What Did You Watch? 2012-04-20 (Friday)

[Ubiquitous]

I watched:

THE O'REILLY FACTOR:
• Was Mitt Romney born with a silver spoon in his mouth? That's what
President Obama is implying... Janine Turner and Leslie Marshall
debate it.
• Battle of two network news divisions over Trayvon Martin

FRINGE
What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!
OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the
Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!

FASHION POLICE:
Changing this show from 30 minutes to an hour is NOT working!

GHOST ADVENTURERS:
This week was a VSE in which Scoobie Douche investigated the home of the
guy who invented some of their allegedly scientific equiptment after his
daughter died in a car crash coming home one day.

THE WOMAN WHO WASN'T THERE:
A documentary on a woman claimed to be a 9-11 survivor and scammed a lot
of people out of money, etc,, then went missing when the gig was up,
only to reappear in time for the 10th anniversery procedings. I'm suire
there is a special area of Hell reserved for that bitch.

TMC UNDERGROUND:
"Equinox". A low-budget movie that seems to have been filmed by some
kids who got hold of their father's movie camera. The plot, as I
understood it, concerned two guys and their double dates who went out on
a picnic to see a professor friend who wanted to talk to them about an
ancient tome he found. Well, it turns out its some form of the
Necrocomicon and unleashes all sort of evil stop-action things on them.
Hey! It's "Herb Tarlick" from WKRP In Cincinatti!

What did you watch?


--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."

[Obveeus]

"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

> What did you watch?


GRIMM: Bad guy hit man comes from Europe, chasing after the lead of the
European Wesen resistance. Hit man takes his job seriously. Meanwhile,
Police captain doesn't take any guff, even from the hit man. Some
background on Wesen tells us that there are '7 families' (think mafia) in
Europe. maybe our Police captain is from one of those families...or maybe
he is trying to become an 8th by setting up operations in America? Either
way, we find out that GRIMM are perhaps traditionally hired guns for these
families, not really protectors of the good/innocent. The episode is
resolved with Nick clearly taking actions that do not fall within US law.
Good episode.

[shawn]

It was a good episode but the reveal about the traditional role of
Grimms leaves me a bit confused. The aunt had a key that the rulers of
the Vessen world want desparately and yet she never gave it to them.
That's not an action of a loyal member of the royal court. So either
she was another rogue Grimm or they weren't as closely tied to the
Wessen royalty as our resident time traveling spacman now turned
hitman said. (Yes, that's a reference to another role he played
previously.) Or perhaps it's another break from how things are done in
the USA versus in Europe.

[Obveeus]

"shawn" <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 08:33:58 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What did you watch?
>>
>>
>>GRIMM: Bad guy hit man comes from Europe, chasing after the lead of the
>>European Wesen resistance. Hit man takes his job seriously. Meanwhile,
>>Police captain doesn't take any guff, even from the hit man. Some
>>background on Wesen tells us that there are '7 families' (think mafia) in
>>Europe. maybe our Police captain is from one of those families...or maybe
>>he is trying to become an 8th by setting up operations in America? Either
>>way, we find out that GRIMM are perhaps traditionally hired guns for these
>>families, not really protectors of the good/innocent. The episode is
>>resolved with Nick clearly taking actions that do not fall within US law.
>>Good episode.
>>
>
> It was a good episode but the reveal about the traditional role of
> Grimms leaves me a bit confused. The aunt had a key that the rulers of
> the Vessen world want desparately and yet she never gave it to them.
> That's not an action of a loyal member of the royal court.

I'm thinking that Nick's family of GRIMM has been resistance types for
multiple generations. They likely came to America because they didn't want
to work for the 7 mafia families...or because they wanted to protect
themselves from those families (which they would need to do if they had
stolen important artifacts).

[Arthur Lipscomb]

On 4/21/2012 5:33 AM, Obveeus wrote:
> "Ubiquitous"<web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> What did you watch?
>
>
>

Fringe - Takes place about 25 years in the future where the Observers
have conquered the planet and what's left of Fringe division works for
them. To fight the Observers, the resistance locates and restores
Walter and the usual wackiness ensues, this time with antimatter. Great
episode but too many questions were left unanswered.


Nikita - Percy is back in charge of Division and sets his sights on
obtaining some plutonium. Meanwhile Nikita is captured and tortured by
one of her former targets who in exchange for being handed Nikita (a
little to easily) promises Percy the plutonium. The end felt like a
reset to the first season. While not necessarily a bad thing, I hope
they continue to come up with fresh ideas.


Independent Lens (recorded on PBS) "Revenge of the Electric Car" -
Sequel to "Who Killed the Electric Car." OK but even at only around 80
minutes felt a little too long.


(Saved for later Degrassi, Supernatural and Grimm)

[tdciago]

On Apr 21, 8:33 am, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
> GRIMM:  Bad guy hit man comes from Europe, chasing after the lead of the

> European Wesen resistance ... Good episode.

Patience has really paid off with this show. There was concern that
it would just be another dressed-up police procedural with a monster
of the week, but now they're getting into the good stuff: the history
of the Grimms and the Wesen. They've introduced various characters
along the way who are now going to play a part in this story.

I knew I had seen the actor playing Ian before, but I couldn't place
him. After checking IMDb, I have my answer. He was Liam, Charlie's
brother on LOST.

FASHION POLICE (E!) - I have to disagree with Ubi on this one. I like
the one-hour format. The guests have been fun, and now we have a new
game called "Tat-Who?" to guess the celeb from their tattoo. It's
working for me. And sometimes Joan gets in a truly funny zinger.
Last week they were discussing a Stella McCartney dress on LeAnn Rimes
that had been worn by at least three other celebrities, so they were
tired of seeing it. Joan said, "That dress has seen more red carpets
than an Irish lesbian."

[suzeeq]

Ubiquitous wrote:
> I watched:
>
> THE O'REILLY FACTOR:
> • Was Mitt Romney born with a silver spoon in his mouth? That's what
> President Obama is implying... Janine Turner and Leslie Marshall
> debate it.
> • Battle of two network news divisions over Trayvon Martin
>
> FRINGE
> What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!
> OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the
> Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
> have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
> but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!

They always do something weird and out of the main storyline box for the
19th episode. If the Observers had succeeded in going back to do what
they wanted, they would have created a paradox of sorts, so it didn't work.

[Ian J. Ball]

In article <jmu7ur$ep6$1...@dont-email.me>,

web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:

> What did you watch?

A lot of DVR clearing yesterday:

Don't Trust The B---- in Apt. 23 (recorded) - June makes the mistake of
listening to Chloe, who sets June up with an attractive older dude
(Michae Landes! YaY!!). Problem is, dude turns out to be Chloe's
*father*!! (Like, *double*-ick!!)
(And there is *no* way Landes is old enough to be Krysten Ritter's
dad, right?!... [looking up on IMDb...] Nope! a less than 10 year age
difference!!)
Later, Marin Hinkle shows up a Chloe's Mom. Generally, I don't like
shows like this to reveal parents this early in the proceedings - it
means the show is either going to obliged to produce Landes and Hinkle
every so often, or it'll be forced to ignore Chloe's parents from here
on in (which always annoys the hell out of me).
Anyway, little of Liza Lapira this episode (which was disappointing),
and far too much of the creepy neighbor, a character I just wish they'd
drop. And more ripping on Van der Beek for "Dawson's Creek"! :)

Awake (recording) - As others have said, this was by far the weakest
episode so far. Very procedure-y, and both cases were a bore. (And,
outside of Lauren Allen, and the two partners, *no one* else in the main
cast - no shrinks, no son, no Micheala McManus.) Only Britten
reconnecting with Laura Allen was even halfway interesting. :/

Missing (recorded) - OTOH, I'm enjoying this one more and more. But I
can already see where they're going with this - e.g. the CIA has a
'mole', and I'll give you just one guess as to the mole's identity, esp.
after the early proceedings in this episode.
Then, for some LOLs, Becca Winstone goes totally rogue, and steals a
helicopter out from under about a couple dozen CIA agents, including
Dax's boss! (Gina McKee) and magically flies to Moscow (from, where?,
Austria?!!) Meanwhile, the kid and the Czech whore manage to "escape"
the castle (after some help from the guy holding them(!?!)).
I definitely think "letting" the kid escape was the plan all along.
And I definitely am starting to think that Sean Bean is a closet 'good
guy'.

Last Man Standing (recorded) - A highly enjoyable episode about Mike and
Vanessa and all the "events" they have to attend to "support" their
"kids" (which includes Kristin's boyfriend/Mike's coworker Kyle!). I did
like the idea of people laughing hysterically at Mandy's "death scene"
in "Romeo & Juliet". :)

Psych (recorded season finale!) - A very solid season finale - their
take on "Chinatown" (still never seen it!) obviously - with a serious
case, but still some goofy sidelines.
In this one, the "femme fatale" is played by FauxBeth (that's for
Fred! - it was really Amanda Schull), and the suspect du jour was Rob
Estes. (Good misdirection with Lolita Davidovitch - I just assumed she
was the killer.)
I'm not sure I cared for the cliffhanger - that had better not be an
opportunity for them to write someone out!!

Nikita - Nikita's past finally comes back to bite her in the ass in a
big way (though they already did that storyline to some extent in a
season #1 episode), and she's tortured for most of this episode.
Meanwhile, her crew try to free her. And Percy cuts a deal with Nikita's
torturer for some Plutonium. This definitely was a return to first
season form.

Recorded for later: Degrassi, and Fringe.

--
"We're gonna need a lot of therapy." - the character Rachel in "Bunnyman"
(named 1 of the 5 Worst Horror Films of 2011 by 28DaysLaterAnalysis.com!!)

[Ubiquitous]

In article <jmuho2$5en$1...@dont-email.me>, art...@alum.calberkeley.org
wrote:

>Fringe - Takes place about 25 years in the future where the Observers
>have conquered the planet and what's left of Fringe division works for
>them. To fight the Observers, the resistance locates and restores
>Walter and the usual wackiness ensues, this time with antimatter.
>Great episode but too many questions were left unanswered.

Nothing new, ha ha

[Ubiquitous]

tdc...@aol.com wrote:

>FASHION POLICE (E!) - I have to disagree with Ubi on this one. I like
>the one-hour format. The guests have been fun, and now we have a new
>game called "Tat-Who?" to guess the celeb from their tattoo. It's
>working for me. And sometimes Joan gets in a truly funny zinger.

I think it's hit-and-miss with Joan's jokes, but really, they are all
starting to sound alike to me, OK, I was amused by the tattoo segment,
but yuck! I really didn;t need to know about two of them.

[Ubiquitous]

In article <jmuk4r$i2p$1...@dont-email.me>, su...@imbris.com wrote:

>Ubiquitous wrote:

>> FRINGE
>> What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!
>> OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the
>> Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
>> have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
>> but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
>
>They always do something weird and out of the main storyline box for the
>19th episode. If the Observers had succeeded in going back to do what
>they wanted, they would have created a paradox of sorts, so it didn't work.

Perhaps I am missing something, but why have the Observers gone to all this
trouble?

[EGK]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:31:53 -0700, "Ian J. Ball"
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>Recorded for later: Degrassi, and Fringe.

You could wait till next year to watch Fringe since it was just a backdoor
pilot to try and eek out another season of the show.
Changing the Observers from practically unemotional automatons to sex-crazed
Nazi's made me laugh. I should have expected something like that when one
of the stars from LOST showed up.

[suzeeq]

Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> On 4/21/2012 5:33 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>> "Ubiquitous"<web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What did you watch?
>>
>>
>
> Fringe - Takes place about 25 years in the future where the Observers
> have conquered the planet and what's left of Fringe division works for
> them. To fight the Observers, the resistance locates and restores
> Walter and the usual wackiness ensues, this time with antimatter. Great
> episode but too many questions were left unanswered.

It's meant to be a standalone episode without many answers though they
may tie it into future ones.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

On 4/21/2012 10:02 AM, EGK wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:31:53 -0700, "Ian J. Ball"
> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Recorded for later: Degrassi, and Fringe.
>
> You could wait till next year to watch Fringe since it was just a backdoor
> pilot to try and eek out another season of the show.

Regardless of the motives it was still a good episode.

> Changing the Observers from practically unemotional automatons to sex-crazed
> Nazi's made me laugh. I should have expected something like that when one
> of the stars from LOST showed up.

I wondered where I recognized him from.

[Brian Thorn]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:07:55 +0000 (UTC), web...@polaris.net
(Ubiquitous) wrote:

>I watched:
>
>THE O'REILLY FACTOR:
>• Was Mitt Romney born with a silver spoon in his mouth? That's what
> President Obama is implying... Janine Turner and Leslie Marshall
> debate it.
>• Battle of two network news divisions over Trayvon Martin
>
>FRINGE
>What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!

Just their annual oddball episode, I think. See also the musical
"Brown Betty" and the animated "LSD".

>OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years

24 years to 2036

>into the future, after the
>Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
>have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
>but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!

Bell is still alive for the same reason The Other Side's Broyles is
still alive (we saw him die, remember). Removing Peter from the
timeline prevented that whole series of events (which included Bell
dying to get Olivia & Co. home) from ever happening.

Brian

[EGK]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:46:08 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb
<art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

>On 4/21/2012 10:02 AM, EGK wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:31:53 -0700, "Ian J. Ball"
>> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Recorded for later: Degrassi, and Fringe.
>>
>> You could wait till next year to watch Fringe since it was just a backdoor
>> pilot to try and eek out another season of the show.
>
>Regardless of the motives it was still a good episode.

For a completely different show maybe. With possibly only 3 episodes left
in the series, I think they should concentrate on the one they're doing now.

[Frosty]

>>but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
>
> Bell is still alive for the same reason The Other Side's Broyles is
> still alive (we saw him die, remember). Removing Peter from the
> timeline prevented that whole series of events (which included Bell
> dying to get Olivia & Co. home) from ever happening.

Correct.

[thinbluemime]

Do you remember the LOST episode when Desmond had a chat with Ms Hawking
and the building fell on the red shoe man and Desmond got pissed because
Ms Hawking could have prevented the death? Ms Hawking had foreknowledge of
the event.

The incident that split the FRINGE universe began at Reiden lake. This is
where September intervened at what is known as the 'Zero Event'. September
intervened because he knew what was going to happen.

If the Observers can time travel, and appear at major world events, do you
think September was at Ground Zero on September 11, 2001?

[anim8rFSK]

In article
<ijball-NO_SPAM-EE0...@news.eternal-september.org>,

"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> In article <jmu7ur$ep6$1...@dont-email.me>,
> web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
> > What did you watch?
>
> A lot of DVR clearing yesterday:
>
> Don't Trust The B---- in Apt. 23 (recorded) - June makes the mistake of
> listening to Chloe, who sets June up with an attractive older dude
> (Michae Landes! YaY!!). Problem is, dude turns out to be Chloe's
> *father*!! (Like, *double*-ick!!)
> (And there is *no* way Landes is old enough to be Krysten Ritter's
> dad, right?!... [looking up on IMDb...] Nope! a less than 10 year age
> difference!!)

Whew

> Later, Marin Hinkle shows up a Chloe's Mom. Generally, I don't like
> shows like this to reveal parents this early in the proceedings - it
> means the show is either going to obliged to produce Landes and Hinkle
> every so often, or it'll be forced to ignore Chloe's parents from here
> on in (which always annoys the hell out of me).
> Anyway, little of Liza Lapira this episode (which was disappointing),

I sort of think that that's as much of her as we're gonna get; would
have been funny to see her making out with Dad though.

> and far too much of the creepy neighbor, a character I just wish they'd
> drop. And more ripping on Van der Beek for "Dawson's Creek"! :)
>

I liked it a lot.

>
> Psych (recorded season finale!) - A very solid season finale - their
> take on "Chinatown" (still never seen it!) obviously - with a serious
> case, but still some goofy sidelines.
> In this one, the "femme fatale" is played by FauxBeth (that's for

:)

> Fred! - it was really Amanda Schull), and the suspect du jour was Rob
> Estes. (Good misdirection with Lolita Davidovitch - I just assumed she
> was the killer.)
> I'm not sure I cared for the cliffhanger - that had better not be an
> opportunity for them to write someone out!!

Did you note that the 'coming soon' previews were all clips we'd already
seen?

--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?

[Ian J. Ball]

On Apr 21, 3:04 pm, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article
> <ijball-NO_SPAM-EE0226.09315321042...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>  "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Psych (recorded season finale!) - A very solid season finale - their
> > take on "Chinatown" (still never seen it!) obviously - with a serious
> > case, but still some goofy sidelines.
> >    In this one, the "femme fatale" is played by FauxBeth (that's for
>
> :)
>
> > Fred! - it was really Amanda Schull),

What this really means is, in PLL turns, Schull is "RealMeredith" and
"Beth" is "FauxMeredith"!! ;p

> > and the suspect du jour was Rob
> > Estes. (Good misdirection with Lolita Davidovitch - I just assumed she
> > was the killer.)
> >    I'm not sure I cared for the cliffhanger - that had better not be an
> > opportunity for them to write someone out!!
>
> Did you note that the 'coming soon' previews were all clips we'd already
> seen?

That's standard practice, with both broadcast and cable network shows
- afterall, it's hard to show "Coming Soon!" scenes of future episodes
when they haven't even been filmed yet!!

But you notice that a lot when shows like "Burn Notice" and "White
Collar" (I think I've also seen it with some of The CW shows too...)
get to the end of the season, and then do one of those "Coming Soon!
(in the Fall!)" teasers with nothing but recycled scenes... :/

[Ubiquitous]

In article <cop5p7pkmqqhc73pl...@4ax.com>, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:31:53 -0700, "Ian J. Ball"
><ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>>Recorded for later: Degrassi, and Fringe.
>
>You could wait till next year to watch Fringe since it was just a backdoor
>pilot to try and eek out another season of the show.

Judging from the teasers for next week, they won't be resolving this particular
new plot any time soon.

[Ubiquitous]

I've seen nothing to indicate he wouldn't be there.

[Ubiquitous]

Argh.

[thinbluemime]

The LOST episode "Flashes Before Your Eyes" resulted in the Swan hatch
imploding into it's own foot-print. As a result, the survivors of the
mid-air flight breakup fell like watermelons and landed on the island.

Last evening's episode of FRINGE saw a time-jumping episode featuring
Simon (Desmond) in a futuristic Manhattan that included a bomb detonation
in the basement of a building that disintegrated in thin air.

Walter grabbed another obligatory severed hand, as Etta stared out the
subway window facing the One World Trade Center.

[thinbluemime]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:31:03 +0100, thinbluemime <thinbl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

of a previous event from that same structure

[Ubiquitous]

btho...@suddenlink.net wrote:

>web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:

>>FRINGE
>>What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!

>>OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the

>>Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
>>have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
>>but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
>
>Bell is still alive for the same reason The Other Side's Broyles is
>still alive (we saw him die, remember). Removing Peter from the
>timeline prevented that whole series of events (which included Bell
>dying to get Olivia & Co. home) from ever happening.

If that's the case, then how come we've never seen him?

[Ubiquitous]

Except he's nowhere to be seen and yet to be mentioned. One would
think someone that important would have been mentioned by now.

[Robin Miller]

Ubiquitous wrote:

> In article<jmuk4r$i2p$1...@dont-email.me>, su...@imbris.com wrote:
>> Ubiquitous wrote:
>
>>> FRINGE
>>> What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!
>>> OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the
>>> Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
>>> have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
>>> but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
>>
>> They always do something weird and out of the main storyline box for the
>> 19th episode. If the Observers had succeeded in going back to do what
>> they wanted, they would have created a paradox of sorts, so it didn't work.
>
> Perhaps I am missing something, but why have the Observers gone to all this
> trouble?
>

You mean why did they take over earth? It was stated that earth had
become uninhabitable at some date in the future, and that the observers
had come back to shortly after the current time because they needed a
new home.

--Robin

[David Barnett]

In article <jmu7ur$ep6$1...@dont-email.me>,
web...@polaris.net says...
<snip>
> I watched:

> FRINGE
> What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!
> OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the
> Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
> have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
> but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
>

> What did you watch?

I also watched Fringe, & have already posted about it in
rast.
Prior to that I watched Nurse Jackie: Disneyland Sucks.

The day before that, Saturday, I watched Touch: Lost and
Found.
I suppose it will never happen, but a little more advance
in communication would be nice.
Also I could do without the endless coincidences of the
number of the week.
Nevertheless, unlike others here, I still like the show.

--
David Barnett

[David Barnett]

In article <jmu9fo$mvc$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com
says...

>
> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
> > What did you watch?
>

> GRIMM: Bad guy hit man comes from Europe, chasing after the lead of the

> European Wesen resistance. Hit man takes his job seriously. Meanwhile,
> Police captain doesn't take any guff, even from the hit man. Some
> background on Wesen tells us that there are '7 families' (think mafia) in
> Europe. maybe our Police captain is from one of those families...or maybe
> he is trying to become an 8th by setting up operations in America? Either
> way, we find out that GRIMM are perhaps traditionally hired guns for these
> families, not really protectors of the good/innocent. The episode is
> resolved with Nick clearly taking actions that do not fall within US law.
> Good episode.

This show ended here with the Plumed Serpent episode.
Admittedly, according to epguides.com, there was a 3 weeks
gap in the US to the next episode, and so it may resume
here. If it does, I'll probably watch it again but I don't
feel like resorting to other measures to watch this show.

I'm still waiting for Once Upon a Time to air here! - it's
still getting promoted by our Channel 7.
--
David Barnett

[David Barnett]

In article <jmup66$dbd$3...@dont-email.me>,
web...@polaris.net says...

>
> In article <jmuk4r$i2p$1...@dont-email.me>, su...@imbris.com wrote:
> >Ubiquitous wrote:
>
> >> FRINGE
> >> What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!
> >> OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the
> >> Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
> >> have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
> >> but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
> >
> >They always do something weird and out of the main storyline box for the
> >19th episode. If the Observers had succeeded in going back to do what
> >they wanted, they would have created a paradox of sorts, so it didn't work.
>
> Perhaps I am missing something, but why have the Observers gone to all this
> trouble?

Only the writers possibly know that!
We certainly don't.

--
David Barnett

[David Barnett]

In article <cop5p7pkmqqhc73pl...@4ax.com>,
m...@privacy.net says...

>
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:31:53 -0700, "Ian J. Ball"
> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Recorded for later: Degrassi, and Fringe.
>

<snip>

> Changing the Observers from practically unemotional automatons to sex-crazed
> Nazi's made me laugh.

<snip>

Implied by me in my post to rast.
--
David Barnett

[Ubiquitous]

In article <jmvrd1$e59$1...@dont-email.me>, compl...@invalid.com wrote:

I meant "Why have the Observers gone to all this trouble to change the
past if they meant to take over Earth in the first place?".

[Ubiquitous]

dbar...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
>web...@polaris.net says...

>> >Ubiquitous wrote:

>> >> FRINGE
>> >> What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!
>> >> OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the
>> >> Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
>> >> have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
>> >> but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
>> >
>> >They always do something weird and out of the main storyline box for the
>> >19th episode. If the Observers had succeeded in going back to do what
>> >they wanted, they would have created a paradox of sorts, so it didn't work.
>>
>> Perhaps I am missing something, but why have the Observers gone to all this
>> trouble?
>
>Only the writers possibly know that!
>We certainly don't.

BWAH!

[David Johnston]

This episode indicated that the Observers actually come from the future.
Therefore that suggests their actions in the past were aimed at
preventing changes to history that would eliminate their own existence.

[Robin Miller]

Hmmm, because, while they can see all possible futures, they can't tell
which possible future will actually occur, and the one that did occur
for them was the really sucky one in which earth had become uninhabitable?

--Robin

[thinbluemime]

Interesting idea. Walter's dimensional journey at Reiden Lake to snatch
the alternate Peter could have been a perceived threat to the Observers,
since we now know, adult Peter's offspring Etta is part of the resistance
that is fighting the Observer's ruthless rule. So if any of this is
accurate, September was sent to the Zero Event at Reiden Lake, not to save
Peter but to insure that Walter did not save the boy.

This argument could also be used to explain why September interrupted
Walternate when he nearly discovered the cure for Peter. But for some
reason September DID save the drowning duo and from hints in the episode
'August', September may have decided to go against the wishes of the
Observing time Lords out of love.

I guess the only way we will find out for sure is to have a Fringe season
5. :)

[thinbluemime]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:20:54 +0100, David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:

[Brian Thorn]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:57:42 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:

>>Bell is still alive for the same reason The Other Side's Broyles is
>>still alive (we saw him die, remember). Removing Peter from the
>>timeline prevented that whole series of events (which included Bell
>>dying to get Olivia & Co. home) from ever happening.
>
>If that's the case, then how come we've never seen him?

"Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense."

Brian

[Brian Thorn]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:01:54 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:

>In article <jmv766$9jj$1...@dont-email.me>, frostyw...@mymts.net wrote:
>
>>>>but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
>>>
>>> Bell is still alive for the same reason The Other Side's Broyles is
>>> still alive (we saw him die, remember). Removing Peter from the
>>> timeline prevented that whole series of events (which included Bell
>>> dying to get Olivia & Co. home) from ever happening.
>>
>>Correct.
>
>Except he's nowhere to be seen and yet to be mentioned. One would
>think someone that important would have been mentioned by now.

Walter has mentioned "Belly" a few times this season. I don't recall
Walter ever saying Bell was deceased in this timeline. Similarly,
Peter has never said, "Hey, Col. Broyles was dead in my universe."

So Col. Broyles and Jones are alive when they were dead in the other
timeline. Why is it so hard to believe that Bell didn't die, either?

Brian

[David Johnston]

On 4/21/2012 6:57 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> btho...@suddenlink.net wrote:
>> web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
>>> FRINGE
>>> What the hell? ANOTHER new dangling plotline? Ha ha ha!
>>> OK, this week we skip ahead 15 years into the future, after the
>>> Observers have gone into the past and taken over the Earth, I
>>> have no recollection of September warning Peter and Walter about it,
>>> but for some odd reason William Bell is still alive!
>>
>> Bell is still alive for the same reason The Other Side's Broyles is
>> still alive (we saw him die, remember). Removing Peter from the
>> timeline prevented that whole series of events (which included Bell

>> dying to get Olivia& Co. home) from ever happening.

>
> If that's the case, then how come we've never seen him?
>

How come we never saw otherside's Nina Sharp until we did?

[David Barnett]

In article <jn09gi$16u$9...@dont-email.me>,
web...@polaris.net says...

Oh well, the Observers had wrecked the planet in the
future, and so...

--
David Barnett

[Ubiquitous]

Another thing; just how many people went back in time and moved in with us?
Wouldn't the addition of several billion people cause some BIG problems?

[Ubiquitous]

Nina's a tertiary character. Bell was a primary, maybe secondary one.

[thinbluemime]

How can several billion dead people cause a problem?

[suzeeq]

Just a handful of the Observers, no more than a hundred or so.

[David Johnston]

Oh like hell he was. Prior to the activation we actually saw him in,
what, two episodes?

[Jim G.]

thinbluemime sent the following on 4/21/2012 11:28 AM:

> If the Observers can time travel, and appear at major world events, do you
> think September was at Ground Zero on September 11, 2001?

Dude. You seriously need to either get a life or drop the obsession. Or
both.

--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"All right now. I can kill werewolves, fix a Pinto and bake cornbread. I
will be damned if I can't get Zen."" -- Bobby Singer, SUPERNATURAL

[thinbluemime]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:43:17 +0100, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:

> thinbluemime sent the following on 4/21/2012 11:28 AM:
>> If the Observers can time travel, and appear at major world events, do
>> you
>> think September was at Ground Zero on September 11, 2001?
>
> Dude. You seriously need to either get a life or drop the obsession. Or
> both.
>

It is useless to respond to personal attacks on usenet because to do so
usually devolves into a flame war. So instead of starting another useless
war, I decided to list some of JJ Abrams recent works, with an eye toward
the September 11, 2001 attacks and the influence of that event on his
vision of television pop culture.

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Fringe is an American science fiction television series created by J. J.
Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci.
Executive producer(s): J. J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Alex Kurtzman, Roberto
Orci, J. H. Wyman, Jeff Pinkner

Fringe (2008–present) - The show repeatedly references the 9/11 attacks,
as well as depicts an alternate reality, in which the show explicitly
shows the event having been averted, at the cost of there being other
terrorist attacks in its place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cultural_references_to_the_September_11_attacks#Television

----------------------

FRINGE Executive producer J. H. Wyman


@JWFRINGE what's your favorite book? :)
JOEL WYMAN ‏ @JWFRINGE

@pohtaytoes A Tale Of Two Cities.
7:11 PM - 18 Apr 12

http://twitter.com/#!/JWFRINGE/status/192676738373926912

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In anticipation of the third season of "Lost," ABC News Senior National
Correspondent Jake Tapper sat down with executive producers and writers
J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse to talk about the show, the
mythologies, and its place in TV history.(1)

LOST Season 3 Episode 1 - Season Premiere (A Tale Of Two Cities):

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74560&fullsize=1

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74564&fullsize=1

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74598&fullsize=1

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=74568&fullsize=1 <-
Juliet Burke arrived on the island in September 2001. She eventually fell
to her death and her body was retrieved from under a pile of construction
rubble

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Cloverfield is a 2008 American found-footage style action/horror film
produced by J. J. Abrams. Roger Ebert in the Chicago Sun-Times wrote that
the film is "pretty scary at times" and cites "unmistakable evocations of
9/11"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloverfield

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Person of Interest is an American television crime drama broadcasting on
CBS. It is based on a screenplay developed by J. J. Abrams and Jonathan
Nolan.

David Wiegand of the San Francisco Chronicle said "Person of Interest
separates itself from the gimmick pack, not only because of superbly
nuanced characterization and writing but also because of how it engages a
post-9/11 sense of paranoia in its viewers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_interest#2001_anthrax_attacks

-----------------



(1)
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2553741&page=6#.T5VqFOV_6Sw

In anticipation of the third season of "Lost," ABC News Senior National
Correspondent Jake Tapper sat down with executive producers and writers
J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse to talk about the show, the
mythologies, and its place in TV history.

LINDELOF: When we were first working on the pilot, the idea that it was
going to start with a plane crash and that all throughout the first 10 or
so episodes of the show there are just shattered pieces of the plane all
around -- people started to process that 9/11 metaphor without it being
intentional at all.

ABRAMS: These questions had come up. But it wasn't until we got to the set
the first day and saw this airplane -- we had taken an airplane and
shipped it to Hawaii and we'd built this set but it was a real plane --
that it was so depressing and it was so numbing to see this plane there.
It was a very interesting thing that that reality of not just a plane
crash but, you know, but 9/11 itself there -- it wasn't theoretical
anymore. I actually sort of felt it more that first day that I was on the
set than I had before.

LINDELOF: There was a scene in Season 1 where they've been getting
attacked by The Others and Locke comes out on the beach and he's saying,
"We've been attacked by these people, sabotaged by these people. We need
to stop worrying about attacking each other, and we have to start worrying
about them." And I remember watching that scene in dailies for the first
time and going, "Oh, wait a minute!" That was the first moment where from
the inside looking out I suddenly realized that -- it wasn't intentional
but at the same time very similar things were being said on Fox News.

And I thought that we were going to get now accused of doing the big
political statement. The whole idea of sort of al Qaeda -- the invisible
enemy, they hate us but we don't know why, but then when you look at
things from their point of view you begin to sort of look at things in an
entirely different way -- that parable started playing out on the show.

[Jim G.]

thinbluemime sent the following on 4/23/2012 10:52 AM:

> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:43:17 +0100, Jim G.<jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> thinbluemime sent the following on 4/21/2012 11:28 AM:
>>> If the Observers can time travel, and appear at major world events, do
>>> you
>>> think September was at Ground Zero on September 11, 2001?
>>
>> Dude. You seriously need to either get a life or drop the obsession. Or
>> both.
>>
> It is useless to respond to personal attacks on usenet because to do so
> usually devolves into a flame war. So instead of starting another useless
> war, I decided to list some of JJ Abrams recent works, with an eye toward
> the September 11, 2001 attacks and the influence of that event on his
> vision of television pop culture.

[Snip the usual Mime wanking material that he's *still* too stupid to
realize *directly* contradicts the claims that he's making.]

Dude. You seriously need to either get a life or drop the obsession. Or
both.

[thinbluemime]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:09:44 +0100, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:

> thinbluemime sent the following on 4/23/2012 10:52 AM:
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:43:17 +0100, Jim G.<jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> thinbluemime sent the following on 4/21/2012 11:28 AM:
>>>> If the Observers can time travel, and appear at major world events, do
>>>> you
>>>> think September was at Ground Zero on September 11, 2001?
>>>
>>> Dude. You seriously need to either get a life or drop the obsession. Or
>>> both.
>>>
>> It is useless to respond to personal attacks on usenet because to do so
>> usually devolves into a flame war. So instead of starting another
>> useless
>> war, I decided to list some of JJ Abrams recent works, with an eye
>> toward
>> the September 11, 2001 attacks and the influence of that event on his
>> vision of television pop culture.
>
> [Snip the usual Mime wanking material that he's *still* too stupid to
> realize *directly* contradicts the claims that he's making.]
>
> Dude. You seriously need to either get a life or drop the obsession. Or
> both.
>

Dam-it Jim, I'm an orthopedic surgeon not a brain doctor.

Let me give you a hand, bro-tha

http://s13.postimage.org/m7mxt4scn/Fringe_S04_E19_resize.jpg

[Jim G.]

thinbluemime sent the following on 4/23/2012 11:35 AM:

Why would I ever bother to click on one of your links? Anyone who has
followed your loony ravings for any length of times (dating back to the
LOST days and the Lost newsgroup, at the very least) knows that you
could find a 9/11 message in a link to a Charlie Brown cartoon from the
early 1960s. That's because you're batshit crazy. I hate to be the one
to break it to you, but there you have it.

[thinbluemime]

I'm crazy? I'm crazy? Do you have jalapenos? Eleven (11) of those please,
on the side...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPS8orCo5GA

[thinbluemime]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:55:20 +0100, thinbluemime <thinbl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

"Live Long and Prosper"
http://s15.postimage.org/mkkri95yz/Fringe419_Letters_Of_Transit0011486.jpg



"He's Dead Jim"
http://s13.postimage.org/m7mxt4scn/Fringe_S04_E19_resize.jpg






----------------------

"...To Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone Before"


9/11: The Photographers' Stories, Part 4—"Whatever It Takes"
http://www.popphoto.com/american-photo/2011/09/911-photographers-stories-part-4



Todd Maisel: One of the most controversial photos I took that day was a
picture of a severed hand on the ground. It ended up in a Swiss museum and
in a book called Controversies. The Daily News ran it, and there were some
people who thought it was a terrible thing to do. You know what? Too bad.
This is what it was. It was a horror. The picture was the Daily News
saying, “The horror of this day must not be reduced. You can’t hide the
terrible things that occurred.” I saw body parts all over the place.

[Jim G.]

thinbluemime sent the following on 4/23/2012 12:55 PM:

Yes.

> I'm crazy?

Yes. Still.

> Do you have jalapenos? Eleven (11) of those please,
> on the side...

You're not making sense. Again.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPS8orCo5GA

What part of "There's no chance of me clicking on one of your inane
links" is still tripping you up?

> If the Observers can time travel, and appear at major world events, do you
> think September was at Ground Zero on September 11, 2001?

Hey, it's your masturbatory fantasy, ace. Answer it any way you want.
You'll understand (I hope) if I don't want to participate.

[Jim G.]

thinbluemime sent the following on 4/23/2012 3:59 PM:

>>>>> Dude. You seriously need to either get a life or drop the obsession..

>>>>> Or
>>>>> both.
>>>>>
>>>> Dam-it Jim, I'm an orthopedic surgeon not a brain doctor.
>>>>
>>>> Let me give you a hand, bro-tha
>>>>
>>>> http://s13.postimage.org/m7mxt4scn/Fringe_S04_E19_resize.jpg
>>>
>>> Why would I ever bother to click on one of your links? Anyone who has
>>> followed your loony ravings for any length of times (dating back to the
>>> LOST days and the Lost newsgroup, at the very least) knows that you
>>> could find a 9/11 message in a link to a Charlie Brown cartoon from the
>>> early 1960s. That's because you're batshit crazy. I hate to be the one
>>> to break it to you, but there you have it.
>>>
>> I'm crazy? I'm crazy? Do you have jalapenos? Eleven (11) of those
>> please, on the side...
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPS8orCo5GA
>>
>> If the Observers can time travel, and appear at major world events, do
>> you think September was at Ground Zero on September 11, 2001?

[More links (that only a moron would actually click on) snipped]

And now we have Blue (using one of many "Blu" 'nyms) replying to
himself, yet another personal trademark. This will most likely be my
last reply here, but I wanted to point out how some things never change.
Obsessions with Jews? Check. Obsession with 9/11? Check. Follow-up
replies to himself? Check. Bottle of lotion sitting next to the
computer? Probably, but I really don't want proof of this one...

[thinbluemime]

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

[thinbluemime]