Proof of white supremacy in the WH : "Edelweiss" is a Nazi theme song

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

TomS wrote:
>Are these people REALLY this stupid?
>https://pluralist.com/maggie-haberman-edelweiss-nazi/

Well. The Sound of Music is aired every year during the holidays.

[RichA]

So, someone played a song in a TV show fiction about an alternate Nazi universe and this uneducated reporter took it to be a Nazi theme? Nice to see where they get their insights from. Next week, reporter tells everyone to stay inside on Halloween because "zombies" (that she saw on "The Walking Dead") where running in the streets...

[The Horny Goat]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:16:25 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
wrote:

My mother once got terribly upset when she walked in on our kids
playing video games (it was SimAnt which involves killing ants in
large numbers) to a degree that suggested to her that my kids were
getting horribly warped. I pointed out to her that they had a very
clear understanding that their games were not reality and reminded her
how they treated our dog and cat (both of whom lived long and happy
lives.and were generally spoiled rotten)

[trotsky]

On 4/19/2019 3:16 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Friday, 19 April 2019 16:04:29 UTC-4, bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> TomS wrote:
>>> Are these people REALLY this stupid?
>>> https://pluralist.com/maggie-haberman-edelweiss-nazi/
>>
>> Well. The Sound of Music is aired every year during the holidays.
>
> So, someone played a song in a TV show fiction

Are you speaking English?

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[Rhino]

One other consideration is that Edelweiss is NOT a traditional German or
Austrian song - or even the Austrian national anthem as some believe! -
let alone an old Nazi song. It was written expressly for The Sound of
Music in 1959 long after Hitler was dead. Wikipedia has an interesting
article on it which I read several months back when I was curious to
know about the song:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelweiss_(song)

It was written to *sound* like a traditional folk song to showcase the
folk-singing talents of the original Captain Von Trapp (Theodore Bikel).

The song is, of course, based on the flower called the edelweiss which
grows high in the Alps but neither flowers or mountains are "a Nazi
thing": both were there long before Hitler ever drew breath and will
outlast him by several eternities.

The only connection between "Edelweiss" and the Nazis is that mountain
troops in the German Army did challenge themselves to climb high enough
in the mountains to pluck an actual edelweiss flower - which only grows
at high altitudes - to prove themselves special but the Austrian Army
apparently did the same. It's not clear from the Wikipedia article if
this tradition predates the Nazis or continues afterwards. If they were
doing it decades before Hitler assumed power, it can hardly be "a Nazi
thing".

One final point: Rogers and Hammerstein, who wrote Edelweiss, both had
Jewish ancestry. Does it really seem likely that they would do anything
to glorify Nazism? It's not like WW II was "ancient history" when they
were writing The Sound of Music!


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[The Horny Goat]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:01:18 -0400, Rhino
<no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:

>The only connection between "Edelweiss" and the Nazis is that mountain
>troops in the German Army did challenge themselves to climb high enough
>in the mountains to pluck an actual edelweiss flower - which only grows
>at high altitudes - to prove themselves special but the Austrian Army
>apparently did the same. It's not clear from the Wikipedia article if
>this tradition predates the Nazis or continues afterwards. If they were
>doing it decades before Hitler assumed power, it can hardly be "a Nazi
>thing".
>
>One final point: Rogers and Hammerstein, who wrote Edelweiss, both had
>Jewish ancestry. Does it really seem likely that they would do anything
>to glorify Nazism? It's not like WW II was "ancient history" when they
>were writing The Sound of Music!

"Tomorrow belongs to me" from Cabaret is also commonly thought to be a
Nazi song (being used in the 2nd season finale of The Man in the High
Castle didn't help) but also has a Jewish author. (Turns out the kid
who sang it in Cabaret was an actor from Munich who was 15 when he
did it and it's his only IMDB credit)

von Trapp was the top Austrian WW1 submarine ace so it's easy to see
why the German navy wanted him after the Anschluss. In one of the
great ironies of history the von Trapps settled in Vermont and were
fairly close neighbours of Alexander Solzhenitsyn when he lived in
Vermont in the 70s-90s.

The youngest of the von Trapp girls died 2 or 3 years ago and always
had good things to say about Julie Andrews and the rest of the Sound
of Music cast.

[Ubiquitous]

no_offlin...@example.com wrote:
>On 2019-04-20 4:29 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, 19 April 2019 16:04:29 UTC-4, bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> TomS wrote:

>>>>> Are these people REALLY this stupid?
>>>>> https://pluralist.com/maggie-haberman-edelweiss-nazi/
>>>>
>>>> Well. The Sound of Music is aired every year during the holidays.
>>>
>>> So, someone played a song in a TV show fiction about an alternate Nazi universe and this uneducated reporter took it to be a Nazi theme? Nice to see where they get their insights from. Next week, reporter tells
>>

And here's where FPP will claim that being Jewish doesn't preuclude one
from being a Nazi or glorifying it.
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[moviePig]

On 4/20/2019 12:28 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:01:18 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> The only connection between "Edelweiss" and the Nazis is that mountain
>> troops in the German Army did challenge themselves to climb high enough
>> in the mountains to pluck an actual edelweiss flower - which only grows
>> at high altitudes - to prove themselves special but the Austrian Army
>> apparently did the same. It's not clear from the Wikipedia article if
>> this tradition predates the Nazis or continues afterwards. If they were
>> doing it decades before Hitler assumed power, it can hardly be "a Nazi
>> thing".
>>
>> One final point: Rogers and Hammerstein, who wrote Edelweiss, both had
>> Jewish ancestry. Does it really seem likely that they would do anything
>> to glorify Nazism? It's not like WW II was "ancient history" when they
>> were writing The Sound of Music!
>
> "Tomorrow belongs to me" from Cabaret is also commonly thought to be a
> Nazi song (being used in the 2nd season finale of The Man in the High
> Castle didn't help) but also has a Jewish author. (Turns out the kid
> who sang it in Cabaret was an actor from Munich who was 15 when he
> did it and it's his only IMDB credit)
>

> ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lambert_(American_actor)


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[Rhino]

Being illogical and hypocritical is his primary modus operandi so that
wouldn't remotely surprise me.

I defy anyone to find the pro-Nazi message in these lyrics:

========================================================================
The Captain:

Edelweiss, edelweiss
Ev'ry morning you greet me
Small and white
Clean and bright
You look happy to meet me

Blossom of snow
May you bloom and grow
Bloom and grow forever
Edelweiss, edelweiss
Bless my homeland forever

The Captain, Maria, and Children:

Small and white
Clean and bright
You look happy to meet me

Blossom of snow
May you bloom and grow
Bloom and grow forever
Edelweiss, edelweiss
Bless my homeland forever
========================================================================

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[mog...@hotmail.com]

What a strange twist.

[Ubiquitous]

no_offlin...@example.com wrote:
>On 2019-04-20 1:00 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> no_offlin...@example.com wrote:
>>> On 2019-04-20 4:29 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, 19 April 2019 16:04:29 UTC-4, bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> TomS wrote:

>>>>>>> Are these people REALLY this stupid?
>>>>>>> https://pluralist.com/maggie-haberman-edelweiss-nazi/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well. The Sound of Music is aired every year during the holidays.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, someone played a song in a TV show fiction about an alternate Nazi
>>>>> universe and this uneducated reporter took it to be a Nazi theme?
>>>>> Nice to see where they get their insights from. Next week, reporter
>>>>> tell
>>>>

Touche!

>I defy anyone to find the pro-Nazi message in these lyrics:
>
>========================================================================
>The Captain:
>
>Edelweiss, edelweiss
>Ev'ry morning you greet me
>Small and white
>Clean and bright
>You look happy to meet me
>
>Blossom of snow
>May you bloom and grow
>Bloom and grow forever
>Edelweiss, edelweiss
>Bless my homeland forever
>
>The Captain, Maria, and Children:
>
>Small and white
>Clean and bright
>You look happy to meet me
>
>Blossom of snow
>May you bloom and grow
>Bloom and grow forever
>Edelweiss, edelweiss
>Bless my homeland forever

What song is that?

Isn't this Eidelweis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-dyzKKz6sM

[Ubiquitous]

bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:

>Are these people REALLY this stupid?
>https://pluralist.com/maggie-haberman-edelweiss-nazi/

How the hell can someone think this is a Nazi theme song?

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, April 20, 2019 at 10:52:40 PM UTC-4, Ubiquitous wrote:
> bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >Are these people REALLY this stupid?
> >https://pluralist.com/maggie-haberman-edelweiss-nazi/
>
> How the hell can someone think this is a Nazi theme song?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-dyzKKz6sM

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* * *How the hell can Ubi-NoBody doctor the post and leave the OP TomS out (from rec.sport.golf) ?

[Adam H. Kerman]

Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:

Actually, Ubi, you fuckhead, you cut the correct attribution out.
Nothing quoted was said by the stupid seamussock. How the hell can you
believe a stupid seamussock would write that?

>>Are these people REALLY this stupid?
>>https://pluralist.com/maggie-haberman-edelweiss-nazi/

>How the hell can someone think this is a Nazi theme song?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-dyzKKz6sM

How the hell can Ubi think that's the song in question?

[Adam H. Kerman]

It's particularly poignant as it's the last song Oscar Hammerstein ever
wrote. He died shortly after The Sound of Music opened on Broadway.

>. . .

[Adam H. Kerman]

The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:01:18 -0400, Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com>:

>>The only connection between "Edelweiss" and the Nazis is that mountain
>>troops in the German Army did challenge themselves to climb high enough
>>in the mountains to pluck an actual edelweiss flower - which only grows
>>at high altitudes - to prove themselves special but the Austrian Army
>>apparently did the same. It's not clear from the Wikipedia article if
>>this tradition predates the Nazis or continues afterwards. If they were
>>doing it decades before Hitler assumed power, it can hardly be "a Nazi
>>thing".

>>One final point: Rogers and Hammerstein, who wrote Edelweiss, both had
>>Jewish ancestry. Does it really seem likely that they would do anything
>>to glorify Nazism? It's not like WW II was "ancient history" when they
>>were writing The Sound of Music!

>"Tomorrow belongs to me" from Cabaret is also commonly thought to be a
>Nazi song (being used in the 2nd season finale of The Man in the High
>Castle didn't help) but also has a Jewish author. (Turns out the kid
>who sang it in Cabaret was an actor from Munich who was 15 when he
>did it and it's his only IMDB credit)

It's fictional, but it's clearly intended to be a Nazi youth anthem. It
illustrates the seduction of the German people by false promises.

Both composer John Kander and lyricist Fred Ebb were Jewish. btw, Kander
is still alive, now that I've looked it up.

>. . .

[Adam H. Kerman]

Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:

>Isn't this Eidelweis?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-dyzKKz6sM

Ubi follows up with the very same troll twice in this thread, truly
working his way up the ladder to become Usenet's Biggest Fuckhead.

[mog...@hotmail.com]

web...@polaris.net, “Ubiquitous” wrote:
>
> ...

>Isn't this Eidelweis?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-dyzKKz6sM

Can´t you spell?

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 20:06:22 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:

>>"Tomorrow belongs to me" from Cabaret is also commonly thought to be a
>>Nazi song (being used in the 2nd season finale of The Man in the High
>>Castle didn't help) but also has a Jewish author. (Turns out the kid
>>who sang it in Cabaret was an actor from Munich who was 15 when he
>>did it and it's his only IMDB credit)
>
>It's fictional, but it's clearly intended to be a Nazi youth anthem. It
>illustrates the seduction of the German people by false promises.
>
>Both composer John Kander and lyricist Fred Ebb were Jewish. btw, Kander
>is still alive, now that I've looked it up.
>
>>. . .

Glad to hear it - CBC radio did a piece on him 3-4 years ago where he
explained what the song was supposed to be about which was what you
call 'the seduction of the German people'.

[Ubiquitous]

It's based on the traditional song, Eidelweiss.

[Rhino]

Try this one, which is the part of the movie where Captain von Trapp
actually sings it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMuTDdWXbNo

*Your* link is to a BAND named Edelweiss:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelweiss_(band)

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[Adam H. Kerman]

Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>a...@chinet.com wrote:
>>Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>Are these people REALLY this stupid?
>>>>https://pluralist.com/maggie-haberman-edelweiss-nazi/

>>>How the hell can someone think this is a Nazi theme song?
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-dyzKKz6sM

>>How the hell can Ubi think that's the song in question?

>It's based on the traditional song, Eidelweiss.

Ubi, you're still making an ass of yourself.

For the 27th time in this thread, while it was intended to sound like
folk music, "Edelweiss" was in fact written for The Sound of Music by
two Jewish songwriters, Richard Rogers and Oscar Hammerstein. It was also
the final showtune Hammerstein wrote, as he died shortly after the show
opened on Broadway.

It was not a Nazi song. As rhino reminded us, it was written to give
Captain von Trapp a song to express his feelings for his homeland and
therefore express disgust at the Nazi German's annexation of Austria.
Theodore Bikel, who originated the character on Broadway, could play the
guitar, so they had the Captain accompany himself while singing it.

Read the whole thread and you'll understand. Stop repeating false
statements that you've already been corrected on multiple times.

Shut the fuck up, Ubi.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Christopher Plummer played Captain von Trapp in the movie. His singing
voice was dubbed by Bill Lee, who did a remarkable job matching
Plummer's speaking voice.

I'm guessing that Plummer isn't playing guitar either.

Here's a very nice segment from NPR Weekend Edition in which it's
explained. It includes a previously unaired portion of an interview with
Plummer talking about being dubbed, and clips of other examples of Lee's
singing in movies.

The Unsung Overdub Star In 'Sound Of Music'
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/24/165806779/the-unsung-overdub-star-in-sound-of-music

Here's a very brief clip of an interview with Theodore Bikel together
with a studio recording of him singing "Edelweiss" with a small
orchestra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnsCjkYUjbs

In these two clips, Bikel is singing to a small audience. The sound is
unacceptable in both of them. In the first one, Bikel is accompanying
himself on guitar, but it's miked dreadfully. Somehow the guitar playing
sounds out of tune with his voice and it picks up idiots in the audience
who just have to talk over the performer and can't shut the fuck up till
he's done, which is rude as hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoaGiftU_z4

In this one, he's accompanied by a piano. He's playing the guitar but
it's miked in such a way that you can barely hear it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR7pKZ3PmBY

>*Your* link is to a BAND named Edelweiss:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelweiss_(band)

Meet Ubi. He's either a decent guy, or he's an asshole whose trolling
schtick is to deny that he's familiar with tv, movies, theater, and
musicals in any way, deliberately posting, reposting, and reposting
false information as he's been doing here.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

>. . .

>Here's a very brief clip of an interview with Theodore Bikel together
>with a studio recording of him singing "Edelweiss" with a small
>orchestra.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnsCjkYUjbs

Here's a longer clip from the same interview which finishes with a funny
story about nuns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDuFuetUsiI

>. . .