1st Season Heroes - Landslide - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
George Avalos
5-14-07 Heroes
5 stars (11-4-1980)
0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
-George
Sean Eric Fagan
George Avalos <george...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Landslide"
>5-14-07 Heroes
>5 stars (11-4-1980)
>0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
3.75
It moved the story along, but not much. As with last week's, a lot of it was
putting the pieces into place.
Sylar is smart. And Peter is dumb.
David B
4.33
Kevrob
Note: I can't post to alt.tv.heroes, feel free to copy this there.
I have a major nitpick with the episode, but first, some
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OK, this is a science-fiction/science-fantasy series, so suspension of
disbelief has to be given special care. Richard Donner kept a sign
around his offices when making the first Superman movie bearing the
legend "Verisimilitude." In order to allow us to believe the
fantastic elements, make the non-fantastic ones seem as real as film
can make them. So, pray tell, how am I supposed to believe what Micah
does in this episode when there is no way in hell in the Real World
that there will be networked computerized voting machines in Manhattan
in time for the next Congressional elections?!!! Most election wards
in NYC still use mechanical voting machines, and the switchover to
computerized versions that will meet the new federal standards is, as
these things usually are, a political hairball.
It's been quite a while since I lived in metro NY, but I've read
newspaper articles and websites about this controversy. Am I wrong?
On another note, I hope that those who refer to HEROES as an X-MEN rip-
off noticed the MARVEL product placement in this ep. Micah gets a
SILVER SURFER #1, and next week's show will have a FF 2 preview. If
kring & Co. are stealing from Marvel, the House of Ideas is cool with
it.
Kevin
Ken from Chicago
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Wow, didn't see those deaths coming. They really are going with a new story
next year.
Even better was NBC didn't market their deaths.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ubiquitous
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>OK, this is a science-fiction/science-fantasy series, so suspension of
>disbelief has to be given special care. Richard Donner kept a sign
>around his offices when making the first Superman movie bearing the
>legend "Verisimilitude." In order to allow us to believe the
>fantastic elements, make the non-fantastic ones seem as real as film
>can make them. So, pray tell, how am I supposed to believe what Micah
>does in this episode when there is no way in hell in the Real World
>that there will be networked computerized voting machines in Manhattan
>in time for the next Congressional elections?!!! Most election wards
>in NYC still use mechanical voting machines, and the switchover to
>computerized versions that will meet the new federal standards is, as
>these things usually are, a political hairball.
Ask the Angry Left. They believe every hair-brained electronic voting
machine conspiracy out there. Unless they win, of course.
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
Ubiquitous
wrote:
>"Landslide"
>5-14-07 Heroes
Five stars.
I cannot wait for next week!
What did Nathan whisper to Hiro?
Is Hiro a fast learner (George TK was awesome!, or did he slow down
time around him to learn how to use a sword?
I guess we know how Ando died now.
OMG! OMG! Did you see the promo for the show's website with "Peter"?
And here's the mini-recap from TVwoP:
Peter's hands are glowing, but luckily, he gets control of them, and
Claire doesn't have to shoot him. Well, THAT was anticlimactic. Hiro's
sword is still broken, but, luckily, Ando discovers an ancient samurai
sword repairman in the phone book. Bennet convinces Peter and Ted that
they have to get out of town and Claire agrees to go with them. Sylar's
lurking around the corner and it becomes clear that he's stalking them.
(You guys, I literally went, "What the fuck is HE doing there?" when I
saw Sylar show up. He's such an ass.) Nathan's worried because he's down
in the polls. Linderman assures him that his victory is inevitable. As
long as he lets Peter get blown up. And then Linderman tells him what
we've all long suspected: Papa Petrelli was a Hero. Nathan's wife wheels
up and Linderman takes her hand and whammo! She's healed.
Peter overhears Sylar's thoughts and realizes he's following them so Ted
and Claire and he get off the streets ASAP. Hiro meets up with Nathan en
route to the Ancient Samurai Sword Repairman and Hiro tells Nathan about
the future and how he becomes a bad guy but he can become a good guy if
he helps them stop the bomb. Nathan informs Hiro that he can't stop the
bomb; no one can. Hiro calls him a birrann. At the Ancient Samurai Sword
Repairman's shop, Hiro and Ando are greeted by Captain Dale Dye (what?
it looks like him!) and George Takei, who tells them that they've
reached the end of their journey. Apparently, Hiro's father has just
been waiting for Hiro to grow into his power and be worthy of his
legacy. Now he's going to train his son how to kill. It's like Kill Bill
only with two short Japanese men and no Uma Thurman.
While hanging out with Micah, Candice reveals that Linderman's going to
heal the world. Micah's not buying what she's selling. Linderman shows
up and tells Micah that he's going to save the world by talking to
machines. Candice takes Micah to a voting booth so he can tell all the
computers to vote for Nathan Petrelli. Jessica and D.L. go to visit
Nathan, and they want Micah back. They also want to kill Linderman. As
they're talking, it's announced that Nathan has won by a landslide
victory. Nathan agrees to tell them where Linderman is.
Bennet and Parkman go to destroy the Walker System and meet up with D.L.
and Jessica at OWI headquarters. They join forces and share an elevator
ride upstairs. Molly's inside the lab with Mohinder, but before Bennet
and Parkman can get to her, Thompson shows up and puts a gun to
Parkman's head. So Bennet blows Thompson's brains out. KICK. ASS. Bennet
and Parkman make it inside to Molly; Bennet knew it was a person and
doesn't seem to have too much of a problem killing her, but Parkman is
horrified. Mohinder and Bennet have a Mexican standoff over poor Molly
while Parkman takes a nap on the floor.
Audrey and her FBI goons show up and put Ted under arrest while Peter
and Claire escape via invisibility. Turns out, Sylar's the one that
provided the FBI with the tip on Ted's whereabouts. While they're
transporting Ted to prison, Sylar appears and attacks the van and, of
course, takes Ted's poor radioactive brain. Peter and Claire come across
the fallen van and realize that Sylar's got Ted's power. Jessica and
D.L. finally get to Linderman and they're pissed. Linderman tries to
bribe Jessica to kill D.L., but Niki returns and tells him to go and
screw. So he shoots D.L. And he's about to shoot Niki, but D.L. recovers
enough to shove his hand into Linderman's skull and squeeze his brain
until he dies. At this point, it's not clear whether D.L. survives.
Nathan makes his landslide victory speech with Heidi still in her
wheelchair. While he makes his speech, we see a montage of Claire and
Peter running off, Hiro running after Ando (who's run off to kill Sylar
on his own), Audrey staring at Ted's head, and Mohinder and Bennet
pointing guns around the room while poor little Molly cries.
The final shot of the episode is Sylar up on a rooftop, playing with his
hands of fire. "Boom" is all he says. Creeeeepy.
Dead Walrus
4.754
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> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
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4.
G.
cloud dreamer
4.5 Great set up for next week.
..
MMVIII
cloud dreamer
> On May 15, 2:13 am, David B <bothec...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> George Avalos wrote:
>>> "Landslide"
>>> 5-14-07 Heroes
>>> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>>> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>>> -George
>> 4.
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> OK, this is a science-fiction/science-fantasy series, so suspension of
> disbelief has to be given special care. Richard Donner kept a sign
> around his offices when making the first Superman movie bearing the
> legend "Verisimilitude." In order to allow us to believe the
> fantastic elements, make the non-fantastic ones seem as real as film
> can make them. So, pray tell, how am I supposed to believe what Micah
> does in this episode when there is no way in hell in the Real World
> that there will be networked computerized voting machines in Manhattan
> in time for the next Congressional elections?!!! Most election wards
> in NYC still use mechanical voting machines, and the switchover to
> computerized versions that will meet the new federal standards is, as
> these things usually are, a political hairball.
>
You can accept that a man can fly in the Heroes universe, but that a
voting machine can't be networked in this universe???
Minor point.
..
MMVIII
jewahe
4.75. Another one out of the ball park.
--
JWH
jewahe
Sylar has a lot more information than Peter does, and Sylar has been a
master of trickery for quite some time. Peter is just getting his
bearings. It's not too much of a stretch to believe that Sylar can
outmaneuver Peter at this point.
--
JWH
jewahe
> In article <134ikop...@news.supernews.com>, george...@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>
>> "Landslide"
>> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> Five stars.
>
> I cannot wait for next week!
>
> What did Nathan whisper to Hiro?
Something along the lines of "You can't stop it. No one can."
--
JWH
PV
>"Landslide"
>5-14-07 Heroes
I'm going to be harsh and give this a 3.5. I liked it a lot, but the
anticlimax with Peter (even though we knew it was going to happen that
way), and the lameass "Hiro learns swordsmanship in 5 minutes" montage was
just a bit too much for a higher score. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
PV
>can make them. So, pray tell, how am I supposed to believe what Micah
>does in this episode when there is no way in hell in the Real World
>that there will be networked computerized voting machines in Manhattan
>in time for the next Congressional elections?!!! Most election wards
It already happened.
>It's been quite a while since I lived in metro NY, but I've read
>newspaper articles and websites about this controversy. Am I wrong?
They were rolled out for the November, 2006 elections according to articles
I found on a websearch. *
PV
>I cannot wait for next week!
>
>What did Nathan whisper to Hiro?
He said "nobody can". In answer to Hiro's question about helping avoid the
disaster. *
The Breadmaster
> On another note, I hope that those who refer to HEROES as an X-MEN rip-
> off noticed the MARVEL product placement in this ep. Micah gets a
> SILVER SURFER #1, and next week's show will have a FF 2 preview. If
> kring & Co. are stealing from Marvel, the House of Ideas is cool with
> it.
not to mention Stan Lee had a cameo appearance in the show earlier
this season, and if i wasn't hallucinating, the guy at the sword
repair shop's name was Claremont.
4.2 for this one - the takei montage was a little too 80's movie and
some of the other scenes were necessary but predictable.
cloud dreamer
> "George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> "Landslide"
>> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> I'm going to be harsh and give this a 3.5. I liked it a lot, but the
> anticlimax with Peter (even though we knew it was going to happen that
> way), and the lameass "Hiro learns swordsmanship in 5 minutes" montage was
> just a bit too much for a higher score. *
I have to watch it again to catch some stuff since I was distracted last
night, but who said Hiro was only there for the day. He can control
time...whose to say he didn't go back in time six months and took all
that time to learn...or a week or a year. Whose to say his father can't
slow time down...so two months of training only took a day...then that
would explain why Ando got impatient.
..
MMVIII
Ubiquitous
> web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>> Ask the Angry Left. They believe every hair-brained electronic voting
>> machine conspiracy out there.
>
>And the Unrighteous Right promote the lie that there is no voting
>machine conspiracy because the conspirators are on their side.
Thanks for proving my point, boy.
PV
>I have to watch it again to catch some stuff since I was distracted last
>night, but who said Hiro was only there for the day. He can control
>time...whose to say he didn't go back in time six months and took all
>that time to learn...or a week or a year. Whose to say his father can't
The Bill and Ted maneuver! I don't like it, but it is an acceptable
fanwank. *
Ubiquitous
>It is astounding how the right wingnuts refuse to believe that there has
>been no military victory in Iraq and that country is indeed in a quagmire.
Unfortunately, the facts do not support your ridiculous claims.
>But then again, the right has never allowed facts or logic to
>get in the way of ideology.
It's called "projection". Look it up sometime.
Ubiquitous
wrote:
>Ubiquitous wrote:
>> What did Nathan whisper to Hiro?
>
>Something along the lines of "You can't stop it. No one can."
Ah, OK.
terry king
> I'm going to be harsh and give this a 3.5. I liked it a lot, but the
> anticlimax with Peter (even though we knew it was going to happen that
> way), and the lameass "Hiro learns swordsmanship in 5 minutes" montage was
> just a bit too much for a higher score. *
Wasn't it a couple of eps ago that Ando made reference to Hiro's kendo
training? (Cue hazy recollection of future!Hiro commenting on
"batto-jutsu".) My take on the training montage was that his father
intended to push Hiro past his reluctance to kill, not to teach him how to
use a sword. The point was to prepare him to effectively use skills he
already had.
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him...@animail.net
That's the lowest score I've ever given to an episode with lots of
Hiro (and Sulu, yay!) in it. It wasn't bad for a transition episode,
and there were some cool surprises, but it was the second purely
transitional episode (with no real episode plot) in a row and the
constant shifting from character to character is getting disturbing.
But the thing that really annoyed me was the short time given to Hira
and Dad's training. What? They couldn't have extended it over a
period of days with Ando finally deciding that Dad is just stalling
Hiro? This would have required almost no additional time.
himiko
Irulan
Went too slow for me. Let's get this season over with
already. I think it's a good idea for the writers to go with
an arc only for a few episodes and not stretch it out for
22 eps. The story gets bogged down often this way.
--
Irulan
from the stars we come
to the stars we return
from now until the end of time.
"George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
> -George
>
David
> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
4.9
Everything is coming together perfectly.
~consul
> heal the world. Micah's not buying what she's selling. Linderman shows
Candice is also evidently fat, and she makes an image for herself that is always 'on'.
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, Jameson Stalanthas Yu -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
Kevrob
> Kevrobwrote:
>
> Minor point.
...but not the one I was making. What I'm skeptical about is the
likelihood that New York politicians, let alone the courts, could
settle the issue of what kind of machines and software to use in time
for the next general election.
[Perhaps Eden McCain lobbied everyone involved before she bought it!]
Kevin
Kevrob
> Kevrob<kev...@my-deja.com> writes:
> >can make them. So, pray tell, how am I supposed to believe what Micah
> >does in this episode when there is no way in hell in the Real World
> >that there will be networked computerized voting machines in Manhattan
> >in time for the next Congressional elections?!!! Most election wards
>
> It already happened.
>
> >It's been quite a while since I lived in metro NY, but I've read
> >newspaper articles and websites about this controversy. Am I wrong?
>
> They were rolled out for the November, 2006 elections according to articles
> I found on a websearch. *
> --
>
Are you sure NY went ahead? Seems to me that they haven't executed
the roll-out, yet. See: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2n5vo7 which
is...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/nyregion/08vote.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin
[quote]
The issue of replacing the state's voting machines has been a thorny
one over the last few years. New York is the last state to update its
voting machines, despite a federal mandate requiring it to do so.
[/quote]
I wouldn't place any bets that new HAVA-compliant systems will be
ready in November `08 in the Empire State.
Kevin
jewahe
> ...but not the one I was making. What I'm skeptical about is the
> likelihood that New York politicians, let alone the courts, could
> settle the issue of what kind of machines and software to use in time
> for the next general election.
Actually, this election supposedly occurred on November 7, 2006.
While you have a point about the electronic voting machines...I just
chalk it up to plot necessity and don't worry about it.
--
JWH
Stile4aly
> miche...@michelle.org wrote:
> > web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
> >> Ask the Angry Left. They believe every hair-brained electronic voting
> >> machine conspiracy out there.
>
> >And the Unrighteous Right promote the lie that there is no voting
> >machine conspiracy because the conspirators are on their side.
>
> Thanks for proving my point, boy.
Are you denying that the head of Diebold said that he would deliver
Ohio to Bush?
Are you denying that Diebold machines can be hacked with access to
nothing but the memory card?
Are you denying that Gore had 10,000 negative votes in Volusia County
in 2000?
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that voter machine fraud has
definitely occurred, I think that the old tactics of voter
intimidation and interference have done the job without needing to
hack the machines, but it's clear that such a thing is indeed
possible. Watch "Hacking Democracy" sometime.
Jon
> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
4.5.
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I'd go as low as 3.0. I didn't really care for this one. Some of the big
things were completely predictable: Nathan's wife, the moral problem
killing the "tracking system", Sylar killing Ted.
The suprising deaths of cool characters bummed me out until the preview
makes it look like they're not dead, so I'll have to reserve judgment.
Though I also don't like being manipulated by apparently killing then
oh-wait! they're not dead trick.
And the sword training montage was lame. I don't think Hiro slowed time to
give him a longer training session. They would have mentioned it one way or
another. And I don't understand how being good with a sword has any bearing
on stopping someone who has telekinesis, among other abilities, before he
blows up.
Lisa Coulter
> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
> -George
4.8 really looking forward to next week!
Lisa Coulter
Kevrob
> On May 15, 9:35 am, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
> > miche...@michelle.org wrote:
> > > web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
<snip>
>
> Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that voter machine fraud has
> definitely occurred, I think that the old tactics of voter
> intimidation and interference have done the job without needing to
> hack the machines, but it's clear that such a thing is indeed
> possible. Watch "Hacking Democracy" sometime.
Don't forget that the old style, mechanical voting machines, the kind
with levers, have been hacked in the past. These are still the most
common voting equipment in NYC. The term "machine politics" predates
their introduction, but party bosses have had confederates
misrepresent vote totals, reset the counters of the opposition
parties' lines, or otherwise rig the machines so that votes for the
other candidates aren't registered. People were always accusing the
likes of the late Mayor Daley of Chicago of delivering whatever total
was required to help the state Democratic ticket, for example.
Kevin
PV
>> They were rolled out for the November, 2006 elections according to articles
>> I found on a websearch. *
>
>the roll-out, yet. See: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2n5vo7 which
>is...
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/nyregion/08vote.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin
Ha! I just read that. I was going from an article from July, 2006 that said
they would be in use for the November election.
>The issue of replacing the state's voting machines has been a thorny
>one over the last few years. New York is the last state to update its
>voting machines, despite a federal mandate requiring it to do so.
Yup, it appears they are the ONLY state that hasn't done the HAVA thing
yet. Good for them! Machines without a paper trail should be outlawed, not
mandated.
So, apparently Tim Kring isn't a New York resident, and assumed they had
converted with the rest of the country. Oops, but the Heroes world isn't
our world anyway. Even in our world, I didn't realize that any place in the
country was still using lever machines. If anything is WORSE than
electronic machines, it would be those... *
PV
>Are you denying that Diebold machines can be hacked with access to
>nothing but the memory card?
As the cliche goes, denial is not just a river in Egypt. Good republicans
still can't accept that their party has been hijacked by thugs and
criminals. Fortunately that's starting to change - I expect to see the rest
of the neocons out on their asses in the next election. They're done. *
David Johnston
wrote:
>mich...@michelle.org wrote:
>
>>It is astounding how the right wingnuts refuse to believe that there has
>>been no military victory in Iraq and that country is indeed in a quagmire.
>
>Unfortunately, the facts do not support your ridiculous claims.
Right. All the fighting is over in Iraq, after all. It's not like
the conflict is something that drags on year after year of low level
conflict with no end in sight.
Stile4aly
> Stile4aly <stile4...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >Are you denying that Diebold machines can be hacked with access to
> >nothing but the memory card?
>
> As the cliche goes, denial is not just a river in Egypt. Good republicans
> still can't accept that their party has been hijacked by thugs and
> criminals. Fortunately that's starting to change - I expect to see the rest
> of the neocons out on their asses in the next election. They're done. *
Speaking as one of the aforementioned good republicans, I think a lot
of us feel quite disenfranchised with our party. A true conservative
is for things like fiscal responsibility, management by fact, and
minimal government interference in private life. What the neocons
have delivered is a near-dominionist intrusion into questions of
public morality, management by truthiness, and a hemmorraging budget.
Centrist Dems are more like Republicans used to be, and current
Republicans are a weird mix of evangelicals and hawks. I'm having a
hard time even justifying a vote for Giuliani or McCain, as much as I
dislike Hilary. In many ways, I'm hoping for an Obama v Romney as it
would be an interesting race between two relative centrists.
BTW, I'm intesely curious about your sig.
Pete B
kev...@my-deja.com says...
> On May 15, 2:37 pm, Stile4aly <stile4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On May 15, 9:35 am, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> >
> > > miche...@michelle.org wrote:
> > > > web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous) wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> > Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that voter machine fraud has
> > definitely occurred, I think that the old tactics of voter
> > intimidation and interference have done the job without needing to
> > hack the machines, but it's clear that such a thing is indeed
> > possible. Watch "Hacking Democracy" sometime.
>
> Don't forget that the old style, mechanical voting machines, the kind
> with levers, have been hacked in the past.
Indeed. What you need is pen and paper - and voters who can read.
Pete B
mich...@michelle.org says...
> Unfortunately, the facts support your lies.
>
>
But if the facts support his lies, then it wouldn't be lies would it? :)
Pete B
@yahoo.com says...
> Kevrob wrote:
>
> > ...but not the one I was making. What I'm skeptical about is the
> > likelihood that New York politicians, let alone the courts, could
> > settle the issue of what kind of machines and software to use in time
> > for the next general election.
>
> Actually, this election supposedly occurred on November 7, 2006.
In another timeline - clearly.
Yaris
Awesome episode
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Pete B
says...
> And the sword training montage was lame. I don't think Hiro slowed time to
> give him a longer training session. They would have mentioned it one way or
> another. And I don't understand how being good with a sword has any bearing
> on stopping someone who has telekinesis, among other abilities, before he
> blows up.
It doesn't its the willingness to kill which makes the difference.
Pete B
him...@animail.net says...
> ad for a transition episode,
> and there were some cool surprises, but it was the second purely
> transitional episode
>
I wonder why people keep saying that. They story is progressing. As it
has all the time.
Pete B
says...
> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
Ronald Reagan!?
Good lord *g*
Beowulfie
>
>
>>"Landslide"
>>5-14-07 Heroes
>
>
> Five stars.
>
> I cannot wait for next week!
>
> What did Nathan whisper to Hiro?
>
> Is Hiro a fast learner (George TK was awesome!, or did he slow down
> time around him to learn how to use a sword?
>
> I guess we know how Ando died now.
>
> OMG! OMG! Did you see the promo for the show's website with "Peter"?
>
> And here's the mini-recap from TVwoP:
>
> Peter's hands are glowing, but luckily, he gets control of them, and
> Claire doesn't have to shoot him. Well, THAT was anticlimactic. Hiro's
> sword is still broken, but, luckily, Ando discovers an ancient samurai
> sword repairman in the phone book. Bennet convinces Peter and Ted that
> they have to get out of town and Claire agrees to go with them. Sylar's
> lurking around the corner and it becomes clear that he's stalking them.
> (You guys, I literally went, "What the fuck is HE doing there?" when I
> saw Sylar show up. He's such an ass.) Nathan's worried because he's down
> in the polls. Linderman assures him that his victory is inevitable. As
> long as he lets Peter get blown up. And then Linderman tells him what
> we've all long suspected: Papa Petrelli was a Hero. Nathan's wife wheels
> up and Linderman takes her hand and whammo! She's healed.
>
> Peter overhears Sylar's thoughts and realizes he's following them so Ted
> and Claire and he get off the streets ASAP. Hiro meets up with Nathan en
> route to the Ancient Samurai Sword Repairman and Hiro tells Nathan about
> the future and how he becomes a bad guy but he can become a good guy if
> he helps them stop the bomb. Nathan informs Hiro that he can't stop the
> bomb; no one can. Hiro calls him a birrann. At the Ancient Samurai Sword
> Repairman's shop, Hiro and Ando are greeted by Captain Dale Dye (what?
> it looks like him!) and George Takei, who tells them that they've
> reached the end of their journey. Apparently, Hiro's father has just
> been waiting for Hiro to grow into his power and be worthy of his
> legacy. Now he's going to train his son how to kill. It's like Kill Bill
> only with two short Japanese men and no Uma Thurman.
>
No one seems to be mentioning the eyes in the father's sword. When I
first saw it I thought it was weird and I was glad I happened to record
it. I watched the scene again and went frame by frame and the eyes
didn't look anything like Takei's eyes. I'm wondering if the sword was
magical.
Clifford Blau
I like the fact that, close as they are to their destiny, the various
heroes are working at cross-purposes. If only they could work
together, they'd be able to stop the bomb. And I liked that Claire
wants to become a regular superhero. Did she say she was going to
wear a cape?
But does it bother anyone else that the Heroes powers extend to anyone
they touch? How would that work, exactly, if their powers are
genetically based?
Curse you, Don Tickles, Notary Public!
David Johnston
If it didn't work that way D.L. would have to get naked every time he
phased.
James Gassaway
> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
4.0
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
"Now, quack, damn you!"
Jane
> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
> -George
>
4.75
mar...@earthlink.net
> On May 15, 2:13 am, David B <bothec...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > George Avalos wrote:
> > > 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> > > 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> > > 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
> > > -George
>
>
> Note: I can't post to alt.tv.heroes, feel free to copy this there.
>
> I have a major nitpick with the episode, but first, some
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> OK, this is a science-fiction/science-fantasy series, so suspension of
> disbelief has to be given special care. Richard Donner kept a sign
> around his offices when making the first Superman movie bearing the
> legend "Verisimilitude." In order to allow us to believe the
> fantastic elements, make the non-fantastic ones seem as real as film
> does in this episode when there is no way in hell in the Real World
> that there will be networked computerized voting machines in Manhattan
> in time for the next Congressional elections?!!! Most election wards
> computerized versions that will meet the new federal standards is, as
> these things usually are, a political hairball.
>
> newspaper articles and websites about this controversy. Am I wrong?
>
> off noticed the MARVEL product placement in this ep. Micah gets a
> SILVER SURFER #1, and next week's show will have a FF 2 preview. If
> kring & Co. are stealing from Marvel, the House of Ideas is cool with
> it.
>
> Kevin
I bought Silver Surfer #1 when it was new, intent on keeping it as a
collector's item. But my 3 year old sister thought it was a coloring
book, so that was that.
cloud dreamer
Did she at least stay inside the lines?
;)
--
***We must change the way we live, or the climate will do it for us.***
Anim8rFSK
"mar...@earthlink.net" <mar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I bought Silver Surfer #1 when it was new, intent on keeping it as a
> collector's item. But my 3 year old sister thought it was a coloring
> book, so that was that.
aaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Garondo Marondo
> In article <134ikopp1pnd...@news.supernews.com>,
>
> George Avalos <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"Landslide"
> >5-14-07 Heroes
> >5 stars (11-4-1980)
> >0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
>
> It moved the story along, but not much. As with last week's, a lot of it was
> putting the pieces into place.
Felt like a pretty significant ep to me with 3 characters being killed
two of which had been there almost all year.
Ian Galbraith
> Inv...@lnvalld.com writes:
>>I have to watch it again to catch some stuff since I was distracted last
>>night, but who said Hiro was only there for the day. He can control
>>time...whose to say he didn't go back in time six months and took all
>>that time to learn...or a week or a year. Whose to say his father can't
>
> The Bill and Ted maneuver! I don't like it, but it is an acceptable
> fanwank. *
Or Sulu's power involves fast learning.
--
"Artists and their surrogates who fall into the trap of seeking
recompense for every possible second use end up attacking their own best
audience members for the crime of exalting and enshrining their work." -
Jonathan Lethem
Ian Galbraith
> In article <134ikop...@news.supernews.com>,
> George Avalos <george...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>"Landslide"
>>5-14-07 Heroes
>>5 stars (11-4-1980)
>>0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
> 3.75
> It moved the story along, but not much. As with last week's, a lot of it was
> putting the pieces into place.
It resolved far more than last week.
> Sylar is smart. And Peter is dumb.
Sylar's native ability is to understand how things work ergo he is going
to be far quicker at coming to grips with new powers than Peter. Also the
events last week gave Sylar new impetus to act. Peter is still being
largely reactive.
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which
ones to keep." - Scott Adams
Ian Galbraith
> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
> -George
4.3 Put the pieces in place for the finale and resolved some sub plots as
well.
--
"Oft 'tis startling to reveal, what the murky depths conceal." - Steven
Brust
Garondo Marondo
> On May 15, 2:28 am, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Landslide"
> > 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> > 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> > 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
>
> Everything is coming together perfectly.
I've been trying to avoid most spoilers so I'm only ready posts from
certain reliable posters anyone know if Christopher Eccleston will
turn up in the finale? I recall him being seen in the past when they
showed Peter going boom.
David
<Classic...@gmail.com> wrote:
He's not listed in the credits.
"Jack Coleman, Tawny Cypress, Noah Gray-Cabey, Greg Grunberg, Ali
Larter, Masi Oka, Hayden Panettiere, Adrian Pasdar, Sendhil
Ramamurthy, Leonard Roberts and Milo Ventimiglia also star. Clea
DuVall, Lisa Lackey, James Kyson Lee, Missy Peregrym, Zachary Quinto,
Richard Roundtree, George Takei and Adair Tishler guest-star."
<sniff> You called me reliable.
David B
I probably would've killed her. Not literally of course but jeez. Sorry about
that.
suzee
He's Kensei, I tell you!
sue
David Johnston
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2007 16:37:10 -0000, PV wrote:
>
>> Inv...@lnvalld.com writes:
>>>I have to watch it again to catch some stuff since I was distracted last
>>>night, but who said Hiro was only there for the day. He can control
>>>time...whose to say he didn't go back in time six months and took all
>>>that time to learn...or a week or a year. Whose to say his father can't
>>
>> The Bill and Ted maneuver! I don't like it, but it is an acceptable
>> fanwank. *
>
>Or Sulu's power involves fast learning.
Actually I think Hiro already knew kendo. The training session was
intended to put Hiro into the state of mind where he'd be
psychologically prepared to actually kill someone.
Ian Galbraith
Agreed, plenty happened in this episode including some resolutions, it
wasn't just transitional.
newsgroupjen
> On May 15, 10:06 am, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>
> > Kevrob<kev...@my-deja.com> writes:
> > >can make them. So, pray tell, how am I supposed to believe what Micah
> > >does in this episode when there is no way in hell in the Real World
> > >that there will be networked computerized voting machines in Manhattan
> > >in time for the next Congressional elections?!!! Most election wards
>
>
> > >It's been quite a while since I lived in metro NY, but I've read
> > >newspaper articles and websites about this controversy. Am I wrong?
>
> > I found on a websearch. *
> > --
>
> Are you sure NY went ahead? Seems to me that they haven't executed
> the roll-out, yet. See:http://preview.tinyurl.com/2n5vo7 which
> is...
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/nyregion/08vote.html?_r=1&ref=nyreg...
>
> [quote]
>
> The issue of replacing the state's voting machines has been a thorny
> one over the last few years. New York is the last state to update its
> voting machines, despite a federal mandate requiring it to do so.
>
> [/quote]
>
> I wouldn't place any bets that new HAVA-compliant systems will be
> ready in November `08 in the Empire State.
>
> Kevin
I live in NYC and I was very jarred by the voting machines. We most
definitely don't have computerized machines, we use a manual lever
that ticks and "x" next to each name, and as mentioned, the upgrade
here has been contentious. The election and the explosion in NYC have
been known plot points since the start of the series, so Micah rigging
the election seems like a major plot point to get wrong. It would be
like if they talked about going to the beach by the Pacific Ocean --
sure, I'd still be looking at an ocean on tv so ultimately doesn't
matter that NY is next to the Altantic, but it's completely wrong.
Pete B
cliffo...@yahoo.com says...
> 4.5
>
> I like the fact that, close as they are to their destiny, the various
> heroes are working at cross-purposes. If only they could work
> together, they'd be able to stop the bomb. And I liked that Claire
> wants to become a regular superhero. Did she say she was going to
> wear a cape?
She said she wanted to patrol - pure buffy *g*
Pete B
Classic...@gmail.com says...
> > Everything is coming together perfectly.
>
> I've been trying to avoid most spoilers so I'm only ready posts from
> certain reliable posters anyone know if Christopher Eccleston will
> turn up in the finale? I recall him being seen in the past when they
> showed Peter going boom.
What I read was that he wouldn't be returning anymore this season, but
that Kring would like to have him back next season. So would I.
Also, Peter had two different visions of that day, and "Claude" wasn't
in the first of them.
Mark_R...@hotmail.com
> In article <134ikopp1pnd...@news.supernews.com>, georgeaval...@yahoo.com
> says...
>
> > "Landslide"
> > 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> > 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> > 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
> Ronald Reagan!?
>
> Good lord *g*
He's calling that 5 stars. I wouldn't agree with that, but would
agree that Stalin being appointed General Secretary of Communist Party
could be called 0-1 stars.
What I don't get is why right wingers get to shove their bullshit into
every conversation without being called on it. For instance,
Ubiquitous' signature.
Victor Velazquez
news:45rk5b1uzr83.v...@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:16:07 +0200, Pete B wrote:
>
>> In article <1179247334....@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> him...@animail.net says...
>>> ad for a transition episode,
>>> and there were some cool surprises, but it was the second purely
>>> transitional episode
>>>
>>
>> I wonder why people keep saying that. They story is progressing. As it
>> has all the time.
>
> Agreed, plenty happened in this episode including some resolutions, it
> wasn't just transitional.
People just love to throw around the words, "transitional," "retcon,"
"reboot," and "jumped the shark." When you see any of those words, the odds
are pretty good that the idea being expressed is wonky.
Victor Velazquez
news:MPG.20b45caff...@news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <464a14e2$0$508$815e...@news.qwest.net>, muzi...@yahoo.com
> says...
>> And the sword training montage was lame. I don't think Hiro slowed time
>> to
>> give him a longer training session. They would have mentioned it one way
>> or
>> another. And I don't understand how being good with a sword has any
>> bearing
>> on stopping someone who has telekinesis, among other abilities, before he
>> blows up.
>
> It doesn't its the willingness to kill which makes the difference.
More to the point, it is the willingness to die that gives Hiro the power to
kill.
At least, that's what I picked up from the Kensai story (which one should
not tell their children before bedtime!).
Victor Velazquez
news:1179322953.8...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> What I don't get is why right wingers get to shove their bullshit into
> every conversation without being called on it. For instance,
> Ubiquitous' signature.
Most people probably have him kill-filed but, even so, he does get called on
it pretty often.
Victor Velazquez
news:nsik431gqcil050t6...@4ax.com...
Their powers all seem to be mental (oooEEEEooo) in nature.
Joseph Cadotte
1179322953.8...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
"Mark_R...@hotmail.com" <Mark_R...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think he's referring to the election totals. The Bolsheviks were very
much the minority party and the Man of Steel was the least favorite of them,
so the most disliked of the disliked, I guess.
PV
>Speaking as one of the aforementioned good republicans, I think a lot
>of us feel quite disenfranchised with our party. A true conservative
>is for things like fiscal responsibility, management by fact, and
>minimal government interference in private life. What the neocons
Clearly, both sides are in total agreement there, and that's why I said
"good republicans". They're out there, but they've been massively shut out
of their own party when the pirate ship sailed in 1994.
I think it's pretty clear that america WANTS fiscal conservatism - that's
never been in debate except by the wacko-cuckoo members of *my* party. The
two sides differ on the socal side to some extent (we define 'minimal
government interference' quite differently, for example), but there's
plenty of mutual respect there.
Both sides need to stop looking at state colors, and start looking for
competence. It's the election of incompetent people that has gotten us
into the giant mess we're in. And I'm not just talking about the ones
wearing red, either.
>public morality, management by truthiness, and a hemmorraging budget.
>Centrist Dems are more like Republicans used to be, and current
>Republicans are a weird mix of evangelicals and hawks. I'm having a
>hard time even justifying a vote for Giuliani or McCain, as much as I
>dislike Hilary. In many ways, I'm hoping for an Obama v Romney as it
See - we have the same list of three people we don't want to vote for. I
haven't found any presidential candidate that has really captured my
interest. The non-offensive ones are TOO non-offensive (could John Edwards
be any more plastic?), and much of the rest of the field are disasters
waiting to happen.
>BTW, I'm intesely curious about your sig.
Paste it into google, and slap yourself because you've almost certainly
read where it's from. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
him...@animail.net
> On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:16:07 +0200, Pete B wrote:
> > him...@animail.net says...
> >> ad for a transition episode,
> >> and there were some cool surprises, but it was the second purely
> >> transitional episode
>
> > I wonder why people keep saying that. They story is progressing. As it
> > has all the time.
>
> Agreed, plenty happened in this episode including some resolutions, it
> wasn't just transitional.
>
no single storyline of its own that gets resolved (more or less)
within the 43 minutes it's on, while at the same time progressing the
other overall story arc. This episode did OK as far as the overall
story arc is concerned, but not so well when judged on its own as an
episode. Most Heroes episodes do both...that's a lot of what makes it
a great show.
himiko
PV
>Actually I think Hiro already knew kendo. The training session was
>intended to put Hiro into the state of mind where he'd be
>psychologically prepared to actually kill someone.
Kendo isn't swordfighting - like sport fencing, it's a game with rules that
sorta-kinda resemble how real edged weapons are used. If I remember right,
Kendo is performed using rattan swords - sure you'd develop lots of
strength from practicing it, but I wonder how much of it will directly
translate into handling a real blade, which would weigh much more.
I'm going to accept it on artistic license grounds, but it's a bit dicey. *
muzicmakr
"Victor Velazquez" <vict...@notnow.com> wrote in message
news:-P2dndWPcJbyj9bb...@comcast.com...
I suppose. I took the training as a metaphor for teaching him to "man up"
and do what had to be done. Knowing what he knew about Sylar, he was a
major wimp for not doing it.
But, I didn't see the story as having to do with Hiro's hesitation. There's
no evidence that Hiro couldn't kill Sylar during a fight, if he had the
opportunity, whether or not his own life was in jeopardy. His trouble was
in killing Sylar in cold blood, when he'd frozen time. Given that that's
the most likely way Hiro will be able to get close enough to Sylar to
actually kill him, the fighting and whatnot seems useless to me.
Anim8rFSK
"Victor Velazquez" <vict...@notnow.com> wrote:
And you just used them all! :)
William George Ferguson
Hmm, so Janice Parkman and Charles Deveaux are in the ep? (actually,
Roundtree was in one of the trailers). Tawny Cypress (Simone) may just be
in the regular cast credits and thus show up on the list, whether or not
she's in the episode (that happens with both tv.com and imdb on occasion).
IMDB does also list Christine Rose (Mama Petrelli) and she's shown in at
least one of the trailers.
--
"Oh Buffy, you really do need to have
every square inch of your ass kicked."
- Willow Rosenberg
Mark_R...@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com" <Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 15, 6:16 pm, Pete B <xxxh@_someething.com> wrote:
> >> In article <134ikopp1pnd...@news.supernews.com>, georgeaval...@yahoo.com
> >> says...
>
> >>> "Landslide"
> >>> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> >>> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> >>> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
>
> >> Ronald Reagan!?
>
> >> Good lord *g*
>
> > He's calling that 5 stars. I wouldn't agree with that, but would
> > agree that Stalin being appointed General Secretary of Communist Party
> > could be called 0-1 stars.
>
> > What I don't get is why right wingers get to shove their bullshit into
> > every conversation without being called on it. For instance,
> > Ubiquitous' signature.
>
> I think he's referring to the election totals. The Bolsheviks were very
> much the minority party and the Man of Steel was the least favorite of them,
> so the most disliked of the disliked, I guess.
Well, that actually is on topic for a star rating system, though I
think he might have found a better landslide for the 5 star than the
1980 election.
The 1936 election, for instance, when FDR beat Alf Landon 60.8% to
36.5% in the popular vote and 523 to 8 in electoral votes. LBJ got
61.1% in 1964, but Goldwater got 38.5% so the margin was smaller in
the popular vote, never mind the less overwhelming 486 to 52 spread in
electoral votes.
Brian Henderson
<cliffo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>And I liked that Claire
>wants to become a regular superhero. Did she say she was going to
>wear a cape?
No, Ted just said he wouldn't want to wear one.
Mark Nobles
I'm not sure how reliable this list is. It includes Simone and doesn't
include either Mrs. Petrelli.
David Johnston
>David Johnston <da...@block.net> writes:
>>Actually I think Hiro already knew kendo. The training session was
>>intended to put Hiro into the state of mind where he'd be
>>psychologically prepared to actually kill someone.
>
>Kendo isn't swordfighting - like sport fencing, it's a game with rules that
>sorta-kinda resemble how real edged weapons are used. If I remember right,
>Kendo is performed using rattan swords - sure you'd develop lots of
>strength from practicing it, but I wonder how much of it will directly
>translate into handling a real blade, which would weigh much more.
No, not really. Steel is denser, but the rattan swords are thicker.
No 33 Secretary
news:mnem43996cphdovv1...@4ax.com:
From what I recall, in fact, the rattan swords are sized to make
them a similar weight, for that reason. Plus, the bigger it is, the
less the force of a strike is concentrated, so you can whack
somebody at full strength without actually hurting them.
(But it is, as noted, a sport, not a martial art.)
--
"What is the first law?"
"To Protect."
"And the second?"
"Ourselves."
Terry Austin
Pete B
Mark_R...@hotmail.com says...
> On May 15, 6:16 pm, Pete B <xxxh@_someething.com> wrote:
> > In article <134ikopp1pnd...@news.supernews.com>, georgeaval...@yahoo.com
> > says...
> >
> > > "Landslide"
> > > 5-14-07 Heroes
> >
> > > 5 stars (11-4-1980)
> >
> > > 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
> >
> > Ronald Reagan!?
> >
> > Good lord *g*
>
> He's calling that 5 stars.
I wasn't voting 5 stars btw :)
Pete B
> "Landslide"
> 5-14-07 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (11-4-1980)
>
> 0-1 stars (4-3-1922)
3
Pete B
vict...@notnow.com says...
Might I point out we have already seen the shark.
Pete B
~consul
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 16:37:10 -0000, PV wrote:
>> Inv...@lnvalld.com writes:
>>> I have to watch it again to catch some stuff since I was distracted last
>>> night, but who said Hiro was only there for the day. He can control
>>> time...whose to say he didn't go back in time six months and took all
>>> that time to learn...or a week or a year. Whose to say his father can't
>> The Bill and Ted maneuver! I don't like it, but it is an acceptable
>> fanwank. *
> Or Sulu's power involves fast learning.
Fast Teaching, you mean. :_)
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, Jameson Stalanthas Yu -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
Pete B
says...
> >Republicans are a weird mix of evangelicals and hawks. I'm having a
> >hard time even justifying a vote for Giuliani or McCain, as much as I
> >dislike Hilary. In many ways, I'm hoping for an Obama v Romney as it
>
> See - we have the same list of three people we don't want to vote for. I
> haven't found any presidential candidate that has really captured my
> interest.
Vote Petrelli!
Pete B
BrianL.H...@NOSPAM.verizon.net says...
And now he won't have to ;)
Kevrob
> On May 15, 3:23 pm,Kevrob<kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 10:06 am, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>
> > >Kevrob<kev...@my-deja.com> writes:
> > > >can make them. So, pray tell, how am I supposed to believe what Micah
> > > >does in this episode when there is no way in hell in the Real World
> > > >that there will be networked computerized voting machines in Manhattan
> > > >in time for the next Congressional elections?!!! Most election wards
>
> > > It already happened.
>
> > > >It's been quite a while since I lived in metro NY, but I've read
> > > >newspaper articles and websites about this controversy. Am I wrong?
>
> > > They were rolled out for the November, 2006 elections according to articles
> > > I found on a websearch. *
> > > --
>
> > Are you sure NY went ahead? Seems to me that they haven't executed
> > the roll-out, yet. See:http://preview.tinyurl.com/2n5vo7which
> > is...
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/nyregion/08vote.html?_r=1&ref=nyreg...
>
> > [quote]
>
> > The issue of replacing the state's voting machines has been a thorny
> > one over the last few years. New York is the last state to update its
> > voting machines, despite a federal mandate requiring it to do so.
>
> > [/quote]
>
> > I wouldn't place any bets that new HAVA-compliant systems will be
> > ready in November `08 in the Empire State.
>
> > Kevin
>
> I live in NYC and I was very jarred by the voting machines. We most
> definitely don't have computerized machines, we use a manual lever
> that ticks and "x" next to each name, and as mentioned, the upgrade
> here has been contentious. The election and the explosion in NYC have
> been known plot points since the start of the series, so Micah rigging
> the election seems like a major plot point to get wrong. It would be
> like if they talked about going to the beach by the Pacific Ocean --
> sure, I'd still be looking at an ocean on tv so ultimately doesn't
> matter that NY is next to the Altantic, but it's completely wrong.
Thought so. I haven't lived in metro NY since the 1970s, but I still
keep up with goings-on there. I still have family in the city and out
on Long Island. I still follow my favorite NY sports teams (Mets,
Giants, Islanders and those gorram-awful Knicks), so in this webified
age I regularly read the Gotham sports pages online. I'm also a
politics junkie, so articles on politics of the region often catch my
eye. That's why I was aware of the NY election machine flap. I'm not
even especially cranky about computerized balloting, though I have to
admit that I find the paper ballots we use in my ward perfectly
acceptable. (They are counted by optical character reader. The voter
completes an arrow next to the candidate's name by drawing a line with
a pencil. No chads. If the computers break down or are corrupted,
the ballots can be hand counted. If you "overvote" [double-vote an
office], the OCR rejects your ballot, the election workers destroy it,
and you try again.)
How professional writers could be unaware that New York State, however
wisely, has been dragging its feet over HAVA-compliance baffles me. A
tossed-off line by someone at the Petrelli campaign HQ about how the
new machines would affect voter turnout would have sufficed to quell
my verisimilitude-break. Muscling the new system into place over the
objections of those who fear they can be hacked could even have been
part of Lindermann's Evil Plan. Maybe they wrote something like that,
but it didn't survive the editing process.
Kevin
PV
>> See - we have the same list of three people we don't want to vote for. I
>> haven't found any presidential candidate that has really captured my
>> interest.
>
>Vote Petrelli!
Ok, make that FOUR candidates I won't vote for. *
E Brown
<con...@INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote:
>and thus Ubiquitous inscribed ...
>> While hanging out with Micah, Candice reveals that Linderman's going to
>> heal the world. Micah's not buying what she's selling. Linderman shows
>
>Candice is also evidently fat, and she makes an image for herself that is always 'on'.
Yeah, I liked that throwaway line ("I've got a cousin that eats
like you and he's huge." "So am I."). Candice also isn't white, going
by her later comments - she's essentially a little ball of
self-loathing, which sucks. I'd been looking forward to Sylar killing
her, and now she's no longer just plain evil.
epbrown
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