What did you watch? 2013-03-17 (Sunday)

[Ubiquitous]

On Saint Patrick's Day, I watched:

THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF ATLANTA:
Kandi has a housewarming for the foreclosure she bought and renovated.
That girl likes to talk about sex but is very good with her money!
Meanwhile, crazy Kenya claims she's over Walter but talks about him
constantly. I can't stand that crazy bitch.

FAMILY GUY
Peter befriends a Moslem who turns out to be a terrorist.

BOB'S BURGERS
Tina has two prom dates.

BAR RESCUE
Jon Taffer visits The Kasbah, a hip-hop bar plagued with problems
involving managment and customers. The biggest problem was that it's a
hip-hop bar, obviously.

THE WALKING DEAD:
Andrea decides to leave town and defect to Rick's group, unarmed and on
foot, and is pursued by The Governor all the way, despite traveling
off-road and at one point, leaving him for dead in a stagger of walkers.
She reaches the prison, only to be grabbed from behind by The Governor
just steps away from being seen by Rick. How convenient!

What did you watch?

--
"Right now, the president is not solving the budget chaos because he
doesn't want to cut federal spending. That's the truth. And the spinners
are misleading you. They are lying to you. That makes me angry. So you
saw that and will most likely see it again in the future."
-- Bill O'Reilly

[Ian J. Ball]

In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> What did you watch?

Surprisingly little:

The Soup (recorded) - The episode from 02/21. Despite one pointless
cameo, this episode was mostly pretty good, with decent clips.

Gosh, is there anything more heartwarming than a story about 4 girls,
and their friendship, and their adventures with their "traveling
pants"?! (How are "traveling pants" different from "regular pants",
anyway?!...)
Yeah, that's right - I was desperate enough to procrastinate on
grading that I actually watched the "Traveling Pants" movies. I've
actually seen the first one before, and I only saw the last part of it
anyway, so I'll skip that one.
But I did sit through "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2" (ABC Fam)
for the first time yesterday. It's interesting - it seems like they
skipped at least one summer(/book?) with this movie, bypassing the
obvious chance to do a trilogy (apparently, they weren't going to hold
this cast together through 3 movies, as it's been apparent that at least
some of these actresses don't like each other in media interviews...).
Anyway, the second one is weaker than the first, I thought, because
the second one is *way* too America Ferrera-centric (they should have
just called this one "Latina Sister of the Traveling Pants"!), to the
point where I swear Ferrera sidekick Rachel Nichols (gosh, I think she's
been in virtually everything I've watched over the last 2 weeks - "G.I.
Joe", "The Woods", "Continuum", and now this!!) got as much screentime
as the other three ostensible "leads". Further, Amber Tamblyn got a
totally bogus story in this one (unlike the first one). Interestingly,
Lucy Hale (very young here, looking as unrecognizable in this as she did
on "Ned's Declassified..." - she must have "aged" later in life, by the
time she was in "Privileged"...) is in this one, playing Alexis Bledel's
sister, Effie, a character I think was totally missing from the first
movie!

The NCAA Tournament Selection Show - Oregon got totally, completely, and
ridiculously *hosed* here - in fact, the whole Pac-10 did. That's OK -
UCLA usually does well when these jokers predict that they'll go out in
the first round... [eg]

Once Upon a Time - I thought this episode was actually a good one,
because the heavy use of the flashbacks to explain the background Ethan
Embry's character (and the "beginnings" of Storybrooke) was actually a
good choice for once (John Pyper-Ferguson shows up again! - he's been
busy this TV season!!). I'm still trying to figure out who Embry's
character was talking to on the phone in an earlier episode, though...

Revenge - And this is getting silly again. Firstly, I could really do
without the introduction of RealAmanda's "foster brother" (I don't care
about this character!...), though the specific background on how Amanda
was put in juvie was actually welcome. Secondly, the show once again
laughably moves the goalpoasts, with Amanda about to take real revenge
on the Graysons (finally!!) but at the last second being thwarted by a
heretofore unreferenced "super-hacker" who can put even Nolan to shame.
Come on, guys - it's like you're not even *trying*... >:/

Recorded for later: Army Wives (I figured I'd watch the Claudia Joy
funeral episode, as at least Pamela (Brigid Brannagh) is set to
return...), The Mentalist, and Vikings (I'll be able to watch a
mini-marathon of this over Spring Break! :> ).

--
"Surf-crazed aliens... Of course." - Amber, "Alien Surf Girls",
Episode #1.1, "Wipeout".
Wait a minute... "Of course"?! "*Of course*"?!! Did I miss a step here??!!

[Tony Calguire]

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote in news:ijball-NO_SPAM-
4FF37E.064...@news.eternal-september.org:

> The NCAA Tournament Selection Show - Oregon got totally, completely, and
> ridiculously *hosed* here - in fact, the whole Pac-10 did. That's OK -
> UCLA usually does well when these jokers predict that they'll go out in
> the first round... [eg]
>

Hey! Tubby's team knocked off number one a few weeks ago!

[Obveeus]

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> The NCAA Tournament Selection Show - Oregon got totally, completely, and
> ridiculously *hosed* here - in fact, the whole Pac-10 did. That's OK -
> UCLA usually does well when these jokers predict that they'll go out in
> the first round... [eg]

You are kidding, right? The PAC-12 has been mediocre this year. Arizona
and Oregon started out fantastically, but have dwindled away just as they
have reached the part of the season that matters. California looked like it
was really starting to put things together late in the season, but then
stumbled badly in their last few games. Colorado is lucky that they were
even picked for the tournament, I guess based upon the quality of their
losses? UCLA...you may love them, but they lost their best player in the
PAC-12 Tournament and as a result won't be getting far in the NCAA
Tournament.

[Obveeus]

"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> What did you watch?

VIKINGS: Another episode that was mostly boring. The biggest fault I'm
finding with the series so far is that it has done nothing to convince me
that the Viking Chieftain would be able to get away with anything he is
doing. If the show is going to pretend that the Vikings live under some
over-controlling ruler, then they need to show him with an army of loyal
subjects rather than just a few minions that are the weakest of the bunch.
As it stands, I haven't seen any reason why Ragnar and his men would kowtow
to the Chieftain.

[Ian J. Ball]

In article
<ijball-NO_SPAM-4FF...@news.eternal-september.org>,

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
> > What did you watch?
>
> Surprisingly little:

I forgot one:

Broken Trust (LMN) - This was a thoroughly silly entry, starring Laura
Vandervoort, in the "plucky young lawyer girl gets herself embroiled in
a huge conspiracy" genre, that broke absolutely no new ground... - well,
actually, that's not totally true: I didn't recognize the guy that
played Vandervoort's cop ex-fiance (Shawn Roberts), though apparently he
shows up in the later "Resident Evil" movies playing the villainous
Albert Weskler (and also apparently was on "Degrassi" some years back,
though I *barely* remember him!!). Anyway, this was pretty
par-for-the-course for this kind of flick on LMN, and I saw the
"surprise twist" coming a mile away... :/

Huh, maybe I watched more than I thought, yesterday!

[tenworld]

On Monday, March 18, 2013 7:21:09 AM UTC-7, Obveeus wrote:

> "Ubiquitous" wrote:
> VIKINGS: Another episode that was mostly boring. The biggest fault I'm
> finding with the series so far is that it has done nothing to convince me
> that the Viking Chieftain would be able to get away with anything he is
> doing. If the show is going to pretend that the Vikings live under some
> over-controlling ruler, then they need to show him with an army of loyal
> subjects rather than just a few minions that are the weakest of the bunch.
> As it stands, I haven't seen any reason why Ragnar and his men would kowtow
> to the Chieftain.

I think the big historical question about the Vikings was why they suddenly burst on the scene (ie Europe, English Coast) and were so effective so quickly. This show is trying to show that as a change from a feudal state to a free agent, every captain a king, way of living. I agree it is a little slow but I like that they at least explore how the boat technology was a key. The raid on the monastery got a lot of exagerated press (the 800AD version of FOXTV)
but it did convince them that there were a lot of opportunities in Dark Ages Europe.

[icebreaker]

Army Wives -- last night's and a week ago's. So they faked the viewer out
with the transport plane carrying all the troops having problems, and
instead it's Claudia Joy who dies while overseas on a trip with the First
Lady. Claudia Joy's diabetes really took its toll it a very short time. I
must say I've never seen or heard of that happening as quickly as it did on
Army Wives. This brings Roxy (with 2 babies in tow), Pamela, and Emmalin
back home. This first one was mostly a Pamela Joy flashback episode with
each character getting his/her flashbacks with Claudia. In the most recent
episode, Emmalin is worried about her Dad as he's grieving but she finally
returns to college. Roland announces he's moving and three new wives get
introduced. The first is Maggie (Tori DeVitto) a leatherclad, motorcycle
riding former airborne remarried to another soldier with a 2 kid blended
family stuck in a one room motel awaiting base housing. The second military
wife is Latasha (Ashanti). The third is a waif-like, pie-baking, newlywed
(Elle McLemore) whose husband (Jesse McCartney not yet introduced) is in
Hector's platoon. The gals get acquainted and bonded to one another via a
bar fight at Hump Bar just before Roxy leaves town once again.

The Good Wife -- a little change of pace as this one unfolds with a
coroner's inquest over the death of an IL Supreme Court justice. It made it
seem as though the inquest occurred immediately after the accident. The
antagonist is Marshall Marshall as an insurance rep hell bent on not paying
out the policy. The new investigator working with Kalinda is growing on me.
Eli manages to get rid of a thorn in his side, and Cary does very well at
work impressing Diane. We also learn whether Peter makes it through the
primary.

The Mentalist -- case of the week involving a military medic that is
murdered and a traumatic brain injury soldier with repeating short-term
memory loss.

Californication and House of Lies -- neither of which is really worth taking
time to recap.

Shameless -- Frank new roommate works for the City which has partners'
benefits so Frank wants to use his medical, but the City makes partners live
together for a year. Frank goes to a politician's stump and makes a scene
and becomes a hero to gays which shower the Clan with gift baskets. Steve
isn't excelling as a barista and considers a career change. Fi gets a good
job which makes her think better about herself. Lip does both Karen and
Mandy and settles on Mandy with Karen later stepping into the path of a car
which splats her. A heartbroken Ian learns Mickey is going to marry the
whore he impregnated. I think it's the same one his father hired to eff the
gay out of him.

[Capricorne]

>
> The Good Wife -- a little change of pace as this one unfolds with a coroner's
> inquest over the death of an IL Supreme Court justice.

I wonder if it's true they are allowed only 3 questions.

[erilar]

In article <ki77pd$ji8$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

That's because historically they'd have offed that "earl" instead.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[Obveeus]

Yes, not historically accurate, but my point was more along the lines of his
position not working as a plotline because he doesn't seem to have
significant forces/loyalty to coerce the people the way we are seeing on
screen.

[Mason Barge]

60 MINUTES
Erased it as soon as I saw the teasers.

Grade: DNF

WALKING DEAD
An improvement over last week, but still poor. Did they
change head producers again?

Grade: C-

[BTR1701]

In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> THE WALKING DEAD:
> Andrea decides to leave town and defect to Rick's group, unarmed and on
> foot, and is pursued by The Governor all the way, despite traveling
> off-road and at one point, leaving him for dead in a stagger of walkers.
> She reaches the prison, only to be grabbed from behind by The Governor
> just steps away from being seen by Rick. How convenient!

How the hell did Gov get Andrea out of there-- presumably kicking and
struggling-- without being seen by Rick?

[William December Starr]

In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,

Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> said:

> "Right now, the president is not solving the budget chaos because
> he doesn't want to cut federal spending. That's the truth. And the
> spinners are misleading you. They are lying to you. That makes me
> angry. So you saw that and will most likely see it again in the
> future."
>
> -- Bill O'Reilly

If that makes him angry, imagine what being disintegrated would do
to him.

-- wds

[David Barnett]

In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,
web...@polaris.net says...
>
> What did you watch?

Last night I watched:

THE GOOD WIFE: Runnin' With The Devil
Kalinda gets an assistant, otherwise nothing remarkable
afaiac.

TOUCH: Ghosts
Some murky action with the devil priest.
Not sure whether he was killed or not, but I think not.
Jake communicates with the above villain, & also with the
abducted girl. Why won't he communicate with his father -
won't or can't.

This morning, Tue Mar 19, I watched

REVENGE: Penance
Well behind the US, but will catch up a bit when we come
to your 2 week hiatus.

I am at present watching:

ONCE UPON A TIME: Welcome to Storybrooke
after which I will read the posts on it, and the I am
going out for the day.

--
David Barnett

[EGK]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:27:29 +1100, David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:

>TOUCH: Ghosts
>Some murky action with the devil priest.
>Not sure whether he was killed or not, but I think not.
>Jake communicates with the above villain, & also with the
>abducted girl. Why won't he communicate with his father -
>won't or can't.

I think this season has been better than last but it's getting ridiculous
now. They have the girl communicating with Jake to the point she can tell
what's happening to him but can't tell Jake where she is? They have to go
through some Rube Goldberg scenario to find that.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

>
> Shameless -- Frank new roommate works for the City which has partners'
> benefits so Frank wants to use his medical, but the City makes partners
> live together for a year. Frank goes to a politician's stump and makes a
> scene and becomes a hero to gays which shower the Clan with gift
> baskets. Steve isn't excelling as a barista and considers a career
> change. Fi gets a good job which makes her think better about herself.
> Lip does both Karen and Mandy and settles on Mandy with Karen later
> stepping into the path of a car which splats her. A heartbroken Ian
> learns Mickey is going to marry the whore he impregnated. I think it's
> the same one his father hired to eff the gay out of him.

I missed that. How much time passed since the last episode? Is it
confirmed she's actually pregnant?

[anim8rFSK]

In article <atropos-CA94EA...@news-europe.giganews.com>,

Same way the walkers snuck up on the stuck car last week.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[~consul]

'tis on this 3/18/2013 7:45 PM, wrote EGK thus to say:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:27:29 +1100, David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au>

>> TOUCH: Ghosts
>> Some murky action with the devil priest.
>> Not sure whether he was killed or not, but I think not.
>> Jake communicates with the above villain, & also with the
>> abducted girl. Why won't he communicate with his father -
>> won't or can't.
> I think this season has been better than last but it's getting ridiculous
> now. They have the girl communicating with Jake to the point she can tell
> what's happening to him but can't tell Jake where she is? They have to go
> through some Rube Goldberg scenario to find that.

IS she talking to him or just doing the same as we do, "yelling at the TV" which she does by reading the codes that she and Jake both write out? That's the gist of what I got. Those numbers and patterns let them predict whatever it needs. The more worrying part is the mental jedi trick that Jake was doing to the killer that was following him.
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>

[BTR1701]

In article <anim8rfsk-0FD7C...@news.easynews.com>,

Well, the roamers have obviously inherited CSI Horatio's teleportation
powers by turning him down in Miami. That doesn't explain how living
people like Gov can do that shit.

[EGK]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:30:38 -0400, ~consul
<con...@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com> wrote:

>'tis on this 3/18/2013 7:45 PM, wrote EGK thus to say:
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:27:29 +1100, David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au>
>>> TOUCH: Ghosts
>>> Some murky action with the devil priest.
>>> Not sure whether he was killed or not, but I think not.
>>> Jake communicates with the above villain, & also with the
>>> abducted girl. Why won't he communicate with his father -
>>> won't or can't.
>> I think this season has been better than last but it's getting ridiculous
>> now. They have the girl communicating with Jake to the point she can tell
>> what's happening to him but can't tell Jake where she is? They have to go
>> through some Rube Goldberg scenario to find that.
>
>IS she talking to him or just doing the same as we do, "yelling at the TV" which she does by reading the codes that she and Jake both write out? That's the gist of what I got. Those numbers and patterns let them predict whatever it needs. The more worrying part is the mental jedi trick that Jake was doing to the killer that was following him.

Well, she sure seemed to be able to see exactly what was going on. At one
point she even said something like, "Jake, there's another way". I just
find it silly now that they can seem to see the future but can't tell one
another their location.

[Nobody]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:30:38 -0400, ~consul
<con...@dolphinsTAKEAWAY-cove.com> wrote:

>'tis on this 3/18/2013 7:45 PM, wrote EGK thus to say:
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:27:29 +1100, David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au>
>>> TOUCH: Ghosts
>>> Some murky action with the devil priest.
>>> Not sure whether he was killed or not, but I think not.

To think I was all happy that Martin had gone all Jack Bauer on the
priest, in the hope that we'd finally see the last of him and his
religious serial-killer nonsense! But no, the priest isn't dead, he
was shown limping down a back alley, he spread open his shirt to
reveal he was wearing a vest. And that was just one of the many
ridiculous parts of the episode.

>>> Jake communicates with the above villain, & also with the
>>> abducted girl. Why won't he communicate with his father -
>>> won't or can't.
>> I think this season has been better than last but it's getting ridiculous

My thoughts exactly. It's been better because of the Amelia arc that
held the episodes together, while last season was mostly standalones.

>> now. They have the girl communicating with Jake to the point she can tell
>> what's happening to him but can't tell Jake where she is? They have to go
>> through some Rube Goldberg scenario to find that.

This was the first we were actually shown that they can communicate
with each other in non-traditional ways, right? IIRC in an earlier
episode where they met at the pier, it was Jake using a friend's
cellphone to call her and he had to press the keypad to indicate time
and place.

>IS she talking to him or just doing the same as we do, "yelling at the
>TV" which she does by reading the codes that she and Jake both write

Apparently there's some mental connection. She was telling Jake that
the number was 26, and he "heard" her and corrected his scribblings.
The same with the priest who "heard" him, and we only know that
because the priest spoke his responses aloud. That's what I got,
anyway.

>out? That's the gist of what I got. Those numbers and patterns let
>them predict whatever it needs. The more worrying part is the mental
>jedi trick that Jake was doing to the killer that was following him.

If these connections between the 39 actually exist so they can
communicate in such non-traditional ways, they'd better start moving
the Amelia arc along or I'm going to be pissed.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <atropos-D190DD...@news-europe.giganews.com>,

BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <anim8rfsk-0FD7C...@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <atropos-CA94EA...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> > BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > > Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > THE WALKING DEAD:
> > > > Andrea decides to leave town and defect to Rick's group, unarmed and on
> > > > foot, and is pursued by The Governor all the way, despite traveling
> > > > off-road and at one point, leaving him for dead in a stagger of walkers.
> > > > She reaches the prison, only to be grabbed from behind by The Governor
> > > > just steps away from being seen by Rick. How convenient!
> > >
> > > How the hell did Gov get Andrea out of there-- presumably kicking and
> > > struggling-- without being seen by Rick?
> >
> > Same way the walkers snuck up on the stuck car last week.
>
> Well, the roamers have obviously inherited CSI Horatio's teleportation
> powers by turning him down in Miami. That doesn't explain how living
> people like Gov can do that shit.

He's dead inside?

This is what he was studying the heads for?

[Hunter]

-----
Maybe knocked her out and dragged her, maybe put a gun to her back.

------>Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907

[suzeeq]

That episode was 3-4 weeks ago, and in show time probably twice that
much. The kids were taken away for about a week, the episode with Uncle
Patrick trying to take away the house was over several days. So it's
been a good deal of time since Mickey was forced to have sex with the
girl. If she was a real pro though, she'd have some form of birth
control; I thought she was just a some girl his dad found, but a hooker
would make sense.

[EGK]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:27:31 GMT, Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> (Hunter)
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:18:52 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> THE WALKING DEAD:
>>> Andrea decides to leave town and defect to Rick's group, unarmed and on
>>> foot, and is pursued by The Governor all the way, despite traveling
>>> off-road and at one point, leaving him for dead in a stagger of walkers.
>>> She reaches the prison, only to be grabbed from behind by The Governor
>>> just steps away from being seen by Rick. How convenient!
>>
>>How the hell did Gov get Andrea out of there-- presumably kicking and
>>struggling-- without being seen by Rick?
>-----
>Maybe knocked her out and dragged her, maybe put a gun to her back.

I was wondering more how he got her back in to Woodbury and strapped down in
the torture chair without anyone noticing her kicking and screaming. They
showed him being greeted by people as he drove up seemingly alone.

People in Woodbury are apparently free to wander around the streets
whenever they want. Unless it's at a point in time where the plot requires
they not wake up from their stupor and see the Governor for what he really
is.

[David Barnett]

In article <ki7fik$44o$1...@dont-email.me>,
icebr...@anywherebuthere.com says...
<snip>.

>
> The Good Wife -- a little change of pace as this one unfolds with a
> coroner's inquest over the death of an IL Supreme Court justice. It made it
> seem as though the inquest occurred immediately after the accident. The
> antagonist is Marshall Marshall as an insurance rep hell bent on not paying
> out the policy. The new investigator working with Kalinda is growing on me.
> Eli manages to get rid of a thorn in his side, and Cary does very well at
> work impressing Diane. We also learn whether Peter makes it through the
> primary.

I also liked the episode.

--
David Barnett

[David Barnett]

In article <aqp3if...@mid.individual.net>,
capri...@gmail.com says...

>
> >
> > The Good Wife -- a little change of pace as this one unfolds with a coroner's
> > inquest over the death of an IL Supreme Court justice.
>
>
> I wonder if it's true they are allowed only 3 questions.

That did seem strange to me.
I think it was just Odo's rules.

--
David Barnett

[David Barnett]

In article <ik9fk89jie9tueih9...@4ax.com>,
m...@privacy.net says...

I agree with the ridiculous, but I will continue to watch.

--
David Barnett

[anim8rFSK]

In article
<ijball-NO_SPAM-4FF...@news.eternal-september.org>,

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>

> > What did you watch?
>
> Surprisingly little:
>

> The Soup (recorded) - The episode from 02/21. Despite one pointless
> cameo, this episode was mostly pretty good, with decent clips.
>
> Gosh, is there anything more heartwarming than a story about 4 girls,
> and their friendship, and their adventures with their "traveling
> pants"?! (How are "traveling pants" different from "regular pants",
> anyway?!...)

"the novels tell the continuing story of four young girls who acquire a
pair of jeans that fit all four of them perfectly, even though they are
all different shapes and sizes."

Yeah, if I had any inclination to sample this, it would end right there.

[Hunter]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 08:46:17 -0700 (PDT), tenworld <t...@world.std.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, March 18, 2013 7:21:09 AM UTC-7, Obveeus wrote:
>> "Ubiquitous" wrote:

>> VIKINGS: Another episode that was mostly boring. The biggest fault I'm=
>=20
>> finding with the series so far is that it has done nothing to convince me=
>=20
>> that the Viking Chieftain would be able to get away with anything he is=
>=20
>> doing. If the show is going to pretend that the Vikings live under some=
>=20
>> over-controlling ruler, then they need to show him with an army of loyal=
>=20
>> subjects rather than just a few minions that are the weakest of the bunch=
>.=20
>> As it stands, I haven't seen any reason why Ragnar and his men would kowt=
>ow=20
>> to the Chieftain.
>
>I think the big historical question about the Vikings was why they suddenly=
> burst on the scene (ie Europe, English Coast) and were so effective so qui=
>ckly.
----
Western Europe really since the Vikings were raiding northeastern
Europe for years before they attacked England.

>This show is trying to show that as a change from a feudal state to =

>a free agent, every captain a king, way of living.

----
I wouldn't say that. The Vikings weren't Feudal in that the people
weren't bound to the lord since he owned all the land. They owned and
till their own land. The Chieftain was supposed to be first among
equals but we all know how power has a way of being seized so the
rough democracy that the Vikings had in some jurisdictions-these were
basically groupings of tribes and not a unified state-was eroded
somewhat.
>
> I agree it is a little =
>slow but I like that they at least explore how the boat technology was a ke=
>y. The raid on the monastery got a lot of exagerated press (the 800AD vers=
>ion of FOXTV)
>but it did convince them that there were a lot of opportunities in Dark Age=
>s Europe.
------
Well, there is no denying that the Christians were the victims here.
And the atrocities reports were consistent all through northern
Europe, just like the Mongol Horde was in South Central and Eastern
Europe.

The Vikings did engage in peaceful trade but they did launch a lot of
barbaric attacks. We are not used to thinking of Christians as
victims, certainly not after the Roman Empire became Christian in the
4th century AD IIRC but in those remote spots in Northern Europe they
were.

Yes the Christians would later go on to victimize other cultures,
ironically much the same way as they were by the Vikings. The Spanish
Conquistadors against he Native Americans like the Aztecs, Inca, Maya
comes to mind (as a side note 200 years after the time of Ragnar
Lothbroke the still pagan Norsemen would have a go a the Indians in
North America for awhile) but in this time period it was the
Christians at peaceful remote outpost who were the easy pickings by
the Vikings. The Vikings were successful taking over large parts of
what is now England Wales and Scotland not to mention Northern France
leaving their mark on the people's there. Empire Building is never
pretty.

And personally I don't think the show is slow at all. If one is
interested in Viking life besides the raids I think there is more than
enough action.

[Ubiquitous]

buffh...@my-deja.com wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:18:52 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

>>> THE WALKING DEAD:
>>> Andrea decides to leave town and defect to Rick's group, unarmed and on
>>> foot, and is pursued by The Governor all the way, despite traveling
>>> off-road and at one point, leaving him for dead in a stagger of walkers.
>>> She reaches the prison, only to be grabbed from behind by The Governor
>>> just steps away from being seen by Rick. How convenient!
>>
>>How the hell did Gov get Andrea out of there-- presumably kicking and
>>struggling-- without being seen by Rick?

I _think_ we're sppsd to think Rick thought he was hallucinating when he saw
her.

>Maybe knocked her out and dragged her, maybe put a gun to her back.

He must have put her in the car trunk to get her back into Woodbury unseen.

--

[Ubiquitous]

In article <720hk8pmnf91r68qa...@4ax.com>, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> (Hunter) wrote:
>>On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:18:52 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

>>>> THE WALKING DEAD:
>>>> Andrea decides to leave town and defect to Rick's group, unarmed and on
>>>> foot, and is pursued by The Governor all the way, despite traveling
>>>> off-road and at one point, leaving him for dead in a stagger of walkers.
>>>> She reaches the prison, only to be grabbed from behind by The Governor
>>>> just steps away from being seen by Rick. How convenient!
>>>
>>>How the hell did Gov get Andrea out of there-- presumably kicking and
>>>struggling-- without being seen by Rick?
>>-----
>>Maybe knocked her out and dragged her, maybe put a gun to her back.
>
>I was wondering more how he got her back in to Woodbury and strapped down in
>the torture chair without anyone noticing her kicking and screaming. They
>showed him being greeted by people as he drove up seemingly alone.

I wondered if perhaps he has a "summer cottage" outside of Woodbury...

>People in Woodbury are apparently free to wander around the streets
>whenever they want. Unless it's at a point in time where the plot requires
>they not wake up from their stupor and see the Governor for what he really is.

Yes, it's starting to get roidiculous.
Hey! Maybe it was Martinez who burned the Walkers?

[Hunter]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:15:15 -0400, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:27:31 GMT, Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> (Hunter)
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:18:52 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <ki6mr7$nb6$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> THE WALKING DEAD:
>>>> Andrea decides to leave town and defect to Rick's group, unarmed and on
>>>> foot, and is pursued by The Governor all the way, despite traveling
>>>> off-road and at one point, leaving him for dead in a stagger of walkers.
>>>> She reaches the prison, only to be grabbed from behind by The Governor
>>>> just steps away from being seen by Rick. How convenient!
>>>
>>>How the hell did Gov get Andrea out of there-- presumably kicking and
>>>struggling-- without being seen by Rick?
>>-----
>>Maybe knocked her out and dragged her, maybe put a gun to her back.
>
>I was wondering more how he got her back in to Woodbury and strapped down in
>the torture chair without anyone noticing her kicking and screaming. They
>showed him being greeted by people as he drove up seemingly alone.

-----
In the back seat bound and gaged and probably unconscious. Martinez
isn't going to look in the governor's truck in an obvious way as if
they were looking for contraband and the windows were tinted anyway.

And when Martinez told him about the Georgia Fried Walker BBQ pit he
told Martinez to take the likely suspects Tyreese and his sister and
the father and son to the store, so Martinez wasn't even there at the
time Philip took Andrea out of the pick up.

Also if you saw the exterior of the building his torture chamber when
the Governor pulled up being greeted by Martinez the entrance is not,
for lack of a better term, on the main street of Woodbury, but in a
warehouse way from it and out of the way.

>
> People in Woodbury are apparently free to wander around the streets
>whenever they want. Unless it's at a point in time where the plot requires
>they not wake up from their stupor and see the Governor for what he really
>is.

------
As mentioned above the entrance to the warehouse where he got Andrea
out of the truck is not on Woodbury's main steet but the warehouse
loading dock.

And even if it was on the main street being the Governor he could
order people away from the entrance or find an excuse to keep them
away if he wanted to be more subtle.

[EGK]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:55:31 GMT, Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> (Hunter)

LOL Typical Hunter excuses for the writing. You know Woodbury isn't
exactly grand central station after the zombie apocalypse. Vehicles coming
and going would probably be a huge deal for everyone living there. Except
when the writers don't want people milling around.

[Hunter]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:30:31 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:

>buffh...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:18:52 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>>>> THE WALKING DEAD:
>>>> Andrea decides to leave town and defect to Rick's group, unarmed and on
>>>> foot, and is pursued by The Governor all the way, despite traveling
>>>> off-road and at one point, leaving him for dead in a stagger of walkers.
>>>> She reaches the prison, only to be grabbed from behind by The Governor
>>>> just steps away from being seen by Rick. How convenient!
>>>
>>>How the hell did Gov get Andrea out of there-- presumably kicking and
>>>struggling-- without being seen by Rick?
>
>I _think_ we're sppsd to think Rick thought he was hallucinating when he saw
>her.

----
That could be true too. And besides the place the Governor and Andrea
was at was thick with foliage and Rick was maybe as much as a quarter
mile away looking through a rifle telescopic sight only part of the
time so it wasn't automatic that he should've saw them.

>
>>Maybe knocked her out and dragged her, maybe put a gun to her back.
>
>He must have put her in the car trunk to get her back into Woodbury unseen.

-----
Yes almost exactly but it was the back seat of his tan pickup truck.
Note when Martinez greeted him at the tgate when he came back The
Governor only rolled the tinted drivers side window part of the way
down. And since the truck was pretty high Martinez had to look up at
the governor just like a child to a standing adult so he couldn't have
seen inside.

[erilar]

I just got around to actually beginning to watch ep 3. I don't care how
much drama they think this totally fictional and unViking earl "adds"
to the story. This part of the show is simply sickening.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[erilar]

In article <ki7oea$ttl$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "erilar" <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <ki77pd$ji8$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>

> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > What did you watch?
> >>
> >>

> >> VIKINGS: Another episode that was mostly boring. The biggest fault I'm

> >> finding with the series so far is that it has done nothing to convince me

> >> that the Viking Chieftain would be able to get away with anything he is

> >> doing. If the show is going to pretend that the Vikings live under some

> >> over-controlling ruler, then they need to show him with an army of loyal

> >> subjects rather than just a few minions that are the weakest of the

> >> bunch.

> >> As it stands, I haven't seen any reason why Ragnar and his men would

> >> kowtow
> >> to the Chieftain.
> >
> > That's because historically they'd have offed that "earl" instead.
>
> Yes, not historically accurate, but my point was more along the lines of his
> position not working as a plotline because he doesn't seem to have
> significant forces/loyalty to coerce the people the way we are seeing on
> screen.

Exactly. No way. Never. And just silly.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[Remysun]

On Mar 18, 5:32 am, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> BAR RESCUE

> Jon Taffer visits The Kasbah, a hip-hopbarplagued with problems
> involving managment and customers. The biggest problem was that it's a
> hip-hopbar, obviously.

Did you actually see the episode? It was much cooler than the Mystique
episode, with the science about making every third song Rihanna and
frozen towels stopping catfights. The science is what makes the show
the best restaurant save in town, and the stuff they showed was
brilliant.

[Hunter]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:21:09 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> What did you watch?
>
>
>VIKINGS: Another episode that was mostly boring. The biggest fault I'm
>finding with the series so far is that it has done nothing to convince me
>that the Viking Chieftain would be able to get away with anything he is
>doing. If the show is going to pretend that the Vikings live under some
>over-controlling ruler, then they need to show him with an army of loyal
>subjects rather than just a few minions that are the weakest of the bunch.
>As it stands, I haven't seen any reason why Ragnar and his men would kowtow
>to the Chieftain.

-----
The Earl has an army. We may not have seen it but it is aluded to,
especially when Ragnar was arrested near the dock and after the Earl
was forced to aquit him due to Rolo's testimony that Knute was indeed
tried to rape Ragnar's wife the Earl's men attacked were Ragnar was
celebrating. There were about five or so of them. Of course Ragnar's
friends and family took care of them but to be sure there are more
than that where they came from.

[Obveeus]

"Hunter (Hunter)" <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5158d463....@news.optonline.net...

> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:21:09 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What did you watch?
>>
>>
>>VIKINGS: Another episode that was mostly boring. The biggest fault I'm
>>finding with the series so far is that it has done nothing to convince me
>>that the Viking Chieftain would be able to get away with anything he is
>>doing. If the show is going to pretend that the Vikings live under some
>>over-controlling ruler, then they need to show him with an army of loyal
>>subjects rather than just a few minions that are the weakest of the bunch.
>>As it stands, I haven't seen any reason why Ragnar and his men would
>>kowtow
>>to the Chieftain.
> -----
> The Earl has an army. We may not have seen it but it is aluded to,
> especially when Ragnar was arrested near the dock and after the Earl
> was forced to aquit him due to Rolo's testimony that Knute was indeed
> tried to rape Ragnar's wife the Earl's men attacked were Ragnar was
> celebrating. There were about five or so of them. Of course Ragnar's
> friends and family took care of them but to be sure there are more
> than that where they came from.

Did you really wait 13 days just to offer up another one of your 'the
explanation is kept off screen' answers?