"Kingpin" won't be back.
Davidelic
won't be coming back. The phrase for it, in the TV game, is "six and out."
But I'm feeling pretty good about those six.
It's a funny thing... you create a TV show, and you tend to think anybody who
watches it will dig it as much as you do. Just as I'm sure most parents
believe the whole world shares their opinion on the matter of their child's
good looks. Who could think otherwise?
So, yes sir, I thought "Kingpin" fucking rocked. Particularly the last three
eps. And I fancy myself a clear-eyed assessor of my own work product. I know
when I'm stroking like I'm supposed to. (I also know fine acting when I see
it. And extraordinary production design. And first-rate cinematography. And
slammin' music.)
Yet I kinda knew something was amiss back when the show premiered, when I'd
tune into rec.arts.tv expecting a symphony of commentary and debate on
multifarious aspects of "Kingpin," only to hear fucking crickets. I had this
funny feeling in my stomach; I realized it wasn't connecting "out there" on a
mass level. And I very much expected that it would.
Oh well. I certainly hope you all will see a lot more of Yancey Arias, Angela
Alvarado, Shay Roundtree, Bobby Cannavale, Brian Benben, Sheryl Lee and Ruben
Carbajal in the future. I damn sure know you'll be seeing more of me.
And when "Kingpin" is widely released on DVD in July, you pinche cabrons who
weren't impressed the first time need to look again.
David Mills
Michael Black
the various plot lines and characters. I thinki, however, that it would
have been much more successful on a cable channel such as FX, HBO, or
Showtime. There wouldn't have been as much pressure to produce large
ratings and the show could have been much more graphic and violent. It's
too bad that not enough people felt the same. But I guess that's the way it
goes in TV land....
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Ian J. Ball
davi...@aol.com (Davidelic) wrote:
> Not that it'll come as much of a shock to this newsgroup, but my show
> "Kingpin" won't be coming back. The phrase for it, in the TV game, is
> "six and out."
>
> But I'm feeling pretty good about those six.
>
> It's a funny thing... you create a TV show, and you tend to think anybody
> who watches it will dig it as much as you do. Just as I'm sure most
> parents believe the whole world shares their opinion on the matter of
> their child's good looks. Who could think otherwise?
Like Michael, I'm wondering why you don't try to shop it to Showtime, or
some such? Or do contracts prevent that?...
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Bruce Esquibel
: So, yes sir, I thought "Kingpin" fucking rocked. Particularly the last three
: eps. And I fancy myself a clear-eyed assessor of my own work product. I know
: when I'm stroking like I'm supposed to. (I also know fine acting when I see
: it. And extraordinary production design. And first-rate cinematography. And
: slammin' music.)
Well, I'll give you credit for cinematography, there were some scenes that
really stood out, but there were clunkers as well. The mountians in the
background while on the golf course in Houston got a chuckle out of me.
I'm not trying to come off as a prick here and I'll assume you are a
producer or writer, but the show really came off as a network version of the
Sopranos, really watered down and not that interesting overall. The main
problem, the way I saw it was, it's a story about a family of drug dealers,
thats it. We pretty much know drug dealers murder, kill and pay off police
and government officals while trying to figure out how to move the product
they sell from point a to point b.
I just didn't see any characters to relate to in the show because of that,
which is important to me. A drama (in my opinion) sucks people in either by
the characters or what I call the amusement factor. Something like The
Sheild on FX is amusement, I don't relate to any of the characters but the
trouble the "boys" get into each week (and how they weasle out of it) is
just, well, amusing.
With Kingpin, I just didn't see anything per episode that wasn't predictable
or expected. Somebody was going to get killed, somebody was going to
disappear, somebody was going to get arrested, yada, yada, yada. With that
and the lack of identifying with any of the characters, it was at best an
"ok" show, but nothing more.
It just isn't any surprise to me the renewal was turned down.
-bruce
b...@ripco.com
Jack Ak
>Not that it'll come as much of a shock to this newsgroup, but my show "Kingpin"
>won't be coming back. The phrase for it, in the TV game, is "six and out."
>
>But I'm feeling pretty good about those six.
>
You might have been feeling better if the show had actors who didn't
mumble their lines. "Kingpin" was one of the few shows, I had to
rewind and turn on CC to find out what was said, ( I use a TiVo).
The same thing happens with "Frasier", but the program is only 21
minutes without commercials. "Kingpin" simply wasn't worth the
trouble, so I gave up on it after 2 episodes.
Jim Hill
>Not that it'll come as much of a shock to this newsgroup, but my show
>"Kingpin" won't be coming back.
Sorry for your loss.
Flippancy aside, I am sorry. It sucks to pour a lot of effort into
something (show, song, multimedia presentation with killin' dissolves)
and have the potential audience step outside to get a roll of Rolos and
check their voice mail.
>I damn sure know you'll be seeing more of me.
Excellent.
Jim
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Cyrille Ibergay
really enjoyed the 6 episodes of the show.... and i don't even tell how i
felt about not getting any boomtown during february sweeps....
But it's always sad to know that a show you're watching ( and planed to
watch again if it would come back ) is leaving.
cyrille, french and sad for u
The Widower Scally
> Not that it'll come as much of a shock to this newsgroup, but my show
> "Kingpin" won't be coming back. The phrase for it, in the TV game, is "six
> and out."
Scally: I'd take six and out over being pulled off the network ("Just Shoot Me,"
"In-Laws," "Hidden Hills," "Let's Make a Deal," "A.U.S.A.," "Mister Sterling,"
"Hunter"), having multiple episodes unaired ("Just Shoot Me," "Hidden Hills,"
"The Jake Effect"), being ordered to undergo a destructive format overhaul
("A.U.S.A.," "Watching Ellie"), having holiday-themed episodes aired after that
holiday is over ("Good Morning, Miami"), having episodes air out of order ("Good
Morning, Miami"), getting stuck in the wrong time slot ("In-Laws"), being
preempted more times than actually on ("Just Shoot Me"), having the episode
order cut down ("Boomtown," "Hidden Hills," "Mister Sterling," "A.U.S.A.," "The
Jake Effect"), getting junked altogether ("The Jake Effect"), being given a
return date that it doesn't return on ("Hidden Hills," "Dog Eat Dog"), having
promises made that weren't kept ("Just Shoot Me," "Hidden Hills"), getting moved
unannounced ("Hunter"), being sabotaged ("Hunter"), or getting cancelled out of
spite by a runty, bald, blacklisting, egotistical little weasel who couldn't
stand the fact that people liked it ("Providence"). Wouldn't you?
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Beazer
was very hard to understand the words and just gave up after the 2nd
episode myself.
Chris Papademetrious
friends. It was refreshing to see something a little darker and
daring than the usual boring perfect world of sitcoms. I also enjoyed
seeing character flaws exposed and explored.
My friends and I are sad to see this show go. Congratulations on
pulling us in as deeply as you did in such a short period of time, and
I look forward to seeing more of your work in the future.
- Chris
jorge...@gmail.com
- Jorge Mañón