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Re: THE 47% QUOTE AND THE HURRICANE SANDY CONNECTION
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George Plimpton
Nov 3, 2012, 7:43:25 PM11/3/12
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On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane victims.
Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane victims.
Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
SpambustR
Nov 3, 2012, 10:46:43 PM11/3/12
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SPAMMED TO NON-RELEVANT NEWSGROUPS - AND CUT
Tom
Nov 3, 2012, 10:52:40 PM11/3/12
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Sandy...
Which position is he right about?
Tom
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 1:05:18 AM11/4/12
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Please also show how FEMA "takes care" of people.
SpambustR
Nov 4, 2012, 1:09:03 AM11/4/12
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On 03/11/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>
> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>
Dano
Nov 4, 2012, 1:04:57 AM11/4/12
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"Tom" wrote in message
news:edeadb0b-39d9-4115...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
===================================
Glad he calls Mitt "Governor". Reminds all to check how popular he IS in
the state of Massachusetts he loves to take "credit" for. Check out THOSE
polls people.
news:edeadb0b-39d9-4115...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Glad he calls Mitt "Governor". Reminds all to check how popular he IS in
the state of Massachusetts he loves to take "credit" for. Check out THOSE
polls people.
Too_Many_Tools
Nov 4, 2012, 4:42:24 AM11/4/12
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TMT
Too_Many_Tools
Nov 4, 2012, 4:44:20 AM11/4/12
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Laugh..laugh..laugh...
TMT
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 8:35:56 AM11/4/12
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victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
firefighters or the army. No Coast Guard then. No food inspection. No
disease prevention centre. No courts. No prisons. No agricultural
subsidies. No foreign treaties. No garbage collection. No pensions. No
coast guard to pick up rich people off their sinking yachts.
Hey, why need a government at all??? Let private industry control it
all. It can all be done for profit and no pesky government to tell them
not to employ children 12 hours a day. No pesky government to tell them
they can't work an injured worker. No pesky government to tell the auto
industry to make their cars safer. No pesky government to help single
mothers when their deadbeat husbands run off and pay nothing. No pesky
government to pick up the bodies in the streets.
Oh wait...Somalia tried the no government thing...didn't work.
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 8:38:03 AM11/4/12
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 8:40:59 AM11/4/12
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find out which side of the issues Romney is currently on. He is an
embarrassment to the United States.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 8:43:47 AM11/4/12
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cloud dreamer wrote:
>
> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
> firefighters or the army.
preplanning did these people do? A lot of them laughed at people in the
south who keep a 'Hurricane Kit', and some called us fools. I've been
without electricity up to a month, and they are whining after a day?
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 8:47:28 AM11/4/12
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On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>
>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>> Sandy...
>
> Cite, please.
Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>
>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>> Sandy...
>
> Cite, please.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=romney+flip+flopping+on+fema&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 8:59:34 AM11/4/12
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so isn't that proof enough?
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 9:12:07 AM11/4/12
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http://www.examiner.com/article/gop-candidate-is-favor-of-the-death-penalty-for-kids-cites-biblical-passages
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cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 9:13:37 AM11/4/12
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On 04/11/2012 10:13 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>
>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>> firefighters or the army.
>
>
> What level of 'Disaster Relief' are they paying for?
If you leave it to Romney, none of you would get any disaster relief.
>
> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>
>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>> firefighters or the army.
>
>
> What level of 'Disaster Relief' are they paying for?
So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
Tuesday.
..
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 9:20:08 AM11/4/12
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Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 9:23:31 AM11/4/12
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helping others clean up, and working on my projects even though I was
limited to hand tools.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 9:24:35 AM11/4/12
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four car garage.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 9:26:56 AM11/4/12
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pursuit of ignorance.
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 9:33:31 AM11/4/12
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cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 9:34:16 AM11/4/12
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<plonk>
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 9:35:24 AM11/4/12
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 9:40:21 AM11/4/12
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> Mitt Romney Pressed On Climate Change: 'Do You Still Think The Rising Of The Seas Is Funny?'
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 9:41:26 AM11/4/12
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;]
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 9:44:11 AM11/4/12
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The simple fact of the matter, if he's too stupid to understand the
science that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that mankind is 100%
responsible for climate change, then he is too stupid to be put in
charge of a such a powerful nation.
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 9:44:20 AM11/4/12
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them as losers on the internet? You are really, really confused if you
think this doesn't make you look like an asshole.
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 9:46:30 AM11/4/12
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Previously, the brain trust known as "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> Yawn. Yet another missed shot from the cheap seats.
Michael, it occurs to me that you're a hypocrite and an idiot. Agree or
> Yawn. Yet another missed shot from the cheap seats.
disagree?
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 10:02:49 AM11/4/12
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stupid to even consider that fact.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 10:05:18 AM11/4/12
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around here aren't stupid enough to wait for 'I'm from the government,
and I'm here to help'.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 10:05:56 AM11/4/12
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Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 10:07:07 AM11/4/12
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cloud dreamer wrote:
>
> Another flip flop.
>
> The simple fact of the matter, if he's too stupid to understand the
> science that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that mankind is 100%
> responsible for climate change, then he is too stupid to be put in
> charge of a such a powerful nation.
exterminate them to stop Glowball warming?
AC
Nov 4, 2012, 10:08:16 AM11/4/12
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George Plimpton wrote:
> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>
>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
>> victims.
>
> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>
Time to ditch your legal system, police and military then.
> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>
>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
>> victims.
>
> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>
--
AC
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 10:12:17 AM11/4/12
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More likely, it's time for the sun to set on what's left of the
British Empire, starting with London.
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 11:07:55 AM11/4/12
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the power to "care for" citizens enumerated? The government may only do
those things the Constitution says it may do. Where in the Constitution
does it confer a power to "care for" victims on any branch of government?
You fucking idiot.
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 11:14:29 AM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 5:35 AM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 12:22 AM, Tom wrote:
Wrong. First of all, the Constitution *specifically* authorizes
Congress to raise and maintain an army, and the Coast Guard clearly is
part of defending the country and regulating foreign trade. Roads,
police and firefighters are provided by state and local governments, not
the federal government, but even if the federal government undertook
those actions, it could constitutionally do so under the *general*
welfare clause: *all* citizens generally benefit from those, or could.
When the government pays to rebuild someone's house that was built too
close to the shoreline, that is not the general welfare.
We institute government in this country to defend the nation and to
enforce the mutually agreed rules of society so that we may go about our
business, and those rules do not include coerced help for storm victims
> On 04/11/2012 12:22 AM, Tom wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>
>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>
>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>> Sandy...
>>
>> Which position is he right about?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>
>
>> Sandy...
>>
>> Which position is he right about?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>
>
> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
> firefighters or the army. No Coast Guard then.
> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
Wrong. First of all, the Constitution *specifically* authorizes
Congress to raise and maintain an army, and the Coast Guard clearly is
part of defending the country and regulating foreign trade. Roads,
police and firefighters are provided by state and local governments, not
the federal government, but even if the federal government undertook
those actions, it could constitutionally do so under the *general*
welfare clause: *all* citizens generally benefit from those, or could.
When the government pays to rebuild someone's house that was built too
close to the shoreline, that is not the general welfare.
We institute government in this country to defend the nation and to
enforce the mutually agreed rules of society so that we may go about our
business, and those rules do not include coerced help for storm victims
or any other kind of victim.
It is not the government's job to "care for" victims of anything.
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 11:22:02 AM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 5:47 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>
>>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>>> Sandy...
>>
>> Cite, please.
>
>
> Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
You lied, of course, "comrade" - not a single one of those shows Gov.
> On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>
>>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>>> Sandy...
>>
>> Cite, please.
>
>
> Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
Romney giving <chortle> "full-throated support to FEMA."
Verminous left-wing shitbags like you always lie. How would you like a
fist in the face for lying, you squat-to-piss homo liar?
Tom Gardner
Nov 4, 2012, 2:06:00 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 10:02 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> Whoosh, indeed. Not everyone lives in a flood plain, but you're to
> stupid to even consider that fact.
>
Isn't it interesting how libtards run away like roaches in the light?
>
> Whoosh, indeed. Not everyone lives in a flood plain, but you're to
> stupid to even consider that fact.
>
Saying they have the intelligence of roaches is an insult...to roaches!
Tom Gardner
Nov 4, 2012, 2:08:50 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 8:40 AM, trotsky wrote:
> find out which side of the issues Obammy is currently on. He is an
> On 11/3/12 9:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>
>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>> Sandy...
>>
>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>
>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>> Sandy...
>>
>> Which position is he right about?
>
>
> I feel bad for these guys--they need a teleprompter so they can
>
>
> find out which side of the issues Obammy is currently on. He is an
Tom Gardner
Nov 4, 2012, 2:10:23 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 9:26 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
>
> YOUR 'constitution' gives you the right to Life, Liberalism & The
> pursuit of ignorance.
HE FOUND IT! HE FOUND IT!
>
>
> YOUR 'constitution' gives you the right to Life, Liberalism & The
> pursuit of ignorance.
BTR1701
Nov 4, 2012, 2:00:17 PM11/4/12
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In article <ksadnQQmnuOm8gvN...@supernews.com>,
It doesn't mandate the federal government to pave roads, maintain
police, or relieve disaster areas. Per the 10th Amendment, those duties
are properly left to the states.
> No Coast Guard then.
Coast Guard is constitutionally provided for.
> No food inspection. No disease prevention centre. No courts.
> No prisons.
All matters of state jurisdiction.
> No agricultural subsidies.
Probably for the best.
> No foreign treaties.
Constitutionally provided for.
> No garbage collection. No pensions.
All matters of state jurisdiction.
> No coast guard to pick up rich people off their sinking yachts.
Coast Guard is constitutionally provided for. And you already mentioned
the Coast Guard, clod. Why are you repeating yourself?
cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
> firefighters or the army.
The Constitution mandates the federal government maintain an army/navy.
> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
> firefighters or the army.
It doesn't mandate the federal government to pave roads, maintain
police, or relieve disaster areas. Per the 10th Amendment, those duties
are properly left to the states.
> No Coast Guard then.
Coast Guard is constitutionally provided for.
> No food inspection. No disease prevention centre. No courts.
> No prisons.
All matters of state jurisdiction.
> No agricultural subsidies.
Probably for the best.
> No foreign treaties.
Constitutionally provided for.
> No garbage collection. No pensions.
All matters of state jurisdiction.
> No coast guard to pick up rich people off their sinking yachts.
Coast Guard is constitutionally provided for. And you already mentioned
the Coast Guard, clod. Why are you repeating yourself?
BTR1701
Nov 4, 2012, 2:01:44 PM11/4/12
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In article <ksadnQYmnuON5QvN...@supernews.com>,
must have been 'stolen'.
cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
> If you leave it to Romney, none of you would get any disaster relief.
> So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
> Tuesday.
I love how libs just assume that if the Dems don't win an election, it
> If you leave it to Romney, none of you would get any disaster relief.
> So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
> Tuesday.
must have been 'stolen'.
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:18:23 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/12 10:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 11/4/2012 5:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
>>>> victims.
>>>
>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>>
>> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
>
> Wrong question, "comrade". You tell us: where in the Constitution is
> the power to "care for" citizens enumerated?
I think it's very hard to misconstrue "life, liberty, and the pursuit of
> On 11/4/2012 5:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
>>>> victims.
>>>
>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>>
>> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
>
> Wrong question, "comrade". You tell us: where in the Constitution is
> the power to "care for" citizens enumerated?
happiness". It is the governments responsibility to prevent the
citizens from losing their lives, so clearly FEMA speaks directly to
that. "Live and let die", the GOP's unwritten mantra, is anti-American.
When you talk about the freedoms we are supposed to have, the
Republicans are the most unpatriotic group of people in the nation.
"Fuck off and die" is not what the Constitution is about.
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:20:31 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/12 10:22 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 11/4/2012 5:47 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>>
>>>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>>>> Sandy...
>>>
>>> Cite, please.
>>
>>
>> Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
>
> You lied, of course, "comrade" - not a single one of those shows Gov.
> Romney giving <chortle> "full-throated support to FEMA."
I'm sorry, shit for brains, but what is "full throated support of FEMA"
> On 11/4/2012 5:47 AM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>>
>>>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>>>> Sandy...
>>>
>>> Cite, please.
>>
>>
>> Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
>
> You lied, of course, "comrade" - not a single one of those shows Gov.
> Romney giving <chortle> "full-throated support to FEMA."
a quote from? I mean, if you want to pull things out of your ass and
not discuss the topic like an intelligent and rational human being,
could you just let me know?
TIA.
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 4:23:59 PM11/4/12
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The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people,
whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so
well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
--July 1, 1854
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:24:01 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/12 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ksadnQQmnuOm8gvN...@supernews.com>,
> cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>
>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>> firefighters or the army.
>
> The Constitution mandates the federal government maintain an army/navy.
> It doesn't mandate the federal government to pave roads, maintain
> police, or relieve disaster areas.
Perhaps "promote general welfare" means something else, then?
> In article <ksadnQQmnuOm8gvN...@supernews.com>,
> cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>
>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>> firefighters or the army.
>
> The Constitution mandates the federal government maintain an army/navy.
> It doesn't mandate the federal government to pave roads, maintain
> police, or relieve disaster areas.
> We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:24:43 PM11/4/12
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:25:36 PM11/4/12
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:29:07 PM11/4/12
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quote, which you should've shown in your post but didn't. He's right,
of course:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/romney-disaster-relief-fema-sandy.php
> “I believe that FEMA plays a key role in working with states and localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters,” Romney said in a statement from his campaign. “As president, I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs to fulfill its mission, while directing maximum resources to the first responders who work tirelessly to help those in need, because states and localities are in the best position to get aid to the individuals and communities affected by natural disasters.”
If you've got a different way to summarize the above paragraph, you
should bullshit your way through it.
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 4:30:00 PM11/4/12
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post-election job possibilities.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/03/leaked-ryan-post-election-job-plans-dont-mention-vice-presidency/
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:30:10 PM11/4/12
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:37:17 PM11/4/12
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Cheney or Rove quote to counter.
BTR1701
Nov 4, 2012, 3:37:14 PM11/4/12
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In article <4u6dnaQhpaJsQQvN...@mchsi.com>,
You didn't even quote the right General Welfare clause, you
Cheeto-stained ignoramus. That's the Preamble, which the Supreme Court
has held to merely be introductory language and has no legal weight or
effect. Go into court and cite the Preamble as the basis for your claim
and see how far that gets you.
The *correct* General Welfare clause, which you should have cited if you
had even a basic knowledge of the Constitution is found in Article I,
Section 8:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes,
duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide
for the common defense and general welfare of the United
States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States
However, even this doesn't get you a win, because that General Welfare
clause was ruled long ago to be limited to Congress's power to impose
taxes (i.e., to levy taxes for the general welfare of the nation).
Congress cannot do whatever it likes and justify it as being in the
'general welfare' of the nation. The Court held correctly that any such
interpretation of the clause would give Congress unlimited power to do
anything, which would be in direct contravention of the text of the rest
of the Constitution and the intentions of the people who wrote it.
Cheeto-stained ignoramus. That's the Preamble, which the Supreme Court
has held to merely be introductory language and has no legal weight or
effect. Go into court and cite the Preamble as the basis for your claim
and see how far that gets you.
The *correct* General Welfare clause, which you should have cited if you
had even a basic knowledge of the Constitution is found in Article I,
Section 8:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes,
duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide
for the common defense and general welfare of the United
States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States
However, even this doesn't get you a win, because that General Welfare
clause was ruled long ago to be limited to Congress's power to impose
taxes (i.e., to levy taxes for the general welfare of the nation).
Congress cannot do whatever it likes and justify it as being in the
'general welfare' of the nation. The Court held correctly that any such
interpretation of the clause would give Congress unlimited power to do
anything, which would be in direct contravention of the text of the rest
of the Constitution and the intentions of the people who wrote it.
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 4:38:53 PM11/4/12
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BTR1701
Nov 4, 2012, 3:38:59 PM11/4/12
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In article <4u6dnaohpaICRgvN...@mchsi.com>,
important historical document, but has no legal authority.
trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
> On 11/4/12 10:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> > On 11/4/2012 5:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
> >> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
> >>>> victims.
> >>>
> >>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
> >>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
> >>
> >>
> >> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
> >
> > Wrong question, "comrade". You tell us: where in the Constitution is
> > the power to "care for" citizens enumerated?
> I think it's very hard to misconstrue "life, liberty, and the
> pursuit of happiness".
That's the Declaration of Independence, you corpulent moron. It's an
> On 11/4/12 10:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> > On 11/4/2012 5:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
> >> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
> >>>> victims.
> >>>
> >>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
> >>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
> >>
> >>
> >> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
> >
> > Wrong question, "comrade". You tell us: where in the Constitution is
> > the power to "care for" citizens enumerated?
> I think it's very hard to misconstrue "life, liberty, and the
> pursuit of happiness".
important historical document, but has no legal authority.
Dano
Nov 4, 2012, 4:38:55 PM11/4/12
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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
news:xuGdnZUqmaABIQvN...@giganews.com...
============================================
You sure know how to find your way into a kill file fella!
Better accommodations than your usual roach motel.
news:xuGdnZUqmaABIQvN...@giganews.com...
You sure know how to find your way into a kill file fella!
Better accommodations than your usual roach motel.
BTR1701
Nov 4, 2012, 3:41:07 PM11/4/12
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In article <vIudnfj8Tp9wQQvN...@supernews.com>,
of a small federal government and for the state and local governments to
do be the primary governmental entities vis a vis the citizens.
Once again, clod, you conveniently only tell half the story.
cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
> From a guy named Lincoln:
>
> The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people,
> whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so
> well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
> --July 1, 1854
But not necessarily the federal government. Lincoln was a big proponent
> From a guy named Lincoln:
>
> The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people,
> whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so
> well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
> --July 1, 1854
of a small federal government and for the state and local governments to
do be the primary governmental entities vis a vis the citizens.
Once again, clod, you conveniently only tell half the story.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 4:45:36 PM11/4/12
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Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 4:48:10 PM11/4/12
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trotsky wrote:
>
> Retard alert.
No need to keep announcing yourself.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 4:48:40 PM11/4/12
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Tom
Nov 4, 2012, 4:56:30 PM11/4/12
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On Nov 3, 11:05 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>
> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>
> > On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> >> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>
> >>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane victims.
>
> >> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
> >> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>
> >> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>
> >>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane victims.
>
> >> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
> >> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>
> > But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
> > Sandy...
>
> Cite, please.
>
> Please also show how FEMA "takes care" of people.
> > Sandy...
>
> Cite, please.
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/01/mitt-romney-responds-to-fema-question/
“I believe that FEMA plays a key role in working with states and
localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters,” Romney
fulfill its mission, while directing maximum resources to the first-
responders who work tirelessly to help those in need, because states
and localities are in the best position to get aid to the individuals
and communities affected by natural disasters.”
I didn't say FEMA "takes care" of people.
and localities are in the best position to get aid to the individuals
and communities affected by natural disasters.”
Tom
SpambustR
Nov 4, 2012, 5:48:34 PM11/4/12
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cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 6:01:16 PM11/4/12
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http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/pew-obama-re-takes-national-lead.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 6:23:45 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/12 2:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <vIudnfj8Tp9wQQvN...@supernews.com>,
> cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
>
>> From a guy named Lincoln:
>>
>> The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people,
>> whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so
>> well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
>> --July 1, 1854
>
> But not necessarily the federal government. Lincoln was a big proponent
> of a small federal government
Cite?
> In article <vIudnfj8Tp9wQQvN...@supernews.com>,
> cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
>
>> From a guy named Lincoln:
>>
>> The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people,
>> whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so
>> well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
>> --July 1, 1854
>
> But not necessarily the federal government. Lincoln was a big proponent
> of a small federal government
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 6:26:45 PM11/4/12
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it's not relevant of course.
Oops, kryptonite!
It's an
> important historical document, but has no legal authority.
we are talking about the spirit this country was founded on, per the
founding fathers. You're welcome to turn it into a legal argument if
you want, but if you are going to try and present an impassioned
treatise on how and why FEMA is illegal, you'll probably sound like even
more of an idiot than usual. Best of luck!
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 6:34:55 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 1:18 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 11/4/12 10:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 5:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
>>>>> victims.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
>>
>> Wrong question, "comrade". You tell us: where in the Constitution is
>> the power to "care for" citizens enumerated?
>
>
> I think it's very hard to misconstrue "life, liberty, and the pursuit of
> happiness".
That's not in the Constitution, "comrade". You failed.
> On 11/4/12 10:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 5:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
>>>>> victims.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
>>
>> Wrong question, "comrade". You tell us: where in the Constitution is
>> the power to "care for" citizens enumerated?
>
>
> I think it's very hard to misconstrue "life, liberty, and the pursuit of
> happiness".
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 6:36:15 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 1:20 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 11/4/12 10:22 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 5:47 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>>>>> Sandy...
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
>>
>> You lied, of course, "comrade" - not a single one of those shows Gov.
>> Romney giving <chortle> "full-throated support to FEMA."
>
>
> I'm sorry, shit for brains, but what is "full throated support of FEMA"
> a quote from?
It's right in the text above, you dumb squat-to-piss no-fight screeching
> On 11/4/12 10:22 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 5:47 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>>>>> Sandy...
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
>>
>> You lied, of course, "comrade" - not a single one of those shows Gov.
>> Romney giving <chortle> "full-throated support to FEMA."
>
>
> I'm sorry, shit for brains, but what is "full throated support of FEMA"
> a quote from?
cocksucker faggot. Your fellow left-wing fuckwit, "Tom", wrote it.
Look again, cunthair.
Some day, I'm going to bust your jaw.
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 6:37:58 PM11/4/12
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once president doesn't make him a sage. He is wrong. The *only*
legitimate activities of government are to prevent foreign attack,
protect individual liberty and preserve order. There's nothing else.
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 6:38:23 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 1:24 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 11/4/12 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <ksadnQQmnuOm8gvN...@supernews.com>,
>> cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>> firefighters or the army.
>>
>> The Constitution mandates the federal government maintain an army/navy.
>> It doesn't mandate the federal government to pave roads, maintain
>> police, or relieve disaster areas.
>
>
> Perhaps "promote general welfare" means something else, then?
It doesn't mean to help private individuals.
> On 11/4/12 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <ksadnQQmnuOm8gvN...@supernews.com>,
>> cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>> firefighters or the army.
>>
>> The Constitution mandates the federal government maintain an army/navy.
>> It doesn't mandate the federal government to pave roads, maintain
>> police, or relieve disaster areas.
>
>
> Perhaps "promote general welfare" means something else, then?
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 6:39:27 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 1:29 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 11/4/12 10:22 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 5:47 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>>>>> Sandy...
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
>>
>> You lied, of course, "comrade" - not a single one of those shows Gov.
>> Romney giving <chortle> "full-throated support to FEMA."
>>
>> Verminous left-wing shitbags like you always lie. How would you like a
>> fist in the face for lying, you squat-to-piss homo liar?
>
>
> Just to help you out, George, "full throated support of FEMA" was Tom's
> quote, which you should've shown in your post but didn't.
It did, verminous left-wing cocksucker. It's still there, too.
> On 11/4/12 10:22 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 5:47 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 11/4/12 12:05 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2012 7:52 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 3, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>>>> hurricane victims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Gov. Romney has given his full- throated support to FEMA post-
>>>>> Sandy...
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here you go, buddy: there's 278000 hits on google you can choose from.
>>
>> You lied, of course, "comrade" - not a single one of those shows Gov.
>> Romney giving <chortle> "full-throated support to FEMA."
>>
>> Verminous left-wing shitbags like you always lie. How would you like a
>> fist in the face for lying, you squat-to-piss homo liar?
>
>
> Just to help you out, George, "full throated support of FEMA" was Tom's
> quote, which you should've shown in your post but didn't.
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 6:40:23 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 1:30 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 11/4/12 1:10 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 9:26 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> YOUR 'constitution' gives you the right to Life, Liberalism & The
>>> pursuit of ignorance.
>>
>>
>> HE FOUND IT! HE FOUND IT!
>
>
> How many times is my side going to declare intellectual bankruptcy,
> On 11/4/12 1:10 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 9:26 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> YOUR 'constitution' gives you the right to Life, Liberalism & The
>>> pursuit of ignorance.
>>
>>
>> HE FOUND IT! HE FOUND IT!
>
>
> buddy?
Ceaselessly, "comrade" - ceaselessly.
George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 6:40:50 PM11/4/12
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George Plimpton
Nov 4, 2012, 6:42:40 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/2012 3:26 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 11/4/12 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <4u6dnaohpaICRgvN...@mchsi.com>,
>> trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/4/12 10:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 11/4/2012 5:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>>>> hurricane
>>>>>>> victims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
>>>>
>>>> Wrong question, "comrade". You tell us: where in the Constitution is
>>>> the power to "care for" citizens enumerated?
>>
>>> I think it's very hard to misconstrue "life, liberty, and the
>>> pursuit of happiness".
>>
>> That's the Declaration of Independence, you corpulent moron.
>
>
> Agreed--I realized that after I posted.
No, you didn't, you lying fat fuck (whose jaw I'm going to break) - you
> On 11/4/12 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <4u6dnaohpaICRgvN...@mchsi.com>,
>> trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/4/12 10:07 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 11/4/2012 5:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for
>>>>>>> hurricane
>>>>>>> victims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>>>>>> hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
>>>>
>>>> Wrong question, "comrade". You tell us: where in the Constitution is
>>>> the power to "care for" citizens enumerated?
>>
>>> I think it's very hard to misconstrue "life, liberty, and the
>>> pursuit of happiness".
>>
>> That's the Declaration of Independence, you corpulent moron.
>
>
> Agreed--I realized that after I posted.
didn't realize it until it was pointed out to you.
> I'm sure you'll explain why
> it's not relevant of course.
that's the reason why.
suzeeq
Nov 4, 2012, 6:44:07 PM11/4/12
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to promote the general welfare.
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 6:48:21 PM11/4/12
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On 11/4/12 2:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <4u6dnaQhpaJsQQvN...@mchsi.com>,
> trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/4/12 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <ksadnQQmnuOm8gvN...@supernews.com>,
>>> cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>>> firefighters or the army.
>>>
>>> The Constitution mandates the federal government maintain an army/navy.
>>> It doesn't mandate the federal government to pave roads, maintain
>>> police, or relieve disaster areas.
>
>> Perhaps "promote general welfare" means something else, then?
>
>>> We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
>>> establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
>>> defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty
>>> to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
>>> for the United States of America.
>
> You didn't even quote the right General Welfare clause, you
> Cheeto-stained ignoramus. That's the Preamble, which the Supreme Court
> has held to merely be introductory language and has no legal weight or
> effect. Go into court and cite the Preamble as the basis for your claim
> and see how far that gets you.
Again, "legal weight" is a straw man argument. If FEMA was illegal, or
> In article <4u6dnaQhpaJsQQvN...@mchsi.com>,
> trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/4/12 1:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <ksadnQQmnuOm8gvN...@supernews.com>,
>>> cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>>> firefighters or the army.
>>>
>>> The Constitution mandates the federal government maintain an army/navy.
>>> It doesn't mandate the federal government to pave roads, maintain
>>> police, or relieve disaster areas.
>
>> Perhaps "promote general welfare" means something else, then?
>
>>> We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
>>> establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
>>> defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty
>>> to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
>>> for the United States of America.
>
> You didn't even quote the right General Welfare clause, you
> Cheeto-stained ignoramus. That's the Preamble, which the Supreme Court
> has held to merely be introductory language and has no legal weight or
> effect. Go into court and cite the Preamble as the basis for your claim
> and see how far that gets you.
if helping disaster victims on the federal level was illegal in any way,
you'll have ample reasoning how that is and why FEMA is still allowed to
operate.
> The *correct* General Welfare clause, which you should have cited if you
> had even a basic knowledge of the Constitution is found in Article I,
> Section 8:
>
> The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes,
> duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide
> for the common defense and general welfare of the United
> States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be
> uniform throughout the United States
>
> However, even this doesn't get you a win, because that General Welfare
> clause was ruled long ago to be limited to Congress's power to impose
> taxes
the government works: we elect elected officials. They decide what is
best for the people and put those measures in place. Hence FEMA.
Nobody, Governor Romney included, was making a "legal argument" against
FEMA, SO TAKE YOUR MOTHERFUCKING STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS AND SHOVE THEM BACK
UP YOUR ASS WHERE THEY BELONG. YOU ARE A FAILED LAWYER AND NOBODY IN
THEIR RIGHT FUCKING MIND SHOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR "LEGAL
ARGUMENTS". You are persistent--persisently stupid. You have this
endless supply of circular reasoning and lapses in logic.
(i.e., to levy taxes for the general welfare of the nation).
> Congress cannot do whatever it likes and justify it as being in the
> 'general welfare' of the nation. The Court held correctly that any such
> interpretation of the clause would give Congress unlimited power to do
> anything, which would be in direct contravention of the text of the rest
> of the Constitution and the intentions of the people who wrote it.
illegal in some way, or to be shown as an example of Congress "run
amok", let's see it. You're presenting an argument that doesn't exist
in reality, just in the tumbleweeds that is your mind. You want to
present us with a pile of shit and expect people to give you credence
for it. Fat chance. You're just a sloppy thinker that has trouble
going from point A to point B in your mind.
In fact, I know you're an anonyshit and this isn't possible for you, but
why don't you come clean for a change. This was a discussion of
Romney's flip flopping on FEMA, but now you seem to want to turn into a
teabagging referendum on "government handouts". Can you admit to a
poorly thought out attempt at promoting your teabagging agenda or not?
I'm guessing not.
Tom
Nov 4, 2012, 6:51:03 PM11/4/12
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Did you bother to read my cite that you asked for?
Tom
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 7:00:01 PM11/4/12
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Hey, I get it--you guys lack the intectual firepower to discuss the
topic. What new? Here's the summary:
Romney flip flopped on FEMA because he's a complete loser who will say
anything to get elected and has no business holding public office.
Right wing weirdos come in as say Romney "is right" before he flip
flopped and "it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for hurricane
victims or any other kind of victim."
My claim: both the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence show
a clear desire to form a government that has the welfare of the people
in mind. FEMA, to anybody with a brain, clearly exists for that.
Moreover, our government works by the people electing officials, and the
officials legislating laws, policies and agencies that are in the best
interest of the people. FEMA clearly exists because of that. And yet,
there are some whackadoodles out there, yourself included, that seem to
have a problem with our system of government.
FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO LIVE.
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 7:00:40 PM11/4/12
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 7:01:26 PM11/4/12
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surprised?
trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 7:01:52 PM11/4/12
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trotsky
Nov 4, 2012, 7:02:40 PM11/4/12
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cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 7:05:47 PM11/4/12
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Doesn't mean to help private individuals??? Seriously? The things some
people down there manage to convince themselves of never fails to blow
my mind.
..
Stormin Mormon
Nov 4, 2012, 7:04:36 PM11/4/12
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How do you explain climate change, a hundred
years ago, before we had freon?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"cloud dreamer" <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote in message
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The simple fact of the matter, if he's too stupid to understand the
science that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that mankind is 100%
responsible for climate change, then he is too stupid to be put in
charge of a such a powerful nation.
..
years ago, before we had freon?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"cloud dreamer" <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote in message
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The simple fact of the matter, if he's too stupid to understand the
science that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that mankind is 100%
responsible for climate change, then he is too stupid to be put in
charge of a such a powerful nation.
..
Stormin Mormon
Nov 4, 2012, 7:05:44 PM11/4/12
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I must rise in defense of Mr. Terrell.
I've also been known to go to the aid
of losers, sheeple, and welfare bums.
"trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote in message
news:HZCdnYPq8vXZ4gvN...@mchsi.com...
On 11/4/12 8:23 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> Yawn. Yet another missed shot from the cheap seats. I was out
> helping others clean up, and working on my projects even though I was
> limited to hand tools.
Wait, what? You were out "helping others clean up" and then lambasting
them as losers on the internet? You are really, really confused if you
think this doesn't make you look like an asshole.
I've also been known to go to the aid
of losers, sheeple, and welfare bums.
"trotsky" <gms...@email.com> wrote in message
news:HZCdnYPq8vXZ4gvN...@mchsi.com...
On 11/4/12 8:23 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> Yawn. Yet another missed shot from the cheap seats. I was out
> helping others clean up, and working on my projects even though I was
> limited to hand tools.
Wait, what? You were out "helping others clean up" and then lambasting
them as losers on the internet? You are really, really confused if you
think this doesn't make you look like an asshole.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 4, 2012, 7:06:50 PM11/4/12
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I'm in NYS, but a bit of a ways from the coast.
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Wait, what? You were out "helping others clean up" and then lambasting
> them as losers on the internet? You are really, really confused if you
> think this doesn't make you look like an asshole.
Learn to read. I'm in FLORIDA, not NEW YORK or NEW JERSEY. People
around here aren't stupid enough to wait for 'I'm from the government,
and I'm here to help'.
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8fSdnefV66GzGQvN...@earthlink.com...
>
> Wait, what? You were out "helping others clean up" and then lambasting
> them as losers on the internet? You are really, really confused if you
> think this doesn't make you look like an asshole.
around here aren't stupid enough to wait for 'I'm from the government,
and I'm here to help'.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 4, 2012, 7:07:56 PM11/4/12
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Seeing as how most of the leeches have amazing
use of plastic, freon, etc. Their demise sure would
help, would you think?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8fSdneHV66EBGQvN...@earthlink.com...
> The simple fact of the matter, if he's too stupid to understand the
> science that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that mankind is 100%
> responsible for climate change, then he is too stupid to be put in
> charge of a such a powerful nation.
Then we sould round up all the wasteful, useless leachs and
exterminate them to stop Glowball warming?
use of plastic, freon, etc. Their demise sure would
help, would you think?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> The simple fact of the matter, if he's too stupid to understand the
> science that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that mankind is 100%
> responsible for climate change, then he is too stupid to be put in
> charge of a such a powerful nation.
exterminate them to stop Glowball warming?
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 7:16:44 PM11/4/12
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On 04/11/2012 8:34 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> How do you explain climate change, a hundred
> years ago, before we had freon?
Freon was only a tiny fraction of the chemicals going into the
> How do you explain climate change, a hundred
> years ago, before we had freon?
atmosphere. It's damage is to the Ozone layer and its ban in 1995 has
taken one of the most damaging chemicals out of production.
The worst GHGs have been around much longer and are being produced in
massive quantities compared to freon. Carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide,
methane etc are the worst culprits. They've been pumped into the
atmosphere in huge quantities since the beginning of the industrial
revolution.
..
cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 7:24:42 PM11/4/12
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http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/522194_10151235460157593_1984855878_n.jpg
..
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 7:34:10 PM11/4/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> Seeing as how most of the leeches have amazing
> use of plastic, freon, etc. Their demise sure would
> help, would you think?
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 4, 2012, 7:35:11 PM11/4/12
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> I'm in NYS, but a bit of a ways from the coast.
suzeeq
Nov 4, 2012, 7:35:27 PM11/4/12
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and businesses...
Stormin Mormon
Nov 4, 2012, 7:40:12 PM11/4/12
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You know, that gets me thinking. Might you have the chemical name for freon,
for me?
"cloud dreamer" <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote in message
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for me?
"cloud dreamer" <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote in message
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cloud dreamer
Nov 4, 2012, 7:45:31 PM11/4/12
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On 04/11/2012 9:10 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> You know, that gets me thinking. Might you have the chemical name for freon,
> for me?
It's a CFC (chlorofluorocarbon). Freon is the name given to it by DuPont.
> You know, that gets me thinking. Might you have the chemical name for freon,
> for me?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorofluorocarbon
Stormin Mormon
Nov 4, 2012, 7:42:47 PM11/4/12
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Posting from RCM as always.
Might even slow global warming.
Christopher A. Young
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Might even slow global warming.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Stormin Mormon
Nov 4, 2012, 7:44:26 PM11/4/12
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Posting from RCM as always.
True. Sadly, with the Obama economy,
I can't afford to move out of the trailer park.
If it were Reagan years again, I'd be hiring
help and doing much better.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Gunner
Nov 4, 2012, 8:07:39 PM11/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:59:34 -0600, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>On 11/4/12 7:43 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> preplanning did these people do? A lot of them laughed at people in the
>> south who keep a 'Hurricane Kit', and some called us fools. I've been
>> without electricity up to a month, and they are whining after a day?
>
>
>Well, you went without electricity for a month and it made you retarded,
>so isn't that proof enough?
You have gone through your entire life without a brain...and that is
proof enough.
Gunner
--
"President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of
you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having
a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the
day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the
world where you can reside and establish new citizenship.
Kirby Grant,<KGr...@yahoo.com>
>On 11/4/12 7:43 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>
>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>> firefighters or the army.
>>
>>
>> What level of 'Disaster Relief' are they paying for? What
>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>
>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>> firefighters or the army.
>>
>>
>> preplanning did these people do? A lot of them laughed at people in the
>> south who keep a 'Hurricane Kit', and some called us fools. I've been
>> without electricity up to a month, and they are whining after a day?
>
>
>Well, you went without electricity for a month and it made you retarded,
>so isn't that proof enough?
You have gone through your entire life without a brain...and that is
proof enough.
Gunner
--
"President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of
you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having
a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the
day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the
world where you can reside and establish new citizenship.
Kirby Grant,<KGr...@yahoo.com>
Gunner
Nov 4, 2012, 8:10:19 PM11/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 10:43:37 -0330, cloud dreamer
<reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>On 04/11/2012 10:13 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>
>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>> firefighters or the army.
>>
>>
>> What level of 'Disaster Relief' are they paying for?
>
>
>
>If you leave it to Romney, none of you would get any disaster relief.
>So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
>Tuesday.
>
> ..
What...suddenly you are changing your tune? Last couple weeks it was
Laugh..Romney doesnt have a chance!!"
Suddenly...he is going to steal the election?
<VBG>
Looks like you managed to get 2 brain cells firing in unison. Not a
bad start. Keep on smashing your head against that brick wall and
maybe you can get a third to join
Laugh laugh laugh!!
Then you die in the Great Cull. Glorious!! Absofuckinglutely
Glorious!!
<reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>On 04/11/2012 10:13 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>
>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>> firefighters or the army.
>>
>>
>> What level of 'Disaster Relief' are they paying for?
>
>
>
>So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
>Tuesday.
>
> ..
What...suddenly you are changing your tune? Last couple weeks it was
Laugh..Romney doesnt have a chance!!"
Suddenly...he is going to steal the election?
<VBG>
Looks like you managed to get 2 brain cells firing in unison. Not a
bad start. Keep on smashing your head against that brick wall and
maybe you can get a third to join
Laugh laugh laugh!!
Then you die in the Great Cull. Glorious!! Absofuckinglutely
Glorious!!
Gunner
Nov 4, 2012, 8:11:04 PM11/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:04:16 -0330, cloud dreamer
<reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>On 04/11/2012 10:54 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 04/11/2012 10:13 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>>>> firefighters or the army.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What level of 'Disaster Relief' are they paying for?
>>>
>>> If you leave it to Romney, none of you would get any disaster relief.
>>> So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
>>> Tuesday.
>>
>>
>> What an idiot. If I wanted a canoe, I'd keep it in my 1200 Sq. foot
>> four car garage.
>>
>
>
>**whoosh**
>
><plonk>
>
> ..
Oh oh...sounds like one of those 2 brain cells died.
Laugh laugh laugh!!!
<reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>On 04/11/2012 10:54 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 04/11/2012 10:13 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait a minute...if it isn't the government's job to care for hurricane
>>>>> victims, why are you paying taxes? I mean, if disaster relief isn't
>>>>> their job, then neither is paving roads, maintaining police,
>>>>> firefighters or the army.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What level of 'Disaster Relief' are they paying for?
>>>
>>> If you leave it to Romney, none of you would get any disaster relief.
>>> So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
>>> Tuesday.
>>
>>
>> four car garage.
>>
>
>
>**whoosh**
>
><plonk>
>
> ..
Oh oh...sounds like one of those 2 brain cells died.
Laugh laugh laugh!!!
Gunner
Nov 4, 2012, 8:12:31 PM11/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:01:44 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <ksadnQYmnuON5QvN...@supernews.com>,
>must have been 'stolen'.
Of course. When they do everything to commit voter fraud..they assume
the other side is doing it as well.
Just another symptom of their mental illness issues. But..dont
worry. They will be dead before long.
Shrug
>In article <ksadnQYmnuON5QvN...@supernews.com>,
> cloud dreamer <reduce...@recycle.com> wrote:
>
>> If you leave it to Romney, none of you would get any disaster relief.
>> So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
>> Tuesday.
>
>I love how libs just assume that if the Dems don't win an election, it
>
>> If you leave it to Romney, none of you would get any disaster relief.
>> So, keep a canoe on your roof if he manages to steal the election on
>> Tuesday.
>
>must have been 'stolen'.
Of course. When they do everything to commit voter fraud..they assume
the other side is doing it as well.
Just another symptom of their mental illness issues. But..dont
worry. They will be dead before long.
Shrug
Gunner
Nov 4, 2012, 8:13:53 PM11/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:26:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>trotsky wrote:
>>
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>trotsky wrote:
>>
>> On 11/3/12 6:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> > On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
>> >> victims.
>> >
>> > Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>> > hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>> > On 11/3/2012 2:58 PM, Q JINN wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mitt Romney thinks it's not the governments job to care for hurricane
>> >> victims.
>> >
>> > Mr. Romney is right - it *ISN'T* the government's job to care for
>> > hurricane victims or any other kind of victim.
>>
>> Which part of the Constitution is that in?
>
>
>
>
> YOUR 'constitution' gives you the right to Life, Liberalism & The
>pursuit of ignorance.
Seems like they are working diligently at it too!!
>pursuit of ignorance.
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