The West Wing: "Galileo" Thoughts
Sarah
of The West Wing I loved and almost obsessed over last season. With the
exception of the second episode, all of them were fine, but the
adrenaline that the show used to give me, had really disappeared. There
were hints, but this week, I finally felt we were back on track.
The probe - These sort of things always bring out the best in Bartlet if
you ask me. He gets like a five year old child expecting a present and
he's almost impossible in his excitement and he won't rest until
everyone is on the bandwagon. I also liked the beginning with Sam and
the intro writer, sort of ridiculous for anyone to be the least bit
confident of their writing when the President's speech writer wants to
polish it up, in other words, re-write it :) I also enjoyed the
President's torture in going to the Kennedy Center.
The green beans - Obviously a little joke on Bush, but I loved what
Charlie said. He of course, had a point. This is not an insult to those
that grow green beans, it is an insult perhaps to the actual green
beans, but I don't hear them complaining.
Sam and Mallory - Okay, last season, I was no huge fan of Sam's
adventures into romance, but this week, I enjoyed it. Especially as he
rambled off to Toby about what had not happened since the photo to which
Toby lammented the wasted twenty seconds. This time, I actually saw a
bit of chemistry between him and Mallory.
The missile silo - possible the best lines of the night came from the
Russian ambassador, with Leo and then Bartlet. Flirting with Leo??!!!
Well, blow me down! Sorry about his divorce my foot! :) Oh and then
Bartlet's line about her being sexier during the regime. But possibly
the most telling line, was her's about the long winter. Too true.
CJ - Okay, that guy was a major, major creep. Implying improper and
personal conduct and then asking if she will do it so he can get the
job. Good grief!
Definitely a high 8 episode. I enjoyed it a bunch.
Comments?
sarah
hamilton
and just imagine George W handling the missile silo crisis -- you think he
would have known what most people knew instantly -- that draining the
hydrogen meant a theft was underway?
jprhedd
D.F. Manno
<hamilton-301...@host-209-214-112-147.bna.bellsouth.net>,
hami...@dnvln.com (hamilton) wrote:
> and just imagine George W handling the missile silo crisis -- you think he
> would have known what most people knew instantly -- that draining the
> hydrogen meant a theft was underway?
As much as I like TWW and Sheen's portrayal, I don't think Bartlet would
know that before the fact; I'm sure the national security briefing on
the fire covered that point.
--
D.F. Manno
domm...@netscape.net
"If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane." ‹ Jimmy Buffett
tri...@my-deja.com
Excellent episode except for Sam's Galileo speech where he uses "me"
rather than "I." Not a mistake that character should make.
Doug
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Before you buy.
Jerry
Sarah, thanks for your comments on the episode; I agree it was a "high
8 episode" - at least.
I've missed a few, tho. What was he photo that Sam was talking about?
Who was the guy who was so unpleasant with CJ? Apparently they'd shared
a bed together?
Maybe they tried some new camera angles in this episode, because, I
can't remember another in which CJ seemed so huge. At several points
she was literally towering over the others!
I wonder if Geo Bush lost to Clinton in '92 because he let it be known
that brocolli would no longer be served at WH meals!!
Jerry
>
> Comments?
>
> sarah
hamilton
Manno" <domm...@netscape.net> wrote:
> In article
> <hamilton-301...@host-209-214-112-147.bna.bellsouth.net>,
> hami...@dnvln.com (hamilton) wrote:
>
> > and just imagine George W handling the missile silo crisis -- you think he
> > would have known what most people knew instantly -- that draining the
> > hydrogen meant a theft was underway?
>
> As much as I like TWW and Sheen's portrayal, I don't think Bartlet would
> know that before the fact; I'm sure the national security briefing on
> the fire covered that point.
it was the first thing I thought of when they mentioned it. and Bartlet
is portrayed as being particularly well educated and smart -- quick on the
uptake.
What's next?
Dwayne Allen Day
:> > and just imagine George W handling the missile silo crisis -- you think he
:> > would have known what most people knew instantly -- that draining the
:> > hydrogen meant a theft was underway?
:>
:> As much as I like TWW and Sheen's portrayal, I don't think Bartlet would
:> know that before the fact; I'm sure the national security briefing on
:> the fire covered that point.
: it was the first thing I thought of when they mentioned it. and Bartlet
: is portrayed as being particularly well educated and smart -- quick on the
: uptake.
Except that it's bogus--all you need to do to take a warhead off a missile
is lift it off with a crane, not drain the tanks. Yeah, there might be
certain safety precautions, but the bad guys don't have to follow them.
D
Naomi Gayle Rivkis
>I've missed a few, tho. What was he photo that Sam was talking about?
The picture a London tabloid snapped last year of Sam hugging Laurie
outside her friend's apartment the night she graduated law school.
>Who was the guy who was so unpleasant with CJ? Apparently they'd shared
>a bed together?
For six weeks, it seems, five years ago. This is the first we've seen
of him.
>Maybe they tried some new camera angles in this episode, because, I
>can't remember another in which CJ seemed so huge. At several points
>she was literally towering over the others!
She was wearing heels for the concert; I don't know about earlier.
>I wonder if Geo Bush lost to Clinton in '92 because he let it be known
>that brocolli would no longer be served at WH meals!!
I liked P.J. O'Rourke's explanation. More than a year before the '92
election he wrote that the only way Bush could get defeated would be
to get caught in bed with a naked American busines depression. He did
and he was.
>Jerry
-Naomi
Lynn
>
>I've missed a few, tho. What was he photo that Sam was talking about?
>a bed together?
In the very first episode, Sam picks up a [girl/gal/lady/woman/chick] in a
bar (actually, she picked him up), and because of a beeper mix-up, found out
the next day that she was a high-priced call girl. Josh, Toby and CJ told
him to back off, but they became friends over the course of the season. She
was a law student, and when graduation came around, Toby told Sam he
couldn't attend. A friend of hers arranged for them to meet later, and also
arranged for a tabloid to be nearby. They snapped a photo and circulated it
around the tabloid press.
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Forge
> >Maybe they tried some new camera angles in this episode, because, I
> >can't remember another in which CJ seemed so huge. At several points
> >she was literally towering over the others!
>
> She was wearing heels for the concert; I don't know about earlier.
CJ's a tall woman; her Secret Service codename is Flamingo, presumably
because of her long legs.
I'm not sure but I think most of the guys on the show are no taller than
average, either. Josh and Leo look average and everybody else is pretty
short.
mizsca...@my-deja.com
Forge <fo...@spammersmustdie.mpinet.net> wrote:
> average, either. Josh and Leo look average and everybody else is
pretty
> short.
Brad Whitford campaigned in Albuquerque for the Dems the Sunday before
the election, and when I got up close (he signed posters for anyone who
asked) I realized he's a tall guy--my estimate would be 6'1".
Or is that considered average these days?
Forge
> Brad Whitford campaigned in Albuquerque for the Dems the Sunday before
> the election, and when I got up close (he signed posters for anyone who
> asked) I realized he's a tall guy--my estimate would be 6'1".
>
> Or is that considered average these days?
Nope, that's pretty tall. I think the average for men is my height,
5'10".
Tom Betz
Quoth Dwayne Allen Day <wayn...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> in <_6PV5.771$hm.1...@grover.nit.gwu.edu>:
Moreover, SS-19s don't use liquid hydrogen as a propellant.
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Tom Betz
Quoth tri...@my-deja.com in <9085dq$18s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
|
|Excellent episode except for Sam's Galileo speech where he uses "me"
|rather than "I." Not a mistake that character should make.
Context? I think you may be wrong on that.
Brian Thorn
wrote:
>and just imagine George W handling the missile silo crisis -- you think he
>would have known what most people knew instantly -- that draining the
>hydrogen meant a theft was underway?
Unlikely, since no operational ICBM has ever used liquid hydrogen and
undoubtedly none ever will. I presume the writers meant to refer to
*hydrazine* not *hydrogen*. Variations of hydrazine have been used in
ICBMs in both the US and Russia. Liquid Hydrogen is limited to space
launch vehicles because it is very difficult to store for long periods
of time, making it impractical for fast-reaction launch that an ICBM
demands.
It isn't clear that draining hydrazine propellant would be needed
before someone could remove a warhead (it would be advisable, though,
but since when do thiefs care about safety?) Draining fuel does not
imply a warhead theft is in progress, and a warhead theft would not
necessarily require draining the fuel.
All US ICBMs are now powered by solid fuels, but I was hoping some
mention would be made (when Leo said "we know how to handle these
kinds of things") that we actually did have an ICBM silo explosion in
Arkansas in the 70s, when a (now-retired) Titan II ICBM went kablooey.
An outstanding episode, just the same. Too bad no one in the
government stood up for space exploration like that after Mars Polar
Lander vanished last year.
Brian
Lynn
>>
>> She was wearing heels for the concert; I don't know about earlier.
>>
>
>CJ's a tall woman; her Secret Service codename is Flamingo, presumably
>because of her long legs.
Janney's six-foot tall. I heard her say it on a Regis, once.
dan_lev...@my-deja.com
> The green beans - Obviously a little joke on Bush, but I loved what
> Charlie said. He of course, had a point.
TWW should watch out that everything Charlie says is not a pearl of
wisdom. There is a tendency in that direction: love advice to Danny,
the "teacher corps," the green beans etc. It gets a bit precious.
> Definitely a high 8 episode. I enjoyed it a bunch.
Agreed it was a fantastic episode. Only what is a "high 8"? sounds
like what Martian sports fans do. Is that what the probe would
discover?
Barry Margolin
wrote:
> > The green beans - Obviously a little joke on Bush, but I loved what
> > Charlie said. He of course, had a point.
>
> TWW should watch out that everything Charlie says is not a pearl of
> wisdom. There is a tendency in that direction: love advice to Danny,
> the "teacher corps," the green beans etc. It gets a bit precious.
The way they're playing it, it looks like the only one who can beat
Charlie at the "pearls of wisdom" game is Bartlett.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Genuity, Burlington, MA
Connie
Nuff said- It was the best episode in 3 weeks.
CD
Jerry wrote:
>
> In article <3A2715...@juno.com>,
> Sarah <sarah...@juno.com> wrote:
> > It took five episodes, but there was *finally* an episode that
> reminded
> > of The West Wing I loved and almost obsessed over last season. With
> the
> > exception of the second episode, all of them were fine, but the
> > adrenaline that the show used to give me, had really disappeared.
> There
> > were hints, but this week, I finally felt we were back on track.
> >
> > The probe - These sort of things always bring out the best in Bartlet
> if
> > you ask me. He gets like a five year old child expecting a present and
> > he's almost impossible in his excitement and he won't rest until
> > everyone is on the bandwagon. I also liked the beginning with Sam and
> > the intro writer, sort of ridiculous for anyone to be the least bit
> > confident of their writing when the President's speech writer wants to
> > polish it up, in other words, re-write it :) I also enjoyed the
> > President's torture in going to the Kennedy Center.
> >
> > The green beans - Obviously a little joke on Bush, but I loved what
> > Charlie said. He of course, had a point. This is not an insult to
> those
> > that grow green beans, it is an insult perhaps to the actual green
> > beans, but I don't hear them complaining.
> >
> > Sam and Mallory - Okay, last season, I was no huge fan of Sam's
> > adventures into romance, but this week, I enjoyed it. Especially as he
> > rambled off to Toby about what had not happened since the photo to
> which
> > Toby lammented the wasted twenty seconds. This time, I actually saw a
> > bit of chemistry between him and Mallory.
> >
> > The missile silo - possible the best lines of the night came from the
> > Russian ambassador, with Leo and then Bartlet. Flirting with Leo??!!!
> > Well, blow me down! Sorry about his divorce my foot! :) Oh and then
> > Bartlet's line about her being sexier during the regime. But possibly
> > the most telling line, was her's about the long winter. Too true.
> >
> > CJ - Okay, that guy was a major, major creep. Implying improper and
> > personal conduct and then asking if she will do it so he can get the
> > job. Good grief!
> >
> > Definitely a high 8 episode. I enjoyed it a bunch.
>
> Sarah, thanks for your comments on the episode; I agree it was a "high
> 8 episode" - at least.
>
> I've missed a few, tho. What was he photo that Sam was talking about?
> Who was the guy who was so unpleasant with CJ? Apparently they'd shared
> a bed together?
>
> Maybe they tried some new camera angles in this episode, because, I
> can't remember another in which CJ seemed so huge. At several points
> she was literally towering over the others!
>
> I wonder if Geo Bush lost to Clinton in '92 because he let it be known
> that brocolli would no longer be served at WH meals!!
>
> Jerry
>
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > sarah
Tom Betz
Quoth "Lynn" <rameses...@postmark.net> in <ZlYV5.714$IB6.1...@den-news1.rmi.net>:
|>nri...@concentric.net says...
|>>
|>> She was wearing heels for the concert; I don't know about earlier.
|>>
|Forge wrote in message ...
|>
|>CJ's a tall woman; her Secret Service codename is Flamingo, presumably
|>because of her long legs.
|
|Janney's six-foot tall. I heard her say it on a Regis, once.
When I heard her, she said she's "five-feet-twelve".
Brett A. Pasternack
> > Definitely a high 8 episode. I enjoyed it a bunch.
>
> Agreed it was a fantastic episode. Only what is a "high 8"? sounds
> like what Martian sports fans do. Is that what the probe would
> discover?
I daresay that means "...on a scale of 1 to 10". B^)
Kathy Frederick
> > The green beans - Obviously a little joke on Bush, but I loved what
> > Charlie said. He of course, had a point.
>
> TWW should watch out that everything Charlie says is not a pearl of
> wisdom. There is a tendency in that direction: love advice to Danny,
> the "teacher corps," the green beans etc. It gets a bit precious.
>
Agreed. TWW's characters, especially Bartlett, speak pearls of wisdom
so frequently that you can only presume the actors have a tough time
memorizing such nugget-filled lines. People just don't talk casually
this way. Preachy, preachy, preachy. Makes me groan.
--
K. Frederick
tri...@my-deja.com
tb...@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Quoth tri...@my-deja.com in <9085dq$18s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
> |
> |Excellent episode except for Sam's Galileo speech where he uses "me"
> |rather than "I." Not a mistake that character should make.
>
> Context? I think you may be wrong on that.
It was when Sam rewrote the flack's bad Galileo introduction at the
show opener. Me don't recall the exact quote, but me don't think me is
wrong about it.
Doug
Dana Carpender
Me watched the ep again on Friday, and me was listening carefully for
the usage. Me can't quote either, but me was indeed satisfied that Sam
misused the pronoun.
--
Dana W. Carpender
Author, How I Gave Up My Low Fat Diet -- And Lost Forty Pounds!
http://www.holdthetoast.com
Check out our FREE Low Carb Ezine!
Jonathan Roberts
tri...@my-deja.com
> Excellent episode except for Sam's Galileo speech where he uses "me"
> rather than "I." Not a mistake that character should make.
Isn't there also a mention of the Icelandic ambassador having a name
ending in "dottir" but they say ">he's< looking forward to meeting you"?
--
-- Jon
jonathan roberts \ the region of where
guitar:synth:notes \ "Music both ecrestic and neatrosolic."
Elspeth
> In article <9091ul$8f7$2...@news.panix.com>,
> tb...@pobox.com wrote:
> >
> > Quoth tri...@my-deja.com in <9085dq$18s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
> > |In article <3A2715...@juno.com>,
> > | Sarah <sarah...@juno.com> wrote:
> > |>
> > |> Comments?
> > |
> > |rather than "I." Not a mistake that character should make.
> >
>
> It was when Sam rewrote the flack's bad Galileo introduction at the
> show opener. Me don't recall the exact quote, but me don't think me is
> wrong about it.
Right. It was something like "In just a few minutes, you, me, and the folks
at Nasa will see images being broadcast from Mars." Paraphrasing much,
here, but that was the gist..."me" was used incorrectly.
Somehow, this didn't bother me as much as when TV characters incorrectly use
"I" instead of "me," as in "between you and I." *shudder*
Els
Tom Betz
Quoth "Elspeth" <nos...@nowhere.com> in <90es0p$b...@dispatch.concentric.net>:
|<tri...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:90ed4m$ifc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
|> In article <9091ul$8f7$2...@news.panix.com>,
|> tb...@pobox.com wrote:
|> >
|> > Quoth tri...@my-deja.com in <9085dq$18s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
|> > |In article <3A2715...@juno.com>,
|> > | Sarah <sarah...@juno.com> wrote:
|> > |>
|> > |> Comments?
|> > |
|> > |Excellent episode except for Sam's Galileo speech where he uses "me"
|> > |rather than "I." Not a mistake that character should make.
|> >
|> > Context? I think you may be wrong on that.
|>
|> It was when Sam rewrote the flack's bad Galileo introduction at the
|> show opener. Me don't recall the exact quote, but me don't think me is
|> wrong about it.
|
|Right. It was something like "In just a few minutes, you, me, and the folks
|at Nasa will see images being broadcast from Mars." Paraphrasing much,
|here, but that was the gist..."me" was used incorrectly.
Yup, now that you repeat it, I recall it.
Patty Winter
Elspeth <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>Right. It was something like "In just a few minutes, you, me, and the folks
>at Nasa will see images being broadcast from Mars." Paraphrasing much,
>here, but that was the gist..."me" was used incorrectly.
>
>Somehow, this didn't bother me as much as when TV characters incorrectly use
>"I" instead of "me," as in "between you and I." *shudder*
"Roswell" had an attack of that problem last week. At least, I
don't recall hearing it on the show before, but this time there
were at least three incidents of the "with Max and I" variety.
Different scriptwriter, perhaps? But sheesh, didn't *anyone* on
the production staff notice it??
Patty
Dana Carpender
Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>
> tri...@my-deja.com
>
> > Excellent episode except for Sam's Galileo speech where he uses "me"
> > rather than "I." Not a mistake that character should make.
>
> Isn't there also a mention of the Icelandic ambassador having a name
> ending in "dottir" but they say ">he's< looking forward to meeting you"?
>
Yes, there was, and it struck me as strange, but I figured maybe this
sort of usage had become fossilized in their language, just as our
patronymics have.
tri...@my-deja.com
Just between you and myself, me don't think they pay that much
attention. But maybe that's just I.
tri...@my-deja.com
tb...@pobox.com wrote:
>
> Quoth Dwayne Allen Day <wayn...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> in <_6PV5.771
$hm.1...@grover.nit.gwu.edu>:
> |:> > and just imagine George W handling the missile silo crisis --
you think he
> |:> > would have known what most people knew instantly -- that
draining the
> |:> > hydrogen meant a theft was underway?
> |:> As much as I like TWW and Sheen's portrayal, I don't think
Bartlet would
> |:> know that before the fact; I'm sure the national security
briefing on
> |:> the fire covered that point.
> |
> |: it was the first thing I thought of when they mentioned it. and
Bartlet
> |: is portrayed as being particularly well educated and smart --
quick on the
> |: uptake.
> |
> |Except that it's bogus--all you need to do to take a warhead off a
missile
> |is lift it off with a crane, not drain the tanks. Yeah, there might
be
> |certain safety precautions, but the bad guys don't have to follow
them.
>
> Moreover, SS-19s don't use liquid hydrogen as a propellant.
Do any missiles use it? Maybe the writers heard a story of a liquid
hydrogen explosion in some missile and over-generalized. I know some
ICBMs use some kind of nitrogen (ahem)oxide and (multi-syllabic)
hydrazine as a propellant, but I don't know if it's dangerously
unstable and combustible.
I'll bet they were thinking of the Atlas. Hey, maybe the SS-19s are
really based on stolen Titan designs.
Doug
...musta been messin' with the dogs when they described the technical
details of the missile.
HurricaneMB
Are you thinking of monomethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide? I don't
know anything about missles, but those are the fuels for the RCS and OMS
engines in the space shuttle orbiter. They're also used in spacecraft like
the lunar module, cassini, and various satellites. I think they use them on
titan and delta rockets too, but I'm not sure. From what I remember from my
days as a space camp counselor, the fuels are much easier to store than
cryogenic fuels like liquid oxygen/hydrogen and pretty stable by themselves,
but they are hypergolic, which means they ignite on contact with each other
and do not need an external ignitor.
-margaret
Jamie Wells
[snip]
Dimethylhydrazine to be exact (for the SS-19), but right
for the rest of your post.
Jamie Wells
Forge
> > Isn't there also a mention of the Icelandic ambassador having a name
> > ending in "dottir" but they say ">he's< looking forward to meeting you"?
> >
> Yes, there was, and it struck me as strange, but I figured maybe this
> sort of usage had become fossilized in their language, just as our
> patronymics have.
As far as I know, all Icelandic women's surnames end in "-dottir" and all
Icelandic men's surnames end in "-son" or maybe even "-sson." The last
place on Earth that still does that? Or maybe Finland/Norway/Sweden too?
Forge
> Are you thinking of monomethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide? I don't
> engines in the space shuttle orbiter. They're also used in spacecraft like
> the lunar module, cassini, and various satellites. I think they use them on
> titan and delta rockets too, but I'm not sure. From what I remember from my
> days as a space camp counselor, the fuels are much easier to store than
> cryogenic fuels like liquid oxygen/hydrogen and pretty stable by themselves,
> but they are hypergolic, which means they ignite on contact with each other
> and do not need an external ignitor.
I thought shuttle-fuel hydrazine was NASTY combustible by itself. The
train they use to transport it across KSC has teflon-coated wheels! No
sparks.
Richard Wagner -Dagwood-
meant a theft was underway? Moreover, SS-19s don't use liquid hydrogen as a
propellant.
Do any missiles use it? Maybe the writers heard a story of a liquid hydrogen
kind of nitrogen (ahem)oxide and (multi-syllabic)
combustible. Are you thinking of monomethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide?
as a space camp counselor, the fuels are much easier to store than cryogenic
fuels like liquid oxygen/hydrogen and pretty stable by themselves, but they are
hypergolic, which means they ignite on contact with each other and do not need
an external ignitor.
HEY THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE IS IT?
OOPS WRONG ROOM
DagWood
"Tigers Older brother DAG"
Frank Swarbrick
I always find this rather amusing. The problem, it seems to me, is that in
elementary school it is drilled into kids heads to say "Joe and I are friends"
not "Joe and me are friends." So they take it to the extreme and *always* say
"Joe and I" rather than thinking it out to see if "I" is appropriate or "me" is
appropriate.
Frank Swarbrick
home: inf...@sprynet.com / work: frank.s...@efirstbank.com
"I'm very seldom naughty." --Willow Rosenberg "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
Macdougall
>"Roswell" had an attack of that problem last week. At least, I
>don't recall hearing it on the show before, but this time there
>were at least three incidents of the "with Max and I" variety.
>Different scriptwriter, perhaps? But sheesh, didn't *anyone* on
>the production staff notice it??
>
>
>Patty
Real people make grammatical mistakes. Why not fictional characters?