Deal Or No Deal: Producers have to know what's in the cases
888eight888
along in quite awhile. Very entertaining and frequently suspenseful...
As far as Howie Mandel's frequent declaration that "no one" knows what
are in the cases; I believe that this cannot be true.
The distinguishable "bad case" or "good case" sound effects/keyboard
music that is played when each girl opens a case is instantly played as
soon as a case is opened.
Sometimes a sound effect is played slightly before a case is fully
opened.
Unless they are wirelessly triggering the audio effects as a case is
opened; how could a production assistant manually execute this each
time by visually recognizing an amount and triggering the appropriate
sound instantaneously? (Record an episode and playback the timing of
the sounds to see for yourself.)
I don't have a problem with the producers knowing what's in each case
beforehand - just with the assertion that they don't know.
David Levy
> The distinguishable "bad case" or "good case" sound effects/keyboard
> music that is played when each girl opens a case is instantly played
> as soon as a case is opened.
No, it isn't. The sound effects are added in post-production.
I find it odd that you jumped straight to the assumption that the show
is illegally rigged, rather than the fact that it's edited (which is
plainly stated in the closing credits).
Watson deMeneux
And it's not too tough to maintain "case security". The 1-25 numbers are
removed from the cases after a contestant completes his/her run. The
cases are then shuffled/mixed up by a crew of one or two. A second team
enters the room and reapplies the numbers. The banker guy never goes
near the room.
--
Watson deMeneux
-Say it out loud next time you're in a restaurant.
Cliff Hartle
production.
In fact allot of the audience sounds are probably also added in post. The
sound engineer has many tools to sweeten the ambient sound.
Deal or no Deal is highly edited, how else do you think that they can get
the contestant to say deal right at the end of the show. That's why they
have the disclaimer at the end saying that "portions of this pre recorded
program, not effecting the outcome of the game, have been edited"
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It's frightening that people actually watch this garbage AND critique
it like it's something worth anyone's time & effort.
888eight888
I find it odder that you jumped straight to the assumption that I was
saying that the show was "illegally rigged".
My conclusion about the sound effects was in regards to aiding the
production. I never said that anyone was communicating with the banker.
If the post-production fact is true - I stand corrected.
David Levy
> > > The distinguishable "bad case" or "good case" sound
> > > effects/keyboard music that is played when each girl opens a
> > > case is instantly played as soon as a case is opened.
> > No, it isn't. The sound effects are added in post-production.
> >
> > I find it odd that you jumped straight to the assumption that
> > the show is illegally rigged, rather than the fact that it's
> > edited (which is plainly stated in the closing credits).
> I find it odder that you jumped straight to the assumption that
> I was saying that the show was "illegally rigged".
You alleged that the producers are secretly aware of the briefcases'
contents (despite explicit claims to the contrary). That would be
illegal rigging.
> My conclusion about the sound effects was in regards to aiding
> the production. I never said that anyone was communicating with
> the banker.
"The banker" is a fictional character portrayed by actor Peter Abbay.
As explained in the closing credits, the buyout offers come from the
producers.
Orson Wells as Citizen_Cain
> along in quite awhile. Very entertaining and frequently suspenseful...
>
> As far as Howie Mandel's frequent declaration that "no one" knows what
> are in the cases; I believe that this cannot be true.
Yes. I heard Nostradamus predicted the contents of the cases in the 1500s.
Orson Wells as Citizen_Cain
"Cliff Hartle" <cliff_...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> There's nothing saying that they don't add the sound effects in post
> production.
>
> In fact allot of the audience sounds are probably also added in post. The
> sound engineer has many tools to sweeten the ambient sound.
>
> Deal or no Deal is highly edited, how else do you think that they can get
> the contestant to say deal right at the end of the show.
Wizard did it.
> That's why they
> have the disclaimer at the end saying that "portions of this pre recorded
> program, not effecting the outcome of the game, have been edited"
Including Howie's ability to be entertaining, it seems.
Garondo Marondo
The music mix is probably done in post production.
..
Garondo Marondo!
Tyrone G.
They can dub it in later if they mess up with the correct sound.
Brett A. Pasternack
> 888eight888 wrote:
>
>
>>>>The distinguishable "bad case" or "good case" sound
>>>>effects/keyboard music that is played when each girl opens a
>>>>case is instantly played as soon as a case is opened.
>
>
>>>No, it isn't. The sound effects are added in post-production.
>>>
>>>I find it odd that you jumped straight to the assumption that
>>>the show is illegally rigged, rather than the fact that it's
>>>edited (which is plainly stated in the closing credits).
>
>
>>I find it odder that you jumped straight to the assumption that
>>I was saying that the show was "illegally rigged".
>
>
> You alleged that the producers are secretly aware of the briefcases'
> contents (despite explicit claims to the contrary). That would be
> illegal rigging.
I don't know if it's illegal since they claim otherwise, but if it
doesn't affect gameplay at all, I can't see how it could be called
"rigging."
At any rate, it seems from elsewhere in the thread that they don't know
anyway.
David Levy
> I don't know if it's illegal since they claim otherwise,
> but if it doesn't affect gameplay at all, I can't see
> how it could be called "rigging."
If the producers knew the contents of the individual briefcases
(namely the one in the contestant's possession), this information
could serve as a factor when determining the buyout offers.
David Levy
> Has anyone looked closely at the offers. They tend to be higher
> for nice people suggesting the producers want them to take their
> winnings and lower for the not so nice families.
> But AFTER they say deal the 'what if' offers are way over the
> top to make people feel bad for making their deal.
I haven't noticed any of the above.
pe...@home.com
>According to one of the models who left the show each of the girls select a case
>randomly from a table before they come out.
Everytime I watch the show, which is frequently, the models are always
in the same position with the same case numbers.
David Levy
> > According to one of the models who left the show each of the
> > girls select a case randomly from a table before they come out.
pe...@home.com replied:
> Everytime I watch the show, which is frequently, the models are
> always in the same position with the same case numbers.
According to Watson deMeneux (elsewhere in this thread), the numbers
are removed from the briefcases before the dollar amounts are
inserted. It's possible that the numbers are replaced after the
models obtain the cases (which certainly would aid in the randomness
of their selections).
Bruce Esquibel
: If the producers knew the contents of the individual briefcases
: (namely the one in the contestant's possession), this information
: could serve as a factor when determining the buyout offers.
Yes but I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing.
A few months ago there were a few non-american versions of DOND floating
around the net. It was interesting to me to see the differences with how the
game is played elsewhere. For one thing, the U.S. version is top prize with
the one million offered. There was one from central or south america with
the top at 50,000 (but not sure 50k of what denomination).
Another version had the 26 models bring the cases out, but then those cases
were handed to 26 audience members. When the contestant picked a case, the
person holding the case would guess at the amount in it, if they were right,
they won that amount.
The thing with the banker, although in all the versions I saw he was
off-camera (or never shown at all as being real) and always made out to be
"the bad guy", it did seem like they (the show or producers) knew what was
in all the cases.
In one of them (some non-english version), the contestant got down to the
last 3 or 4 cases, one of them being in the top 2 and the other 2 or 3 in
the bottom amounts. The offers from the banker got weird, rather than
somewhat being in the middle of the two amounts as is the norm with the U.S.
version, the offers were totally stupid, like $3 or $7.88, both of which
were LESS than the smallest amount on the board.
I mean this forces the player to keep going, if they quit and take the offer
they would lose out big time. In the end it turned out the player did have
the big money in their case but was steered into keeping it by that
variation of play. No clue, maybe it was some charity version of the show.
Off hand I don't see the shows producers (the banker) knowing what was in
which case as being rigged. If they did and started with undercutting the
offers from the statistical odds they use now, it would just drag down the
ratings getting pinned as "who care's, no one ever wins on that show".
Which would be the kiss of death.
-bruce
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David Levy
> > If the producers knew the contents of the individual briefcases
> > (namely the one in the contestant's possession), this information
> > could serve as a factor when determining the buyout offers.
Bruce Esquibel replied:
> Yes but I'm not so sure that would be a bad thing.
It would be if the producers falsely claimed not to possess this
knowledge.
> Off hand I don't see the shows producers (the banker) knowing what
> was in which case as being rigged.
...excepting the fact that the producers explicitly claim not to know
the briefcases' contents.
pe...@home.com
>Has anyone looked closely at the offers. They tend to be higher for nice people
>suggesting the producers want them to take their winnings and lower for the not so
>nice families.
>But AFTER they say deal the 'what if' offers are way over the top to make people feel
>bad for making their deal.
The offers are calculated based on the dollar amounts of the cases
left, how many remaining and the odds of the player holding the
million dollar case. Play the online game. It's mathematically
calculated.
pe...@home.com
>Hummm.
>Is it possible the case numbers are added after?
I'm not quite following that one. The numbers are in order. The
models are in the same position on the steps, meaning, the same model
has case number 1 for every episode, and number 1 is always on the
bottom row, on the left. It makes it easier to know their names. I
don't see what the dollar amounts or who fills the cases has to do
with the models.
David Levy
> >Is it possible the case numbers are added after?
pe...@home.com replied:
> I'm not quite following that one. The numbers are in order. The
> models are in the same position on the steps, meaning, the same model
> has case number 1 for every episode, and number 1 is always on the
> bottom row, on the left. It makes it easier to know their names. I
> don't see what the dollar amounts or who fills the cases has to do
> with the models.
Did you read my reply (duplicated below)?
Barbara Bailey
I believe that what he's saying is that the cases start out empty and
unnumbered. Then someone from production inserts the values into the
cases randomly, leaving the cases filled and unnumbered. Then the
models come in and each one picks up a case choosing at random. Then
the cases are labeled with the model's number, and she takes it out to
her position.
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pe...@home.com
>This would prevent and possibility of any body knowing what is in the cases. Remember
>the models could possible look in the case before hand but there would be no possibly
>of using that information.
If all or any of the above theories is fact, I'll go along with it,
but I think everyone is reading way too much into how things are or
need to be done on this show. What can possibly be lost or gained by
the models, producers, or even Howie knowing which case holds which
amount? I'm sure Regis and Meradith knew the questions they were
going to read on "Do you want to be a millionaire?," yet no one seemed
to think it had any bearing on the outcome of the game. Even if I
knew, as an audience member of DOND, that case 20 contained the
million dollars, I'd still watch with just as much enthusiasm as I
give the show now. In how many game shows of the past were the
answers revealed to the audience (or celebrity guests, etc.) before
the contestant played? And they don't even do that on DOND.
David Levy
> If all or any of the above theories is fact, I'll go along with it,
> but I think everyone is reading way too much into how things are or
> need to be done on this show.
I don't think that you're reading enough into federal law.
> What can possibly be lost or gained by the models, producers, or
> even Howie knowing which case holds which amount?
Given the fact that it's explicitly claimed that the models, producers
and Howie don't know which case holds which amount, the show's
legality and the trust of its audience would be lost.
If such a claim weren't made, this still would be significant. If the
models were to possess this information, they might experience
difficulty maintaining neutral body language. If the producers were
to possess this information, it could affect the buyout offers. If
Howie were to possess this information, it might affect his demeanor.
(Depending on the dollar amounts contained within the contestants'
cases, he would be inclined to encourage/discourage the continued
opening of other cases.)
> I'm sure Regis and Meradith knew the questions they were going to
> read on "Do you want to be a millionaire?," yet no one seemed to
> think it had any bearing on the outcome of the game.
That's because it didn't. This isn't a remotely valid comparison.
Note that the correct _answers_ are *not* provided to the host until
the contestants' responses are locked in. (He/she might know them
independently, but this obviously is unavoidable.)
> Even if I knew, as an audience member of DOND, that case 20
> contained the million dollars, I'd still watch with just as much
> enthusiasm as I give the show now.
You're in the minority.
> In how many game shows of the past were the answers revealed to the
> audience (or celebrity guests, etc.) before the contestant played?
Shows along the lines of "Password," "Pyramid" and "Win, Lose or Draw"
have done it, but that's a dramatically different type of format.
> And they don't even do that on DOND.
That's because it would spoil the show.
David Levy
> Is there any way to get one of the amounts in the model briefcases?
> Or is it either bank (deal) or contestant's pick (no deal)?
Those are the two choices, except when the final bank offer is
refused. At that point, the contestant usually is offered the option
of swapping his/her case with the case in the last remaining model's
possession.
This, of course, provides absolutely no statistical advantage or
disadvantage, and contestants usually opt to retain their original
selections. I certainly would, as it would feel worse to trade away
the higher dollar amount than it would to not select it at all.
Pete B
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> Forget the sound effects! Unless I get to examine or see examined the cases, I will always think they are electronically loaded. Can't imagine people going manually through switching and shuffling the cases. Come on! Not in this day and age. So, if, as I suppose, they are loaded electronically, then the banker can follow along and keep the $1,000,000 away from the contestant as the game goes along. I've always been struck by how a tear-jerker contestant manages to make some kind of breakthrough tied to the story they tell of their life in order to win a particular large amount. I say, let us see some of the cases taken apart. Show us whether those little gray strips inside are really little matte-finished screens. Anyway, those are my persistent thoughts. Anybody agree?
geet 57
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I want to know, are the contestants allowed to decide when they opt for the amount offered. Even if there are
still 10 cases left and the offer is 300,000 can they take the deal? Also, why is it that Howie knows how much
money would have been offered if the contestant had taken a certain case afterwards. "Which case would you
have chosen?" "And the banker would have offered you....$455,123." How does HOWIE know this? I believe
that if within picking whatever amount of cases. When the amount reached close to $200,000 I would take the
"deal". But that has never happened. The contestants always go for more until there are 4 or 5 cases and then they
choose. Interesting.