Survivor Of Mao's China WARNS America About Socialism

[Ubiquitous]

Xi Van Fleet: "I just want to say it's so ironic. 36 years ago, I run away from
socialism when I left China to come to this great country for freedom. Today, so many
Americans abandoning freedom and arriving into socialism. They have no idea what
socialism is about."

https://rumble.com/v1hm40b-survivor-of-maos-china-warns-america-about-socialism.html

--
Let's go Brandon!

[David Johnston]

On 2022-09-07 2:30 a.m., Ubiquitous wrote:
> Xi Van Fleet: "I just want to say it's so ironic. 36 years ago, I run away from
> socialism when I left China to come to this great country for freedom. Today, so many
> Americans abandoning freedom and arriving into socialism.

Ridiculous.

[Rhino]

No, reality. Yeonmi Park, a North Korean defector and activist who
became an American citizen last year, has said she too is very worried
that the socialism she fled at the risk of her life is becoming more and
more prevalent in the USA. She is horrified by this.

--
Rhino

[Adam H. Kerman]

Give us a fucking break, will you? The one time in Ubi's life he
actually provided a URL as citation, and you fucking fail to quote it.

Idiot.

https://rumble.com/v1hm40b-survivor-of-maos-china-warns-america-about-socialism.
html

[David Johnston]

And she bases that on...what?

[BTR1701]

In article <tgiff8$1js6$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,

Living in both places.

[Rhino]

She grew up in North Korea, then, as a teenager, fled North Korea for
China at the cost of being a sex slave for several years, then finally
managed to get out of China via Mongolia and find her way to South Korea
and then the US. Her YouTube channel is very informative as are her Ted
talks on how she escaped North Korea and her book about what happened.

Here's a link to her YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yeonmi+park

--
Rhino

[BTR1701]

In article <tgii5d$2a516$2...@dont-email.me>,

No, no, Rhino. We're supposed to believe Johnston over this woman who
has experienced first hand all of these horrors. Johnston knows better.

[trotsky]

Wow, this is more fucked up than usual for Eunuch Derp. The post is
about China, but then a woman is mentioned who defected from N. Korea
and then became a U.S. citizen (because white supremacists called her
"illegal" I guess.) So, E.D. (which, coincidentally, also stands for
"erectile dysfunction) (but we're not talking about Anim8r at
present)--so, Eunuch Derp, of the three places mentioned, does one
literally have to drive off a cliff to think it's "both places?"

[David Johnston]

Yes, but what makes them similar?

[Ubiquitous]

>> https://rumble.com/v1hm40b-survivor-of-maos-china-warns-america-about-socialism.html
>
> Ridiculous.

Obviously, you didn't watch/listen to the clip.

[Ubiquitous]

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[Ubiquitous]

atr...@mac.com wrote:
> Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-09-22 4:10 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> > On 2022-09-22 8:57 a.m., Rhino wrote:
>> >> On 2022-09-22 1:14 AM, David Johnston wrote:
>> >>> On 2022-09-07 2:30 a.m., Ubiquitous wrote:

>> >>>> Xi Van Fleet: "I just want to say it's so ironic. 36 years ago, I
>> >>>> run away from socialism when I left China to come to this great
>> >>>> country for freedom. Today, so many Americans abandoning freedom

>> >>>> nd arriving into socialism.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ridiculous.
>> >>
>> >> No, reality. Yeonmi Park, a North Korean defector and activist who
>> >> became an American citizen last year, has said she too is very worried
>> >> that the socialism she fled at the risk of her life is becoming more
>> >> and more prevalent in the USA.
>> >
>> > And she bases that on...what?
>>
>> She grew up in North Korea, then, as a teenager, fled North Korea for
>> China at the cost of being a sex slave for several years, then finally
>> managed to get out of China via Mongolia and find her way to South Korea
>> and then the US. Her YouTube channel is very informative as are her Ted
>> talks on how she escaped North Korea and her book about what happened.
>>

>> Here's a link to her YouTube channel:
>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yeonmi+park

What makes you think he's going to watch it if he didn't after reading the
original article?

> No, no, Rhino. We're supposed to believe Johnston over this woman who
> has experienced first hand all of these horrors. Johnston knows better.

Clearly, Johnston is making an attempt at trolling.

[anim8rfsk]

We have a series of nonsensical and dishonest political ads here brought to
us by new democracy which turns out to actually be the remaining adherents
of Chairman Mao!

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

[Ubiquitous]

anim...@cox.net wrote:

> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> davidjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-07 2:30 a.m., Ubiquitous wrote:

>>>> Xi Van Fleet: "I just want to say it's so ironic. 36 years ago, I run
>>>> away from socialism when I left China to come to this great country for
>>>> freedom. Today, so many Americans abandoning freedom and arriving into
>>>> socialism.
>>>>
>>>> https://rumble.com/v1hm40b-survivor-of-maos-china-warns-america-about-socialism.html
>>>
>>> Ridiculous.
>>
>> Obviously, you didn't watch/listen to the clip.
>

>We have a series of nonsensical and dishonest political ads here brought to
>us by new democracy which turns out to actually be the remaining adherents
>of Chairman Mao!

Yeah, I've been seeing similar nonsensical and dishonest political ads that seem to be
aimed at our governor, the newest being from a woman claiming to be of Cuban descending
repeating that "caged children" and "seperated families" nonsense.

[Rhino]

So it seems. Well, I don't know his life story so it's not inconceivable
that he knows North Korea and China better than Yeonmi Park does,
although it seems pretty unlikely. But hey, "I read in a book that China
and North Korea are wonderful places" always trumps "I lived there and
know better", right?

Park has clearly enunciated her concerns that the US, her new homeland,
is going the way of North Korea and China but I've watched several dozen
of her videos over the past couple of years and I could not tell you
which specific ones contained those concerns.

--
Rhino

[suzeeq]

It's not so much that we're going the way of socialism, but
authoritarianism. And I think we are unless sanity prevails.

[BTR1701]

Socialism requires authoritarianism to work.

All versions of collectivism are ideas so good they must be mandatory.

[anim8rfsk]

I am pretty sure ours use a synthetic voice and they have the same voice to
different accents and claimed to be “we Arizonans“

They are crying out against the technology bill that would have us make
micro chips here instead of China saying that it will bring all technology
to a halt and mothers won’t be able to afford milk anymore

[suzeeq]

On 9/23/2022 11:21 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgkqvo$q1v$1...@solani.org>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/2022 9:34 AM, Rhino wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-22 5:17 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <tgii5d$2a516$2...@dont-email.me>,

No, not in a socialist democracy.

[Rhino]

>>>> inconceivableI

>>>> that he knows North Korea and China better than Yeonmi Park does,
>>>> although it seems pretty unlikely. But hey, "I read in a book that
>>>> China
>>>> and North Korea are wonderful places" always trumps "I lived there and
>>>> know better", right?
>>>>
>>>> Park has clearly enunciated her concerns that the US, her new homeland,
>>>> is going the way of North Korea and China but I've watched several
>>>> dozen
>>>> of her videos over the past couple of years and I could not tell you
>>>> which specific ones contained those concerns.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not so much that we're going the way of socialism, but
>>> authoritarianism. And I think we are unless sanity prevails.
>>
>> Socialism requires authoritarianism to work.
>
> No, not in a socialist democracy.
>

The problem is in how socialists define democracy. At the end of WWII,
with Eastern Europe very heavily damaged by both the Germans and the
Soviets, the Red Army "liberated" these countries and immediately set
about building new (Soviet-friendly) "democracies". Their immediate
priorities were to take over the radio stations and putting their people
at the top of the country's police, especially the secret police. Then
they created alternatives to the existing or re-emerging institutions of
that country that were Soviet-friendly. Initially, they assumed that
people would flock to the new versions of the institutions but were
shocked and dismayed to find very little interest in their institutions
so they set about making it impossible for the old versions of the
institutions to work. One of the first targets, surprisingly, was the
Boy Scouts. The new Soviet-sponsored heads of the local communist
parties feared ANY institution that they didn't control and dominate,
including the Boy Scouts - and many, many more, including charities,
anything affiliated with the church, etc. etc. They gradually demolished
all competition to their new institutions by arresting, torturing and
imprisoning - or executing - leaders of the old institutions.

In terms of politics, they initially tolerated opposition parties and
then had elections that were more-or-less democratic, fully expecting to
have the communist party elected by a majority. That didn't come close
to happening since many people were already distrustful of the
communists due to the pre-war and war years, so the opposition parties
were similarly crushed in very short order.

The communist leaders continue to blather about "democracy" but offered
nothing of the kind.

I strongly recommend Anne Applebaum's book Iron Curtain to get a good
look at what the communists SAID and what they actually DID. It will
shatter a lot of your illusions.

--
Rhino

[suzeeq]

I'm thinking of current socialist democracies, such as Sweden, not those
that were formed post war and communist.

[trotsky]

Horseshit alert.

[Rhino]

I'm sure there are any number of books, videos, websites, etc. on that
topic. Personally, I simply don't believe that the AOCs of the world
want to turn America into Sweden: they are using the phrase "democratic
socialism" to make you THINK they want Sweden while what they REALLY
want is something like China or North Korea. Of course they don't
usually admit that but if you consider that the founders of BLM
*bragged* that they were trained Marxists, you soon have serious reasons
to be suspicious of the whole lot of leftists.

Food for thought: in Germany, between the world wars, there was a strong
socialist party and a strong Communist party. Together, they were more
than a match for the Nazis in the German parliament in terms of numbers
of seats. The problem was that they LOATHED each other. Stalin insisted
that the German socialists and the German communists do everything
possible to undermine one another and forbade any working together
between the two. Result: Hitler defeated both of them and got legally
elected as Chancellor of Germany. We all know what happened next. Think
about how many tens of MILLIONS of people died - and trillions of
dollars worth of property destroyed - because the socialists and
communists refused to work together to stop the obvious menace of Hitler.



--
Rhino

[shawn]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 13:39:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net>

wrote:

>Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> anim...@cox.net wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>> davidjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-09-07 2:30 a.m., Ubiquitous wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Xi Van Fleet: "I just want to say it's so ironic. 36 years ago, I run
>>>>>> away from socialism when I left China to come to this great country for
>>>>>> freedom. Today, so many Americans abandoning freedom and arriving into
>>>>>> socialism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://rumble.com/v1hm40b-survivor-of-maos-china-warns-america-about-socialism.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you didn't watch/listen to the clip.
>>>
>>> We have a series of nonsensical and dishonest political ads here brought to
>>> us by new democracy which turns out to actually be the remaining adherents
>>> of Chairman Mao!
>>
>> Yeah, I've been seeing similar nonsensical and dishonest political ads that seem to be
>> aimed at our governor, the newest being from a woman claiming to be of Cuban descending
>> repeating that "caged children" and "seperated families" nonsense.
>>

>

>I am pretty sure ours use a synthetic voice and they have the same voice to
>different accents and claimed to be “we Arizonans“
>
>They are crying out against the technology bill that would have us make
>micro chips here instead of China saying that it will bring all technology
>to a halt and mothers won’t be able to afford milk anymore

How do they reach such a conclusion? It's not like any such change is
going to happen overnight. Hell, Apple is starting the process of
moving a significant portion of their phone production from China to
India (I think it was under 40%) but that's a process that will take
years as they need the factories built in India and then staffed up
and trained. The same is true for building chips here in America.

If they really want to worry about technology coming to a halt worry
about China trying to take control of Taiwan through a war. That is
likely to bring chip production in Taiwan to a near standstill
assuming the factories are left standing. That will bring much of the
technology production around the world to a halt due to a lack of
necessary chips to either put together a product or to make the
machinery needed to make the components that go into the final
product. But that probably doesn't work for whatever political message
they are trying to send.

[BTR1701]

In article
<1872388828.685658043.5...@news.easynews.com>,

anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> > anim...@cox.net wrote:
> >> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> >>> davidjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-09-07 2:30 a.m., Ubiquitous wrote:
> >
> >>>>> Xi Van Fleet: "I just want to say it's so ironic. 36 years ago, I run
> >>>>> away from socialism when I left China to come to this great country for
> >>>>> freedom. Today, so many Americans abandoning freedom and arriving into
> >>>>> socialism.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://rumble.com/v1hm40b-survivor-of-maos-china-warns-america-about-so
> >>>>> cialism.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Ridiculous.
> >>>
> >>> Obviously, you didn't watch/listen to the clip.
> >>
> >> We have a series of nonsensical and dishonest political ads here brought
> >> to us by new democracy which turns out to actually be the remaining
> >> adherents of Chairman Mao!
> >
> > Yeah, I've been seeing similar nonsensical and dishonest political ads
> > that seem to be aimed at our governor, the newest being from a woman
> > claiming to be of Cuban descending repeating that "caged children" and
> > "seperated families" nonsense.

> I am pretty sure ours use a synthetic voice and they have the same voice to
> different accents and claimed to be “we Arizonans“
>
> They are crying out against the technology bill that would have us make
> micro chips here instead of China saying that it will bring all technology
> to a halt and mothers won’t be able to afford milk anymore

The Indian tribes here have got a new iteration of their anti-online
gambling crusade going right now.

The ads start with a menacing and frighteningly deep voice: "Do you know
that if Prop 27 passes, it will do nothing to solve the homeless crisis?"

Umm... why would it? It's an initiative to legalize online gambling. It
has nothing to do with homelessness, so of course it's not going to do
anything for the homeless. It won't do anything for global warming,
either, so I expect that to be the next tactic. (Actually, it probably
would help with global warming because it would allow you to make bets
from home rather having to drive 90 miles out into the desert to some
Indian casino to do it.)

These ads are accompanied, of course, by desperate-looking women holding
tiny, tiny babies. When 90%+ of the vagrants are drug-addicted mentally
ill men. But the hatchet-wielding psychopath on a meth rampage doesn't
make the ad for some reason. Just pretty women with perfect teeth and
dirty smudges on their faces with babes-in-arms. Almost as if they are
actors playing a role or something.

[anim8rfsk]

I’ve got no idea what they’re doing. But this seems to be an article about
it, although it doesn’t directly address the ads we’re getting it addresses
similar ones.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/06/multi-million-dollar-campaign-is-pushing-dems-ditch-antitrust-reform/

“Another digital ad run by New Democracy and shown in Arizona at least
700,000 times casts the legislation as an innovation killer that would
create economic “uncertainty.””

That’s the kind of stuff they’re saying. And at the end they mention
different Congress people and tell you to call them and say you’re against
the technology bill.

[anim8rfsk]

Oh, the gaslighting thread reminded me, we’ve got another one of them they
just started running which says that the gas companies have been
gaslighting “us Arizonans” and saying newsflash natural gas isn’t natural
it’s methane! And then listing all the evils of methane.

You know, if you look up natural gas in the dictionary you get a little
picture of methane. And if you look up methane in the dictionary you get a
little picture of natural gas.

They’ve revised it and modified several things but the natural gas is a
natural center of it remains.

All these ads look and sound exactly alike. They are clearly coming from
the same source. And using the same narrator voice that I am 95% sure is
synthetic with different accents overlaid.

[shawn]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 19:30:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net>

Have they discussed the issue with cows that their methane releases
aren't actually natural? I mean this sounds like something the cows
should know.

[shawn]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 19:30:10 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:

Ah, this isn't about technology. This ad campaign is all about money.
Specifically that companies like Amazon want to be able to keep
pushing their Amazon Basics products over competing products so that
you buy the Amazon product and keep giving them your money. The bill
would work to prevent companies like Amazon from doing that and try to
put all of the companies on an even playing field.

At least that's the idea. I have no idea how effective the bill would
be at creating an even playing field in the online marketplace.

[The Horny Goat]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 17:20:47 -0400, Rhino
<no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:

>I strongly recommend Anne Applebaum's book Iron Curtain to get a good
>look at what the communists SAID and what they actually DID. It will
>shatter a lot of your illusions.
>

Interesting - on Quora today I also recommended Applebaum's book Red
Famine which was about the Ukranian famine - obviously a different
subject but in both cases with Stalinist Russia as the primary "agent
of change" (e.g. in your case changing a culture through Communist
institutions and in my case through mass starvation and labelling
anybody who didn't support collectivization as a 'kulak' and shipping
them to parts unknown)

[trotsky]

Indians are from India. You probably meant Native Americans aka
indigenous people.

> The ads start with a menacing and frighteningly deep voice: "Do you know
> that if Prop 27 passes, it will do nothing to solve the homeless crisis?"

Prop 27 is in California, which in your fucking pea brain appears to be
the center of the universe.

> Umm... why would it? It's an initiative to legalize online gambling. It
> has nothing to do with homelessness, so of course it's not going to do
> anything for the homeless.

You sound even more stupid than usual, if such is possible. There's
this think called taxation that can produce a revenue stream for
municipalities to deal with situations such as the homeless. I've
surprised you haven't heard of this.

It won't do anything for global warming,
> either, so I expect that to be the next tactic.

Of course you do because you're an idiot.

(Actually, it probably
> would help with global warming because it would allow you to make bets
> from home rather having to drive 90 miles out into the desert to some
> Indian casino to do it.)

Cool, more pearls of horseshit.

> These ads are accompanied, of course, by desperate-looking women holding
> tiny, tiny babies. When 90%+ of the vagrants are drug-addicted mentally
> ill men. But the hatchet-wielding psychopath on a meth rampage doesn't
> make the ad for some reason. Just pretty women with perfect teeth and
> dirty smudges on their faces with babes-in-arms. Almost as if they are
> actors playing a role or something.

That's terrible, but shows how effective their ad is, which can be
summed up thusly: "Ha Ha, made you look!"

[BTR1701]

In article <tgmk7m$1c83$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gms...@email.com>
wrote:

No, I didn't because the "native" tribes also immigrated to North
America from somewhere else, Hutt, you blackened stump. There is no
flavor of homo sapiens that originated in North America. They're no more
native or indigenous than anyone else.

As for the terminology, *they* are the ones using the word "Indian" in
their ads, so go bother them with your ridiculous bitching.

> > The ads start with a menacing and frighteningly deep voice: "Do you know
> > that if Prop 27 passes, it will do nothing to solve the homeless crisis?"

> Prop 27 is in California

No, shit. Glad you've made it to the "h"s in your grade school
vocabulary book and you understand what the word "here" means now.
Congratulations.

> > Umm... why would it? It's an initiative to legalize online gambling. It
> > has nothing to do with homelessness, so of course it's not going to do
> > anything for the homeless.

> There's this think called taxation

Taxation is a think now, is it, you offal dump?

[trotsky]

Per what, your rectum, where you pulled it out of? We all originated
from Africa, are you referring to yourself as African now? You're
mentally ill, you take obvious knowledge and pretend that it's
meaningless. If you tried this horseshit in college you'd get a fucking
F in ever class. "Actually, Mrs. Smith, John Williams is the greatest
composer of all time." Mrs. Smith: "Get the fuck out of my class."

"But Mr. Cooper, I literally did drive off of a cliff once."
Mr. Cooper: "Get the fuck out of my class." And so on.

> As for the terminology, *they* are the ones using the word "Indian" in
> their ads, so go bother them with your ridiculous bitching.

Prove it you motherfucking piece of dog shit. Every fucking thing you
say is a lie until proven otherwise. Oh, and newsflash: try using the
word "nigger" and see where that gets you. "But but but black guys use
it all the time!" So far you're at the 100% level for horse shit.

>>> The ads start with a menacing and frighteningly deep voice: "Do you know
>>> that if Prop 27 passes, it will do nothing to solve the homeless crisis?"
>
>> Prop 27 is in California
>
> No, shit.

Get your balls reattached and see if you can respond to what I said you
fucking eunuch.


>>> Umm... why


Because you're a pathetic weasel in search of actual genitals. Any
other questions you need help with?


>> There's this thing called taxation
>
> Taxation is offal dump?


I have no fucking idea what that's supposed to mean.

[The Horny Goat]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 10:09:15 -0700, BTR1701 <at