Is Ally McBeal sane?
Daniel Tropea
I have only seen 2 episodes of this show -
last weeks and this weeks.
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I find that Ally has rather serious problems
with reality. That baby is just down and out
weird. For her to imagine that the baby
is throwing a spear then Ally moving out of the
way is troubling. That is not a sign of
mental health actually its a sign of delusional
behavior.
Not that many of Kelly's characters are sane.
Patinkin's character on Chicago Hope and
the medical examiner on Picket Fences
also showed some mental instability.
Marie
Jason Dorough wrote:
> >mental health actually its a sign of delusional
> >behavior.
>
I got the same feeling from the 3/2 episode.
>
> find some more. That's just who she is :)
>
> -Jason
But don't you find that the hallucinations are passing over the line
from quirkiness to borderline mentally ill?
java
Judge Whipper said that "Ally is not nuts, but she doesn't have two feet on
the ground yet". She's working on it! That is a part of her charm.
Adam K Rixey
Fals...@webtv.net (Daniel Tropea) writes:
> I have only seen 2 episodes of this show -
> last weeks and this weeks.
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> with reality. That baby is just down and out
> weird. For her to imagine that the baby
> is throwing a spear then Ally moving out of the
> mental health actually its a sign of delusional
> behavior.
Ally's really seeing into another plane, and will soon be contacted by
the Millennium Group (after all, an organization like that needs
lawyers). That dancing baby is actually a fallen cherub that delights
in plagueing mankind with trickery and mayhem.
- AkR - ny...@andrew.cmu.edu -- http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~nyarl -
"If seeing you is loving you, then I guess I'll change the channel."
Greg Beaulieu
Marie (mma...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: But don't you find that the hallucinations are passing over the line
: from quirkiness to borderline mentally ill?
Actually she is a lot better now than she was earlier in the year at
the start of the series. I think they have realized that she was way
too far over the line before, and was in fact showing evidence of
actual mental illness. Now she's just plain weird and delusional... but
people still keep saying how close this show is to reality for them and
how they relate to it. Bizarre. I never knew the world had that many
screwed-up people in it. Anyone whose real life is anything close to
the behavior of the McBeal character needs professional help, IMHO.
If the show would simply tone down some of the outlandish behavior of
the characters, it might be a lot better accepted. As it is right now
it's just borderline bizarre, giving it a strong cult following but
preventing it from achieving broad acceptance.
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John Stone
Don't watch the show much but the suggestion from that woman that
Ally sleep with her husband was a bit over the top.
Roberta and Craig Becker
Daniel Tropea (Fals...@webtv.net) wrote:
: ... That baby is just down and out
: weird.
Yeah. I like the show, but the whole "baby hallucination" thing
simply doesn't work for me. I wish they'd drop it and move on.
Craig
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Roberta and Craig Becker wrote in message <34fc3...@feed1.realtime.net>...
>Daniel Tropea (Fals...@webtv.net) wrote:
>: ... That baby is just down and out
>: weird.
>
>Yeah. I like the show, but the whole "baby hallucination" thing
>simply doesn't work for me. I wish they'd drop it and move on.
I hoping that when she waved to the baby in the show it signified the end of
it. I love the show and you're right, the baby is getting old (not that I
cared for it too much in the first place)
Brad
Will Cameron
On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:44:41 -0500, Fals...@webtv.net (Daniel Tropea)
wrote:
>I have only seen 2 episodes of this show -
>last weeks and this weeks.
>
>S
>p
>o
>i
>l
>e
>r
>
>S
>p
>a
>c
>e
>
>I find that Ally has rather serious problems
>with reality. That baby is just down and out
>weird. For her to imagine that the baby
>is throwing a spear then Ally moving out of the
>way is troubling. That is not a sign of
>mental health actually its a sign of delusional
>behavior.
>
>Not that many of Kelly's characters are sane.
>Patinkin's character on Chicago Hope and
>the medical examiner on Picket Fences
>also showed some mental instability.
A perfect way to end the show, in thelast 6 episodes her
imaginings (or whatever you want to call them) get more and more
bizare, more and more out of context, and the showends with her
drooling in a straight jacket in a padded room.
Nah, this is fox, they'd kill the show without a final episode.
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> : weird.
>
> simply doesn't work for me. I wish they'd drop it and move on.
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That kind of gimmick can get old real fast. I say get rid of the baby
before they wear the gag out.
JP
John Stone <sto...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>Don't watch the show much but the suggestion from that woman that
>Ally sleep with her husband was a bit over the top.
The fact that you don't watch the show much is is probably why you found that
outlandish. Every single week there is this tension between Ally, Billy, and
Georgia that has been building. Last week they began really showing the hurt
and frustration that Georgia is feeling.
Her suggestion was from a woman who felt that she has already lost her husband
to another woman and she is sick of it, can't take it any more and is giving
up. I thought it was more "a bit over the top" that their marriage counselor
suggested that Ally go with them . . . and I'm sure glad that Ally reacted the
way she did!
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In alt.tv.ally-mcbeal Greg Beaulieu <ab...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
: If the show would simply tone down some of the outlandish behavior of
: the characters, it might be a lot better accepted. As it is right now
: it's just borderline bizarre, giving it a strong cult following but
: preventing it from achieving broad acceptance.
A strong cult following? Preveinted from broad acceptance?
She's guested on Letterman, Leno, and Rosie. The show is in the top 20 in
the Nielsens. And last night (after the 02 March show), our local ABC
affiliate news show did a visit to CF's high school in New Jersey. That's
okay, except I live in Oregon.As big a fan as I am, her NJ high school!?
How big does it have to get before it gets broad acceptance? <g>
And that's the truth, Ruth,
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In alt.tv.ally-mcbeal on Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:50:28 -0500, John Stone
<sto...@pilot.msu.edu> stopped & looked both ways before saying:
| Don't watch the show much but the suggestion from that woman that
| Ally sleep with her husband was a bit over the top.
Now, see, that was the realism part of the show!! <G> Not the
surrealism, LOL
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In alt.tv.ally-mcbeal on 3 Mar 1998 16:30:18 GMT, ab...@chebucto.ns.ca
(Greg Beaulieu) stopped & looked both ways before saying:
So, you've kept on watching the show, week in & week out, in spite of
never liking it & never having anything particularly new to say about
it?!! I must say that I admire your curiousity. I have a great
curiousity, but either it's falling down on the job or there's not
enough time.
| Actually she is a lot better now than she was earlier in the year at
| the start of the series.
Clearly the dancing baby is a thing now. I, for one, am tired of it. I
have no problem accepting Ally as a realistic persona who has
exaggerated aspects being dramatized, but I liked these whimsical bits
better when they change apparently. I guess I love the surreal realism
but I'm not keen enough on the dancing baby to have kept it around for
even 2 episodes, much less 3, 4, 5, ....
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In article <6di7m2$iav$1...@News.Dal.Ca>, ab...@chebucto.ns.ca (Greg Beaulieu) writ
es:
>DonnaB (cava...@alltel.net) wrote:
>: In alt.tv.ally-mcbeal on 3 Mar 1998 16:30:18 GMT, ab...@chebucto.ns.ca
>: (Greg Beaulieu) stopped & looked both ways before saying:
>
>: So, you've kept on watching the show, week in & week out, in spite of
>: never liking it & never having anything particularly new to say about
>: it?!! I must say that I admire your curiousity. I have a great
>: curiousity, but either it's falling down on the job or there's not
>: enough time.
>
>have posted there. I promised I wouldn't -- they don't cotton to much in
>the way of anti-McBeal postings over there. And I didn't want to intrude
>anyway. Apologies.
You fool! Actually, I was nabbed by the A McB blather about feminists. I
emphasize.
>
>And no, I haven't watched it a lot, but I had to see what the !@#$%$#@!
>dancing baby was all about...
>
>Back to rec.arts.tv...
JenniesCKs
No...not really. She's a little on the unhinged side, which is why I really
like her. She's completely different from any other female leading character
I've ever seen...and what a breath of fresh air.
People have suggested that DEK should tone down her delusions so that the show
will appeal to a broader audience. And although I'm sick of the baby thing, I
hope DEK keeps her unhinged. I for one am sick of "whitebread" TV characters.
Ally's not the only one who's a little nuts on the show either...Fish is a
meglamaniacal man with a wattle fetish, the Biscuit is obsessive compulsive
(certainly with the toilet thing!), Elaine is a nympho who craves attention...
Lots of wierdos and I like it!
jc
Greg Beaulieu
DonnaB (cava...@alltel.net) wrote:
: In alt.tv.ally-mcbeal on 3 Mar 1998 16:30:18 GMT, ab...@chebucto.ns.ca
: (Greg Beaulieu) stopped & looked both ways before saying:
: So, you've kept on watching the show, week in & week out, in spite of
: never liking it & never having anything particularly new to say about
: it?!! I must say that I admire your curiousity. I have a great
: curiousity, but either it's falling down on the job or there's not
: enough time.
Yikes! Cross-posted to the AMcB newsgroup!! I never saw it, or I wouldn't
have posted there. I promised I wouldn't -- they don't cotton to much in
the way of anti-McBeal postings over there. And I didn't want to intrude
anyway. Apologies.
And no, I haven't watched it a lot, but I had to see what the !@#$%$#@!
jpot...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Daniel Tropea (Fals...@webtv.net) wrote:
: Not that many of Kelly's characters are sane.
: Patinkin's character on Chicago Hope and
: the medical examiner on Picket Fences
: also showed some mental instability.
I think calling the M.E.(damn it I should remmeber his name) on PIcket
Fences mentally instable is a little much. Weird, abnormal yes, but I
don't think his sanity is questionable. I deffinatly say Gieger and
McBeal's sanities are up for discussion. Cureious there realy isn't any
really weird character in The Practice (other than the odd client which
doesn't count).
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bec...@bga.com (Roberta and Craig Becker) wrote:
>Daniel Tropea (Fals...@webtv.net) wrote:
>: ... That baby is just down and out weird.
>
>Yeah. I like the show, but the whole "baby hallucination" thing
>simply doesn't work for me. I wish they'd drop it and move on.
Come on. It's one of the "signatures" of this show. Such as
the "foot in the mouth", "the garbage truck picking up the
dumpster", "unisex bathroom", "Ally close-ups", "Vonda's bar" and
most of all, the terrific soundtrack. It works for me. Although
the unisex thing weirds me out a bit :))
Anita
Marie <mma...@pacbell.net> wrote in article <34FBBE...@pacbell.net>...
> But don't you find that the hallucinations are passing over the line
> from quirkiness to borderline mentally ill?
REMINDER: This is TV, people--it's not REAL!!!!!
Stacy
Right, and so the question goes... Is *Ally McBeal* sane? [not is
Calista Flockhart sane]
So, are the rules different for characters in television dramas? Or
does that only work for cartoons?
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In article <01bd47b6$e73879e0$529e...@anitasm.dns.microsoft.com>, "Anita"
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> Marie <mma...@pacbell.net> wrote in article <34FBBE...@pacbell.net>...
>
> > But don't you find that the hallucinations are passing over the line
> > from quirkiness to borderline mentally ill?
>
> REMINDER: This is TV, people--it's not REAL!!!!!
Only if you are viewing from OUTSIDE the TV set. I love to run from
channel to channel and especially use my big chrome board to surf
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I think she's sane enough. Why should hallucinations be limited to cartoon
characters? Should Ally's daydreams be considered any differently than
Homer Simpson's? It's all make believe, and the characters are still being
developed. I reserve full judgement about her sanity till next season ;-)
Pat
Women's Wire Ally McBeal pages
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In article <34FDE0B9...@sparknet.net>, Stacy <st...@sparknet.net>
wrote:
>Right, and so the question goes... Is *Ally McBeal* sane? [not is
>Calista Flockhart sane]
>
>So, are the rules different for characters in television dramas? Or
>does that only work for cartoons?
>
jpot...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: Come on. It's one of the "signatures" of this show. Such as
: the "foot in the mouth", "the garbage truck picking up the
: dumpster", "unisex bathroom", "Ally close-ups", "Vonda's bar" and
: most of all, the terrific soundtrack. It works for me. Although
: the unisex thing weirds me out a bit :))
No there is a big difference between the dfancing baby and the "fantasy
scenes" When we see the garbage truck dumping the container, or someone's
foot in their mouth we know that Alley is just thinking that, and not
actually seeing it. But she actually sees the dancing baby, and now
apparently interacts with it ( dodging a thrown spear). Thats a big
difference. It's allright for her "fantasy images" pop into her mind when
she thinks a certain way or reacts to something. But when she starts
actually seeing them, it becomes a delusion. Which is something you can't
push aside and say "Oh, Ally just has an active imagination". When she
starts to actual see things we have to seriously start thinking she's
mentally unstable.
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'course not. That's why I love her... :-)
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> 'course not. That's why I love her... :-)
Which leads to the obvious question: are the fans of "Ally McBeal" sane?!
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jpot...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> : Come on. It's one of the "signatures" of this show. Such as
> : the "foot in the mouth", "the garbage truck picking up the
> : dumpster", "unisex bathroom", "Ally close-ups", "Vonda's bar" and
> : most of all, the terrific soundtrack. It works for me. Although
> : the unisex thing weirds me out a bit :))
>
> No there is a big difference between the dfancing baby and the "fantasy
> scenes" When we see the garbage truck dumping the container, or someone's
> foot in their mouth we know that Alley is just thinking that, and not
> actually seeing it. But she actually sees the dancing baby, and now
> apparently interacts with it ( dodging a thrown spear). Thats a big
> difference. It's allright for her "fantasy images" pop into her mind when
> she thinks a certain way or reacts to something. But when she starts
> actually seeing them, it becomes a delusion. Which is something you can't
> push aside and say "Oh, Ally just has an active imagination". When she
> starts to actual see things we have to seriously start thinking she's
> mentally unstable.
Speaking as a major fan of the show, I refuse flatly to think
seriously about it.
If it's OK with you, I will just continue to enjoy the hell out of
it.
DPW
Scott Padulsky
>
> A perfect way to end the show, in thelast 6 episodes her
>imaginings (or whatever you want to call them) get more and more
>bizare, more and more out of context, and the showends with her
>drooling in a straight jacket in a padded room.
>
That is so creepy and evil! I LOVE IT!!
Scott
Traci
to...@quicklink.com wrote in message <6dmi5d$t1g$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>'course not. That's why I love her... :-)
>Tony Hoffman
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> we had not known we were meant to walk."
>--Guy Gavriel Kay, Tigana
I just had to say a big "THANKS" for your sig, Tony. I read "The Finovar
Tapestry" triology by Guy Gavriel Kay about a year ago - I got it from the
library on the advice of a friend. She & I agreed it was great, wondered if
he'd written anything else (the library didn't have anything) and I wrote
down his name. And promptly lost it. And kept forgetting to check at the
library. And my searches on Amazon books didn't work.And then I saw your
sig - now I'm placing an order at my bookstore for the trilogy, and I'm
going to ask the library if they can get the others.
Sorry for the cross post (and the rambling), but thanks again. Just so I'll
be a little on topic............if Ally were sane, would she be so much fun
to watch?
Traci
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PWilson
Which leads to the obvious question: are the fans of "Ally McBeal"
sane?!
I don't know about you, but I think she's perfectly normal. So I guess
I need help too, or better yet, a TV show!
Pam
dawn
In article <6dhb6q$et8$1...@News.Dal.Ca>, ab...@chebucto.ns.ca (Greg Beaulieu) writes:
>Marie (mma...@pacbell.net) wrote:
>
>: But don't you find that the hallucinations are passing over the line
>: from quirkiness to borderline mentally ill?
>
>
>too far over the line before, and was in fact showing evidence of
>actual mental illness. Now she's just plain weird and delusional... but
>people still keep saying how close this show is to reality for them and
>how they relate to it. Bizarre. I never knew the world had that many
>screwed-up people in it. Anyone whose real life is anything close to
>the behavior of the McBeal character needs professional help, IMHO.
>If the show would simply tone down some of the outlandish behavior of
>the characters, it might be a lot better accepted. As it is right now
>it's just borderline bizarre, giving it a strong cult following but
>preventing it from achieving broad acceptance.
>
I don't think Ally is insane but she does need some therapy. She's at
a very delicate point in her life. She's very emotional to begin with.
She's a young attorney just starting her real life and everyday she has to
face with the love of her life who is married to her beautiful friend.
some might cope with this by withdrawing and becoming depressed. but ally's
personality, her emotionality, her hyperactive imagination lead her to have
the reaction she has. the stress of the situation is just getting to her.
i mean, let's face it, she hasn't exactly been dealing with her feelings
about everything. those supressed feelings are bound to manifest themselves
on her surface somehow. and this is how.
dawn
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Anita (an...@scn.org) wrote:
: Marie <mma...@pacbell.net> wrote in article <34FBBE...@pacbell.net>...
: > from quirkiness to borderline mentally ill?
: REMINDER: This is TV, people--it's not REAL!!!!!
Not only *is* it not real; it can *never be* real. Realistic portrayals
on TV are also merely slanted portrayals that feel real to a particular
audience. I sense that DEK knows this all too well, and I prefer his
take on our very real, very weird world to someone else's more
"realistic" vision, say, that of Aaron Spelling (hah!).
The way I see it, in supplying startling stories, characters, and images
from the fringes of "real life" rather than trying to imitate "the way
things are," DEK's shows wind up supplying a more accurate picture of
life. I dare anyone to name a show that's more real (not realistic) than
Picket Fences.
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