The Glades. Callie Cargill is insane
Bill Idgerant
character is getting to me.
Last season she was on-off-on-off with Jim. Now it seems they are going
to get together once the divorce business is tidied up, maybe. But in
the Season 2 opener, when a former Chicago partner-girlfriend of Jim's
shows up on a serial murder case in Florida, Callie gets all icy and
prickly when she meets her for the first time on her first day in
Florida. "You were together in Chicago weren't you?" "Why didn't you
tell me about her?"
Jim went all mushy and weak and semi-apologized. He should have said,
"You mean why didn't I tell you I had a girlfriend, in another city, 18
months ago, before I even knew you existed?"
C'mon, man!
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Bill Idgerant
Not a real name.
Rhino
@newsfe02.iad:
The episode you're describing was not the Season 2 opener. That was last
week. This was the second episode of the season.
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Rhino
Rhino
"Bill Idgerant" <fake.@fake.org> wrote in message
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For what it's worth, I thought that episode was a bit of a mess. I think the
writers may have been overly ambitious and overrearched themselves.
Not only did they have a very complex plot with three or four false suspects
to juggle, they also introduced Jim's ex, followed Callie's husband as he
tried to rehabilitate himself, and dealt with the whole mutual jealousy
between Jim and Callie. That was probably two or even three episodes worth
of material all crammed into a single episode.
I really didn't understand why the guy who got bitten by the dog - but who
WASN'T the serial killer after all - wound up getting treated by Callie of
all the medical people in the city. And I don't see why Jim suddenly
panicked about Callie being at risk just because they finally figured out
that the killer was going after care-givers. Even if that was true, why
would that put Callie particularly at risk when there must have been
hundreds of other caregivers within a short distance.
Like I said, I think they overreached themselves by trying to do too much in
a single episode. Hopefully, things will be more or less back to normal by
the next episode and for the rest of the season.
> --
> Bill Idgerant
> Not a real name.
Roger That! (or Thaat) ;-)
Robin Miller
>
> Like I said, I think they overreached themselves by trying to do too much in
> a single episode. Hopefully, things will be more or less back to normal by
> the next episode and for the rest of the season.
>
Well, now they are introducing "forensic nursing" as a way of getting
Callie even more involved in the action. That struck me as possible
overreaching.
--Robin
Anim8rFSK
Bill Idgerant <fake.@fake.org> wrote:
A nit; this wasn't the season 2 opener.
But, yes, Callie is insane, and dishonest, and not worth persuing.
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shawn
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>
>"Bill Idgerant" <fake.@fake.org> wrote in message
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>>I want to like this show as summer-popcorn-fluff, but The Keile Sanchez
>>character is getting to me.
>>
>> Last season she was on-off-on-off with Jim. Now it seems they are going to
>> get together once the divorce business is tidied up, maybe. But in the
>> Season 2 opener, when a former Chicago partner-girlfriend of Jim's shows
>> up on a serial murder case in Florida, Callie gets all icy and prickly
>> when she meets her for the first time on her first day in Florida. "You
>> were together in Chicago weren't you?" "Why didn't you tell me about her?"
>>
>> Jim went all mushy and weak and semi-apologized. He should have said, "You
>> mean why didn't I tell you I had a girlfriend, in another city, 18 months
>> ago, before I even knew you existed?"
>>
>> C'mon, man!
>
>For what it's worth, I thought that episode was a bit of a mess. I think the
>writers may have been overly ambitious and overrearched themselves.
It was a complex mess.
>Not only did they have a very complex plot with three or four false suspects
>to juggle, they also introduced Jim's ex, followed Callie's husband as he
>tried to rehabilitate himself, and dealt with the whole mutual jealousy
>between Jim and Callie. That was probably two or even three episodes worth
>of material all crammed into a single episode.
>
>I really didn't understand why the guy who got bitten by the dog - but who
>WASN'T the serial killer after all - wound up getting treated by Callie of
>all the medical people in the city. And I don't see why Jim suddenly
>panicked about Callie being at risk just because they finally figured out
>that the killer was going after care-givers. Even if that was true, why
>would that put Callie particularly at risk when there must have been
>hundreds of other caregivers within a short distance.
It made sense when they began to think that the reason he was in
Florida was because he had attached himself to the two main law
enforcement officers on his case. So Jim thought he would go after
Callie as being easier to get at than Jim with the bonus that she is
also a nurse. Turns out Jim was right about what the killer was
thinking but he just had the wrong guy in mind, and he had guessed
wrong on who the killer would go after.
>Like I said, I think they overreached themselves by trying to do too much in
>a single episode. Hopefully, things will be more or less back to normal by
>the next episode and for the rest of the season.
Could be that they were just trying to bring everyone up to speed by
revisiting all of the old issues in these first couple of episodes
while introducing new issues (the former partner and the killers.)
Anim8rFSK
shawn <nanof...@gNOmail.com> wrote:
> It made sense when they began to think that the reason he was in
> Florida was because he had attached himself to the two main law
> enforcement officers on his case. So Jim thought he would go after
> Callie as being easier to get at than Jim with the bonus that she is
> also a nurse. Turns out Jim was right about what the killer was
> thinking but he just had the wrong guy in mind, and he had guessed
> wrong on who the killer would go after.
BTW, was there anybody who didn't spot the pool cleaner killer in his
first scene?
Rhino
"Robin Miller" <Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote in message
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Agreed. It seemed like they were trying to come up with a way to work Callie
into the main plot lines and were stretching a little to get there....
And then there's the whole question of just what "forensic nursing" is.
Seriously, what is a "forensic nurse" and what does he or she do? If there's
been a violent crime and someone has been killed, a nurse would have no one
to nurse. If someone has been injured at a violent crime, paramedics would
treat the person and rush them to the ER. Why have a nurse at the crime
scene?
Since Callie is supposedly a nurse who is studying to be a doctor, wouldn't
it make more sense for her to take a sudden interest in autopsies so that
she might make a credible medical examiner's assistant - or maybe
(eventually) an actual medical examiner?
But even this seems a stretch. After all, she is in the early days of med
school and it seems too soon in that process for her to be doing much of
anything except what she is already qualified to do, namely nursing.
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"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I don't know. I think you're being a bit harsh. Callie is certainly guilty
of playing head games in this episode but just about every woman that ever
lived has done that at one point or another so it's hard to call her insane
for it.
And I think she's pretty attractive so she is definitely worth pursuing from
that point of view.
As for dishonest, I'm not sure I see it that way. The relationship with her
husband is certainly problematical: she seems much fonder of Jim than her
husband but she is weakening a bit with respect to the hubby since he
actually seems to be getting his life back on track. Kudos to the writers
for exploring that. While it would be much easier to just get rid of the
husband - have him re-offend and go back to jail for example - it's better
drama to have her conflicted about her feelings. It's probably truer to life
too.
Just my two cents worth....
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Rhino
Robin Miller
Well, I wasn't even sure that there really was such a thing, but there is:
Forensic Nurses specialize in caring for victims and perpetrators of
violence. They also take part in the legal system by collecting forensic
evidence and providing consultation to medical and law agencies.
--Robin
Robin Miller
> "Robin Miller"<Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote in message
> news:m_6dnYqn8s8r02XQ...@giganews.com...
>> Rhino wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Like I said, I think they overreached themselves by trying to do too much
>>> in
>>> a single episode. Hopefully, things will be more or less back to normal
>>> by
>>> the next episode and for the rest of the season.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well, now they are introducing "forensic nursing" as a way of getting
>> Callie even more involved in the action. That struck me as possible
>> overreaching.
>>
>
> Agreed. It seemed like they were trying to come up with a way to work Callie
> into the main plot lines and were stretching a little to get there....
On a completely different note, it was good to see Natalia Cigliuti again:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0162233/
Though she has 29 credits on IMDb, I hadn't noticed her until Raising
the Bar, where I liked her character Bobbie.
IMDb only lists her as appearing in this past episode, though news
stories say that she'll be staying for a while. I might have read six
episodes somewhere.
I didn't think Jim had any real chemistry with Natalie's character,
though. I don't remember, and IMDb doesn't give the character's name.
--Robin
Anim8rFSK
Robin Miller <Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
LOL, and she can make her own hours.
They also take part in the legal system by collecting forensic
> evidence and providing consultation to medical and law agencies.
Same LOL, for everything but 'consult'
Smokie Darling (Annie)
8<--snip-->8
> Well, I wasn't even sure that there really was such a thing, but there is:
>
> http://www.iafn.org/
>
> Forensic Nurses specialize in caring for victims and perpetrators of
> violence. They also take part in the legal system by collecting forensic
> evidence and providing consultation to medical and law agencies.
>
> --Robin
There is actually a website dedicated to forensic nursing (aside from the one you linked, that is): www.theforensicnurse.com. Written for morons like me <smile>.
Their definition of the job is that they are primarily the liaison between the criminal justice system and the medical examiner, but they tend to work in the ER (where they collect the evidence off victims of crime - which makes a lot of sense, rather than waiting for the ole CSIs to show up before treatment begins <ahem>).
Anim8rFSK
<4caff9e0-3b96-444c...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com
>,
And, again, how does she make her own hours? :)
shawn
wrote:
Yep, it sounds like an on-call job instead of a free scheduled job.
The only work she would have is when there is a victim to examine. But
this is TV where they can define the job however they want. I suppose
they could say that she has the right to turn down any job that
conflicts with other responsibilities but that should impact her
finances too much to do that often. We'll have to see how the writers
plan on handling this new job.
fratermus
> Last season she was on-off-on-off with Jim. Now it seems they are going
> to get together once the divorce business is tidied up, maybe. But in
> the Season 2 opener, when a former Chicago partner-girlfriend of Jim's
> shows up on a serial murder case in Florida, Callie gets all icy and
> prickly when she meets her for the first time on her first day in
> Florida. "You were together in Chicago weren't you?" "Why didn't you
> tell me about her?"
This is a Girl Thing.
> Jim went all mushy and weak and semi-apologized. He should have said,
> "You mean why didn't I tell you I had a girlfriend, in another city, 18
> months ago, before I even knew you existed?"
This is a Guy Thing. As much as he would like to say the above (or even
add in "should I call you at home when you are with your ex-con husband
to tell you this?") it is a Pyrrhic victory thing. The answer, if one
wants to preserve a relationship, is "Yes, dear."
Oscar Wilde said something about wives never being made truly happy by
husbands who treat them like rational beings.
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frater mus
http://www.mousetrap.net/mouse/
fratermus
> BTW, was there anybody who didn't spot the pool cleaner killer in his
> first scene?
Especially with the "my cousin" reference.
Anim8rFSK
fratermus <nntp2011....@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
> On 06/15/2011 10:27 AM, Bill Idgerant wrote:
>
> > Last season she was on-off-on-off with Jim. Now it seems they are going
> > to get together once the divorce business is tidied up, maybe. But in
> > the Season 2 opener, when a former Chicago partner-girlfriend of Jim's
> > shows up on a serial murder case in Florida, Callie gets all icy and
> > prickly when she meets her for the first time on her first day in
> > Florida. "You were together in Chicago weren't you?" "Why didn't you
> > tell me about her?"
>
> This is a Girl Thing.
>
>
> > Jim went all mushy and weak and semi-apologized. He should have said,
> > "You mean why didn't I tell you I had a girlfriend, in another city, 18
> > months ago, before I even knew you existed?"
>
> This is a Guy Thing. As much as he would like to say the above (or even
> add in "should I call you at home when you are with your ex-con husband
> to tell you this?") it is a Pyrrhic victory thing. The answer, if one
> wants to preserve a relationship, is "Yes, dear."
Yeah, but he shouldn't WANT to preserve that relationship. He should
tell her the truth and move on; all his options are better, including
just being alone.
shawn
wrote:
But she is hot and he's a guy so that sort of logic goes out the
window. :)
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> In article
> <4caff9e0-3b96-444c...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com,
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > There is actually a website dedicated to forensic nursing (aside from the one
> > you linked, that is): www.theforensicnurse.com. Written for morons like me
> > <smile>.
> >
> > Their definition of the job is that they are primarily the liaison between
> > the criminal justice system and the medical examiner, but they tend to work
> > in the ER (where they collect the evidence off victims of crime - which makes
> > a lot of sense, rather than waiting for the ole CSIs to show up before
> > treatment begins <ahem>).
>
> And, again, how does she make her own hours? :)
Because with the relationship between the ME and the PD, she isn't really required (in the world of The Glades). I also don't think the show will bring in the "testifying in court" thing. They (tptb) want her around, so they take the bits they want from the job, and discard the rest.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> On 06/15/2011 10:27 AM, Bill Idgerant wrote:
> > Florida. "You were together in Chicago weren't you?" "Why didn't you
> > tell me about her?"
>
> This is a Girl Thing.
Not *this* girl (or any of my female friends, it's a stereotypical thing). And when did Callie get so needy/clingy/whiny? I don't remember her being such a wuss last season (remember IRS guy?).
> > "You mean why didn't I tell you I had a girlfriend, in another city, 18
> > months ago, before I even knew you existed?"
>
> This is a Guy Thing.
Also stereotypical, and not emblematic of the men I know, most would say... "it matters about something before we met? Really?"
> Oscar Wilde said something about wives never being made truly happy by
> husbands who treat them like rational beings.
Oscar Wilde... being quoted about wives? He was a funny guy, but he was also from a different age.
Windowwasher
news:ac59cf63-3856-4f99...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
Yes. It's just a writer gimmick in this case to cause more conflict. Writers
like to write to conflict cause it's easy.
Anim8rFSK
shawn <nanof...@gNOmail.com> wrote:
But she's less hot than, well, any other woman he knows, including the
beautiful heiress that threw herself at him, or his ex partner, or uber
hot Indian casino cop, or, or, or ...
Anim8rFSK
<bf48a06f-f87d-4c67...@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com
>,
"Oscar Wilde only WISHED he was this gay"
fratermus
> Yeah, but he shouldn't WANT to preserve that relationship. He should
> tell her the truth and move on; all his options are better, including
> just being alone.
I'm afraid that's the kind of thought process we can apply to others
(including fictional Others on television) and rarely to our own
situations. At least in my experience.
But I do get your drift; it's annoying to watch him waste time with a
dysfunctional situation. I think the main problem is criminals are
talented liars and manipulators, and attract folks that like the drama
of being lied to and manipulated. In real life<tm> the wife would
continue running back to the ex-con "like a dog returning to its vomit."
Anim8rFSK
chicagofan
year, but I'm still willing to give her a chance to shape up. If she
doesn't, he's going to drop her for one of those "other options".
bj
emilie.wa...@gmail.com
> I want to like this show as summer-popcorn-fluff, but The Keile Sanchez
> character is getting to me.
>
> to get together once the divorce business is tidied up, maybe. But in
> the Season 2 opener, when a former Chicago partner-girlfriend of Jim's
> shows up on a serial murder case in Florida, Callie gets all icy and
> prickly when she meets her for the first time on her first day in
> Florida. "You were together in Chicago weren't you?" "Why didn't you
> tell me about her?"
>
> "You mean why didn't I tell you I had a girlfriend, in another city, 18
> months ago, before I even knew you existed?"
>
> Bill Idgerant
> Not a real name.
Rhino
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