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Miss Fisher Murder Mysteries "Till Death Do Us Part" (spoilers)

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Last episode of season 3, no announcement from Australian Broadcasting
Corporation about cancellation or renewal. Clearly, the producers considered
the possibility of a series finale; the title refers to Dot and Hugh finally
getting married, finally.

The writers finally clear up part of the backstory, and we learn where the
money came from! Phryne's father and his cousin served in the Navy in
the Dardanelles Campaign. The cousin was the previous Baron. When the
ship was destroyed by the Turks, the Baron was lost at sea, presumed
drowned, except Phryne's father hid the truth that he'd abandoned his post.
He was shell shocked.

It still doesn't make any sense that BOTH the money, estate, and title
were inherited by a cousin. Yeah, I know the family suffered tremendous
casualties during the war, but still doesn't explain why there wasn't
a closer relative.

Phryne's father had been paying him off all these years, but he was
confronted by him in England, somehow grabbed all the money to hide it
from him, then fled to Australia. He told Phryne's mother that he lost
the money gambling. He sold the estate cheap, which the cousin resented.
I thought Phryne's mother was living in greatly reduced circumstances,
if not poverty.

Phryne's father hid the secret of the desertion because he didn't want
his cousin court martialed, if not executed, and the cousin just
wanted money.

In the case Jack's investigating (actually, Dot and Hugh do far more of
the detecting than Phryne and Jack do), by the law of conservation of
characters, the murderer was revealed because he was the only one left
alive.

There were some amusing moments about religion! Dot's priest goes nuts,
accuses the scientists of sacrilege as if it's the trial of Galileo,
then behaves so badly (he struck one of the scientists) that Dot questions
whether he should marry them and she'll settle for a registry office wedding.
Phryne explains that it's not so much religious fervor, but that he's
Irish! Hugh solves the problem by having a Biblical argument with the
priest, points out a passage that supports the expanding universe theory;
the priest relents.

Instead of just dressing nicely, Dot wears an elaborate wedding gown
with an extremely long train. Yeah, right.

Phryne is determined to save her parents' marriage and, over his objections,
flies her father back to her mother. Jack does the romatic gesture
Phryne demands by meeting her at the air strip, although it's more like
she's taking off on a country road. Phryne and her father head to England.

It's impossible to believe that Miss Fisher would limit herself to just
one man.

anim8rfsk

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Adam H. Kerman wrote:
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> Last episode of season 3, no announcement from Australian Broadcasting
> Corporation about cancellation or renewal. Clearly, the producers 
> considered the possibility of a series finale; the title refers to
> Dot and Hugh finally getting married, finally.

It's probably intended to also refer to Phryne and Jack, and Pryne's
parents, and Phryne and her father, and maybe the once and future
Barons, and maybe even the show and the audience as well. :)

> The writers finally clear up part of the backstory, and we learn where 
> the money came from! Phryne's father and his cousin served in the Navy in
> the Dardanelles Campaign. The cousin was the previous Baron. When the
> ship was destroyed by the Turks, the Baron was lost at sea, presumed
> drowned, except Phryne's father hid the truth that he'd abandoned his 
> post. He was shell shocked.

We find out that the entire estate was worth less than the prize money,
50,000 pounds.

> It still doesn't make any sense that BOTH the money, estate, and title
> were inherited by a cousin. Yeah, I know the family suffered tremendous
> casualties during the war, but still doesn't explain why there wasn't
> a closer relative.

I don't have any closer relatives than cousins.

I'm unclear as to the nature of the estate. Apparently Dad sold the
estate (cheap) to come up with money for the first Baron, so the
properties must be gone (assuming there were some) and the money must
have already been gone, but we don't know where.

> Phryne's father had been paying him off all these years, but he was
> confronted by him in England, somehow grabbed all the money to hide it
> from him, then fled to Australia.

I ... didn't get that. I thought he sold the estate cheap, gave the
first Baron the money, and the Baron was just crazy so it didn't help.
If Dad still has the estate money, why is he trying to steal the prize
money, or hitting Phryne up?

He told Phryne's mother that he lost
> the money gambling. He sold the estate cheap, which the cousin resented.
> I thought Phryne's mother was living in greatly reduced circumstances,
> if not poverty.

Yes, that's why Dad was taking the 10k to her.

But ...

I have *no* idea where the Hell Phryne's money came from, as it
apparently was NOT part of the family estate.

I'm also unclear as to why the first Baron thinks that Dad gambled away
the estate - wasn't that the cover story he came up with to hide from
Mom the fact that he'd paid off the Baron with it?

> Phryne's father hid the secret of the desertion because he didn't want
> his cousin court martialed, if not executed, and the cousin just
> wanted money.

Once the cousin starts murdering people, much less policemen, you'd
think that ship would have sailed. We never got a decent look at the
Copper he killed; maybe it was Dot's erstwhile beau. :)

Come to think of it, given that we've seen Jack arrest people for
withholding evidence, Dad needs to spend some quality jail time for
getting (at least) that policeman killed too.

> In the case Jack's investigating (actually, Dot and Hugh do far more of

That blue lit observatory murder scene is beautiful!

> the detecting than Phryne and Jack do), by the law of conservation of
> characters, the murderer was revealed because he was the only one left
> alive.

I'm not 100% sure *who* the killer with the machete was.

AFAIK the 'dying from licking the brushes while painting radioactive
material on watches' story is true. Certainly we heard it on the
playground as children. :)

> There were some amusing moments about religion! Dot's priest goes nuts,

The even weirder question was the guy who asked how somebody in London
got data from down under. I guess they just needed to point him out ...

> accuses the scientists of sacrilege as if it's the trial of Galileo,
> then behaves so badly (he struck one of the scientists) that Dot 

Apparently knocking the guy down and fracturing his skull; even if that
wasn't cause of death, you'd think the priest would get locked up

I'm not sure exactly why they think Phryne's father will be safe once
they put him on the boat to England, given there's a murdering mystery
madman who already followed him across the world.

> questions whether he should marry them and she'll settle for a registry office wedding.
> Phryne explains that it's not so much religious fervor, but that he's
> Irish!

Hee hee, being Irish cancels out the Christian part of being a Priest.

Hugh solves the problem by having a Biblical argument with the
> priest, points out a passage that supports the expanding universe theory;
> the priest relents.

I like to know the backstory as to why Hugh left the show, they rang in
a replacement, and then he came back just in time to claim the girl and
appear in the finale. It really doesn't seem to have been for story
reasons.

> Instead of just dressing nicely, Dot wears an elaborate wedding gown
> with an extremely long train. Yeah, right.

yeah, where did THAT come from? Nobody said Phryne gave it to her (the
only reasonable answer) and the last we heard, Dot's family was saying
she wasn't even entitled to wear white after that scandalous photo!

Whatever happened to the adopted daughter(s)? Couldn't they afford the
aunt? The tiny no-guest wedding would have made more sense in the
registry than the church.

Somewhere along the line they gave up the idea of Phryne being a P.I.
like Magnum and turned her into a 'everybody around her gets killed'
civilian like 'Murder She Wrote' albeit with a 'special constable' badge
like Batman.

> Phryne is determined to save her parents' marriage and, over his 
> objections, flies her father back to her mother.

Because, like the money transfer, there is no faster way for a message
to beat the ship back to England - you can only go physically.

Jack does the romatic gesture
> Phryne demands by meeting her at the air strip, although it's more like she's taking off
> on a country road. Phryne and her father head to England.

I wonder how many stops they'll have to make. Or if they'll try to
intercept the boat - after all, Mom's ultimatum was that he be on the
boat when it docked, not that he beat it there.

Back in May they were claiming the aerial adventures were a set up for a
Miss Fisher movie:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/miss-fishers-murder-mysteries-to-
be-a-movie-filmed-in-the-uk/news-story/be78fb3424f21b292ef2a24740845855

The most recent mention of it I can find is from October, but it's just
citing the article above.

I'm not certain how interested I am in a "Miss Fisher's Aerial
Adventures" movie shot in England without the OZ locations and
supporting cast (who would be ridiculously hard to shoehorn in)

> It's impossible to believe that Miss Fisher would limit herself to just
> one man.

With no offense to Jack, much less Jack Robinson.

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Adam H. Kerman

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anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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>>The writers finally clear up part of the backstory, and we learn where
>>the money came from! Phryne's father and his cousin served in the Navy in
>>the Dardanelles Campaign. The cousin was the previous Baron. When the
>>ship was destroyed by the Turks, the Baron was lost at sea, presumed
>>drowned, except Phryne's father hid the truth that he'd abandoned his
>> post. He was shell shocked.

>We find out that the entire estate was worth less than the prize money,
>50,000 pounds.

Who knows what it was worth when he "inherited" it.

>>It still doesn't make any sense that BOTH the money, estate, and title
>>were inherited by a cousin. Yeah, I know the family suffered tremendous
>>casualties during the war, but still doesn't explain why there wasn't
>>a closer relative.

>I don't have any closer relatives than cousins.

It was established that Phryne's father came from a family with lots of
relatives, so it makes no sense that there weren't closer brothers, sons,
or even nephews.

>I'm unclear as to the nature of the estate. Apparently Dad sold the
>estate (cheap) to come up with money for the first Baron, so the
>properties must be gone (assuming there were some) and the money must
>have already been gone, but we don't know where.

Was it really established that he sold it? When? He'd been paying off the
cousin for years BUT his wife lived there, so he must have borrowed
against it. At the end, yeah, it was sold, but my guess is that it was
foreclosed upon. Really makes no sense.

>>Phryne's father had been paying him off all these years, but he was
>>confronted by him in England, somehow grabbed all the money to hide it
>>from him, then fled to Australia.

>I ... didn't get that. I thought he sold the estate cheap, gave the
>first Baron the money, and the Baron was just crazy so it didn't help.
>If Dad still has the estate money, why is he trying to steal the prize
>money, or hitting Phryne up?

This show's backstory would make a good drinking game, you know?

>>He told Phryne's mother that he lost the money gambling. He sold the
>>estate cheap, which the cousin resented. I thought Phryne's mother
>>was living in greatly reduced circumstances, if not poverty.

>Yes, that's why Dad was taking the 10k to her.

>But ...

>I have *no* idea where the Hell Phryne's money came from, as it
>apparently was NOT part of the family estate.

There must have been a pile of cash set aside for Phryne when her father
first "inherited" cash from his cousin. If there hadn't been, her father
would have spent all of it. That really doesn't sound like something
her father would do.

>I'm also unclear as to why the first Baron thinks that Dad gambled away
>the estate - wasn't that the cover story he came up with to hide from
>Mom the fact that he'd paid off the Baron with it?

I have no idea what the audience is truly supposed to believe about
his story.

>>Phryne's father hid the secret of the desertion because he didn't want
>>his cousin court martialed, if not executed, and the cousin just
>>wanted money.

>Once the cousin starts murdering people, much less policemen, you'd
>think that ship would have sailed. We never got a decent look at the
>Copper he killed; maybe it was Dot's erstwhile beau. :)

Let's hope.

>Come to think of it, given that we've seen Jack arrest people for
>withholding evidence, Dad needs to spend some quality jail time for
>getting (at least) that policeman killed too.

Yes.

>>In the case Jack's investigating (actually, Dot and Hugh do far more of

>That blue lit observatory murder scene is beautiful!

It really was cool, wasn't it.

>>the detecting than Phryne and Jack do), by the law of conservation of
>>characters, the murderer was revealed because he was the only one left
>>alive.

>I'm not 100% sure *who* the killer with the machete was.

I thought the cousin? There seemed to be no reason for THAT murder,
except the formulaic writing called for a murder in that scene.

>AFAIK the 'dying from licking the brushes while painting radioactive
>material on watches' story is true. Certainly we heard it on the
>playground as children. :)

There was an infamous factor like that in a Chicago suburb, and a vacant
lot where the factory had been that was still contaminated many decades
later.

>>There were some amusing moments about religion! Dot's priest goes nuts,

>The even weirder question was the guy who asked how somebody in London
>got data from down under. I guess they just needed to point him out ...

I guess that was a really lengthy telegram; Federal Express probably took
a month in those days. That scene infuriated me and I had to watch it a
second time to confirm it really was as STOOPID as it seemed the first time.
I was sure I missed something.

>>accuses the scientists of sacrilege as if it's the trial of Galileo,
>>then behaves so badly (he struck one of the scientists) that Dot

>Apparently knocking the guy down and fracturing his skull; even if that
>wasn't cause of death, you'd think the priest would get locked up

You should watch Father Brown; they don't lock up serial killers.

>I'm not sure exactly why they think Phryne's father will be safe once
>they put him on the boat to England, given there's a murdering mystery
>madman who already followed him across the world.

Right.

>>questions whether he should marry them and she'll settle for a registry
>>office wedding. Phryne explains that it's not so much religious fervor,
>>but that he's Irish!

>Hee hee, being Irish cancels out the Christian part of being a Priest.

>>Hugh solves the problem by having a Biblical argument with the priest,
>>points out a passage that supports the expanding universe theory;
>>the priest relents.

>I like to know the backstory as to why Hugh left the show, they rang in
>a replacement, and then he came back just in time to claim the girl and
>appear in the finale. It really doesn't seem to have been for story
>reasons.

My guess the actor was injured.

>>Instead of just dressing nicely, Dot wears an elaborate wedding gown
>>with an extremely long train. Yeah, right.

>yeah, where did THAT come from? Nobody said Phryne gave it to her (the
>only reasonable answer) and the last we heard, Dot's family was saying
>she wasn't even entitled to wear white after that scandalous photo!

Even if Phryne gave it to her, when was it made?

>Whatever happened to the adopted daughter(s)? Couldn't they afford the
>aunt? The tiny no-guest wedding would have made more sense in the
>registry than the church.

Exactly, but that would have meant no resolution of the stupidity of the
religious issues. Why would characters act logically on television? As
Phryne has a variable number of foster daughters, I'd have liked to have
seen what number they came up with for this episode.

>Somewhere along the line they gave up the idea of Phryne being a P.I.
>like Magnum and turned her into a 'everybody around her gets killed'
>civilian like 'Murder She Wrote' albeit with a 'special constable' badge
>like Batman.

Hehehehehe

>Back in May they were claiming the aerial adventures were a set up for a
>Miss Fisher movie:

>http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/miss-fishers-murder-mysteries-to-be-a-movie-filmed-in-the-uk/news-story/be78fb3424f21b292ef2a24740845855

>The most recent mention of it I can find is from October, but it's just
>citing the article above.

Thanks

>I'm not certain how interested I am in a "Miss Fisher's Aerial
>Adventures" movie shot in England without the OZ locations and
>supporting cast (who would be ridiculously hard to shoehorn in)

I agree.

anim8rfsk

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In article <n63s7n$u1k$1...@news.albasani.net>,
It's *said* he sold it, cheap, and made up the gambling story to hide
from his wife that he sold the estate to pay off the Baron, but I don't
know what he sold or if he really did or again why the Baron is mad.

> cousin for years BUT his wife lived there, so he must have borrowed
> against it. At the end, yeah, it was sold, but my guess is that it was
> foreclosed upon. Really makes no sense.

Actually, AFAIK, he only paid off the Baron twice - once when he first
showed up, and then recently "all these years later" when he showed up
again. What I can't figure is what set off the Baron to try and kill
him after the second payoff.
>
> >>Phryne's father had been paying him off all these years, but he was
> >>confronted by him in England, somehow grabbed all the money to hide it
> >>from him, then fled to Australia.
>
> >I ... didn't get that. I thought he sold the estate cheap, gave the
> >first Baron the money, and the Baron was just crazy so it didn't help.
> >If Dad still has the estate money, why is he trying to steal the prize
> >money, or hitting Phryne up?
>
> This show's backstory would make a good drinking game, you know?

heh
>
> >>He told Phryne's mother that he lost the money gambling. He sold the
> >>estate cheap, which the cousin resented. I thought Phryne's mother
> >>was living in greatly reduced circumstances, if not poverty.
>
> >Yes, that's why Dad was taking the 10k to her.
>
> >But ...
>
> >I have *no* idea where the Hell Phryne's money came from, as it
> >apparently was NOT part of the family estate.
>
> There must have been a pile of cash set aside for Phryne when her father
> first "inherited" cash from his cousin. If there hadn't been, her father
> would have spent all of it. That really doesn't sound like something
> her father would do.

Yeah.
>
> >I'm also unclear as to why the first Baron thinks that Dad gambled away
> >the estate - wasn't that the cover story he came up with to hide from
> >Mom the fact that he'd paid off the Baron with it?
>
> I have no idea what the audience is truly supposed to believe about
> his story.

Agreed.
>
> >>Phryne's father hid the secret of the desertion because he didn't want
> >>his cousin court martialed, if not executed, and the cousin just
> >>wanted money.
>
> >Once the cousin starts murdering people, much less policemen, you'd
> >think that ship would have sailed. We never got a decent look at the
> >Copper he killed; maybe it was Dot's erstwhile beau. :)
>
> Let's hope.

Yep.
>
> >Come to think of it, given that we've seen Jack arrest people for
> >withholding evidence, Dad needs to spend some quality jail time for
> >getting (at least) that policeman killed too.
>
> Yes.
>
> >>In the case Jack's investigating (actually, Dot and Hugh do far more of
>
> >That blue lit observatory murder scene is beautiful!
>
> It really was cool, wasn't it.
>
> >>the detecting than Phryne and Jack do), by the law of conservation of
> >>characters, the murderer was revealed because he was the only one left
> >>alive.
>
> >I'm not 100% sure *who* the killer with the machete was.
>
> I thought the cousin? There seemed to be no reason for THAT murder,
> except the formulaic writing called for a murder in that scene.

Well, the victim was going to blab what really happened to the polonium,
so it could have been the uncle or the other guy.
>
> >AFAIK the 'dying from licking the brushes while painting radioactive
> >material on watches' story is true. Certainly we heard it on the
> >playground as children. :)
>
> There was an infamous factor like that in a Chicago suburb, and a vacant
> lot where the factory had been that was still contaminated many decades
> later.
>
> >>There were some amusing moments about religion! Dot's priest goes nuts,
>
> >The even weirder question was the guy who asked how somebody in London
> >got data from down under. I guess they just needed to point him out ...
>
> I guess that was a really lengthy telegram; Federal Express probably took
> a month in those days. That scene infuriated me and I had to watch it a
> second time to confirm it really was as STOOPID as it seemed the first time.
> I was sure I missed something.

LOL, yes; I decided I forgot something from a previous episode.
>
> >>accuses the scientists of sacrilege as if it's the trial of Galileo,
> >>then behaves so badly (he struck one of the scientists) that Dot
>
> >Apparently knocking the guy down and fracturing his skull; even if that
> >wasn't cause of death, you'd think the priest would get locked up
>
> You should watch Father Brown; they don't lock up serial killers.
>
> >I'm not sure exactly why they think Phryne's father will be safe once
> >they put him on the boat to England, given there's a murdering mystery
> >madman who already followed him across the world.
>
> Right.
>
> >>questions whether he should marry them and she'll settle for a registry
> >>office wedding. Phryne explains that it's not so much religious fervor,
> >>but that he's Irish!
>
> >Hee hee, being Irish cancels out the Christian part of being a Priest.
>
> >>Hugh solves the problem by having a Biblical argument with the priest,
> >>points out a passage that supports the expanding universe theory;
> >>the priest relents.
>
> >I like to know the backstory as to why Hugh left the show, they rang in
> >a replacement, and then he came back just in time to claim the girl and
> >appear in the finale. It really doesn't seem to have been for story
> >reasons.
>
> My guess the actor was injured.

Could be

Or it might have been San Andreas fault.

google google

yes, that looks likely

http://mfmm.dreamcoloredink.com/index.php?topic=48.0

Ah, here we go:

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/media/in-case-you-missed-it-season-3-of-mis
s-fishers-murder-mysteries-arrived/2246840

"Hugh disappears, Jane apparently fell off the face of the planet and
Arthur died

I'm all for actors enjoying other gigs (actually, I'm that nerd
constantly scoping out IMDB for "where did I see this actor before?"),
but Hugo Johnstone-Burt's turn in the Rock's San Andreas had his
Constable Hugh Collins absent for a chunk of season 3... right as Hugh
and Dot's wedding plans are getting rolling. There's a haphazard attempt
at explanation - Hugh wants a promotion he doesn't get, so of course he
throws a totally irresponsible hissy fit and runs away - but mostly,
Hugh just doesn't show up one week and other characters refer to him
having "gone fishing." Well, uh, okay. That makes sense. And by that I
mean it makes no sense whatsoever, even if you consider "gone fishing" a
euphemism for him going off the grid. Also a head-scratcher: Phryne's
adopted daughter Jane is so far gone she doesn't even warrant a mention
as far as I can remember. Another previous character who's only barely
mentioned: Phryne's cousin Arthur, who apparently has died. The only way
you know he's died is that his death haunts his mother/Phryne's aunt
Prudence in an episode with an unrelated murder. SAD."
>
> >>Instead of just dressing nicely, Dot wears an elaborate wedding gown
> >>with an extremely long train. Yeah, right.
>
> >yeah, where did THAT come from? Nobody said Phryne gave it to her (the
> >only reasonable answer) and the last we heard, Dot's family was saying
> >she wasn't even entitled to wear white after that scandalous photo!
>
> Even if Phryne gave it to her, when was it made?

Who knows what Phryne has tucked away in all the closets of that big
house?
>
> >Whatever happened to the adopted daughter(s)? Couldn't they afford the
> >aunt? The tiny no-guest wedding would have made more sense in the
> >registry than the church.
>
> Exactly, but that would have meant no resolution of the stupidity of the
> religious issues. Why would characters act logically on television? As
> Phryne has a variable number of foster daughters, I'd have liked to have
> seen what number they came up with for this episode.

Well, it seems to be 'zero'
>
> >Somewhere along the line they gave up the idea of Phryne being a P.I.
> >like Magnum and turned her into a 'everybody around her gets killed'
> >civilian like 'Murder She Wrote' albeit with a 'special constable' badge
> >like Batman.
>
> Hehehehehe

:)
>
> >Back in May they were claiming the aerial adventures were a set up for a
> >Miss Fisher movie:
>
> >http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/miss-fishers-murder-mysteries-to-be-a
> >-movie-filmed-in-the-uk/news-story/be78fb3424f21b292ef2a24740845855
>
> >The most recent mention of it I can find is from October, but it's just
> >citing the article above.
>
> Thanks

Sure. At least it explains the end.
>
> >I'm not certain how interested I am in a "Miss Fisher's Aerial
> >Adventures" movie shot in England without the OZ locations and
> >supporting cast (who would be ridiculously hard to shoehorn in)
>
> I agree.

Also, they better do it fast ... the actress is starting to look like
Phryne's mother.

Adam H. Kerman

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>>anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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>> >> e

>>>I'm unclear as to the nature of the estate. Apparently Dad sold the
>>>estate (cheap) to come up with money for the first Baron, so the
>>>properties must be gone (assuming there were some) and the money must
>>>have already been gone, but we don't know where.

>>Was it really established that he sold it? When? He'd been paying off the

>It's *said* he sold it, cheap, and made up the gambling story to hide
>from his wife that he sold the estate to pay off the Baron, but I don't
>know what he sold or if he really did or again why the Baron is mad.

I was wondering if he sold it cheap because there wasn't much proceeds
left after the mortgage. I'm just having trouble believing that he inherited
fabulous amount of CASH. Great estates do nothing but eat cash. They
never talked about tenant farmers or anything else that could earn a
bit of income for the estate. I don't know if was still large enough
to have tenants, or maybe they'd been selling off the land to pay taxes
and expenses.

We know he and the cousin had an argument in England. Was the cousin really
trying to kill him at that time? Just seems like the cousin would have been
a whole lot easier to deal with if Phryne's father had never left England.

I don't recall if he'd murdered anyone before Phryne's father fled.

>>cousin for years BUT his wife lived there, so he must have borrowed
>>against it. At the end, yeah, it was sold, but my guess is that it was
>>foreclosed upon. Really makes no sense.

>Actually, AFAIK, he only paid off the Baron twice - once when he first
>showed up, and then recently "all these years later" when he showed up
>again. What I can't figure is what set off the Baron to try and kill
>him after the second payoff.

The cousin said he was upset that Phryne's father sold his ancestral
home... which he didn't give a damn about, but could have prevented
by NOT confronting Phryne's father (unless I'm right about pending foreclosure
and there was no other choice but to sell).

I suspect this many years after the end of the war, an affirmative defense
of shell shock would have had some sympathy and he wouldn't have been
executed, especially given that he has a title. It's not like they can't
afford lawyers. By the end of the '20s, wasn't shell shock actually
recognized as a medical condition?

>>>>Phryne's father had been paying him off all these years, but he was
>>>>confronted by him in England, somehow grabbed all the money to hide it
>>>>from him, then fled to Australia.

>>>I ... didn't get that. I thought he sold the estate cheap, gave the
>>>first Baron the money, and the Baron was just crazy so it didn't help.
>>>If Dad still has the estate money, why is he trying to steal the prize
>>>money, or hitting Phryne up?

>>This show's backstory would make a good drinking game, you know?

>heh

>>>>He told Phryne's mother that he lost the money gambling. He sold the
>>>>estate cheap, which the cousin resented. I thought Phryne's mother
>>>>was living in greatly reduced circumstances, if not poverty.

>>>Yes, that's why Dad was taking the 10k to her.

>>>But ...

>>>I have *no* idea where the Hell Phryne's money came from, as it
>>>apparently was NOT part of the family estate.

>>There must have been a pile of cash set aside for Phryne when her father
>>first "inherited" cash from his cousin. If there hadn't been, her father
>>would have spent all of it. That really doesn't sound like something
>>her father would do.

>Yeah.

You're asking the wrong person. I just don't have hunter's fanwanking skills.
Thanks for finding that. So, Hugh left Dot for... The Rock!

>>>>Instead of just dressing nicely, Dot wears an elaborate wedding gown
>>>>with an extremely long train. Yeah, right.

>>>yeah, where did THAT come from? Nobody said Phryne gave it to her (the
>>>only reasonable answer) and the last we heard, Dot's family was saying
>>>she wasn't even entitled to wear white after that scandalous photo!

>>Even if Phryne gave it to her, when was it made?

>Who knows what Phryne has tucked away in all the closets of that big
>house? . . .

Good thing Dot was the right size, then!

anim8rfsk

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I'm assuming that the dead guy in the Thames that Phryne thought her
father killed was killed by the Baron.
>
> I don't recall if he'd murdered anyone before Phryne's father fled.

See above
>
> >>cousin for years BUT his wife lived there, so he must have borrowed
> >>against it. At the end, yeah, it was sold, but my guess is that it was
> >>foreclosed upon. Really makes no sense.
>
> >Actually, AFAIK, he only paid off the Baron twice - once when he first
> >showed up, and then recently "all these years later" when he showed up
> >again. What I can't figure is what set off the Baron to try and kill
> >him after the second payoff.
>
> The cousin said he was upset that Phryne's father sold his ancestral
> home... which he didn't give a damn about, but could have prevented
> by NOT confronting Phryne's father (unless I'm right about pending
> foreclosure
> and there was no other choice but to sell).
>
> I suspect this many years after the end of the war, an affirmative defense
> of shell shock would have had some sympathy and he wouldn't have been
> executed, especially given that he has a title. It's not like they can't
> afford lawyers. By the end of the '20s, wasn't shell shock actually
> recognized as a medical condition?

I think that Dad was more concerned about the family reputation than
what would happen to the Baron.
snort
>
> >>>>Instead of just dressing nicely, Dot wears an elaborate wedding gown
> >>>>with an extremely long train. Yeah, right.
>
> >>>yeah, where did THAT come from? Nobody said Phryne gave it to her (the
> >>>only reasonable answer) and the last we heard, Dot's family was saying
> >>>she wasn't even entitled to wear white after that scandalous photo!
>
> >>Even if Phryne gave it to her, when was it made?
>
> >Who knows what Phryne has tucked away in all the closets of that big
> >house? . . .
>
> Good thing Dot was the right size, then!

Yeah.

Pertinent dialog excerpts from all 3 eps Henry was in:

From DEATH DEFYING FEATS

Phryne: Father took the opportunity to visit while Mother is doing the
season in London.

Phryne (after reading letter): My money. What I'd like to know is how
you managed to squander yours. Is that why you sold the estate in
Somerset? Mother wrote to Prudence. She thinks you're in London,
looking to buy a townhouse.

From DEATH AT THE GRAND

Phryne: I've already taken the money to the bank. It's being wired to
England as we speak.

From DEATH DO US PART

Baron: I've roamed this Earth, like a beggar, while you reigned over my
life, my home, my history, and you dared to sell it for a song!
Dad: The Estate!?!

Dad: I know where to get you money - more than your fortune was worth.
The Estate can be yours again - 50,000 pounds in cash.

Jack: March 18, 1915, Battleship "Ocean," Morto Bay, Turkish Gunfire
Phryne: Captain William Eugene Fisher, my father's cousin, the previous
Baron of Richmond upon Thames. Reported missing, presumed drowned.

Jack: Eugene Fisher, we're arresting you for multiple charges of murder
and abduction.

Phryne: Why did you hide Eugene from us?
Dad: We all thought he died during the war. When he showed up the
first time, I couldn't believe it. But if I told anyone he'd have been
court-martialed for desertion, I couldn't have that. Not when all he
wanted was money.
Dad: We had money, a beautiful home, a happy future.
Phryne: And then Eugene returned?
Dad: A few months ago, out of the blue. He told me he'd already killed
a man to hide our secret. He demanded everything. And all I could
think of to do was to take the money and run. I told your mother I lost
everything in a game of cards. But I promised to get it back.
Phryne: Well you have.


From the books:
http://miss-fishers-murder-mysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Miss_Phryne_Fisher

Phryne is a wealthy aristocrat who lives in St Kilda, Melbourne in 1928.
She is a 28-year-old (born December 21, 1900) detective who, with the
assistance of her maid Dot and Bert and Cec (who are wharfies,
taxidrivers and red raggers), solves all manner of crimes.

Phryne Fisher was born to Margaret and Henry Fisher and spent her
childhood in Richmond, Melbourne. She had one sister named Jane who was
kidnapped and murdered when Phryne was a child. The Fisher's weren't
always rich, they were a poor family until World War I when several
young men between the 'title' and her father died, thus making her
father a baron and Phyrne an Hononorable with an enormous fortune. After
finishing school, Phryne ran away to France where she joined a French
women's ambulance unit during WWI, receiving a reward for bravery and a
French war pension. She then worked as a painting model for the artist
Pierre S in Montparnasse after the war. She became very close friends
with Pierre and his wife Veronique.

After several years here and there, Phryne moved from England
to Melbourne temporarily to investigate for a family friend. She enjoyed
the lifestyle so much she stayed on permanently. Through the course of
the books, Phryne collects a personal maid, Dorothy Williams (who
everyone refers to as Dot); two adoptive daughters, Ruth and Jane (whom
she rescued from slavery); a cat, Ember; a dog, Molly; and two loyal
servants, the Butlers. She also has relationships with a string of
lovers, most notably Lin Chung, a wealthy Chinese man (whom she rescues
in the city one evening). Lin is the only lover with whom she maintains
a relationship for more than a few books and even goes so far as to make
a deal with his grandmother that when he is married she be allowed to
continue a relationship with him.

Adam H. Kerman

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>>anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

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>>We know he and the cousin had an argument in England. Was the cousin really
>>trying to kill him at that time? Just seems like the cousin would have been
>>a whole lot easier to deal with if Phryne's father had never left England.

>I'm assuming that the dead guy in the Thames that Phryne thought her
>father killed was killed by the Baron.

Oh, yeah; thanks.

>Pertinent dialog excerpts from all 3 eps Henry was in:

Thanks.

>From DEATH DO US PART

>Baron: I've roamed this Earth, like a beggar, while you reigned over my
>life, my home, my history, and you dared to sell it for a song!
>Dad: The Estate!?!

>Dad: I know where to get you money - more than your fortune was worth.
>The Estate can be yours again - 50,000 pounds in cash.

This is one of the reasons why I thought it was foreclosed on. If someone
bought the estate to live there, they wouldn't sell it back for what
they paid. Anyway, he couldn't promise that.
Thanks for this as well.

anim8rfsk

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The timeline gives me a headache, but I don't know what else that was
all about.
>
> >Pertinent dialog excerpts from all 3 eps Henry was in:
>
> Thanks.
>
> >From DEATH DO US PART
>
> >Baron: I've roamed this Earth, like a beggar, while you reigned over my
> >life, my home, my history, and you dared to sell it for a song!
> >Dad: The Estate!?!
>
> >Dad: I know where to get you money - more than your fortune was worth.
> >The Estate can be yours again - 50,000 pounds in cash.
>
> This is one of the reasons why I thought it was foreclosed on. If someone
> bought the estate to live there, they wouldn't sell it back for what
> they paid. Anyway, he couldn't promise that.

It's why I thought the 'Estate' might not be more than cash and the
title, but I agree your interpretation is more likely.

>
> >From the books:
> >http://miss-fishers-murder-mysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Miss_Phryne_Fisher
>
> Thanks for this as well.

Sure, although it raises as many questions as it answers.

So there are THREE sums of money. Dad apparently sold the estate and
absconded with the money (I have no idea why he didn't pay the Baron,
since that's apparently why he sold the estate); then there's the money
Phryne advanced him in the circus episode, then at some point she gave
him 10k for Mom and expected him to leave with it. I have no idea if
Dad ever returned any of it. I have no idea why Dad needed the circus
money at all, since he apparently had the estate money all along. I
have no idea if Phryne and Dad are returning to Mom with the Estate
money, or the newly borrowed 10K, or both.
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