A Town Call Mercy reviewed with Spoilers

[The Doctor]

I say 9/10.

This was a surprise from the previews we were getting.

You would have thought that the Cyberorg was a villain.
It fact he was a victim.

The Doctor comes to Mercy and notices weird stuff, like electricity 10 years
before its time.

The Doctor meets Doctor JEx in jail when the Sheriff shows MErcy to the
travellers.

The Doctor does want to know why this gunslinger is tauning Mercy.

So 2 people have to decoy while the Doctor uses a horse called Joshua
to find the truth.

The doctor is in fact so horrifiy that he is willing to
send Jex out of town! So when Marshall Isaac is killed by accident
and new set of circumstances are set off as the Doctor becomes
the Marshall.

So what is a Doctor to do? The Town peole are not happy to
keep a crimanal even if he prevented cholera.

The Doctor shows MErcy to Jex and let's him depart Earth
or so he thought.

JEx commits suicide.

The Doctor is gone and Gunslinger becomes MArshall.

Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?
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[MDS]

The Doctor wrote:
>
> I say 9/10.
>
> This was a surprise from the previews we were getting.
>
> You would have thought that the Cyberorg was a villain.
> It fact he was a victim.
>
> The Doctor comes to Mercy and notices weird stuff, like electricity 10 years
> before its time.
>
> The Doctor meets Doctor JEx in jail when the Sheriff shows MErcy to the
> travellers.
>
> The Doctor does want to know why this gunslinger is tauning Mercy.
>
> So 2 people have to decoy while the Doctor uses a horse called Joshua
> to find the truth.
>
> The doctor is in fact so horrifiy that he is willing to
> send Jex out of town! So when Marshall Isaac is killed by accident
> and new set of circumstances are set off as the Doctor becomes
> the Marshall.
>
> So what is a Doctor to do? The Town peole are not happy to
> keep a crimanal even if he prevented cholera.
>
> The Doctor shows MErcy to Jex and let's him depart Earth
> or so he thought.
>
> JEx commits suicide.
>
> The Doctor is gone and Gunslinger becomes MArshall.
>
> Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?
> --

It happened in Frankentein.



--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

[John Hall]

In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
<snip>

>Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?

You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
possibility of redemption.
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

[Andy Leighton]

On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:11:33 +0000 (UTC), The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> So 2 people have to decoy while the Doctor uses a horse called Joshua
> to find the truth.

Susan! Or at least that is what the Doctor called the horse.

I guess there is room for debate whether the Doctor (or rather the TARDIS)
actually speaks horse or whether he just made it up for the lulz.

--
Andy Leighton => an...@azaal.plus.com
"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

[gerard.morvan]

"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> a �crit dans le message de news:
k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>I say 9/10.

That's my note as well.

>> So 2 people have to decoy while the Doctor uses a horse called Joshua
> to find the truth.
>

"His name is Susan" and he has a potty mouth, to boot. (RTD would have been
pleased.

G�rard Morvan

"Kentoc'h Mervel!"

[Mike Hall]

On 16/09/2012 09:17, John Hall wrote:
> In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
> <snip>
>> Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?
>
> You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
> possibility of redemption.
>

He wasn't a mad scientist. Basically, he developed the "nuclear bomb"
to end a terrible war, in the form of cyborgs. I doubt what he did
would even be considered a war crime in the real world. Unlike Davros,
he had no intention of creating a supreme race, just a better weapon.


Mike Hall

[Adam H. Kerman]

Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 16/09/2012 09:17, John Hall wrote:

>>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:

>>>Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?

>>You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
>>possibility of redemption.

>He wasn't a mad scientist. Basically, he developed the "nuclear bomb"
>to end a terrible war, in the form of cyborgs. I doubt what he did
>would even be considered a war crime in the real world. Unlike Davros,
>he had no intention of creating a supreme race, just a better weapon.

That's the point at which war crimes are committed, when one side is losing
badly or has taken such heavy losses that its civilization has collapsed
that it does the unthinkable. Or when a dictator has ruled for years, having
committed minor human rights abuses, orders his guards to shoot into crowds
of protestors when he expects to be booted out of office.

War crimes tend not to occur at the start of wars, unless you call behaving
idiotically during peacetime, making war inevitable, a crime.

[The Doctor]

Memories of Brain of Morbius.

>
>
>--
>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

[The Doctor]

In article <sdHtRlCq...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,

John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
><snip>
>>Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?
>
>You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
>possibility of redemption.

What about Brain of Morbius?

>--
>John Hall
>
> "The beatings will continue until morale improves."
> Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

[The Doctor]

In article <slrnk5b3uj...@azaal.plus.com>,

Andy Leighton <an...@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:11:33 +0000 (UTC), The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> So 2 people have to decoy while the Doctor uses a horse called Joshua
>> to find the truth.
>
>Susan! Or at least that is what the Doctor called the horse.
>
>I guess there is room for debate whether the Doctor (or rather the TARDIS)
>actually speaks horse or whether he just made it up for the lulz.
>

That one came up on Twitter.

>--
>Andy Leighton => an...@azaal.plus.com
>"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
> - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

[The Doctor]

In article <50558ff8$0$18073$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr>,

gerard.morvan <gerard...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> a �crit dans le message de news:
>k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>I say 9/10.
>
>That's my note as well.
>
>>> So 2 people have to decoy while the Doctor uses a horse called Joshua
>> to find the truth.
>>
>
>"His name is Susan" and he has a potty mouth, to boot. (RTD would have been
>pleased.
>

This is Moffat.

>G�rard Morvan
>
>"Kentoc'h Mervel!"
>
>

[The Doctor]

In article <T9h5s.325553$LO.3...@fx26.am4>,

Points well taken.

[The Doctor]

In article <k349gf$n4g$2...@news.albasani.net>,

Here is a question Adam:

At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
war criminals?

[Adam H. Kerman]

The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On 16/09/2012 09:17, John Hall wrote:
>>>>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:

>>>>>Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?

>>>>You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
>>>>possibility of redemption.

>>>He wasn't a mad scientist. Basically, he developed the "nuclear bomb"
>>>to end a terrible war, in the form of cyborgs. I doubt what he did
>>>would even be considered a war crime in the real world. Unlike Davros,
>>>he had no intention of creating a supreme race, just a better weapon.

>>That's the point at which war crimes are committed, when one side is losing
>>badly or has taken such heavy losses that its civilization has collapsed
>>that it does the unthinkable. Or when a dictator has ruled for years, having
>>committed minor human rights abuses, orders his guards to shoot into crowds
>>of protestors when he expects to be booted out of office.

>>War crimes tend not to occur at the start of wars, unless you call behaving
>>idiotically during peacetime, making war inevitable, a crime.

>Here is a question Adam:

>At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
>war criminals?

You mean like the ones who conducted non-consensual medical experiments?

[solar penguin]

The Doctor wrote:

>
> At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
> war criminals?

Dr Mengele was branded as one.

[John Hall]

In article <k34hm5$157$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,

The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>In article <sdHtRlCq...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
>John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>><snip>
>>>Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?
>>
>>You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
>>possibility of redemption.
>
>What about Brain of Morbius?

What about it?

[The Doctor]

In article <k34n59$kqf$1...@news.albasani.net>,

Exactly!

[The Doctor]

In article <0656d9f8-b0ca-4a2a...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,

But what about those who ended up in Allied Powers and never
has to atone for their sins.

[The Doctor]

In article <DaD8OXEO...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,

John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <k34hm5$157$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>>In article <sdHtRlCq...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
>>John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>>> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>>><snip>
>>>>Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?
>>>
>>>You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
>>>possibility of redemption.
>>
>>What about Brain of Morbius?
>
>What about it?
>--

Soron could have repented himself.

[David Johnston]

On 9/16/2012 3:37 PM, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <0656d9f8-b0ca-4a2a...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
>>> war criminals?
>>
>> Dr Mengele was branded as one.
>>
>
> But what about those who ended up in Allied Powers and never
> has to atone for their sins.
>

What sins do you have in mind?

[The Doctor]

In article <k35k8q$sla$1...@dont-email.me>,

Those that experimented on humans.

[David Johnston]

On 9/16/2012 4:48 PM, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <k35k8q$sla$1...@dont-email.me>,
> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On 9/16/2012 3:37 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <0656d9f8-b0ca-4a2a...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
>>>>> war criminals?
>>>>
>>>> Dr Mengele was branded as one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But what about those who ended up in Allied Powers and never
>>> has to atone for their sins.
>>>
>>
>> What sins do you have in mind?
>
> Those that experimented on humans.
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_Trial

[The Doctor]

In article <k35lvs$667$1...@dont-email.me>,

Got you. details to come.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Some of them were prosecuted as war criminals.

[Mike Hall]

On 16/09/2012 11:26, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 16/09/2012 09:17, John Hall wrote:
>>> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>
>>>> Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?
>
>>> You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
>>> possibility of redemption.
>
>> He wasn't a mad scientist. Basically, he developed the "nuclear bomb"
>> to end a terrible war, in the form of cyborgs. I doubt what he did
>> would even be considered a war crime in the real world. Unlike Davros,
>> he had no intention of creating a supreme race, just a better weapon.
>
> That's the point at which war crimes are committed, when one side is losing
> badly or has taken such heavy losses that its civilization has collapsed
> that it does the unthinkable.

Actually, using my example, American civilization was nowhere near
collapsing. Once the US Navy and Air Force had proven dominance, Japan
could not attack the American mainland. Nuclear bombs were used to
force Japan to surrender, to end the threat of Imperial Japan for good.
It is doubtful whether a full invasion of Japan (with an estimated 1
million+ American casualties) would have been ordered; the Emperor of
Japan may well have gotten away with a negotiated settlement and some
pride intact otherwise.

Also, it is known that the Americans did know what the effects of these
bombs were; though it is certain that they would have still dropped at
least one anyway.

Back to Doctor Who, the gunslinger was like one of the US soldiers who
suffered from radiation sickness (before the inevitable death) after the
early nuclear experiments. Was it mentioned if the gunslinger had
volunteered to become a cyborg?


Mike Hall

[The Doctor]

In article <k360sg$dgr$2...@news.albasani.net>,

Key word here is some, not most, not all, some.

[The Doctor]

In article <ViD5s.167108$jE4.1...@fx01.am4>,

POint well taken Mike. The gunslinger was a volunteer to end a war.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Some were dead. Some crimes weren't revealed. A few escaped. No one who was
in a position to be prosecuted at war's end whose crimes were known to be
the most serious was let off the hook.

Tell us, Yads, who it is you claim committed an attrocity and could have
been prosecuted, but wasn't. Either make your point, or shut the fuck up.

[The Doctor]

In article <k37doo$pmg$6...@news.albasani.net>,

>been prosecuted, but wasn't. Either make your point.

What about those scientist who developed either
the rocket or ways of killing people medically.

[Stephen Wilson]

"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:k37fl7$bct$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...

>>
>>Tell us, Yads, who it is you claim committed an attrocity and could have
>>been prosecuted, but wasn't. Either make your point.
>
> What about those scientist who developed either
> the rocket or ways of killing people medically.

What about them? What's your point?

In the crazy world that is the mind of Yads, what do you think of Einstein?

To me, Einstein was a great physicist. You seem to want to categorise every
person as good or bad. I've no idea why. So do you think Einstein was bad?
He was in favour of socialism. He wrote much about Judaism, theological
determinism, agnosticism, and humanism but generally described himself as a
religious nonbeliever or agnostic. He describes your belief (the idea of an
anthropomorphic deity) as naive and childlike. In 1952 he wrote "The word
God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human
weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive
legends." I'm sure that makes him evil in your mind already.

Einstein did not invent the atomic bomb. But it would never have happened
without him. Does that also make Einstein evil in your mind? Shortly before
he died, he wrote "I made one great mistake in my life... when I signed the
letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made; but
there was some justification - the danger that the Germans would make them."

So Yads, do you have a point?

[David Johnston]

On 9/17/2012 8:49 AM, The Doctor wrote:

>>>>> Here is a question Adam:
>>
>>>>> At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
>>>>> war criminals?
>>
>>>> You mean like the ones who conducted non-consensual medical experiments?
>>
>>> Exactly!
>>
>> Some of them were prosecuted as war criminals.
>
> Key word here is some, not most, not all, some.
>

I spent a little while looking up others. I found fates like "committed
suicide to avoid prosecution" and "lived in hiding in the third world
for the rest of his life as a hunted man".

[John Hall]

In article <k37deu$981$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,

The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>In article <ViD5s.167108$jE4.1...@fx01.am4>,
>Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Back to Doctor Who, the gunslinger was like one of the US soldiers who
>>suffered from radiation sickness (before the inevitable death) after the
>>early nuclear experiments. Was it mentioned if the gunslinger had
>>volunteered to become a cyborg?
>>
>>
>>Mike Hall
>
>POint well taken Mike. The gunslinger was a volunteer to end a war.

From what I can remember of the episode, the gunslinger was emphatically
/not/ a volunteer.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <yGee+FEj...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,

John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <k37deu$981$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
> >In article <ViD5s.167108$jE4.1...@fx01.am4>,
> >Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Back to Doctor Who, the gunslinger was like one of the US soldiers who
> >>suffered from radiation sickness (before the inevitable death) after the
> >>early nuclear experiments. Was it mentioned if the gunslinger had
> >>volunteered to become a cyborg?
> >>
> >>
> >>Mike Hall
> >
> >POint well taken Mike. The gunslinger was a volunteer to end a war.
>
> From what I can remember of the episode, the gunslinger was emphatically
> /not/ a volunteer.

Yes he was:

Doctor Who: Jex built it. He and his team took volunteers, told them
they'd be selected for 'special training' then experimented on them,
fused their bodies with weaponry, and programmed them to kill.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

[Ross]

On Sep 17, 1:59 pm, John Hall <nospam_no...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <k37deu$98...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>  The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>
> >In article <ViD5s.167108$jE4.137...@fx01.am4>,

> >Mike Hall  <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Back to Doctor Who, the gunslinger was like one of the US soldiers who
> >>suffered from radiation sickness (before the inevitable death) after the
> >>early nuclear experiments.  Was it mentioned if the gunslinger had
> >>volunteered to become a cyborg?
>
> >>Mike Hall
>
> >POint well taken Mike.  The gunslinger was a volunteer to end a war.
>
> From what I can remember of the episode, the gunslinger was emphatically
> /not/ a volunteer.

He volunteered for *something*, just not for what he got. It's not
really clear if this means anything more than that he wasn't
conscripted but had enlisted in the military of his own free will.
Most likely, he volunteered for a nebulously-defined "special
dangerous assignment"

[John Hall]

In article <anim8rfsk-9C6F2...@news.easynews.com>,

Yes, but they didn't volunteer to be turned into /cyborgs/, which was
what Mike asked. "Special training" was not a truthful description of
what they were letting themselves in for.

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:11:33 +0000 (UTC):
>
> The Doctor shows MErcy to Jex and let's him depart Earth
> or so he thought.

The interesting thing was that it took a wake-up call from Amy to ensure
that this happened. So those who'd been seeing a more vindictive and
less pacifist Doctor so far this series had not been imagining things.

--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"You will create an evil of your own making." -- Knights Templar Grandmaster Data

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:49:43 +0000 (UTC):

> In article <k349gf$n4g$2...@news.albasani.net>,
> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>On 16/09/2012 09:17, John Hall wrote:
> >>>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
> >
> >>>>Question: Mad scientist sudeenly becoming good, any such thing?
> >
> >>>You say that you're a Christian, so you ought to believe in the
> >>>possibility of redemption.
> >
> >>He wasn't a mad scientist. Basically, he developed the "nuclear bomb"
> >>to end a terrible war, in the form of cyborgs. I doubt what he did
> >>would even be considered a war crime in the real world. Unlike Davros,
> >>he had no intention of creating a supreme race, just a better weapon.
> >
> >That's the point at which war crimes are committed, when one side is losing
> >badly or has taken such heavy losses that its civilization has collapsed
> >that it does the unthinkable. Or when a dictator has ruled for years, having
> >committed minor human rights abuses, orders his guards to shoot into crowds
> >of protestors when he expects to be booted out of office.
> >
> >War crimes tend not to occur at the start of wars, unless you call behaving
> >idiotically during peacetime, making war inevitable, a crime.
>
> Here is a question Adam:
>
> At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
> war criminals?

They generally were, actually--unless they had rocket skills and could
help us to conquer space before the Russkies could do it.

[The Doctor]

In article <6fI5s.250965$Up5.1...@fx06.am4>,

Einstein gave the allies a victory in good consciuosness.

[The Doctor]

In article <k37jtc$at3$1...@dont-email.me>,

And some agreed to work in secret.

[The Doctor]

In article <anim8rfsk-9C6F2...@news.easynews.com>,

Thank you Ani.

[The Doctor]

In article <b1sc589pi2dhmd2u8...@4ax.com>,

Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:11:33 +0000 (UTC):
>>
>> The Doctor shows MErcy to Jex and let's him depart Earth
>> or so he thought.
>
>The interesting thing was that it took a wake-up call from Amy to ensure
>that this happened. So those who'd been seeing a more vindictive and
>less pacifist Doctor so far this series had not been imagining things.
>

After Trial of a Timelord , the doctor is heading in that direction.

[The Doctor]

In article <t1sc589tj9fsq9peu...@4ax.com>,

Exactly my point.

[David Johnston]

On 9/17/2012 2:19 PM, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <k37jtc$at3$1...@dont-email.me>,
> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On 9/17/2012 8:49 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Here is a question Adam:
>>>>
>>>>>>> At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
>>>>>>> war criminals?
>>>>
>>>>>> You mean like the ones who conducted non-consensual medical experiments?
>>>>
>>>>> Exactly!
>>>>
>>>> Some of them were prosecuted as war criminals.
>>>
>>> Key word here is some, not most, not all, some.
>>>
>>
>> I spent a little while looking up others. I found fates like "committed
>> suicide to avoid prosecution" and "lived in hiding in the third world
>> for the rest of his life as a hunted man".
>
> And some agreed to work in secret.
>

Now you're just making shit up.

[The Doctor]

In article <k386v7$dd7$1...@dont-email.me>,

>Now you're just making it up.

Prove it.

[David Johnston]

On 9/17/2012 5:36 PM, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <k386v7$dd7$1...@dont-email.me>,
> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On 9/17/2012 2:19 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <k37jtc$at3$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> David Johnston <Da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>> On 9/17/2012 8:49 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is a question Adam:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
>>>>>>>>> war criminals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean like the ones who conducted non-consensual medical experiments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of them were prosecuted as war criminals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Key word here is some, not most, not all, some.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I spent a little while looking up others. I found fates like "committed
>>>> suicide to avoid prosecution" and "lived in hiding in the third world
>>>> for the rest of his life as a hunted man".
>>>
>>> And some agreed to work in secret.
>>>
>>
>> Now you're just making it up.
>
> Prove it.
>

Prove what? You obviously don't know anything.

[Adam H. Kerman]

anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:

>>>Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>Back to Doctor Who, the gunslinger was like one of the US soldiers who
>>>>suffered from radiation sickness (before the inevitable death) after the
>>>>early nuclear experiments. Was it mentioned if the gunslinger had
>>>>volunteered to become a cyborg?

>>>POint well taken Mike. The gunslinger was a volunteer to end a war.

>>From what I can remember of the episode, the gunslinger was emphatically
>>/not/ a volunteer.

>Yes he was:

>Doctor Who: Jex built it. He and his team took volunteers, told them
>they'd be selected for 'special training' then experimented on them,
>fused their bodies with weaponry, and programmed them to kill.

C'mon. They volunteered for special training, not robotization. At least
in Robocop's case, they experimented on his corpose... after putting him
into a situation in which he'd likely be killed.

[Johan de Koning]

To no avail.

[anim8rFSK]

In article <k38lm1$buj$3...@news.albasani.net>,

"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

I'm not saying he wasn't misled, I'm just addressing the line:

> >>From what I can remember of the episode, the gunslinger was emphatically
> >>/not/ a volunteer.

But he was; the Doctor even uses the word.

Do you think they told Steve Rogers exactly what they were going to do
to him, or just that he'd be big and strong and able to kill rat bastard
Japanazis?

[Adam H. Kerman]

Apparently in the days of less morally ambiguous wars, there were no
side effects.

[Nadegda]

on 9/18/2012, Adam H. Kerman supposed :

Correct, Mr. Kerman.

[The Doctor]

In article <k38lm1$buj$3...@news.albasani.net>,

Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

In this case they volunteered to 'stop a war'.

[Nadegda]

The Doctor formulated the question :

> In article <k38lm1$buj$3...@news.albasani.net>,
> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>> Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Back to Doctor Who, the gunslinger was like one of the US soldiers who
>>>>>> suffered from radiation sickness (before the inevitable death) after the
>>>>>> early nuclear experiments. Was it mentioned if the gunslinger had
>>>>>> volunteered to become a cyborg?
>>
>>>>> POint well taken Mike. The gunslinger was a volunteer to end a war.
>>>> From what I can remember of the episode, the gunslinger was emphatically
>>>> /not/ a volunteer.
>>
>>> Yes he was:
>>
>>> Doctor Who: Jex built it. He and his team took volunteers, told them
>>> they'd be selected for 'special training' then experimented on them,
>>> fused their bodies with weaponry, and programmed them to kill.
>>
>> C'mon. They volunteered for special training, not robotization. At least
>> in Robocop's case, they experimented on his corpose... after putting him
>> into a situation in which he'd likely be killed.
>
> In this case they volunteered to 'stop a war'.

No, they did not.

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:23:22 +0000 (UTC):

> In article <b1sc589pi2dhmd2u8...@4ax.com>,
> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:11:33 +0000 (UTC):
> >>
> >> The Doctor shows MErcy to Jex and let's him depart Earth
> >> or so he thought.
> >
> >The interesting thing was that it took a wake-up call from Amy to ensure
> >that this happened. So those who'd been seeing a more vindictive and
> >less pacifist Doctor so far this series had not been imagining things.
> >
>
> After Trial of a Timelord , the doctor is heading in that direction.

Surprisingly, Rory was siding with the doctor in this one. Usually he's
also more of a pacifist himself.

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:24:23 +0000 (UTC):

> Exactly my point.

Then you probably should have stuck with rocket engineering and not gone
with human experimentation.

[The Doctor]

In article <pm8h585m6jao4h7uk...@4ax.com>,

Still Axis Scientists and SWilson does make a point
about family group intimidation.

>--
>Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
>"You will create an evil of your own making." -- Knights Templar Grandmaster Data

[The Doctor]

In article <4n8h581vqu6lncu05...@4ax.com>,

Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:23:22 +0000 (UTC):
>> In article <b1sc589pi2dhmd2u8...@4ax.com>,
>> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:11:33 +0000 (UTC):
>> >>
>> >> The Doctor shows MErcy to Jex and let's him depart Earth
>> >> or so he thought.
>> >
>> >The interesting thing was that it took a wake-up call from Amy to ensure
>> >that this happened. So those who'd been seeing a more vindictive and
>> >less pacifist Doctor so far this series had not been imagining things.
>> >
>>
>> After Trial of a Timelord , the doctor is heading in that direction.
>
>Surprisingly, Rory was siding with the doctor in this one. Usually he's
>also more of a pacifist himself.

Well Rory wil get more and more internesting for the next 2.

>
>--
>Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
>"You will create an evil of your own making." -- Knights Templar Grandmaster Data

[Ken Arromdee]

I thought that that was one of the lamest war criminals I've seen.

Yeah, nobody would like being turned into a cyborg. But nobody would like
being drafted and getting told "we want you to take that hill so we can
win the war. By the way, this is a suicide mission and if you survive you'll
probably have your arms and legs blown off". Yet doing that isn't a war
crime. He didn't make cyborgs out of captured enemies, nor did he make
cyborgs as a form of torture or punishment. He did it to win the war
and as a result, destroyed the lives of people on his own side--which is
pretty much how winning a war works. And cyborgs come out of the war able
to walk and talk and healthy enough to last a hundred years, which many
conscripts do not.

I suppose you could argue that he lied to his volunteers, but that can't be
a war crime by itself (he could have used conscripts, which wouldn't have
made it any better but which is obviously allowed).

The episode also should have ended halfway through. The guy was willing to
go outside and get himself killed out of shame for his war activities. The
cyborg then hits the wrong man and we spend half the episode before... the
guy goes outside and gets himself killed out of shame for his war activities.

Also, what's this about the Doctor not killing when he basically sent a man to
his death in the previous episode and no companions complained about it?
--
Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee

Obi-wan Kenobi: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no 'try'."

[The Doctor]

In article <k3asqn$i2q$1...@blue-new.rahul.net>,

Ken Arromdee <arro...@rahul.net> wrote:
>I thought that that was one of the lamest war criminals I've seen.
>
>Yeah, nobody would like being turned into a cyborg. But nobody would like
>being drafted and getting told "we want you to take that hill so we can
>win the war. By the way, this is a suicide mission and if you survive you'll
>probably have your arms and legs blown off". Yet doing that isn't a war
>crime. He didn't make cyborgs out of captured enemies, nor did he make
>cyborgs as a form of torture or punishment. He did it to win the war
>and as a result, destroyed the lives of people on his own side--which is
>pretty much how winning a war works. And cyborgs come out of the war able
>to walk and talk and healthy enough to last a hundred years, which many
>conscripts do not.
>
>I suppose you could argue that he lied to his volunteers, but that can't be
>a war crime by itself (he could have used conscripts, which wouldn't have
>made it any better but which is obviously allowed).
>
>The episode also should have ended halfway through. The guy was willing to
>go outside and get himself killed out of shame for his war activities. The
>cyborg then hits the wrong man and we spend half the episode before... the
>guy goes outside and gets himself killed out of shame for his war activities.
>

So how many known scientific war criminals did this?

>Also, what's this about the Doctor not killing when he basically sent a man to
>his death in the previous episode and no companions complained about it?

Missiles aimed at you, what do you do?

>--
> Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee
>
>Obi-wan Kenobi: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
>Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no 'try'."

[Mike Hall]

On 18/09/2012 22:29, The Doctor wrote:

> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

>> Surprisingly, Rory was siding with the doctor in this one. Usually he's
>> also more of a pacifist himself.
>
> Well Rory wil get more and more internesting for the next 2.

Will he die again? He hasn't been dead or purged from history for ages now!


Mike Hall

[The Doctor]

In article <Fui6s.533218$5o4.4...@fx23.am4>,

Well that is from his debut season, and then got rebooted.

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

"Ken Arromdee" <arro...@rahul.net> wrote in message
news:k3asqn$i2q$1...@blue-new.rahul.net...

> I suppose you could argue that he lied to his volunteers, but that can't
> be
> a war crime by itself (he could have used conscripts, which wouldn't have
> made it any better but which is obviously allowed).

There are plenty of people who tell lies to prop up their vanity.

If you see the Buddha on the road kill him...

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[Jim G.]

Johan de Koning sent the following on Tue, 18 Sep 2012 03:53:05 GMT:

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. Yes, the Sovs had Sputnik
and Gagarin, but those were two of the very few wins in their column. In
the end, we could have set up camp on the moon and dominated the scene
for *decades* if we had wanted to. Heck, we've *still* dominated, even
without a moon colony.

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC):

What does intimidation have to do with this?

--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI

"Get down off the cross. We need the wood." -- Pete Latimer, WAREHOUSE 13

[The Doctor]

In article <1vim58t5uhndc1jpl...@4ax.com>,

It is effective to get poeple to work esp when resistence is crushed.

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:12:40 +0000 (UTC):

Intimidation was irrelevant. Those facing war crimes charges had bigger
worries, and those hustled away to work on rockets were too busy
enjoying their new country and new jobs. Heck, the ones who came here
knew that the alternative would have been to be "volunteered" to work in
the Soviet program, so they were *thrilled* to be here. "Welcome to
Huntsville, Gunter!" and all that...

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre

"Get down off the cross. We need the wood."

-- Pete Lattimer, WAREHOUSE 13

[The Doctor]

In article <o74p58p8g7r30cmr5...@4ax.com>,

Well the Germans pre 1933 did whatever they were told or else.

>--
>Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
>"Get down off the cross. We need the wood."
>-- Pete Lattimer, WAREHOUSE 13

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC):

> In article <o74p58p8g7r30cmr5...@4ax.com>,
> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >The Doctor sent the following on Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:12:40 +0000 (UTC):
> >> In article <1vim58t5uhndc1jpl...@4ax.com>,
> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC):
> >> >> In article <pm8h585m6jao4h7uk...@4ax.com>,
> >> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:24:23 +0000 (UTC):
> >> >> >> In article <t1sc589tj9fsq9peu...@4ax.com>,
> >> >> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:49:43 +0000 (UTC):

> >> >> >> >> At the end of WWII why were Axis scientists not branded as
> >> >> >> >> war criminals?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >They generally were, actually--unless they had rocket skills and could
> >> >> >> >help us to conquer space before the Russkies could do it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Exactly my point.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Then you probably should have stuck with rocket engineering and not gone
> >> >> >with human experimentation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Still Axis Scientists and SWilson does make a point
> >> >> about family group intimidation.
> >> >
> >> >What does intimidation have to do with this?
> >> >
> >> It is effective to get poeple to work esp when resistence is crushed.
> >
> >Intimidation was irrelevant. Those facing war crimes charges had bigger
> >worries, and those hustled away to work on rockets were too busy
> >enjoying their new country and new jobs. Heck, the ones who came here
> >knew that the alternative would have been to be "volunteered" to work in
> >the Soviet program, so they were *thrilled* to be here. "Welcome to
> >Huntsville, Gunter!" and all that...
> >
> Well the Germans pre 1933 did whatever they were told or else.

Or they just left, as Einstein did. Those who stuck around *wanted* to
stick around, even though many of them tried to spin it as something
else at Nuremberg, and whatnot. Yes, it eventually got to the point
where pretty much everyone was locked down, both scientists and
non-scientists, but that didn't come until years after 1933.

[David Barnett]

In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
>
> I say 9/10.
<Snip spoilers)

You must love Doctor Who as you give it 9/10 every
episode.
I generously only give it 7/10.

Unlike what I said about the previous episode this was not
a mishmash, and it had cohesion.

This episode was aired last night here.

Now to get thru the other 100+ posts!


--
David Barnett

[The Doctor]

In article <r83s589co3dksj44a...@4ax.com>,

Albert knew when to leave.

[The Doctor]

In article <MPG.2ac8cad6a...@news.bigpond.com>,

Everyone get a chance to have their say.

Mind you Bad Doctor Who like Love and Monsters and Midnight
gets less than 5/10 .

>
>--
>David Barnett

[Dano]

"David Barnett" wrote in message
news:MPG.2ac8cad6a...@news.bigpond.com...

In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
>
> I say 9/10.
<Snip spoilers)

You must love Doctor Who as you give it 9/10 every
episode.

=================================

Was that really your FIRST clue? :-)

[The Doctor]

Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.

[Dano]

"David Barnett" wrote in message
news:MPG.2ac8cad6a...@news.bigpond.com...

In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
>
> I say 9/10.
<Snip spoilers)

You must love Doctor Who as you give it 9/10 every
episode.
I generously only give it 7/10.

Unlike what I said about the previous episode this was not
a mishmash, and it had cohesion.

This episode was aired last night here.

====================================

Good to see Ben Browder again. Had to look it up to see for sure it was
him.

Thought it was a solid stand alone episode that further illuminated the
Doctor's personal crisis of conscience.

[MDS]

The Doctor wrote:
>
> In article <k3lblj$vo5$1...@dont-email.me>, Dano <janea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"David Barnett" wrote in message
> >news:MPG.2ac8cad6a...@news.bigpond.com...
> >
> >In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> >doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
> >>
> >> I say 9/10.
> ><Snip spoilers)
> >
> >You must love Doctor Who as you give it 9/10 every
> >episode.
> >
> >=================================
> >
> >Was that really your FIRST clue? :-)
> >
> >
>
> Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.

You really think Midnight and Gridlock are bad? They're not my
favorites, but I wouldn't call them trash either.



--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

[The Doctor]

And then tonight is Power of 3.

[The Doctor]

Midnight is just horrible. Not a way to write a script.
In the last half it ends up being a pantomime.

Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
and this becomes extrememly offensive.

[MDS]

The Doctor wrote:
>
> In article <505E32...@RADW.USENET>, MDS <M...@RADW.USENET> wrote:
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <k3lblj$vo5$1...@dont-email.me>, Dano <janea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >"David Barnett" wrote in message
> >> >news:MPG.2ac8cad6a...@news.bigpond.com...
> >> >
> >> >In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> >> >doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
> >> >>
> >> >> I say 9/10.
> >> ><Snip spoilers)
> >> >
> >> >You must love Doctor Who as you give it 9/10 every
> >> >episode.
> >> >
> >> >=================================
> >> >
> >> >Was that really your FIRST clue? :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.
> >
> >
> >You really think Midnight and Gridlock are bad? They're not my
> >favorites, but I wouldn't call them trash either.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>
> Midnight is just horrible. Not a way to write a script.
> In the last half it ends up being a pantomime.

I thought the build-up to that possessed woman speaking before the
Doctor made that moment rather chilling. And it's utterly believable
that so many people would be willing to sacrifice a complete stranger.

>
> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
> and this becomes extrememly offensive.

IIRC, Christians loved Gridlock precisely because RTD's attempt to mock
them backfired, and it pissed off atheists who didn't like knowing that
Chrtistianity was alive and well on New Earth, 5 billion years in the
future.

[The Doctor]

The next one Turn Right makes more sense.

>
>>
>> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
>> and this becomes extrememly offensive.
>
>
>
>IIRC, Christians loved Gridlock precisely because RTD's attempt to mock
>them backfired, and it pissed off atheists who didn't like knowing that
>Chrtistianity was alive and well on New Earth, 5 billion years in the
>future.
>

or anti-Christians. Still RTD's mockery on Christianity does leave a sour
taste in my mouth.

>
>--
>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

[MDS]

Do you mean Turn Left?

>
> >
> >>
> >> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
> >> and this becomes extrememly offensive.
> >
> >
> >
> >IIRC, Christians loved Gridlock precisely because RTD's attempt to mock
> >them backfired, and it pissed off atheists who didn't like knowing that
> >Chrtistianity was alive and well on New Earth, 5 billion years in the
> >future.
> >
>
> or anti-Christians. Still RTD's mockery on Christianity does leave a sour
> taste in my mouth.
> >
> >--
> >MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>
> --
> Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
> God,Queen and country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
> http://www.fullyfollow.me/rootnl2k
> USA petition to dissolve the Republic and vote to disoolve it in November 2012

[The Doctor]

My mistake.

[Jerry Brown]

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:53:16 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:

>In article <k3lbp8$j4$1...@dont-email.me>, Dano <janea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>"David Barnett" wrote in message
>>news:MPG.2ac8cad6a...@news.bigpond.com...
>>
>>In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>>doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
>>>
>>> I say 9/10.
>><Snip spoilers)
>>
>>You must love Doctor Who as you give it 9/10 every
>>episode.
>>I generously only give it 7/10.
>>
>>Unlike what I said about the previous episode this was not
>>a mishmash, and it had cohesion.
>>
>>This episode was aired last night here.
>>
>>====================================
>>
>>Good to see Ben Browder again. Had to look it up to see for sure it was
>>him.
>>
>>Thought it was a solid stand alone episode that further illuminated the
>>Doctor's personal crisis of conscience.
>>
>
>And then tonight is Power of 3.

It felt like an RTD-era script rewritten for the current Doctor.

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

[The Doctor]

In article <q0hs58pd2da4ssoh7...@jwbrown.co.uk>,

All right, one has to recall Moffat started with RTD.

[MDS]

A lot of people have been saying this.

[The Doctor]

Chibnall was there with RTD and Moffat.

[Jerry Brown]

Snarking aside, I'm wondering if it's actually the case. ISTR some of
Davison's early scripts were revamped from ones intended for TBaker.

[Stephen Wilson]

"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:k3lc31$qsp$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...

>>> >
>>>
>>> Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.
>>
>>
>>You really think Midnight and Gridlock are bad? They're not my
>>favorites, but I wouldn't call them trash either.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>
> Midnight is just horrible. Not a way to write a script.
> In the last half it ends up being a pantomime.

Midnight was a good story. No sign of any pantomime in it.

> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
> and this becomes extrememly offensive.

You keep saying that, yet still haven't explained exactly how you think
Christianity was mocked.

[The Doctor]

In article <uRE7s.188406$Zn3.1...@fx28.am4>,

Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:k3lc31$qsp$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.
>>>
>>>
>>>You really think Midnight and Gridlock are bad? They're not my
>>>favorites, but I wouldn't call them trash either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>>
>> Midnight is just horrible. Not a way to write a script.
>> In the last half it ends up being a pantomime.
>
>Midnight was a good story. No sign of any pantomime in it.

You could not tell a pantomime even if you saw one.

>
>> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
>> and this becomes extrememly offensive.
>
>You keep saying that, yet still haven't explained exactly how you think
>Christianity was mocked.
>
>

You mean with the hymn signing and no hope and no heart being put in it.
Mind you MDS disagrees and I am seeing his view.

[Stephen Wilson]

"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message

news:k3nvdn$mi3$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...

> In article <uRE7s.188406$Zn3.1...@fx28.am4>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:k3lc31$qsp$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You really think Midnight and Gridlock are bad? They're not my
>>>>favorites, but I wouldn't call them trash either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>>>
>>> Midnight is just horrible. Not a way to write a script.
>>> In the last half it ends up being a pantomime.
>>
>>Midnight was a good story. No sign of any pantomime in it.
>
> You could not tell a pantomime even if you saw one.

Oh yes I could!

>>
>>> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
>>> and this becomes extrememly offensive.
>>
>>You keep saying that, yet still haven't explained exactly how you think
>>Christianity was mocked.
>>
>>
> You mean with the hymn signing and no hope and no heart being put in it.
> Mind you MDS disagrees and I am seeing his view.

No, I don't mean the hymn singing. But seeing as you mentioned it, why does
a hymn show Christianity being mocked?
No hope? Where? What's that got to do with Gridlock and Christianity being
mocked?
No heart? Where? What's that got to do with Gridlock and Christianity being
mocked?

[The Doctor]

In article <wwL7s.122773$nB1.1...@fx06.am4>,

Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:k3nvdn$mi3$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <uRE7s.188406$Zn3.1...@fx28.am4>,
>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:k3lc31$qsp$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You really think Midnight and Gridlock are bad? They're not my
>>>>>favorites, but I wouldn't call them trash either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>>>>
>>>> Midnight is just horrible. Not a way to write a script.
>>>> In the last half it ends up being a pantomime.
>>>
>>>Midnight was a good story. No sign of any pantomime in it.
>>
>> You could not tell a pantomime even if you saw one.
>
>Oh yes I could!
>

IF you did you would loathe Midnight for its sad scripting.

>>>
>>>> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
>>>> and this becomes extrememly offensive.
>>>
>>>You keep saying that, yet still haven't explained exactly how you think
>>>Christianity was mocked.
>>>
>>>
>> You mean with the hymn signing and no hope and no heart being put in it.
>> Mind you MDS disagrees and I am seeing his view.
>
>No, I don't mean the hymn singing. But seeing as you mentioned it, why does
>a hymn show Christianity being mocked?
>No hope? Where? What's that got to do with Gridlock and Christianity being
>mocked?
>No heart? Where? What's that got to do with Gridlock and Christianity being
>mocked?
>
>

Not in the Gridlock how meaninglessly everything is existing.

[Stephen Wilson]

"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message

news:k3o0ff$pve$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...

> In article <wwL7s.122773$nB1.1...@fx06.am4>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:k3nvdn$mi3$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> In article <uRE7s.188406$Zn3.1...@fx28.am4>,
>>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:k3lc31$qsp$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You really think Midnight and Gridlock are bad? They're not my
>>>>>>favorites, but I wouldn't call them trash either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>>>>>
>>>>> Midnight is just horrible. Not a way to write a script.
>>>>> In the last half it ends up being a pantomime.
>>>>
>>>>Midnight was a good story. No sign of any pantomime in it.
>>>
>>> You could not tell a pantomime even if you saw one.
>>
>>Oh yes I could!
>>
>
> IF you did you would loathe Midnight for its sad scripting.

It's behind you Yads.

>>>>
>>>>> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
>>>>> and this becomes extrememly offensive.
>>>>
>>>>You keep saying that, yet still haven't explained exactly how you think
>>>>Christianity was mocked.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You mean with the hymn signing and no hope and no heart being put in it.
>>> Mind you MDS disagrees and I am seeing his view.
>>
>>No, I don't mean the hymn singing. But seeing as you mentioned it, why
>>does
>>a hymn show Christianity being mocked?
>>No hope? Where? What's that got to do with Gridlock and Christianity being
>>mocked?
>>No heart? Where? What's that got to do with Gridlock and Christianity
>>being
>>mocked?
>>
>>
>
> Not in the Gridlock how meaninglessly everything is existing.

Huh? You've really got nothing to say about the story. You condemn it for
mocking Christianity but still haven't explained how you reached that
conclusion. There were a couple of hymns - so what? Have you got any idea at
all what it was about?

For that matter, have you ever even read the words of Abide With Me? Here's
verse 2:
"Swift to its close ebbs out life's little day;
Earth's joys grow dim; its glories pass away;
Change and decay in all around I see;
O Thou who changest not, abide with me."

Talk about no hope! And there it is in spades in one of your precious
Christian hymns.

[MDS]

The Doctor wrote:
>
> In article <uRE7s.188406$Zn3.1...@fx28.am4>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >news:k3lc31$qsp$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Loe and Monsters and Midnight and Gridlock are trash.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You really think Midnight and Gridlock are bad? They're not my
> >>>favorites, but I wouldn't call them trash either.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
> >>
> >> Midnight is just horrible. Not a way to write a script.
> >> In the last half it ends up being a pantomime.
> >
> >Midnight was a good story. No sign of any pantomime in it.
>
> You could not tell a pantomime even if you saw one.
>
> >
> >> Gridlock is blaphemous. RTD view on religion does come out
> >> and this becomes extrememly offensive.
> >
> >You keep saying that, yet still haven't explained exactly how you think
> >Christianity was mocked.
> >
> >
> You mean with the hymn signing and no hope and no heart being put in it.
> Mind you MDS disagrees and I am seeing his view.
>

No heart? Even Martha was weepy at the end of the hymn.

[The Doctor]

Was she singing. Mind you the Doctor has to confess about Gallifrey.

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC):

My point is that he had a choice for a long time, as they all did. As
someone with a ton of German (Bavarian) heritage, I'm well aware of the
excuses that have been made over the decades by (and for) those who
chose to stay behind, whether they actively backed Hitler or simply
looked the other way. But any way you cut it, to suggest that any German
was a prisoner of sorts in 1933 would be terribly wrong, but extremely
convenient for those who are still trying to make excuses for their
German grandparents and whatnot.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"Get down off the cross. We need the wood." -- Pete Lattimer, WAREHOUSE 13

[The Doctor]

In article <3e7168pfii5j13v3o...@4ax.com>,

Apart from Jews who else was arrested by the Nazis in Geramny?

[Jim G.]

The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:16:53 +0000 (UTC):

You need to pick an argument and stick with it. You've gone from (a)
being intimidated and (b) unable to leave and (c) doing what you're told
or else to (d) only the Jews were bothered or arrested over any of it.

In any case, to answer your question, those who aided the Jews did not
fare too well, either. Those in the media who reported honestly on
events did not fare too well. Those who voiced any opposition to Hitler
and his goons did not fare too well. And on and on. But those people
*could* have left for a long time before the lockdown.

[The Doctor]

In article <chine.bleu-8EE85...@news.eternal-september.org>,

An tSin Gorm <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <r83s589co3dksj44a...@4ax.com>,
> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > >Intimidation was irrelevant. Those facing war crimes charges had bigger
>> > >worries, and those hustled away to work on rockets were too busy
>> > >enjoying their new country and new jobs. Heck, the ones who came here
>> > >knew that the alternative would have been to be "volunteered" to work in
>> > >the Soviet program, so they were *thrilled* to be here. "Welcome to
>> > >Huntsville, Gunter!" and all that...
>> > >
>> > Well the Germans pre 1933 did whatever they were told or else.
>>
>> Or they just left, as Einstein did. Those who stuck around *wanted* to
>> stick around, even though many of them tried to spin it as something
>> else at Nuremberg, and whatnot. Yes, it eventually got to the point
>> where pretty much everyone was locked down, both scientists and
>> non-scientists, but that didn't come until years after 1933.
>

>Or, other than conscripts, they just went about their lives. It was a country
>run as a criminal gang, so people who wanted to could do great evil; people who
>wanted to obey laws still on the books could. Enough people volunteered to
>commit war crimes that it wasn't necessary to force others to join.
>

Some do need help.

[The Doctor]

In article <chine.bleu-502B2...@news.eternal-september.org>,

An tSin Gorm <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <MPG.2ac8cad6a...@news.bigpond.com>,

> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> In article <k33g15$9sq$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
>> >
>> > I say 9/10.
>> <Snip spoilers)
>>
>> You must love Doctor Who as you give it 9/10 every
>> episode.
>> I generously only give it 7/10.
>>
>> Unlike what I said about the previous episode this was not
>> a mishmash, and it had cohesion.
>>
>> This episode was aired last night here.
>>

>> Now to get thru the other 100+ posts!
>
>There's a saying that the worst day of fishing is better than the best day of
>working.
>

There are those work work for fish.