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Mark

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Apr 7, 2002, 11:59:15 AM4/7/02
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I'm too young to remember the first airing of the Columbo series starring
Peter Falk. But now, I can watch it every now and then on A&E. I gotta say
that it's a terrific detective/crime show. I love it.

Keep showing them, A&E!


Sandy McDermin

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Apr 7, 2002, 1:29:28 PM4/7/02
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Mark wrote:
>
> I'm too young to remember the first airing of the Columbo series starring
> Peter Falk. But now, I can watch it every now and then on A&E. I gotta say
> that it's a terrific detective/crime show. I love it.
>

It was a good show, but what I miss more is the series of which it was a
part. (At least, I believe Columbo was a part of the Mystery Movie
series.) Every week they'd cycle between three or four different mystery
series: McCloud, McMillan and Wife, Columbo, ??? Don't remember if
there were more. In any event, I thought it was a marvelous concept and
a great way of keeping each show fresh. Who knows how long the
individual series would have last if they had to produce a new show,
from each series, each week.

I frankly wish current series would take this route, especially the
franchise series like Law and Order. Call it Law and Order Theater, or
whatever, and every week show a different L&O -- Law and Order, Law and
Order: Special Victims, and Law and Order: Criminal Intent -- series
until you get through a cycle whereupon you start again with a new
episode of the first.

If it weren't for the fact that I really like the original CSI, I would
suggest they do the same thing with the CSI offshoot they are currently
planning.

Sandy

M. V.L. M.

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Apr 7, 2002, 1:33:59 PM4/7/02
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"Mark" <us...@nospam.com> wrote:

>I'm too young to remember the first airing of the Columbo series starring
>Peter Falk. But now, I can watch it every now and then on A&E. I gotta say
>that it's a terrific detective/crime show. I love it.
>


Oh, I know. My mother has always been a huge 'Columbo' fan, always
claiming the movies never had the same spark as the series. I
remember catching one or two repeated episodes as a child, and
enjoying them greatly.

I don't have cable at the present time, but I would love to be able to
see 'Columbo' on a regular basis, on A&E. I was fortunate enough to
see the one with Johnny Cash over the Thanksgiving holiday. It was
great -- I could hardly get any cooking done!


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walterlane

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Apr 7, 2002, 3:29:21 PM4/7/02
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I think they sound revive the TV movie series with Tony Danza as
Columbo.

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Greg H.

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>It was a good show, but what I miss more is the series of which it was a
>part. (At least, I believe Columbo was a part of the Mystery Movie
>series.) Every week they'd cycle between three or four different mystery
>series: McCloud, McMillan and Wife, Columbo, ???

Banacek (starring George Peppard) was the other mystery. Unlike Columbo, where
you saw how the murder was committed, Banacek as a free-lance insurance
investigtor would look for things that turned up missing. Subtle clues were
introduced throughout the episode, and the missing item would be found in the
end!

Adam H. Kerman

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Apr 7, 2002, 6:23:07 PM4/7/02
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Greg H. <gre...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:

"Banacek" was highly stylized; never worked for me. Not subtle about
emphasizing Polish culture in the grand Hollywood tradition of overcoming old
stereotypes by substituting old, cliched characters. I hated the character
played by Murray Matheson, speaking of cliches.

The first four episodes of "Quincy, M.E." were aired as part of the Mystery
Movie rotation. But then they pulled the Mystery Movie while keeping Quincy.

The first season of McCloud was NOT aired in the Mystery Movie rotation. Those
shows were only an hour. "McCloud" wasn't great, but the bi-play among the
main characters always cracked me up.

Greg H.

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Apr 7, 2002, 8:34:25 PM4/7/02
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>"Banacek" was highly stylized; never worked for me. Not subtle about
>emphasizing Polish culture in the grand Hollywood tradition of overcoming old
>stereotypes by substituting old, cliched characters. I hated the character
>played by Murray Matheson, speaking of cliches.

I think most of those "old Polish proverbs" that T. Banacek spouted were made
up! Felix was a character that I found interesting, a foil for Banacek to play
off on and constantly aggravate!

Jeff Troutman

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Apr 7, 2002, 9:01:57 PM4/7/02
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"M. V.L. M." <m_v_l_m@*.*> wrote:

> "Mark" <us...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don't have cable at the present time, but I would love to be able to
> see 'Columbo' on a regular basis, on A&E. I was fortunate enough to
> see the one with Johnny Cash over the Thanksgiving holiday. It was
> great -- I could hardly get any cooking done!
>

That's one of my favorite Columbo eps. Cash is surprisingly good.


Jeff Troutman

SiKing

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"M. V.L. M." wrote:
> I don't have cable at the present time, but I would love to be able to
> see 'Columbo' on a regular basis, on A&E. I was fortunate enough to
> see the one with Johnny Cash over the Thanksgiving holiday. It was
> great -- I could hardly get any cooking done!

For whatever it's worth, I think Columbia House Video sells the whole set.
I was once really tempted to get them ...

SiKing.

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Maureen Goldman

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Apr 7, 2002, 11:38:59 PM4/7/02
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gre...@aol.comNOSPAM (Greg H.) wrote:

>Banacek (starring George Peppard) was the other mystery. Unlike Columbo, where
>you saw how the murder was committed, Banacek as a free-lance insurance
>investigtor would look for things that turned up missing. Subtle clues were
>introduced throughout the episode, and the missing item would be found in the
>end!

I re-watched Banacek 5 or so years ago on A&E. One of those missing
items was a computer which encompassed an entire long wall. There was
a line of dialogue, something like "Nobody could just tuck a computer
under his arm and walk out."

Bill Ranck

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Apr 8, 2002, 10:12:28 AM4/8/02
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Sandy McDermin <smcd...@erols.com> wrote:

> It was a good show, but what I miss more is the series of which it was a
> part. (At least, I believe Columbo was a part of the Mystery Movie
> series.) Every week they'd cycle between three or four different mystery
> series: McCloud, McMillan and Wife, Columbo, ??? Don't remember if
> there were more. In any event, I thought it was a marvelous concept and
> a great way of keeping each show fresh. Who knows how long the
> individual series would have last if they had to produce a new show,
> from each series, each week.

I seem to remember that "Banacek" was in the mix at one time.

I think the concept could be revived to show short run series
of various types. For example, British shows are often just
6 episodes per season, but that gives the writers and actors
time to really hone their work. Imagine a rotation of 4 different
comedy series in a half-hour slot. They might even get some
bigger name actors to do this since they would not have to commit
to a long term television series grind.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

mat...@vax.hanford.org

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Apr 8, 2002, 3:12:55 PM4/8/02
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In article <3cb08168...@news.prodigy.net>,

M. V.L. M. <m_v...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Mark" <us...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>I'm too young to remember the first airing of the Columbo series starring
>>Peter Falk. But now, I can watch it every now and then on A&E. I gotta say
>>that it's a terrific detective/crime show. I love it.
>
>Oh, I know. My mother has always been a huge 'Columbo' fan, always
>claiming the movies never had the same spark as the series. I

It was always 90 minute or 2 hour-movies.

and the book The Columbo Phile starts with something in the spirit of --
Everyone thinks there must be a million Columbo episodes out there, with
how long it ran..

But it only aired once a month when it was a regularly scheduled show.

I will agree that the original NBC ones were better than the ABC ones,
though even the ABC ones were better than most of the shows on. (Except for
latter few that were based upon some *other* guy's books that were completely
un-Columbo-like. Those weren't good.)

It was good to see Patrick McGoohan and a bunch of the other bad guys
do an ABC one too.

I just wish they'd do some more (not based upon those books).. Peter Falk
isn't getting any younger.

Though as sacrilegious as it sounds, French Stewart or Kevin Pollack
would be interesting to see do a new generation of Columbos. (Yes, I'm
probably being influenced by Pollack's great Falk impersonation, but of
course I *don't* mean for him to do it as an impersonation.)

Actually, with a good script, Columbo is an example of a TV show/movie
that could do a _good_ jump to the theaters.

>I don't have cable at the present time, but I would love to be able to
>see 'Columbo' on a regular basis, on A&E. I was fortunate enough to
>see the one with Johnny Cash over the Thanksgiving holiday. It was
>great -- I could hardly get any cooking done!

I wonder how incredibly hacked up these airings on A&E are.
--
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M. V.L. M.

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mat...@vax.hanford.org wrote:


>It was always 90 minute or 2 hour-movies.
>

This explains why they always seemed a little long to me.

>I will agree that the original NBC ones were better than the ABC ones,
>though even the ABC ones were better than most of the shows on. (Except for
>latter few that were based upon some *other* guy's books that were completely
>un-Columbo-like. Those weren't good.)
>

I'm assuming those latter ones are the things my mother always
detested. My fuzzy kid memories remember them as being the occasional
"special, all new 'Columbo'" movies of the 80's... Sort of what they
do with 'Murder...She Wrote' now?


>Though as sacrilegious as it sounds, French Stewart or Kevin Pollack
>would be interesting to see do a new generation of Columbos. (Yes, I'm
>probably being influenced by Pollack's great Falk impersonation, but of
>course I *don't* mean for him to do it as an impersonation.)
>

I love his impersonation. And I think Pollack would be a great choice
for a new movie -- so long as the writing was good. But, it would
require the audience to really remove their minds from Falk. James
Bond can be replaced, easy, many times over. Lt. Columbo... not so
much.

>I wonder how incredibly hacked up these airings on A&E are.

AGH!
I don't wanna think about it!


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Apr 8, 2002, 8:46:34 PM4/8/02
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>I love his impersonation. And I think Pollack would be a great choice
>for a new movie -- so long as the writing was good. But, it would
>require the audience to really remove their minds from Falk. James
>Bond can be replaced, easy, many times over. Lt. Columbo... not so
>much.

NO to a Columbo "remake"! Let the originals & the newer ones with the ORIGINAL
Columbo stand on their own! Someone trying to do a remake is, in my opinion,
someone who cannot come up with anything ORIGINAL!!

Rick

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Apr 8, 2002, 10:13:23 PM4/8/02
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"Sandy McDermin" <smcd...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Mark wrote:
> >
> > I'm too young to remember the first airing of the Columbo series
starring
> > Peter Falk. But now, I can watch it every now and then on A&E. I
gotta say
> > that it's a terrific detective/crime show. I love it.
> >
>
> It was a good show, but what I miss more is the series of which it
was a
> part. (At least, I believe Columbo was a part of the Mystery Movie
> series.) Every week they'd cycle between three or four different
mystery
> series: McCloud, McMillan and Wife, Columbo, ??? Don't remember if
> there were more. In any event, I thought it was a marvelous concept
and
> a great way of keeping each show fresh. Who knows how long the
> individual series would have last if they had to produce a new show,
> from each series, each week.
>

Ironically, the network didn't want Columbo to be part of that series.
The show was so good that they wanted it to air every week (it was by
far the most popular of the rotating shows and it usually made the
Nielsen top ten). But Peter Falk didn't want to do more than a
handful of episodes each year (he thought it would detract from his
movie career), and that's the only reason Columbo was included in the
rotation rather than a standalone show. I remember getting really
frustrated when they would show three or four McClouds in a row
because they didn't have a new Columbo ready.

It's hard to believe, but the first Columbo movie with Peter Falk was
made way back in 1968 ("Prescription Murder"). In another year he
will have been doing that role for 35 years.

Richard Hudson

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Apr 8, 2002, 11:50:19 PM4/8/02
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>I love his impersonation. And I think Pollack would be a great choice
>for a new movie -- so long as the writing was good. But, it would
>require the audience to really remove their minds from Falk. James
>Bond can be replaced, easy, many times over. Lt. Columbo... not so
>much.

He could play Columbo's son. Mabye Seargeant Columbo.

Richard Hudson

PkJ0891

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SiKing <nos...@noway.invalid> wrote:

>For whatever it's worth, I think Columbia House Video sells the whole set.
>I was once really tempted to get them ...

Unless Columbia House has finally gotten around to it, they were nowhere near
having released the entire series. AFAIK, I own all the CH videos that are
currently available. What I wish they'd do is release several episodes on DVD,
and add a commentary track with Falk and some of the guest stars.


PKJ

deering

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:08:54 AM4/9/02
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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:


>
> Greg H. <gre...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
> >Banacek (starring George Peppard) was the other mystery. Unlike Columbo,
> >where you saw how the murder was committed, Banacek as a free-lance
> >insurance investigtor would look for things that turned up missing.
> >Subtle clues were introduced throughout the episode, and the missing item
> >would be found in the end!
>
> "Banacek" was highly stylized; never worked for me. Not subtle about
> emphasizing Polish culture in the grand Hollywood tradition of overcoming old
> stereotypes by substituting old, cliched characters. I hated the character
> played by Murray Matheson, speaking of cliches.


As well, Banacek as a character was one cold bastard. I'm not sure
whether that was because of the writing or the actor, but he was
right smirky and arrogant. it would have been cool to have an
episode in which his insurance company rival (Christine Belford)
outwitted him.

C.
**

deering

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:12:50 AM4/9/02
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The one with Fisher Stevens as a
not-so-well-disguised-Steven-Spielberg was excellent, too--g!


C.
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deering

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:09:20 AM4/9/02
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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:
>
> Greg H. <gre...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>

> >Banacek (starring George Peppard) was the other mystery. Unlike Columbo,
> >where you saw how the murder was committed, Banacek as a free-lance
> >insurance investigtor would look for things that turned up missing.
> >Subtle clues were introduced throughout the episode, and the missing item
> >would be found in the end!
>
> "Banacek" was highly stylized; never worked for me. Not subtle about
> emphasizing Polish culture in the grand Hollywood tradition of overcoming old
> stereotypes by substituting old, cliched characters. I hated the character
> played by Murray Matheson, speaking of cliches.

As well, Banacek as a character was one cold bastard. I'm not sure
whether that was because of the writing or the actor, but he was
right smirky and arrogant. it would have been cool to have an
episode in which his insurance company rival (Christine Belford)
outwitted him.

C.
**
(Or punched him out--either would have worked for me--g!)

deering

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:10:00 AM4/9/02
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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:
>
> Greg H. <gre...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>

> >Banacek (starring George Peppard) was the other mystery. Unlike Columbo,
> >where you saw how the murder was committed, Banacek as a free-lance
> >insurance investigtor would look for things that turned up missing.
> >Subtle clues were introduced throughout the episode, and the missing item
> >would be found in the end!
>
> "Banacek" was highly stylized; never worked for me. Not subtle about
> emphasizing Polish culture in the grand Hollywood tradition of overcoming old
> stereotypes by substituting old, cliched characters. I hated the character
> played by Murray Matheson, speaking of cliches.

deering

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:13:23 AM4/9/02
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The one with Fisher Stevens as a
not-so-well-fictionalized-Steven-Spielberg was excellent, too--g!


C.
**

deering

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:14:56 AM4/9/02
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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:
>
> Greg H. <gre...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>

> >Banacek (starring George Peppard) was the other mystery. Unlike Columbo,
> >where you saw how the murder was committed, Banacek as a free-lance
> >insurance investigtor would look for things that turned up missing.
> >Subtle clues were introduced throughout the episode, and the missing item
> >would be found in the end!
>
> "Banacek" was highly stylized; never worked for me. Not subtle about
> emphasizing Polish culture in the grand Hollywood tradition of overcoming old
> stereotypes by substituting old, cliched characters. I hated the character
> played by Murray Matheson, speaking of cliches.

SiKing

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Apr 9, 2002, 10:56:25 AM4/9/02
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Wow, all of them?!? I got the entire set of Star Trek classics back when I
was a fan(atic). When they released ST:TNG I quickly changed my mind,
remembering that the first set cost me over a thousand dollars. To add
more to the disappointment, I recently saw the set on eBay for a few
hundred dollars.

SiKing.

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Adam H. Kerman

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Greg H. <gre...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:

>>"Banacek" was highly stylized; never worked for me. Not subtle about
>>emphasizing Polish culture in the grand Hollywood tradition of overcoming old
>>stereotypes by substituting old, cliched characters. I hated the character
>>played by Murray Matheson, speaking of cliches.

>I think most of those "old Polish proverbs" that T. Banacek spouted were made
>up!

That could be, but I took that stuff as Russian one-upmanship from the '50's.
Banacek just seemed like a modern-day Polish saint/sex god. The writers never
had any fun with the character.

>Felix was a character that I found interesting, a foil for Banacek to play off
>on and constantly aggravate!

You're right; he was a decent character. I hardly ever liked any of the guest
characters. The sexual double entendre was nearly identical from one
episode to the next.

Adam H. Kerman

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:16:30 PM4/9/02
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deer...@mindspring.com wrote:

>As well, Banacek as a character was one cold bastard. I'm not sure
>whether that was because of the writing or the actor, but he was
>right smirky and arrogant.

I vote "actor". Best performance he ever gave was in "Breakfast at Tiffany's".
The material was brilliant. The movie's a classic. But could it have been
better starring someone else?

I can't remember anything else he did that I liked.

>it would have been cool to have an episode in which his insurance company
>rival (Christine Belford) outwitted him.

>(Or punched him out--either would have worked for me--g!)

Heh!

Adam H. Kerman

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:26:18 PM4/9/02
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Rick <rloran...@prodigy.net> wrote:

>It's hard to believe, but the first Columbo movie with Peter Falk was
>made way back in 1968 ("Prescription Murder"). In another year he
>will have been doing that role for 35 years.

Longer. It was originally produced as a stage play. Also, see the movie
"Penelope" from 1966.

Glancing at IMB, I see that Richard Levinson died a few years back. I didn't
know.

PkJ0891

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Apr 9, 2002, 5:55:59 PM4/9/02
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SiKing <nos...@noway.invalid> wrote:

>PkJ0891 wrote:
>>
>> SiKing <nos...@noway.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >For whatever it's worth, I think Columbia House Video sells the whole set.
>> >I was once really tempted to get them ...
>>
>> Unless Columbia House has finally gotten around to it, they were nowhere
>near
>> having released the entire series. AFAIK, I own all the CH videos that are
>> currently available. What I wish they'd do is release several episodes on
>DVD,
>> and add a commentary track with Falk and some of the guest stars.
>
>Wow, all of them?!?

There are 31 of them (I just counted). Plus, I have a few episodes I taped
myself which were never released on video.

I got the entire set of Star Trek classics back when I
>was a fan(atic). When they released ST:TNG I quickly changed my mind,
>remembering that the first set cost me over a thousand dollars. To add
>more to the disappointment, I recently saw the set on eBay for a few
>hundred dollars.

Oh Lord, don't get me started. I bought the entire ST:NG series on video.
What the hell am I gonna do with it now? That was a major waste of money. As
much as I love the show, the show on video takes up waaaay too much space, and
I didn't much like the first and second season, anyway. What was I thinking???

PKJ

Greg H.

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Apr 9, 2002, 6:18:49 PM4/9/02
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>>>"Banacek" was highly stylized; never worked for me. Not subtle about
>>>emphasizing Polish culture in the grand Hollywood tradition of overcoming
>old
>>>stereotypes by substituting old, cliched characters. I hated the character
>>>played by Murray Matheson, speaking of cliches.
>
>>I think most of those "old Polish proverbs" that T. Banacek spouted were
>made
>>up!
>
>That could be, but I took that stuff as Russian one-upmanship from the '50's.
>Banacek just seemed like a modern-day Polish saint/sex god. The writers never
>had any fun with the character.

Yeah, Russian one-upmanship does work. They did have fun with his chauffer,
especially in an ep set in an art museum where pictures had been switched
around. In one pic titled "Bone With Dog", the chauffer finally sees the dog
balancing the bone on his nose in an impressionist picture, only to have that
one switched with one clearly showing a dog with a bone! ;)


>>Felix was a character that I found interesting, a foil for Banacek to play
>off
>>on and constantly aggravate!
>
>You're right; he was a decent character. I hardly ever liked any of the guest
>characters. The sexual double entendre was nearly identical from one
>episode to the next.

I still wonder if they could do a "Banacek" today. Don't know if a complete
remake with ORIGINAL stories would be better than original stories with
Christine Belford returning as Mrs. Banacek! (I know, too much like the
ill-fated "Mrs. Columbo" starring Kate Mulgrew!)


mat...@vax.hanford.org

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Apr 9, 2002, 6:12:08 PM4/9/02
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In article <20020408204634...@mb-mc.aol.com>,

Umm, there was already one other actor who played Columbo. I forgot to check
"The Columbo Phile" to see if he came before Falk (I think he did).
--
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Default User

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Apr 9, 2002, 7:37:51 PM4/9/02
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mat...@vax.hanford.org wrote:

> Umm, there was already one other actor who played Columbo. I forgot to check
> "The Columbo Phile" to see if he came before Falk (I think he did).

Really? I'm not finding that information in any on-line FAQs.


Brian Rodenborn

Rick

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Apr 9, 2002, 10:41:07 PM4/9/02
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"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.chinet.com> wrote in message
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> Rick <rloran...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >It's hard to believe, but the first Columbo movie with Peter Falk
was
> >made way back in 1968 ("Prescription Murder"). In another year he
> >will have been doing that role for 35 years.
>
> Longer. It was originally produced as a stage play. Also, see the
movie
> "Penelope" from 1966.
>

My comment was that Falk has been in the role since 1968. He wasn't
in the earlier productions. The first actor to play Columbo was Bert
Freed, who appeared in the 1960 live TV production of "Enough Rope",
which was the first story to feature the Columbo character. After
that, Levinson and Link wrote the stage play "Prescription Murder",
which starred Thomas Mitchell as Columbo. When it came time to adapt
the play to TV, Mitchell had passed away so legend has it that the
role was offered to Bing Crosby, who supposedly turned it down for
fear it would interfere with his golf game.

SiKing

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PkJ0891 wrote:
>
> SiKing <nos...@noway.invalid> wrote:
>
> >PkJ0891 wrote:
> >>
> >> SiKing <nos...@noway.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> >For whatever it's worth, I think Columbia House Video sells the whole set.
> >> >I was once really tempted to get them ...
> >>
> >> Unless Columbia House has finally gotten around to it, they were nowhere
> >near
> >> having released the entire series. AFAIK, I own all the CH videos that are
> >> currently available. What I wish they'd do is release several episodes on
> >DVD,
> >> and add a commentary track with Falk and some of the guest stars.
> >
> >Wow, all of them?!?
>
> There are 31 of them (I just counted). Plus, I have a few episodes I taped
> myself which were never released on video.

OIC <smack in the head>, I originally read that as "I own all the CH videos
[of every single show] that are currently available". My wrong. :)

Adam H. Kerman

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Rick <rloran...@prodigy.net> wrote:

>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.chinet.com> wrote:
>>Rick <rloran...@prodigy.net> wrote:

>>>It's hard to believe, but the first Columbo movie with Peter Falk was
>>>made way back in 1968 ("Prescription Murder"). In another year he will
>>>have been doing that role for 35 years.

>>Longer. It was originally produced as a stage play. Also, see the movie
>>"Penelope" from 1966.

>My comment was that Falk has been in the role since 1968. He wasn't
>in the earlier productions. The first actor to play Columbo was Bert
>Freed, who appeared in the 1960 live TV production of "Enough Rope",
>which was the first story to feature the Columbo character. After
>that, Levinson and Link wrote the stage play "Prescription Murder",
>which starred Thomas Mitchell as Columbo.

Hm. I thought I read somewhere that they tested out Falk in a stage production,
and that "Prescription: Murder" was written specifically with tv in mind.
Guess I was wrong.

Has a video of "Enough Rope" survived? Which anthology show was it on? When?

>When it came time to adapt the play to TV, Mitchell had passed away so
>legend has it that the role was offered to Bing Crosby, who supposedly
>turned it down for fear it would interfere with his golf game.

Crosby was known to be shrewd as hell with his personal wealth, so he could
afford his leisure time.

Brent McKee

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Bill Ranck <ra...@joesbar.cc.vt.edu> wrote in message
news:a8s8gc$48u$2...@solaris.cc.vt.edu...

> Sandy McDermin <smcd...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > It was a good show, but what I miss more is the series of which it was a
> > part. (At least, I believe Columbo was a part of the Mystery Movie
> > series.) Every week they'd cycle between three or four different mystery
> > series: McCloud, McMillan and Wife, Columbo, ??? Don't remember if
> > there were more. In any event, I thought it was a marvelous concept and
> > a great way of keeping each show fresh. Who knows how long the
> > individual series would have last if they had to produce a new show,
> > from each series, each week.
>
> I seem to remember that "Banacek" was in the mix at one time.

The original rotation was just the three -- McCloud, McMillan and Wife, and
Columbo -- as NBC's Mystery Movie (which had its own Henry Mancini theme
music). A year or two later, the weasels at NBC decided to add a second
night of mystery movies on Wednesday night (the originals were on Sunday
iirc). If memory serves the first year rotation on that series was The
Snoop Sisters (Mildred Natwick and Helen Hayes as mystery novelists and, in
the pilot at least, Art Carney as either their chauffeur or their police
contact) Cool Millions (James Farentino (?) as a detective who charges a
million dollars a case) and Banacek. Snoop Sisters and Cool Millions were
cancelled after the first year but Banacek was kept on. If the network had
been smart they would have abandoned the Wednesday Mystery Movie and shifted
Banacek into the original line-up, but they weren't -- a new series of
entirely forgettable series were brought in including the first few episodes
of Quincy (including the episode in which he causes an entire class of
rookie cops to flee in terror by showing them an autopsy). After that year,
the Wednesday show was scrapped, followed soon after by the whole concept.

--
Brent McKee

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Dennis Handly

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deering (deer...@mindspring.com) wrote:
: As well, Banacek as a character was one cold bastard. I'm not sure

: whether that was because of the writing or the actor, but he was
: right smirky and arrogant.

I assume that his sthick (sic) was being real mercenary. He always was
called in when the cops and insurance company couldn't find the goods.

If you wanted him, you had to pay.

When ever Banacek was on, I always said "It's Banasek" because he kept
telling everyone that it wasn't pronounced that way.

Rick

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Apr 10, 2002, 11:29:18 AM4/10/02
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>
> Hm. I thought I read somewhere that they tested out Falk in a stage
production,
> and that "Prescription: Murder" was written specifically with tv in
mind.
> Guess I was wrong.
>

"Prescription Murder" was actually adapted from "Enough Rope". In the
original play, the focus was on the murdererer, not the detective. When
they adapted it for stage, they changed the emphasis to the detective.

> Has a video of "Enough Rope" survived? Which anthology show was it on?
When?
>

Chevy Mystery Theater. I'd love to see a tape of it, but I've never
seen one offered. It was done live, so chances of a tape surviving are
slim. It aired in 1960 or 1961.


mat...@vax.hanford.org

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Apr 10, 2002, 2:35:24 PM4/10/02
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In article <ub7u3st...@corp.supernews.com>,

Brent McKee <bSm...@the.link.caN> wrote:
>Banacek into the original line-up, but they weren't -- a new series of
>entirely forgettable series were brought in including the first few episodes
>of Quincy (including the episode in which he causes an entire class of
>rookie cops to flee in terror by showing them an autopsy). After that year,

Is that the scene we see in the opening credits?
--
mat...@area.com

Tyler D.

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"Mark" <us...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<a8pqaf$uihbi$1...@ID-135848.news.dfncis.de>...

> I'm too young to remember the first airing of the Columbo series starring
> Peter Falk. But now, I can watch it every now and then on A&E. I gotta say
> that it's a terrific detective/crime show. I love it.
>
> Keep showing them, A&E!

Damn, I love that show.

Kalen Darr

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Apr 10, 2002, 4:45:59 PM4/10/02
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On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:16:30 -0000, "Adam H. Kerman"
<a...@chinet.chinet.com> wrote:

>deer...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>>As well, Banacek as a character was one cold bastard. I'm not sure
>>whether that was because of the writing or the actor, but he was
>>right smirky and arrogant.
>
>I vote "actor". Best performance he ever gave was in "Breakfast at Tiffany's".
>The material was brilliant. The movie's a classic. But could it have been
>better starring someone else?


Yes, after all, his stint as head of the A Team (Col John "Hannibal"
Smith) was much different role than Banacek... and ultimately longer
lasting.

But as for "best performance" ? I think George Peppard's generally
accepted best performance from a critic's standpoint was in THE BLUE
MAX wasn't it? Or am a mis-remembering?


Kalen Darr


deering

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Apr 10, 2002, 4:47:33 PM4/10/02
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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:
>
> deer...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> >As well, Banacek as a character was one cold bastard. I'm not sure
> >whether that was because of the writing or the actor, but he was
> >right smirky and arrogant.
>
> I vote "actor". Best performance he ever gave was in "Breakfast at Tiffany's".
> The material was brilliant. The movie's a classic. But could it have been
> better starring someone else?


Hmm, now that you mention it . . . Encore ran a 60's thriller called
THE THIRD DAY a while back, in which GP was an ammesiac who
discovered he was a total bastard in his previous life. Suffice to
say, he was way more convincing as a stinker than when he became Mr.
Sensitive--g! Peppard usually was at his best in roles that played
off his cold good looks--an ambitious pilot in THE BLUE MAX, for
example--when he was young.



> I can't remember anything else he did that I liked.
>
> >it would have been cool to have an episode in which his insurance company
> >rival (Christine Belford) outwitted him.
>
> >(Or punched him out--either would have worked for me--g!)
>
> Heh!

:). A really dislikeable character in general.

C.
**

deering

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Apr 10, 2002, 4:52:21 PM4/10/02
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Rick wrote:
> When
> they adapted it for stage, they changed the emphasis to the detective.
>
> > Has a video of "Enough Rope" survived? Which anthology show was it on?
> When?
> >
>
> Chevy Mystery Theater. I'd love to see a tape of it, but I've never
> seen one offered. It was done live, so chances of a tape surviving are
> slim. It aired in 1960 or 1961.

Hmm, if you are in NY or LA, you might want to try the Museum of
Visual Arts (it used to be the Museum of Broadcasting.) They have an
amazing library of old TV shows--I found a Robert Bloch-penned
horror episode of a now-forgotten anthology show BUS STOP there. A
fascinating place--g!

C.
**

deering

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Apr 10, 2002, 4:54:49 PM4/10/02
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Dennis Handly wrote:
>
> deering (deer...@mindspring.com) wrote:
> : As well, Banacek as a character was one cold bastard. I'm not sure
> : whether that was because of the writing or the actor, but he was
> : right smirky and arrogant.
>
> I assume that his sthick (sic) was being real mercenary. He always was
> called in when the cops and insurance company couldn't find the goods.
>
> If you wanted him, you had to pay.

A detective for the 1980's in the 70's, eh? g! Naw--he came off as a
snotty jerk even in his off-hours. There are ways to have a
mercenary/cold character without making him utterly dislikeable--THE
GUARDIAN pulls this off with their lead every week.

>
> When ever Banacek was on, I always said "It's Banasek" because he kept
> telling everyone that it wasn't pronounced that way.

One of the few times he came off human--g!

C.
**

Bill Ranck

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Apr 10, 2002, 6:04:42 PM4/10/02
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deering <deer...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> As well, Banacek as a character was one cold bastard. I'm not sure

Yep, I really liked him. No touchy-feely nonsense with Bancek.

> whether that was because of the writing or the actor, but he was
> right smirky and arrogant. it would have been cool to have an
> episode in which his insurance company rival (Christine Belford)
> outwitted him.

Yes he was an arrogrant prick, but he was good enough at his
job to get away with it. Not someone I'd want to deal with
in real life, but fun to watch on TV.


Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

Adam H. Kerman

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Apr 10, 2002, 7:04:53 PM4/10/02
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Rick <72242...@compuserve.com> wrote:

>>Has a video of "Enough Rope" survived? Which anthology show was it on? When?

>Chevy Mystery Theater. I'd love to see a tape of it, but I've never
>seen one offered. It was done live, so chances of a tape surviving are
>slim. It aired in 1960 or 1961.

It might survive. That it was done live shouldn't be a factor in whether
they were careful of the tape. Kinescopes certainly survive from the '50's.

Thanks for the info.

William December Starr

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Apr 10, 2002, 8:53:33 PM4/10/02
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In article <3CB4A4E5...@mindspring.com>,
deering <deer...@mindspring.com> said:

> Hmm, now that you mention it . . . Encore ran a 60's thriller called
> THE THIRD DAY a while back, in which GP was an ammesiac who
> discovered he was a total bastard in his previous life. Suffice to
> say, he was way more convincing as a stinker than when he became Mr.
> Sensitive--g!

Hmm. Peppard also co-starred in a 1972 made-for-tv thriller called
"The Groundstar Conspiracy" in which amnesia also played a major role,
but he played the cold-hearted bastard of a security officer -- the
kind who used torture in his interrogations -- who didn't believe that
somebody else -- a badly wounded terrorist who was found unconscious
in the rubble of a blown-up top-secret U.S. military facility --
really couldn't remember a thing. (Christine Belford, who'd shortly
become a semi-regular on "Banacek," was in it too.)

-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>

William December Starr

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Apr 10, 2002, 9:11:49 PM4/10/02
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In article <ub7u3st...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Brent McKee" <bSm...@the.link.caN> said:

> The original rotation was just the three -- McCloud, McMillan and
> Wife, and Columbo -- as NBC's Mystery Movie (which had its own Henry
> Mancini theme music). A year or two later, the weasels at NBC
> decided to add a second night of mystery movies on Wednesday night
> (the originals were on Sunday iirc). If memory serves the first
> year rotation on that series was The Snoop Sisters (Mildred Natwick
> and Helen Hayes as mystery novelists and, in the pilot at least, Art
> Carney as either their chauffeur or their police contact) Cool
> Millions (James Farentino (?) as a detective who charges a million
> dollars a case) and Banacek. Snoop Sisters and Cool Millions were
> cancelled after the first year but Banacek was kept on.

The Farentino show was "Cool Million," singular. (Sigh. I remember
_that_, but I have no idea where my can opener is.)

> If the network had been smart they would have abandoned the
> Wednesday Mystery Movie and shifted Banacek into the original
> line-up, but they weren't -- a new series of entirely forgettable
> series were brought in including the first few episodes of Quincy
> (including the episode in which he causes an entire class of rookie
> cops to flee in terror by showing them an autopsy). After that
> year, the Wednesday show was scrapped, followed soon after by the
> whole concept.

Alex McNeil's _Total Television_ has a combined entry for "The NBC
Mystery Movie/The NBC Sunday Mystery Movie/The NBC Wednesday Movie."
It says:

These were the umbrella titles for the several multipart series
that ran on NBC between 1971 and 1977. The composition changed
slightly each year. In the fall of 1971 the _NBC Mystery Movie_
included _Columbo_, McCloud_ and _McMillan and Wife_. Two umbrella
series were featured in the fall of 1972: _The NBC Sunday Mystery
Movie_ (_Columbo_, _McCloud_, _McMillan and Wife_ and _Hec Ramsey_)
and _The NBC Wednesday Mystery Movie_, which introduced three new
crime shows: _Banacek_, _Cool Million_ and _Madigan_. The
composition of _The NBC Sunday Mystery Movie_ remained intact
during the 1973-1974 season, but _The NBC Wednesday Movie_
presented _Banacek_ and three newcomers: _Faraday and Company_,
_The Snoop Sisters_ and _Tenafly_. By the fall of 1974 _The NBC
Wednesday Movie_ was gone entirely, but _The NBC Sunday Mystery
Movie_ carried on for three more seasons. _Columbo_, McCloud_ and
_McMillan and Wife_ shared space with a new fourth member each
season -- _Amy Prentiss_ in 1974-1975, _McCoy_ in 1975-1976, and
_Quincy_ in 1976-1977 (_Quincy_ was given its own regular slot
partway through the 1976-1977 season).

Everybody got that?

Greg H.

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Apr 10, 2002, 9:57:16 PM4/10/02
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>Hmm. Peppard also co-starred in a 1972 made-for-tv thriller called
>"The Groundstar Conspiracy" in which amnesia also played a major role,
>but he played the cold-hearted bastard of a security officer -- the
>kind who used torture in his interrogations -- who didn't believe that
>somebody else -- a badly wounded terrorist who was found unconscious
>in the rubble of a blown-up top-secret U.S. military facility --
>really couldn't remember a thing. (Christine Belford, who'd shortly
>become a semi-regular on "Banacek," was in it too.)

That is TRUE! And Christine Belford in her underwear in that film was truly
memorable!!

deering

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Apr 10, 2002, 10:11:41 PM4/10/02
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William December Starr wrote:
>
> In article <ub7u3st...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Brent McKee" <bSm...@the.link.caN> said:
>
> > The original rotation was just the three -- McCloud, McMillan and
> > Wife, and Columbo -- as NBC's Mystery Movie (which had its own Henry
> > Mancini theme music). A year or two later, the weasels at NBC
> > decided to add a second night of mystery movies on Wednesday night
> > (the originals were on Sunday iirc). If memory serves the first
> > year rotation on that series was The Snoop Sisters (Mildred Natwick
> > and Helen Hayes as mystery novelists and, in the pilot at least, Art
> > Carney as either their chauffeur or their police contact) Cool
> > Millions (James Farentino (?) as a detective who charges a million
> > dollars a case) and Banacek. Snoop Sisters and Cool Millions were
> > cancelled after the first year but Banacek was kept on.
>
> The Farentino show was "Cool Million," singular. (Sigh. I remember
> _that_, but I have no idea where my can opener is.)


Well, shoot, I recall my grandfather loved MCCLOUD--he get a real
charge out of seeing him gallop on horseback down 1st Avenue near
the United Nations and roping Central Park muggers. He couldn't
stand COLUMBO, though--he noted that if he were any of the guest
killers, he'd take out his shotgun and shoot him before putting up
with the good lieutenant bugging the fool outta him--g!


> Alex McNeil's _Total Television_ has a combined entry for "The NBC
> Mystery Movie/The NBC Sunday Mystery Movie/The NBC Wednesday Movie."
> It says:
>
> These were the umbrella titles for the several multipart series
> that ran on NBC between 1971 and 1977. The composition changed
> slightly each year. In the fall of 1971 the _NBC Mystery Movie_
> included _Columbo_, McCloud_ and _McMillan and Wife_. Two umbrella
> series were featured in the fall of 1972: _The NBC Sunday Mystery
> Movie_ (_Columbo_, _McCloud_, _McMillan and Wife_ and _Hec Ramsey_)


HEC RAMSEY--boy, that's a name from the past. . .

> and _The NBC Wednesday Mystery Movie_, which introduced three new
> crime shows: _Banacek_, _Cool Million_ and _Madigan_.

Wasn't MADIGAN based on a Richard Widmark movie?


The
> composition of _The NBC Sunday Mystery Movie_ remained intact
> during the 1973-1974 season, but _The NBC Wednesday Movie_
> presented _Banacek_ and three newcomers: _Faraday and Company_,
> _The Snoop Sisters_ and _Tenafly_.


Yeah, these last three were real snoozers. Pity in the case of
TENAFLY--one didn't see an AAmerican series lead much then.

By the fall of 1974 _The NBC
> Wednesday Movie_ was gone entirely, but _The NBC Sunday Mystery
> Movie_ carried on for three more seasons. _Columbo_, McCloud_ and
> _McMillan and Wife_ shared space with a new fourth member each
> season -- _Amy Prentiss_ in 1974-1975,


AMY PRENTISS? This ain't ringing a bell. ..

C.
**
(Who watched THE WED. MYSTERY MOVIE only because SEARCH, yet another
cool show with three rotating heroes, was on right after. . .)

Adam H. Kerman

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deer...@mindspring.com wrote:

>William December Starr wrote:
>>"Brent McKee" <bSm...@the.link.caN> said:

>>>The original rotation was just the three -- McCloud, McMillan and Wife,
>>>and Columbo -- as NBC's Mystery Movie (which had its own Henry Mancini
>>>theme music). A year or two later, the weasels at NBC decided to add a
>>>second night of mystery movies on Wednesday night (the originals were on
>>>Sunday iirc). If memory serves the first year rotation on that series was
>>>The Snoop Sisters (Mildred Natwick and Helen Hayes as mystery novelists
>>>and, in the pilot at least, Art Carney as either their chauffeur or their
>>>police contact) Cool Millions (James Farentino (?) as a detective who
>>>charges a million dollars a case) and Banacek. Snoop Sisters and Cool
>>>Millions were cancelled after the first year but Banacek was kept on.

>>The Farentino show was "Cool Million," singular. (Sigh. I remember
>>_that_, but I have no idea where my can opener is.)

>Well, shoot, I recall my grandfather loved MCCLOUD--he get a real
>charge out of seeing him gallop on horseback down 1st Avenue near
>the United Nations and roping Central Park muggers.

Hehehe. "McCloud" had its moments. Entire episodes weren't always wonderful.
Wish they played up the comedy more.

>>Alex McNeil's _Total Television_ has a combined entry for "The NBC
>>Mystery Movie/The NBC Sunday Mystery Movie/The NBC Wednesday Movie."
>>It says:

>> The composition of _The NBC Sunday Mystery Movie_ remained intact
>> during the 1973-1974 season, but _The NBC Wednesday Movie_
>> presented _Banacek_ and three newcomers: _Faraday and Company_,
>> _The Snoop Sisters_ and _Tenafly_.

>Yeah, these last three were real snoozers.

I liked "The Snoop Sisters" as a kid; Art Carney fan. Concept was great!
(Two Miss Marples) Cast was good. Scripts sucked, of course.

Did the Wednesday Mystery Movie have a different theme song?

In my opinion, second-run syndicated reruns of "Columbo" would benefit
greatly from not cutting out the wonderful Henry Mancini theme. I still
remember the whistler.

Incidentally, "Columbo" did NOT have a theme song. Some bits of incidental
music were common from show to show. Generally, specific opening, and often,
closing themes were written for each episode. I liked that. But they could
have fun with the music since Mancini's theme was so recognizeable.

>> By the fall of 1974 _The NBC
>> Wednesday Movie_ was gone entirely, but _The NBC Sunday Mystery
>> Movie_ carried on for three more seasons. _Columbo_, McCloud_ and
>> _McMillan and Wife_ shared space with a new fourth member each
>> season -- _Amy Prentiss_ in 1974-1975,

>AMY PRENTISS? This ain't ringing a bell. ..

Wouldn't it make a great concept for a tv show if a gorgeous woman in her
mid-30's (Jessica Walter) is unexpectedly promoted to Chief of Detectives
on a police drama, in the mid-70's when women cops were barely on the
street, let alone serving in the detectives bureau? Helen Hunt played her
teenage daughter.

Merely 3 episodes were broadcast; it's hardly surprising you missed it.
I wonder if addtional episodes were produced, but not aired.

Default User

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Apr 11, 2002, 11:28:58 AM4/11/02
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William December Starr wrote:

> These were the umbrella titles for the several multipart series
> that ran on NBC between 1971 and 1977. The composition changed
> slightly each year. In the fall of 1971 the _NBC Mystery Movie_
> included _Columbo_, McCloud_ and _McMillan and Wife_. Two umbrella
> series were featured in the fall of 1972: _The NBC Sunday Mystery
> Movie_ (_Columbo_, _McCloud_, _McMillan and Wife_ and _Hec Ramsey_)

I liked Hec Ramsey. There was some discussion I read somewhere debating
whether that character was what had become of Paladin or not. The detail
boys seem to come up with enough inconsistencies to say "not".


Brian Rodenborn

William December Starr

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Apr 11, 2002, 9:39:16 PM4/11/02
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In article <uba8eg4...@corp.supernews.com>,

"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.chinet.com> said:

>> AMY PRENTISS? This ain't ringing a bell. ..
>
> Wouldn't it make a great concept for a tv show if a gorgeous woman
> in her mid-30's (Jessica Walter) is unexpectedly promoted to Chief
> of Detectives on a police drama, in the mid-70's when women cops
> were barely on the street, let alone serving in the detectives
> bureau? Helen Hunt played her teenage daughter.
>
> Merely 3 episodes were broadcast; it's hardly surprising you missed
> it. I wonder if addtional episodes were produced, but not aired.

I believe it was spun off from "Ironside"... yup, epguides.com lists
the conclusion of Ironside's seventh season (its second-to-last) as:

179. 7-24 23 May 74 Amy Prentiss: AKA The Chief (1)
180. 7-25 23 May 74 Amy Prentiss: AKA The Chief (2)

...and "Amy Prentiss" ran -- not continuously, of course, since it
was one of the four rotating elements of the "The NBC Sunday Mystery
Movie" -- from 1 December 1974 through 6 July 1975. (Source: Alex
McNeil's _Total Television_.) I don't think there was any crossover
between the two series after that two-hour Ironside though.

Brent McKee

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<mat...@vax.hanford.org> wrote in message
news:a920lc$183$1...@vax.hanford.org...

That's the one. I believe it came from the second episode from the Mystery
Movie run. Quincy has a case that he want's to work on but has to walk
these cops through the autopsy procedure so as Sam looks on he clears the
room by using his various pieces of equipment. I think the last one ran out
when Quincy revved the high speed saw (sort of like a Dremel Motor tool) for
opening the skull. A truly great scene that is never seen because the
episode doesn't fit the format for time that the rest of the series does.

Brent McKee

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deering <deer...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3CB4F0DD...@mindspring.com...

>
>
> William December Starr wrote:
> >
> > In article <ub7u3st...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "Brent McKee" <bSm...@the.link.caN> said:
> >
> > > The original rotation was just the three -- McCloud, McMillan and
> > > Wife, and Columbo -- as NBC's Mystery Movie (which had its own Henry
> > > Mancini theme music). A year or two later, the weasels at NBC
> > > decided to add a second night of mystery movies on Wednesday night
> > > (the originals were on Sunday iirc). If memory serves the first
> > > year rotation on that series was The Snoop Sisters (Mildred Natwick
> > > and Helen Hayes as mystery novelists and, in the pilot at least, Art
> > > Carney as either their chauffeur or their police contact) Cool
> > > Millions (James Farentino (?) as a detective who charges a million
> > > dollars a case) and Banacek. Snoop Sisters and Cool Millions were
> > > cancelled after the first year but Banacek was kept on.
> >
> > The Farentino show was "Cool Million," singular. (Sigh. I remember
> > _that_, but I have no idea where my can opener is.)
>
>
> Well, shoot, I recall my grandfather loved MCCLOUD--he get a real
> charge out of seeing him gallop on horseback down 1st Avenue near
> the United Nations and roping Central Park muggers. He couldn't
> stand COLUMBO, though--he noted that if he were any of the guest
> killers, he'd take out his shotgun and shoot him before putting up
> with the good lieutenant bugging the fool outta him--g!

"McCloud" usually had a "theme" based chase scene at the end. If the
episode had a fire theme, McCloud would end up chasing the bad guys in a
fire engine, and so on. Incidentally, the TV movie that introduced "McLoud"
was a direct steal of the Clint Eastwood movie "Coogan's Bluff".

As for "Columbo", you need to remember that the guest killers always thought
they were carrying out the perfect crime and were way to smart to get
caught, particualrly by that oaf in the rumpled trench coat.

> > Alex McNeil's _Total Television_ has a combined entry for "The NBC
> > Mystery Movie/The NBC Sunday Mystery Movie/The NBC Wednesday Movie."
> > It says:
> >
> > These were the umbrella titles for the several multipart series
> > that ran on NBC between 1971 and 1977. The composition changed
> > slightly each year. In the fall of 1971 the _NBC Mystery Movie_
> > included _Columbo_, McCloud_ and _McMillan and Wife_. Two umbrella
> > series were featured in the fall of 1972: _The NBC Sunday Mystery
> > Movie_ (_Columbo_, _McCloud_, _McMillan and Wife_ and _Hec Ramsey_)
>
>
> HEC RAMSEY--boy, that's a name from the past. . .

Richard Boone playing an old western gunfighter who has adopted scientific
methods of crime stopping much to the chagrin of his boss who didn't want
him around because the west in 1900 didn't need an old gunfighter. The
whole thing came off as a combination of "McCloud" and "Columbo" -- but a
good one.

> > and _The NBC Wednesday Mystery Movie_, which introduced three new
> > crime shows: _Banacek_, _Cool Million_ and _Madigan_.
>
> Wasn't MADIGAN based on a Richard Widmark movie?

Yes, "Madigan" (1968) starring Widmark (who continued the role in the
series), Henry Fonda, Harry Guardino and James Whitmore. The only problem
is that I believe Madigan dies at the end of the movie.

> The
> > composition of _The NBC Sunday Mystery Movie_ remained intact
> > during the 1973-1974 season, but _The NBC Wednesday Movie_
> > presented _Banacek_ and three newcomers: _Faraday and Company_,
> > _The Snoop Sisters_ and _Tenafly_.
>
>
> Yeah, these last three were real snoozers. Pity in the case of
> TENAFLY--one didn't see an AAmerican series lead much then.

I liked "Faraday and Company" with Dan Daley as a private eye who has spent
twenty or thirty years in a Carribean prison and comes back to find
everything changed. As to "Tenafly" it starred James McEachern (sp?) who is
currently seen in "First Monday" as one of the justices. The guy should
have had a bigger career than he's had, but somehow he went from starring in
shows to being "you know, that guy". At about the same time, another
network put on a series called "Paris" about a black chief of detectives,
starring some guy named James Earl Jones.

> By the fall of 1974 _The NBC
> > Wednesday Movie_ was gone entirely, but _The NBC Sunday Mystery
> > Movie_ carried on for three more seasons. _Columbo_, McCloud_ and
> > _McMillan and Wife_ shared space with a new fourth member each
> > season -- _Amy Prentiss_ in 1974-1975,

Hadn't Susan Saint James left "McMillan and Wife" by 1974-75 leaving the
show just "McMillan"? They had Sally being killed in a plane crash,
apparently along with their new baby who had been introduced in the previous
season.

> AMY PRENTISS? This ain't ringing a bell. ..
>
> C.
> **
> (Who watched THE WED. MYSTERY MOVIE only because SEARCH, yet another
> cool show with three rotating heroes, was on right after. . .)

"Search" (or originally "Probe") starring Hugh O'Brian, Tony Franciosa, Doug
McClure, and Burgess Meredith. A fun spy show.

Bill Ranck

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Brent McKee <bSm...@the.link.can> wrote:

> deering <deer...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>

>> HEC RAMSEY--boy, that's a name from the past. . .

> Richard Boone playing an old western gunfighter who has adopted scientific
> methods of crime stopping much to the chagrin of his boss who didn't want
> him around because the west in 1900 didn't need an old gunfighter. The

Actually, the boss was the one using the modern scientific approach
while Hec Ramsey used his old-fahsioned wits and, infrequently, his
gun skills. It was sort of an "Odd Couple"/"Gunsmoke"/"Quincy"
melange. They also tinkered with the show somewhat and the early
episodes are very different from the remainder.


Bill Ranck
Blacskburg, Va.


William December Starr

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In article <roy-B19907.2...@typhoon1-0.nyroc.rr.com>,
Roy Knable <r...@spamishell.test> said:

>> Hadn't Susan Saint James left "McMillan and Wife" by 1974-75
>> leaving the show just "McMillan"? They had Sally being killed in
>> a plane crash, apparently along with their new baby who had been

>> introduced in the previous season. [Brent McKee]
>
> I think that happened around 76.

Yup. From Alex McNeil's _Total Television_:

At the end of the 1975-1976 season St. James, [John] Schuck and
[Nancy] Walker all left the series (Schuck to star in _Holmes and
Yoyo_, Walker to star in _The Nancy Walker Show_). For the final
season, the title was shortened to _McMillan_, and McMillan was
now a widower. Martha Raye joined the cast as Agatha, McMillan's
new housekeeper, and Richard Gilliland was featured as his aide,
Sgt. DiMaggio.

"Holmes and Yoyo" and "The Nancy Walker Show." Well, I guess both
were worth trying, given that "McMillan" was pretty clearly going to
be on its last legs once St. James bailed out.

Adam H. Kerman

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William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:

>"Holmes and Yoyo" and "The Nancy Walker Show." Well, I guess both
>were worth trying, given that "McMillan" was pretty clearly going to
>be on its last legs once St. James bailed out.

I liked "Holmes and Yoyo". Nancy Walker distinguished herself by having the
mid-season replacement, "Blansky's Beauties", also flop in the same season.
The former had a good cast, including James Cromwell, William Daniels, and
William Schallert. I don't remember it; some sort of comedy about a detective?

William December Starr

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In article <ubgobcc...@corp.supernews.com>,

"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.chinet.com> said:

> I liked "Holmes and Yoyo". Nancy Walker distinguished herself by
> having the mid-season replacement, "Blansky's Beauties", also flop
> in the same season. The former had a good cast, including James
> Cromwell, William Daniels, and William Schallert. I don't remember
> it; some sort of comedy about a detective?

I'm typing more and more things out of Alex McNeil's _Total
Television_ these days...

THE NANCY WALKER SHOW
30 September 1976 - 23 December 1976, ABC

Half-hour sitcom starring Nancy Walker as Nancy Kitteridge, a
Hollywood talent agent. Also featured were William Daniels as
Kenneth Kitteridge, a Merchant Marine commander who had just
retired after being at sea for most of the twenty-nine years of
their marriage; Beverly Archer as their forlorn daighter, Loraine;
and Ken Olfson as Terry Folsom, their gay boarder, a struggling
actor.

In addition to the actors mentioned by McNeil, the IMDb also lists:

Sparky Marcus .... Michael Futterman
William Schallert .... Teddy Futterman

I never saw the show myself, so I've got no idea what those characters
had to do with it.

David Johnston

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Apr 13, 2002, 9:02:42 PM4/13/02
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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:

> William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >"Holmes and Yoyo" and "The Nancy Walker Show." Well, I guess both
> >were worth trying, given that "McMillan" was pretty clearly going to
> >be on its last legs once St. James bailed out.
>
> I liked "Holmes and Yoyo".

Brillo played for laughs.


CrimeTech

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You know, there is a newer show on TV "Law & Order: Criminal Intent, and the
star of the show, Vincent D'Onofrio, reminds me A LOT of Columbo. My
husband used to watch Columbo as a child (although I'm sure if they were
reruns back then), and has often referred to Vincent as being somewhat like
Columbo. The way he pretends to be dumb, and then comes back to "kick the
guy in the ass" with the truth. It's typical Columbo style, and we love it!
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