wesson?

54> Wrong again. I claimed that the Enterprise show clearly used it to
allude
54> to exploration and widening frontiers. I didn't specifically say space
54> travel, though that can fairly be inferred. I *certainly* didn't say
54> anything about it *only* being about space travel, and that can*not*
54> fairly be inferred.

Classic pontification.

54> If anyone's Seamus here, it's you.

Who is "Seamus", Wesson? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 10:34 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Shut up, Seamus.
>
> If anyone's Seamus here, it's you.

Shut up. Seamus.

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 10:35 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:08:21 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> > "Faith of the Heart" the theme to Patch Adams.  I'm sure you know the

> > words.
> You are still confused. The ENT theme is called "Faith OF The Heart".

Shut up, Seamus.

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

[Duggy]

On Apr 15, 12:01 am, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
> Why are you claiming that there was a claim that your quotation of the
> lyrics had not been accurate?

DFTT.

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

[Three Four]

On 15/04/2012 12:44 AM, Duggy wrote:
18> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

18> Shut up.

Classic invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical argument.

18> Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

18> ===
18> = DUG.
18> ===

What does your alias have to do with television or Star Trek, Duggy?

[Three Four]

On 15/04/2012 12:45 AM, Duggy wrote:
19> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

19> Shut up, Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

19> ===
19> = DUG.
19> ===

[Three Four]

On 15/04/2012 12:46 AM, Duggy wrote:
20> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

20> Shut up, Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

20> ===
20> = DUG.
20> ===

[Three Four]

On 15/04/2012 12:46 AM, Duggy wrote:

21> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

21> Shut up, Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

21> ===
21> = DUG.
21> ===

[Duggy]

On Apr 14, 10:45 pm, Seamus <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:07:26 -0700, Duggy wrote:
> > I'm not a fan of Diane Warren's music - it annoys me - but it isn't all
> > about space travel like Ken Wesson claims.
> I never claimed that, liar. I claimed that the show used a *Rod Stewart*
> (NOT Diane Warren!)

Diane Warren wrote the song, Seamus.

> song to suggest broadening horizons of exploration.
> Not the same thing at all.

[Three Four]

On 15/04/2012 12:47 AM, Duggy wrote:
22> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

22> Diane Warren wrote the song, Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

22> Shut up, Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

22> ===
22> = DUG.
22> ===

What does your alias have to do with television, Duggy?

[tho...@ifa.hawaii.edu]

Duggy <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> writes:

2> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy

2> Shut up, Ken Wesson.

Fell for the redirection of "Three Four", eh Duggy?

] Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv, alt.startrek
] Followup-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
] From: Three Four

3> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy

3> Shut up, Ken Wesson.

And again.

4> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy

4> Shut up, Ken Wasson

And again.

5> Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy

5> Shut up, Ken Wesson.

And again.

[Three Four]

On 15/04/2012 10:06 PM, tho...@antispam.ham wrote:
/!\> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek,comp.os.os2.advocacy

/!\> Fell for the redirection of "Three Four", eh Duggy?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with

television or Star Trek, tholenbot?

/!\> And again.

/!\> And again.

/!\> And again.

What does your ironically repetitive observation of Duggy's
repetitiveness have to do with television or Star Trek, tholoon?

[Ken Wesson]

Msgid <4soho71jfi1jjf8db...@4ax.com>:

>> I was talking about the Star Trek: Enterprise
>> theme. "It's been a long road, getting from here to there..."
>

> You're both wrong.

I cited the start of the lyrics; Captain Infinity then claimed that I
(and some other person) was wrong.

If you'd read every ancestor post of mine before writing your followup
you'd have answered your own question. In future, please read the whole
thread before jumping into the middle of an argument and asking a
question that is liable to turn out to be really, really stupid. Or
better yet don't jump into the middle of the argument at all.

[Ken Wesson]

No, actually, that really isn't an option. Even if it were true, which it
isn't, it wouldn't explain someone claiming that my accurate quotation of
the lyrics was inaccurate.

To be more precise, suppose I actually was a nitwit. How could this cause
someone to claim that my quotation was inaccurate? I can only think of
two ways. On the one hand, the person, seeing me as a nitwit, assumes
that therefore anything I say is wrong, without checking first. If they'd
never heard the lyrics and just assumed I was wrong about them because of
my (alleged) nitwittery, then that's really just a subcase of option 1
above. If they had heard the lyrics but did not remember them and made
the same assumption, that's really just a subcase of option 2 above.

On the other hand, if they actually remembered the lyrics, knew I was
actually accurate, but because of my (alleged) nitwittery absolutely did
not want to admit it or even remain silent and so claimed I'd been wrong
anyway, then that's really just a subcase of option 3 above.

So, you can see that there really is no distinct option 4. What you
proposed is really just a possible motivation for option 3 and a possible
contributing factor to the incorrect guess in options 1 and 2.

> Read this, you fuckwit

The rest of your post has been deleted unread due to your excessive and
gratuitous rudeness and your demanding tone. If you really want me to
read it, ask again but be polite this time.

[Ken Wesson]

There is, indeed, no point wasting any more time on you. If you continue
to deny the reality that that was indeed ST:ENT's theme song then there
is really nothing I can do for you without certain professional
qualifications that I presently lack, except suggest that you pop an
Enterprise DVD into your player and run it until the opening titles
sequence while not deaf or temporarily obstructing your ears.

[Ken Wesson]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:47:43 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> Shut up, Seamus.

If this is the best argument you can come up with to shore up your
thesis's failing edifice, then all I can say is "away and boil yer head!"

HTH. HAND.

[Your Name]

In article <4f97...@news.x-privat.org>, Ken Wesson <kwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is, indeed, no point wasting any more time on you. If you continue
> to deny the reality that that was indeed ST:ENT's theme song then there
> is really nothing I can do for you without certain professional
> qualifications that I presently lack, except suggest that you pop an
> Enterprise DVD into your player and run it until the opening titles
> sequence while not deaf or temporarily obstructing your ears.

Good grief you're thick. Nobody said it was not USED as the theme tune.
We're trying to tell you that it wasn't WRITTEN to be the theme tune ...
but believe whatever utter crap you want to delude yourself with. :-\

[dx...@albury.nospam.net.au]

Ken Wesson wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:17:46 -0400, Captain Infinity wrote:
>

<Snip>

>>
>> Then there's option 4: You're a nitwit who has decided to remain
>> ignorant of reality despite numerous attempts to educate you.
>
> No, actually, that really isn't an option. Even if it were true, which it
> isn't, it wouldn't explain someone claiming that my accurate quotation of
> the lyrics was inaccurate.
>
> To be more precise, suppose I actually was a nitwit. How could this cause
> someone to claim that my quotation was inaccurate? I can only think of
> two ways. On the one hand, the person, seeing me as a nitwit, assumes
> that therefore anything I say is wrong, without checking first. If they'd
> never heard the lyrics and just assumed I was wrong about them because of
> my (alleged) nitwittery, then that's really just a subcase of option 1
> above. If they had heard the lyrics but did not remember them and made
> the same assumption, that's really just a subcase of option 2 above.
>
> On the other hand, if they actually remembered the lyrics, knew I was
> actually accurate, but because of my (alleged) nitwittery absolutely did
> not want to admit it or even remain silent and so claimed I'd been wrong
> anyway, then that's really just a subcase of option 3 above.
>
> So, you can see that there really is no distinct option 4. What you
> proposed is really just a possible motivation for option 3 and a possible
> contributing factor to the incorrect guess in options 1 and 2.
>
>> Read this, you fuckwit
>
> The rest of your post has been deleted unread due to your excessive and
> gratuitous rudeness and your demanding tone. If you really want me to
> read it, ask again but be polite this time.

Hang on!! I'm lost.....first you type "I can only think of two ways" and
then end up with four options!!

Someone cannot count!!

Daniel

[Captain Infinity]

Go fuck yourself, you ignorant asshole. Plonk.


**
Captain Infinity

[Duggy]

Shut up, Seamus.

Take your lies elsewhere.

===
= dug.
===

[Duggy]

On Apr 25, 4:26 pm, YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> Good grief you're thick. Nobody said it was not USED as the theme tune.
> We're trying to tell you that it wasn't WRITTEN to be the theme tune ...
> but believe whatever utter crap you want to delude yourself with.  :-\

Don't bother, Seamus is too think to understand.

===
= DUG.
===

[lirpa]

On 25/04/2012 7:05 PM, Duggy wrote:
26> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

26> Don't bother, Seamus is too think to understand.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

26> ===
26> = DUG.
26> ===

What does your alias have to do with television or Star Trek, Duggy?

[lirpa]

On 25/04/2012 7:04 PM, Duggy wrote:
27> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,alt.startrek

27> Shut up, Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Duggy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

27> Take your lies elsewhere.

Classic invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical argument.

27> ===
27> = dug.
27> ===

What does your alias have to do with television, Duggy?

[Duggy]

On Apr 25, 12:44 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To be more precise, suppose I actually was a nitwit.

OK.

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

On Apr 25, 12:49 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:47:43 -0700, Duggy wrote:
> > Shut up, Seamus.
>
> If this is the best argument

> all I can say is "away and boil yer head!"

That may be the best argument you can make, sure.

But you can't pretend that the song was written about space travel and
not seem like an idiot.

But you did and you do.

===
= DUG.
===

[Ken Wesson]

Someone cannot read. There are two ways: ignorance or intentional lying.
There are *three* options -- two variations for ignorance and one for
lying. "Infinity"'s proposed fourth option isn't, as I just explained.

[Ken Wesson]

I'll interpret that as you conceding the debate, having run out of
meaningful arguments in support of your thesis, and furthermore I'll
interpret that as you being a sore loser about that, rage-quitting and
hurling abuse and namecalling at the victor instead of being a gentleman
about it.

[Ken Wesson]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:26:39 +1200, Your Name wrote:

> In article <4f97...@news.x-privat.org>, Ken Wesson <kwe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> There is, indeed, no point wasting any more time on you. If you
>> continue to deny the reality that that was indeed ST:ENT's theme song
>> then there is really nothing I can do for you without certain
>> professional qualifications that I presently lack, except suggest that
>> you pop an Enterprise DVD into your player and run it until the opening
>> titles sequence while not deaf or temporarily obstructing your ears.
>
> Good grief you're thick.

Wrong.

> Nobody said it was not USED as the theme tune.

Wrong again: <YourName-140...@203-118-187-22.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:25:18 +1200, Your Name wrote:

> In article <4f88...@news.x-privat.org>, Ken Wesson <kwe...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>> What are you talking about? I was talking about the Star Trek:
>> Enterprise theme. "It's been a long road, getting from here to
>> there..."
>
> That's not a theme tune ...

You're contradicting yourself.

> We're trying to tell you that it wasn't WRITTEN to be the theme tune ...

Nobody, to my knowledge, has claimed that it was *written* to be the ENT
theme tune, only that it was *used* as such, and that in that context the
lyrics are neither inappropriate nor "random".

Unless you have a valid counterargument to that (and no, "you shithead",
"you're thick", "PLONK", "Fuck off", and etc. do not constitute valid
counterarguments) please give up now.

[Ken Wesson]

You are a sore loser. Rather than simply admit that you were wrong, when
proved wrong in an argument you throw a tantrum and call people names?
And accuse them of *lying*? Wow.

[Ken Wesson]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:08:45 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 25, 12:49 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:47:43 -0700, Duggy wrote:
>> > Shut up, Seamus.
>>
>> If this is the best argument
>> all I can say is "away and boil yer head!"
>
> That may be the best argument you can make, sure.

I made my arguments elsewhere. You didn't have any in response, only name
calling.

> But you can't pretend that the song was written about space travel and
> not seem like an idiot.

How fortunate, then, that I didn't do that.

[Your Name]

You're definitely the thickest moron that it has ever been my misfortune
to deal with ... and this is the Internet, so it takes some doing to reach
that level of stupidity! You're a complete waste of time. :-\

[dx...@albury.nospam.net.au]

Ahh!!! I see!! You type "There are *three* options" and then give three
*variations*.

So the word you type is not necessarily the word you mean!!

Daniel

[anim8rFSK]

In article <YZSmr.1651$j25....@newsfe07.iad>,

God how I hate the line "It's the only option" Just something else
Sheldon Cooper is wrong about.

--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?

[dx...@albury.nospam.net.au]

I didn't think Sheldon was ever wrong.....must watch more!!

Daniel

[anim8rFSK]

In article <7T9nr.167167$KQ2....@newsfe15.iad>,

Sheldon is almost *always* wrong, on all topics. It seems to be an in
joke by the writers. In the beginning of the second episode, he's
lecturing Penny on Superman the Movie and comics, and he's wrong about
what happens in the movie as well as his conclusions. At least in that
one the others were arguing with him.

[Ken Wesson]

Perhaps it seems that way from your, semi-literate perspective.

[Ken Wesson]

> You're definitely the thickest moro<SMACK!>

Rest deleted unread.

Come back when you have a valid counterargument in your quiver rather
than just more name-calling.

[Duggy]

On Apr 30, 11:11 am, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rest deleted unread.

Translation: Ken knows he's wrong but can't admit it.

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

What was I wrong about?

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

You:

"What? That wasn't random. It was obviously relevant to the theme of
gradual advancement of travel technology and an ever-widening range of
exploration. Did you even *listen* to the lyrics?"

No. That was the pictures. The lyrics aren't about that at all.

Read them:

===

It's been a long road

Getting from there to here
It's been a long time
But my time is finally near

And I can feel the change in the wind right now
Nothing's in my way
And they're not gonna hold me down no more
No they're not gonna hold me down

'Cause I've got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I've got faith to believe
I can do anything
I've got strength of the soul
And no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star
I've got faith, I’ve got faith, faith of the heart

It's been a long night
Trying to find my way
Been through the darkness
Now I've finally have my day

And I will see my dream come alive at last
I will touch the sky
And they're not gonna hold me down no more
No they're not gonna change my mind

'Cause I've got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I've got faith to believe
I can do anything
I've got strength of the soul
And no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star
I've got faith, faith of the heart

I've known the wind so cold, and seen the darkest days.
But now the winds I feel, are only winds of change.
I've been through the fire and I've been through the rain.
But I'll be fine.

Cause I've got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I've got faith to believe
I can do anything
I've got strength of the soul
And no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star
I've got faith

I've got faith of the heart.
I'm going where my heart will take me.
I've got strength of the soul. And no one's gonna bend or break me.
I can reach any star. I've got faith, I've got faith, faith of the
heart.

It's been a long road.
===

It's just a random song (originally used in Patch Adams) used for
Enterprise with pictures thrown on top.

===
= DUG.
===

[Duggy]

On Apr 30, 11:09 am, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps it seems that way from your, semi-literate perspective.

Come back when you have a valid counterargument in your quiver rather
than just more name-calling.

===
= DUG.
===

[Ken Wesson]

It's a counterargument TO name-calling so in this instance it IS valid.
Yeesh!

[Ken Wesson]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:37:36 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 30, 11:11 am, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Rest deleted unread.
>
> Translation: Ken knows he's wrong but can't admit it.

Wrong again.

[Ken Wesson]

Your claim that either ENT's theme song was not Faith of the Heart or
else that its lyrics did not start with the phrase I quoted.

[Ken Wesson]

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:44:52 -0700, Duggy wrote:

> On Apr 28, 2:46 pm, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:08:45 -0700, Duggy wrote:
>> > But you can't pretend that the song was written about space travel
>> > and not seem like an idiot.
>> How fortunate, then, that I didn't do that.
>
> You:
> "What? That wasn't random. It was obviously relevant to the theme of
> gradual advancement of travel technology and an ever-widening range of
> exploration. Did you even *listen* to the lyrics?"
>
> No. That was the pictures. The lyrics aren't about that at all.

It's been a long road, getting from here to there. .. I can do
anything ... I can reach any star ... In that context, they certainly
seem to be relevant to that theme.

It's simply *not* the poor fit your side of this debate persistently
claims it to be.

Now admit it and move on.

[Duggy]

I made neither claim.

Find proof I said either or admit you're wrong.

Right now, you're proving yourself a liar and a moron.

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[Duggy]

On Apr 30, 11:57 am, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:38:02 -0700, Duggy wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 11:09 am, Ken Wesson <kwes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Perhaps it seems that way from your, semi-literate perspective.
>
> > Come back when you have a valid counterargument in your quiver rather
> > than just more name-calling.
>
> It's a counterargument TO name-calling

Translation: "He started it, mommy."

> so in this instance it IS valid.
> Yeesh!

Hey, it's been valid everytime someone's called you a moron.

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[Duggy]

Ah, he finally admits it.

And that he's been wrong before.

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