Re: 1st Season Flash Forward - Believe - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
clouddreamer
> "Believe"
> 11-19-09 Flash Forward
>
> 5 stars (Jesus)
>
> 0-1 stars (Judas)
>
> -George
>
>
4.0 + .2 for next weeks preview proving this was a filler to set things
up. But I liked the story.
..
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Obveeus
"clouddreamer" <Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote:
> George Avalos wrote:
>> "Believe"
>> 11-19-09 Flash Forward
>>
>> 5 stars (Jesus)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Judas)
>>
>> -George
>
>
> 4.0 + .2 for next weeks preview proving this was a filler to set things
> up. But I liked the story.
Don't get too excited about the preview for 'next week'. After all, next
week is Thanksgiving (in the USA), so no episode of Flash Forward will air.
I assume that the Canadians will probably have to wait two weeks for thier
next episode as well.
clouddreamer
> In article <he6bv4$9gk$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I assume that the Canadians will probably have to wait two weeks for thier
>> next episode as well.
>
> guy who doesn't understand that his TV schedule is dependent on OUR
> holidays.
>
I was about to post a warning to him....lol
;]
Fred Ellis
> "Believe"
> 11-19-09 Flash Forward
>
> 5 stars (Jesus)
>
> 0-1 stars (Judas)
>
> -George
>
>
I give it 5.0 Stars. I like the part where Dr. Bryce Varley goes all
the way to Japan to try to find the young Japanese girl (Keiko) in his
flashforward only to find out he will meet her in LA. Nice twist.
Fred Ellis
--
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David
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>In article <he65ru$s18$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> jewahe <reg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The soap opera episodes don't work - this shows works best when it's
>> focusing on the mystery and investigation.
>
>You're *kidding*, right? You and David both?
I just thought this episode was weaker than the rest. I like the
characters and my favorite part of the show is how different people
with diverging philosophies react to seeing the future and the
questions and beliefs it raises.
I wouldn't call any episodes of the show "soap episodes." That implies
particular types of storylines and a high level of melodrama, and
while the show does "go there" sometimes, it earns it by coming at it
from a fascinating angle and by having interesting characters.
I don't despise conspiracies the way you do but I'm interested in it
more from the perspective of the people inhabiting this world (the
distrust of China, what Charlie and the British guy will do and how
will people react to them) than I am in what the reveal will be.
Obveeus
"KC" <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:45:54 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Didn't they also reveal to us (or just try to fake us out) who it was that
>>was drowning her? I think it was the guy that lost the Texas Hold 'em
>>card
>>game that said he was drowning someone in his Flash Forward, wasn't it?
>>In
>>any case, I'm still not convinced that she was being drowned. Maybe she
>>was
>>just getting baptized by a really zealous priest?
>
> In Simon's FF, he was strangling a man. During the card game, there's
> this exchange:
>
> SIMON: [deeper smugness] You see, I knew you were bluffing this entire
> time. You know why? Because there's no such thing as luck or fate or
> "There but for the grace of God." This game is pointless. I've already
> won. The future's already happened.
I took this to mean that Simon wasn't worried about losing the card game
because something in his Flash Forward convinced him that his secret (how he
helped 'cause' the Flash Forward) was not something that the general public
found out about. Of course, that is the problem with these people and their
Flash Forwards: they don't necessarily interpret them correctly.
> Personally, I think it's far too early (and Nicole's FF is far too
> short and vague) to say for sure that Simon is drowning Nicole, let
> alone to know why.
...and that is exactly how the writers want it. They want suspense and they
want to keep the viewer guessing.
KC
>
>"KC" <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:45:54 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>Didn't they also reveal to us (or just try to fake us out) who it was that
>>>was drowning her? I think it was the guy that lost the Texas Hold 'em
>>>card
>>>game that said he was drowning someone in his Flash Forward, wasn't it?
>>>In
>>>any case, I'm still not convinced that she was being drowned. Maybe she
>>>was
>>>just getting baptized by a really zealous priest?
>>
>> In Simon's FF, he was strangling a man. During the card game, there's
>> this exchange:
>>
>> SIMON: [deeper smugness] You see, I knew you were bluffing this entire
>> time. You know why? Because there's no such thing as luck or fate or
>> "There but for the grace of God." This game is pointless. I've already
>> won. The future's already happened.
>
>I took this to mean that Simon wasn't worried about losing the card game
>because something in his Flash Forward convinced him that his secret (how he
>helped 'cause' the Flash Forward) was not something that the general public
>found out about. Of course, that is the problem with these people and their
>Flash Forwards: they don't necessarily interpret them correctly.
It irritates me that none of the characters have any in-depth
discussions about the FFs. Now, some people just don't want to talk
about it, give it any credence, or aren't the type to analyze these
things, but I'd like to see just one scene where people do some
brainstorming. At this point, characters describe their FF mostly in
terms of their interpretation (as opposed to just relating the
details) and no one really questions that interpretation. Look at
Bryce; he's assumes his FF occurs in Tokyo, so he flies there instead
of first checking to see if any LA restaurants use the "Believe"
symbol in their logo. I'd like to have seen a scene where he and
Nicole at least consider that possibility, perhaps Google it. Then,
not finding it, he flies to Tokyo. A small detail, but I think small
details are important in this kind of show.
>
>> Personally, I think it's far too early (and Nicole's FF is far too
>> short and vague) to say for sure that Simon is drowning Nicole, let
>> alone to know why.
>
>...and that is exactly how the writers want it. They want suspense and they
>want to keep the viewer guessing.
>
And they love misdirection. I think it's safe to assume that anything
that seems obvious now is the wrong answer!
KC
Ian Galbraith
> Ian Galbraith sent the following on 11/30/2009 8:59 PM:
>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:36:47 -0600, Jim Gysin wrote:
>>
>>> Dawnie sent the following on 11/24/2009 8:30 PM:
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Actually, it's not because of the time travel bit or crossover actors
>>>> at all, it's because IMHO the human stories in LOST and the character
>>>> interactions are a lot more realistic and well-written than in FF.
>>> I agree that the FF writers should be studying from the LOST masters,
>>> but that speaks more to the fact that FF is compared unfavorably, rather
>>> than to the tendency to compare in the first place.
>>>
>>> I'm referring to the fact that the shows were being compared even before
>>> FF began to air, which I think was due largely to the aforementioned
>>> casting choices and use of time travel.
>>
>> I actually see similarities in the structure of the 2 series but FF has a
>> different emphasis.
>
> What difference are you seeing?
More focus on the conspiracies and less on the characters.
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satisfaction. Past warmth or cold or comfort. Past love. But past
surprise? What an endlessly unfolding tedium life would then become." -
Deadwood
Little Green Man
> Barry Margolin wrote:
> > In article <he6bv4$9g...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> I assume that the Canadians will probably have to wait two weeks for thier
> >> next episode as well.
>
> > Ugh, that means next week we'll get a flood of posts from that [insult
> > deleted]
No, Barry is the stupid one.
None of the nasty things that Barry has said or implied about me are
at all true.