Re: What Did You Watch? 2009-11-17 (Tuesday)
Obveeus
"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote:
What did I watch?
'V': This episode was the best of the series to date by a wide margin.
Characters on all sides of this fight were portrayed as proactive and
intelligent. The story contained several 'twists' and nothing stood out as
nonsensical (the way some scenes in previous episodes have appeared). I
will definitely be back next week to watch the Fall 'conclusion' episode.
Ubiquitous
>I notice that no one in this thread has mentioned "The Prisoner."
Ditto.
>Did no one on r.a.tv watch the whole six hours? I only watched
>the first two; I was going to watch on Monday night but then
>decided to work on a class project. So I didn't watch last night,
>either. But how about those of you who did watch Sunday and Monday?
I only watched the first three and gave up.
I read it ended poorly.
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> pat...@wintertime.com wrote:
>
>> I notice that no one in this thread has mentioned "The Prisoner."
>
> Ditto.
>
>> Did no one on r.a.tv watch the whole six hours? I only watched
>> the first two; I was going to watch on Monday night but then
>> decided to work on a class project. So I didn't watch last night,
>> either. But how about those of you who did watch Sunday and Monday?
>
> I only watched the first three and gave up.
> I read it ended poorly.
>
I've watched 1-4 and I'm going to watch the last two in a little while.
For me, episode 1 was slow but each has got a little better since then.
Still nothing to sing and dance about though.
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thick...@aol.com
Slith...@dropallthisgooglemail.com wrote:
>
>Ubiquitous wrote:
>> pat...@wintertime.com wrote:
>>> Did no one on r.a.tv watch the whole six hours? I only watched
>>> the first two; I was going to watch on Monday night but then
>>> decided to work on a class project. So I didn't watch last night,
>>> either. But how about those of you who did watch Sunday and Monday?
>>
>> I only watched the first three and gave up.
>> I read it ended poorly.
>
>I've watched 1-4 and I'm going to watch the last two in a little while.
>For me, episode 1 was slow but each has got a little better since then.
>Still nothing to sing and dance about though.
If they had called this series by any other name, it would have been
just overbearing, pretentious, and mediocre television. However, they
called it "the Prisoner". By doing so, they linked it to one of the most
creative, imaginative, and thought-provoking stories ever told on
television. They could have just left out Rover, just let everyone keep
their regular names in this induced world, and simply called The Village
"Home". It would have been a well-meaning, but misguided homage to the
original series...but they didn't, and for that I resent the producers
of this.
Gone was the seething sense of struggle from Number Six, replaced with
the most passivity I've ever seen in a protagonist outside of a Albert
Camus novel. When everyone else in The Village seemed to put up more of
a fight, or least present an awareness of their situation that Six
lacked throughout the series, the story veered away from the spirit of
the original. Once the beautiful Tunisian location became a mainstay of
the story instead of just one backdrop in a cobbled world, the art
direction failed to live up to otherworldy fantasy we had previously
enjoyed. Once the cliched, overused use of disjointed editting
techniques were used to "confuse" us, instead of the writing blowing our
minds, all hope was lost.
I came into this series desperately wanting to like it. I wanted all the
perilous warnings from this forum to be proven wrong. But it was I who
was wrong. Through poor casting choices and weak writing, I found myself
caring more for the lesser characters like 147 instead of Six. I even
found myself rooting for Two simply because McKellan's performance was
so over the top in its absurdity that it was like he was winking at us
to let us know that he found this whole thing to be dreck too!
The "secret" of the village was easily discerned by the end of the third
hour and we were left with no story, or character, or performance to
care about for the last three. I had hoped that it couldn't be that
easy, that there was a twist to salvage this story. Instead, the only
thing I leave this with is a relief that at least they didn't mess up
Rover.
Anim8rFSK
> The "secret" of the village was easily discerned by the end of the third
> hour and we were left with no story, or character, or performance to
> care about for the last three. I had hoped that it couldn't be that
> easy, that there was a twist to salvage this story. Instead, the only
> thing I leave this with is a relief that at least they didn't mess up
> Rover.
The "secret" was SO obvious I thought I must be wrong, but nooooo.
As I just posted elsewhere
Well
I didn't think it was possible
I just finished all 6 hours of it (how clever to have 6 hours)
and
it actually got worse
and worse
and worse
and worse
and worse
hour by hour, minute by minute, second by dragging agonizing second
all the way to the end.
The high point, where I actually cheered, was when 2's petulant drunken
murderous son killed himself. I wish it had been slower and more painful
and on-screen.
And that was the only feel good moment in the whole thing.
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> pat...@wintertime.com wrote:
>
>> I notice that no one in this thread has mentioned "The Prisoner."
>
> Ditto.
>
>> Did no one on r.a.tv watch the whole six hours? I only watched
>> the first two; I was going to watch on Monday night but then
>> decided to work on a class project. So I didn't watch last night,
>> either. But how about those of you who did watch Sunday and Monday?
>
> I only watched the first three and gave up.
> I read it ended poorly.
>
I think the lack of humour makes this show tedious.
The original Prisoner had these surreal moments that IMO culminated with
the kung-fu on a trampoline. That fight scene makes me wet my pants
everytime I watch it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTqAfJYWe58
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redcat
> In article <c32.64c086...@aol.com>, thick...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> The "secret" of the village was easily discerned by the end of the third
>> hour and we were left with no story, or character, or performance to
>> care about for the last three. I had hoped that it couldn't be that
>> easy, that there was a twist to salvage this story. Instead, the only
>> thing I leave this with is a relief that at least they didn't mess up
>> Rover.
>
> The "secret" was SO obvious I thought I must be wrong, but nooooo.
>
> As I just posted elsewhere
Not to boast, but to show how simple-minded this thing was, I figured
out the secret *before* the thing aired just from the commercials and
the bits of stuff on line. I posted it elsewhere, too, at the time. And
now I can't find the url! Oh well, what the heck. It wasn't hard to see.
Let this be a lesson to all re-makers. Good grief!!!!
OK, even though it's red apples to green apples, which was worse -- the
remake of The Prisoner or the remake of The Avengers. I think The
Avengers held the Cup till now.
redcat
Anim8rFSK
redcat <red...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Oh, that's a good question. At least The Avengers was shorter but . . .
no, it's worse. TA was on the other night and I tried to skim some of
it and couldn't even do that.
Legend-11
The Avengers movie was unwatchable nonsense. The Prisoner remake was a
decent distraction while I await the return of Lost, at best. I think it
is fairing this poorly for some people because of the inevitable
comparison to the original masterpiece. I've not seen The Avengers all
the way through...I find it impossible. I did, however, watch all of
this remake.
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Dan Lanciani
| In article <c32.64c086...@aol.com>, thick...@aol.com wrote:
|
| > The "secret" of the village was easily discerned by the end of the third
| > hour and we were left with no story, or character, or performance to
| > care about for the last three. I had hoped that it couldn't be that
| > easy, that there was a twist to salvage this story. Instead, the only
| > thing I leave this with is a relief that at least they didn't mess up
| > Rover.
|
| The "secret" was SO obvious I thought I must be wrong, but nooooo.
Initially I was thinking Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer, but
given that Six was The One I figured the Village was one of those
early incarnations of the Matrix that the Architect raved about.
Then it seemed more like Downworld. At the end it looked as if
they were doing The Mark of Gideon. I'm afraid I wasn't able to
stay focussed on the story for more than a few minutes at a time;
what was the real secret?
Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
redcat
There was no real secret. You got it right -- your fault is you were
digging too deeply in a children's sandbox.
Anim8rFSK
ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
Through some unknown mechanism, #2s wife in the real word created the
village as a dreamworld, and through some unknown mechanism, they put
all these real world people in there, no idea where their real bodies
were, and when her imaginary son murdered her in the Village, she was
fine in the outside world but they needed a dreamer within the dream to
keep it going, so they drugged 6s girlfriend. I have no idea where the
real life girlfriend is, or the real life 6 (I assume he's just out
there, fine, the way the real world 2 and his wife were and are) so who
cares?
Ubiquitous
>Through some unknown mechanism, #2s wife in the real word created the
>village as a dreamworld, and through some unknown mechanism, they put
>all these real world people in there, no idea where their real bodies
>were, and when her imaginary son murdered her in the Village, she was
>fine in the outside world but they needed a dreamer within the dream to
>keep it going, so they drugged 6s girlfriend. I have no idea where the
>real life girlfriend is, or the real life 6 (I assume he's just out
>there, fine, the way the real world 2 and his wife were and are) so who
>cares?
Wasn't there some nonsense about The Village being some sort of
self-improvement therapy?
Dan Lanciani
Ah, ok, lots of "unknown" mechanisms. I didn't just miss the explanation
through lack of attention. (And the computer room wasn't really important.)
| no idea where their real bodies
| were,
I thought they were trucking along in the real world unaware of the
part of them that was in the Village for their benefit(?). Six said
Two was "controlling" them in the real world. I was unclear on which
were flash backs and which were flash sideways to the real world and
how long Six had been in the Village. In particular, when Six interacted
with 147 in the real world were both of them already in the Village?
| and when her imaginary son murdered her in the Village,
Was that concurrent with Two in the real world telling Six that he didn't
know what was going on in Helen(?)'s head or was that a flashback?
| she was
| fine in the outside world but they needed a dreamer within the dream to
| keep it going, so they drugged 6s girlfriend.
It seemed they needed somebody to run things as well, hence they snared
Six Gideon-style.
It was clever of the doctor to analyze the pills without disturbing them
(especially after she said she wasn't a chemist) but it was stupid of
the imaginary son to not bring one of the black pills as well.
| I have no idea where the
| real life girlfriend is, or the real life 6 (I assume he's just out
| there, fine, the way the real world 2 and his wife were and are) so who
| cares?
Was Helen(?) fine in the real world while she was drugged in the Village?
She didn't seem too responsive. Maybe she was a fan of the original series
and that's why she introduced all the evil big brother elements into what was
supposed to be a therapeutic environment.
| Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
I'm actually looking forward to SGU after this disaster, much as SGU
made be look back fondly on DG. This has got to be one of the most
precipitous declines in quality of any tripple-header I can remember.
To think I ever complained about the all new Flash Gordon...
Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
Dan Lanciani
| In article <ANIM8Rfsk-DE053...@news.dc1.easynews.com>, ANIM...@cox.net (Anim8rFSK) writes:
| | Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
|
| I'm actually looking forward to SGU after this disaster, [...]
Ok, that was a big mistake...
Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
Anim8rFSK
ddl@danlan.*com (Dan Lanciani) wrote:
heh
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Anim8rFSK
I have no idea what was up with the computer room. There weren't that
many terminals, maybe a dozen or two, and there were thousands of people
in the village, although some of them were imaginary. I have no idea if
the people at the terminals were supposed to be in the village
themselves, or monitoring those that were in the village, or looking for
new victims like 6 had been, or what?
And how stupid did the writer have to be to make 6s real name 'Michael'
instead of 'John' anyway?
>
> | no idea where their real bodies
> | were,
>
> I thought they were trucking along in the real world unaware of the
> part of them that was in the Village for their benefit(?). Six said
> Two was "controlling" them in the real world. I was unclear on which
> were flash backs and which were flash sideways to the real world and
> how long Six had been in the Village. In particular, when Six interacted
> with 147 in the real world were both of them already in the Village?
I haven't a clue. Nor do I know what was up with her being blown up. I
grant you that 6 and the cab driver seem to be okay in reality, but that
was in the finale after things were breaking down.
But here's my big problem; I don't think 6 ever resigned at all. I
think ALL of that was part of the Village delusion. I think Michael
getting in the limo to go visit 2 and wife WAS in the real world. But I
have no idea what that makes Michael sneaking back into Summacor past
the world's stupidest security guard, and I have no idea if the affair
or the blowing up ever happened. I assume the blowing up didn't happen,
since the girl was later brought to the village, but gah.
But if the resigning and the explosion were part of the Village
delusion, what the Hell was Michael brought to the Village for in the
first place?
>
> | and when her imaginary son murdered her in the Village,
>
> Was that concurrent with Two in the real world telling Six that he didn't
> know what was going on in Helen(?)'s head or was that a flashback?
No idea. I gave up on attempting to make any linear sense out of
anything when the cab driver was trying to dig up the now filled in
sinkhole, except the sinkhole kept reappearing, and then apparently they
were at ANOTHER sinkhole. And how is the cab driver 'healed' of missing
custody of his daughter by dreaming that he killed her and his wife
turned to a cold bitch?
>
> | she was
> | fine in the outside world but they needed a dreamer within the dream to
> | keep it going, so they drugged 6s girlfriend.
>
> It seemed they needed somebody to run things as well, hence they snared
> Six Gideon-style.
Right. But do you note the problem of drugging the girl ONLY IN THE
VILLAGE? You'd think you'd need to be dosing her in real life. I mean,
if she's fine in real life, and just dosed in the dream, but still
aware, tough noogies. All that's happening then is that she's having a
dream, and in the dream she can control everything and is aware of what
she does, but thinks she can't move (although she can see and hear
everything so she must be floating around in astral form like Dr.
Strange or Professor X). This hardly seems a horrid fate.
>
> It was clever of the doctor to analyze the pills without disturbing them
> (especially after she said she wasn't a chemist)
I screeched out loud on that one; she must have science far advanced of
the Miami Dade CSI.
but it was stupid of
> the imaginary son to not bring one of the black pills as well.
>
> | I have no idea where the
> | real life girlfriend is, or the real life 6 (I assume he's just out
> | there, fine, the way the real world 2 and his wife were and are) so who
> | cares?
>
> Was Helen(?) fine in the real world while she was drugged in the Village?
> She didn't seem too responsive. Maybe she was a fan of the original series
> and that's why she introduced all the evil big brother elements into what was
> supposed to be a therapeutic environment.
Heh
>
> | Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
>
> I'm actually looking forward to SGU after this disaster, much as SGU
> made be look back fondly on DG. This has got to be one of the most
> precipitous declines in quality of any tripple-header I can remember.
> To think I ever complained about the all new Flash Gordon...
Yeah, good point. Flash (ooo-aa!) was better than either TP or SGU.
Damn. Never thought I'd say THAT.
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