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Rhino
Jul 19, 2014, 10:42:25 PM7/19/14
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On 2014-07-19 7:54 PM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> I am watching "The Borgias" on Netflix. At the beginning of each episode
> while the credits are running, there is a chant geing sung. To my ears it
> sound like "Oh stinky feet, O stinky feet".
>
> Does anyone know that is actually being chanted?
>
I enjoyed the opening credits for The Borgias so I did a bit of digging.
Unfortunately, I didn't find much. The opening credits aren't discussed
in the Wikipedia article for the show. I found clips of the credits on
YouTube and noticed that the composer was Trevor Morris. However, when I
looked him up in Wikipedia and some of their links, all I could find out
that was relevant was that he was nominated for an Emmy for The Borgias
theme. However, there was nothing about the lyrics of that song. I don't
even know what LANGUAGE they're in, let alone what the lyrics are saying.
Frankly, the lyrics sounded like they might be in Latin, like Carl
Orff's Carmina Burana. But they might be Spanish, like the Borgias
themselves were, or Italian. I didn't hear anything that sounded like
"Oh Stinky Feet" when I listened.
All I can suggest is that you try google searches on "The Borgias
opening credits" and/or try to contact Trevor Morris. Tracking HIM down
might be an interesting challenge. According to Wikipedia, he was born
and raised in London, Ontario Canada but who knows if he still lives
there. Musicians like him tend to do a lot of freelance work so tracking
him down on the basis of who last hired him might be dodgy. Perhaps IMDB
will tell you who his agent is and how he can be contacted. Perhaps the
agent would tell you how to get an email to him so you could ask.
But that's probably a LOT more work than you're willing to do to answer
your question ;-)
Maybe someone who speaks Italian, Spanish or Latin will see this thread
and be able to tell you what the lyrics actually say.
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Rhino
> I am watching "The Borgias" on Netflix. At the beginning of each episode
> while the credits are running, there is a chant geing sung. To my ears it
> sound like "Oh stinky feet, O stinky feet".
>
> Does anyone know that is actually being chanted?
>
I enjoyed the opening credits for The Borgias so I did a bit of digging.
Unfortunately, I didn't find much. The opening credits aren't discussed
in the Wikipedia article for the show. I found clips of the credits on
YouTube and noticed that the composer was Trevor Morris. However, when I
looked him up in Wikipedia and some of their links, all I could find out
that was relevant was that he was nominated for an Emmy for The Borgias
theme. However, there was nothing about the lyrics of that song. I don't
even know what LANGUAGE they're in, let alone what the lyrics are saying.
Frankly, the lyrics sounded like they might be in Latin, like Carl
Orff's Carmina Burana. But they might be Spanish, like the Borgias
themselves were, or Italian. I didn't hear anything that sounded like
"Oh Stinky Feet" when I listened.
All I can suggest is that you try google searches on "The Borgias
opening credits" and/or try to contact Trevor Morris. Tracking HIM down
might be an interesting challenge. According to Wikipedia, he was born
and raised in London, Ontario Canada but who knows if he still lives
there. Musicians like him tend to do a lot of freelance work so tracking
him down on the basis of who last hired him might be dodgy. Perhaps IMDB
will tell you who his agent is and how he can be contacted. Perhaps the
agent would tell you how to get an email to him so you could ask.
But that's probably a LOT more work than you're willing to do to answer
your question ;-)
Maybe someone who speaks Italian, Spanish or Latin will see this thread
and be able to tell you what the lyrics actually say.
--
Rhino
Rhino
Jul 19, 2014, 10:51:47 PM7/19/14
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On 2014-07-19 7:54 PM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> I am watching "The Borgias" on Netflix. At the beginning of each episode
> while the credits are running, there is a chant geing sung. To my ears it
> sound like "Oh stinky feet, O stinky feet".
>
> Does anyone know that is actually being chanted?
>
Well, that was easier than I expected. I tracked down Trevor Morris's
> I am watching "The Borgias" on Netflix. At the beginning of each episode
> while the credits are running, there is a chant geing sung. To my ears it
> sound like "Oh stinky feet, O stinky feet".
>
> Does anyone know that is actually being chanted?
>
website and found contact information on this page.
http://trevormorris.com/contact-reg.html
Send him an email and ask him what the lyrics are. He's the
authoritative source on the question you asked. Suggestion: don't tell
him your guess that the words are "O stinky feet"; that might offend
him. Just ask him what the lyrics are, what language they're in, and
what they mean in English.
If you're polite and don't waste too much of his time he might actually
answer you or point you to an article that answers the question. If you
get an answer, post back here. I'm mildly interested in hearing the answer.
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Rhino
anim8rFSK
Jul 19, 2014, 11:03:30 PM7/19/14
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suzeeq
Jul 20, 2014, 9:39:50 PM7/20/14
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Capricorne wrote:
> Kirby Grant wrote :
>
>> I sent off an email. Let's see if he responds.
>
>
> I sent an email once to Jonathan Kellerman, the author, about his books
> and he answered! I was surprised.
I like his books, and those of his wife Faye.
> Kirby Grant wrote :
>
>> I sent off an email. Let's see if he responds.
>
>
> I sent an email once to Jonathan Kellerman, the author, about his books
> and he answered! I was surprised.
I like his books, and those of his wife Faye.
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suzeeq
Jul 20, 2014, 10:40:25 PM7/20/14
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Capricorne wrote:
> suzeeq wrote :
> Yeah, it seems to be the family business. Their son is also writing:
> Jesse Kellerman.
Yep, I read his first one, will have to look for others. Another writing
family is James Lee Burke and his daughter Alafair Burke. He writes very
grity mystery/detective stories, she writes legal novels.
> suzeeq wrote :
> Jesse Kellerman.
Yep, I read his first one, will have to look for others. Another writing
family is James Lee Burke and his daughter Alafair Burke. He writes very
grity mystery/detective stories, she writes legal novels.
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Ralph
Jul 21, 2014, 6:38:56 PM7/21/14
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While we wait to hear if Morris responds to Kirby, what's available by others online suggests that the choral composition is a pseudo Latin Renaissance chant. It peaks in a driven frenzy that recalls, without the verbal articulation, John Barry's opening exorcism for "The Lion In Winter." (And listeners might also be reminded of how some Brazilian musicians use repetitive scat but, obviously, without the ass-shaking.)
Here's a link to the making of the series' titles.
http://www.artofthetitle.com/title/the-borgias/
Aren't we short-changing "The Borgias" by not talking about it? The one time dream movie epic turned by providence of Steven Spielberg into a Showtime series isn't wholly faithful to the known historical record of the infamous family but it holds fast to the sinister, murderous and aberrant sexual activities that are history's gossip. On that basis, it's nearly spectacular in mouthwatering lasciviousness. Under the clenched if not tyrannical control of chief writer-director and executive producer Jordan, the series isn't quite so consciously contrived as a bingefest in the way Netflix's fashionably amoral "House of Cards" is, but it has been designed for the kind of audience insatiable for Vatican and royal intrigues, bloody stabbings, throat-cuttings, beheadings, burnings at the stake, poisonings. There's much more going for it than just the super juicy: its terrific cast headed by Jeremy Irons, classy production values, Morris' music, editing and CGI effects grandly reflect the conservatively estimated cost of $135 million. The sharply edgy scripts reek with the stench of the power hungry, the bizarre and the deviant on every level: "Game of Thrones" has little on Sean Harris' Micheletto, the most itch-inducing assassin in the history of the miniseries medium. And not even Francis's crowd-pleasing magnanimity can scotch a viewer's recognition that Catholicism, as with any other formal religion, schemes to fleece its adherents. Filming 24 of the episodes, Paul Sarossy's cinematography is probably the show's major achievement in that it's the lush adhesive that holds everything together -- television rarely looks so good. "The Borgias" is prurience of the highest caliber.
Here's a link to the making of the series' titles.
http://www.artofthetitle.com/title/the-borgias/
Aren't we short-changing "The Borgias" by not talking about it? The one time dream movie epic turned by providence of Steven Spielberg into a Showtime series isn't wholly faithful to the known historical record of the infamous family but it holds fast to the sinister, murderous and aberrant sexual activities that are history's gossip. On that basis, it's nearly spectacular in mouthwatering lasciviousness. Under the clenched if not tyrannical control of chief writer-director and executive producer Jordan, the series isn't quite so consciously contrived as a bingefest in the way Netflix's fashionably amoral "House of Cards" is, but it has been designed for the kind of audience insatiable for Vatican and royal intrigues, bloody stabbings, throat-cuttings, beheadings, burnings at the stake, poisonings. There's much more going for it than just the super juicy: its terrific cast headed by Jeremy Irons, classy production values, Morris' music, editing and CGI effects grandly reflect the conservatively estimated cost of $135 million. The sharply edgy scripts reek with the stench of the power hungry, the bizarre and the deviant on every level: "Game of Thrones" has little on Sean Harris' Micheletto, the most itch-inducing assassin in the history of the miniseries medium. And not even Francis's crowd-pleasing magnanimity can scotch a viewer's recognition that Catholicism, as with any other formal religion, schemes to fleece its adherents. Filming 24 of the episodes, Paul Sarossy's cinematography is probably the show's major achievement in that it's the lush adhesive that holds everything together -- television rarely looks so good. "The Borgias" is prurience of the highest caliber.
marc...@gmail.com
Aug 19, 2016, 2:19:57 AM8/19/16
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Rhino
Aug 19, 2016, 10:44:13 AM8/19/16
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down might be able to reach him via email by tracking him down at his
current or past employers. That suggestion still stands.
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Rhino
bethws...@gmail.com
May 8, 2017, 6:32:17 PM5/8/17
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The original post in this thread referred the show "Borgia" on Netflix which is exceptional. They are NOT referring to the Showtime version which is in competition with it. If anything should be discussed, it is "Borgia" (Netflix) as the other show has nothing to do with the original post. The intro song to "Borgia" is the topic. It would be very interesting to know the meaning of the chant - to have it translated for us.
bethws...@gmail.com
May 8, 2017, 6:39:57 PM5/8/17
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!!! I believe Trevor Morris is associated with the Showtime version entitled "The Borgias" NOT with the Netflix production entitled, "Borgia". The original post is referring to the Netflix "Borgia" production so Im pretty sure Mr Morris will ignore any question about a show/song he has nothing to do with. Bottom line... they are two different shows!
Rhino
May 8, 2017, 8:30:50 PM5/8/17
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On 2017-05-08 6:32 PM, bethws...@gmail.com wrote:
> The original post in this thread referred the show "Borgia" on Netflix which is exceptional. They are NOT referring to the Showtime version which is in competition with it. If anything should be discussed, it is "Borgia" (Netflix) as the other show has nothing to do with the original post. The intro song to "Borgia" is the topic. It would be very interesting to know the meaning of the chant - to have it translated for us.
>
First of all, you should note that you are following up on a thread that
> The original post in this thread referred the show "Borgia" on Netflix which is exceptional. They are NOT referring to the Showtime version which is in competition with it. If anything should be discussed, it is "Borgia" (Netflix) as the other show has nothing to do with the original post. The intro song to "Borgia" is the topic. It would be very interesting to know the meaning of the chant - to have it translated for us.
>
is several years old, not a current one. I'm still around but I have no
idea if the OP is.
Second, you're right. My answer was about the Showtime version, produced
by Neil Jordan, not the Netflix version produced by Tom Fontana and
Barry Levinson. At the time I answered that question, I don't think I
was aware of the Netflix version. In fact, I wasn't aware of that
version until just now!
For what it's worth, I just looked it up and found the pilot episode of
the Fontana/Levinson version. I didn't hear *any* lyrics in *any*
language in that episode. I only watched the first couple of minutes but
the opening titles ran in that time period. Either they added lyrics for
the later episodes or seasons - which wouldn't be unprecedented by any
means - or the question referred to closing credits which I have not heard.
Personally, I still have fond memories of the opening credits for the
Neil Jordan version of the show :-)
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Rhino
Adam H. Kerman
May 8, 2017, 9:27:50 PM5/8/17
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Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>On 2017-05-08 6:32 PM, bethws...@gmail.com wrote:
>>The original post in this thread referred the show "Borgia" on Netflix which is exceptional. They are NOT referring to the Showtime version which is in competition with it. If anything should be discussed, it is "Borgia" (Netflix) as the other show has nothing to do with the original post. The intro song to "Borgia" is the topic. It would be very interesting to know the meaning of the chant - to have it translated for us.
>First of all, you should note that you are following up on a thread that
>is several years old, not a current one. I'm still around but I have no
>idea if the OP is.
It knows, it knows. It's an ancient troll.
>On 2017-05-08 6:32 PM, bethws...@gmail.com wrote:
>>The original post in this thread referred the show "Borgia" on Netflix which is exceptional. They are NOT referring to the Showtime version which is in competition with it. If anything should be discussed, it is "Borgia" (Netflix) as the other show has nothing to do with the original post. The intro song to "Borgia" is the topic. It would be very interesting to know the meaning of the chant - to have it translated for us.
>First of all, you should note that you are following up on a thread that
>is several years old, not a current one. I'm still around but I have no
>idea if the OP is.
. . .
humbuck...@gmail.com
Apr 5, 2020, 6:26:27 PM4/5/20
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I'm not sure this will answer anyone's question, but it gives some fascinating insight to the music on the show, nevertheless
https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/luminary/issue4/issue4article8.htm
on a group devoted to the show, there is a very short thread about this chant. They don't know what it is, either, but someone who says they are in the know says that it is in Esperanto.
https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/luminary/issue4/issue4article8.htm
on a group devoted to the show, there is a very short thread about this chant. They don't know what it is, either, but someone who says they are in the know says that it is in Esperanto.
humbuck...@gmail.com
Apr 5, 2020, 11:47:55 PM4/5/20
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so....I actually contacted Trevor, who answered almost immediately (I asked him if he were the composer and what the phrases meant):
'I composed it, its Latin phrases to echo the nature of the show. There is no real meaning to the lyrics, its more what phonetically sounded good to my ear'
not quite, perhaps, as romantic as one may have wished. Practical and pragmatic.
'I composed it, its Latin phrases to echo the nature of the show. There is no real meaning to the lyrics, its more what phonetically sounded good to my ear'
not quite, perhaps, as romantic as one may have wished. Practical and pragmatic.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 6, 2020, 12:56:03 PM4/6/20
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Usenet, but golly, it sure would be nice, when reviving a thread from
six years earlier, to quote enough of the precusor article to provide
context. For whatever reason my News server didn't expunge the precursor
article but that won't be true on the vast majority of servers.
What is the magic formula to get a Google Groups user to quote properly
to provide context?
humbuck...@gmail.com
Apr 7, 2020, 6:10:32 AM4/7/20
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MummyChunk
Apr 12, 2020, 10:59:44 AM4/12/20
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> > On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 9:56:03 AM UTC-7, Adam H. Kerman
wrote:
> > humbuck...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > so....I actually contacted Trevor, who answered almost
immediately (I
> > asked him if he were the composer and what the phrases meant):
> >
> > 'I composed it, its Latin phrases to echo the nature of the show.
There
> > is no real meaning to the lyrics, its more what phonetically
sounded
> > good to my ear'
> >
> > not quite, perhaps, as romantic as one may have wished.
Practical and
> > pragmatic.
> >
quickly at that. Did you contact via twitter or????
This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=298847418#298847418
Rhino
Apr 12, 2020, 11:25:16 AM4/12/20
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can hope to do. Gentle reminders don't seem to work, nor do very pointed
ones....
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Rhino
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 12, 2020, 11:40:44 AM4/12/20
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MummyChunk <mummy...@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
>For one thing, Adam, it would be nice if, instead of going on a
>rant, the answering person might have thought 'hey, maybe this person
>doesn't know they should be doing this', and politely told them what
>they should be doing. . . .
>For one thing, Adam, it would be nice if, instead of going on a
>rant, the answering person might have thought 'hey, maybe this person
>doesn't know they should be doing this', and politely told them what
Jesus Christ. You quote portions of the thread in a followup to the root
article, completely fucking up the thread tree.
Nice job making it all worse. But you sure told me off.
Amanda Devonshire
Mar 31, 2022, 5:11:31 PM3/31/22
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I hear 'release the tigre (tigris in latin)' . Since the entire series concerns the fight against the Sforzas and the head has the nickname of 'tiger', even taken back to Rome dressed in tiger colours....I vote this is in keeping with the series and music (which is amazing). Just thought I'd say :-)
Arthur Santos Oliveira
Sep 19, 2022, 10:04:59 AM9/19/22
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