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shawn

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Jun 2, 2012, 11:42:26 AM6/2/12
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Well this is a first. I was changing channels and stopped on HSN for a
minute. Then I found that all of my controls were turned off (through
the remote.) I couldn't change channels, couldn't bring up a menu. The
only thing I could do is power down the set top box. When I turned
power back on I could change the channel again.

I thought this can't be right so I tried tuning in to HSN again and
the same thing happened. So apparently Comcast has made the decision
to lock people in to the channel if you stay on it for more than a few
seconds. I wonder when this *feature* will show up on other channels.

It doesn't look like they do the same thing for QVC. Makes me wonder
if HSN is tied in with Comcast in some fashion.

I don't know when they implemented this change since I don't watch the
shopping channels but this is really bad decision.

anim8rFSK

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Jun 2, 2012, 12:18:34 PM6/2/12
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In article <9pcks75jglvhjcn5d...@4ax.com>,
The same thing happened to me yesterday (not HSN). I had to reboot the
set.

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shawn

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Jun 2, 2012, 12:47:06 PM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:18:34 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:
Are you also on Comcast? So far this only happens on HSN. As you say
the only way out is to reboot the settop box. I wonder if this is
intentional or some sort of bug in their system. When it was just
happening on HSN (a shopping channel) I figured it was intentional,
but if you are seeing it on some other channel that isn't related to
shopping then maybe it's a bug.

chicagofan

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Jun 2, 2012, 1:15:03 PM6/2/12
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I'm not on Comcast, but I suspect it's a bug that resulted when they made some changes to your box. For reasons I
can't imagine, I've read that Charter is making HSN an HD channel on their system now. So maybe something similar is at
work on Comcast... or do you already have HSN in HD?
bj

shawn

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Jun 2, 2012, 1:23:43 PM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:15:03 -0400, chicagofan <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:
No, I'm watching it in SD. Haven't yet upgraded to HD since the TV
still works fine. In any case that wouldn't cause this sort of problem
since that's just the video signal. What's happening has to something
in the set top box GUI (provided by TV Guide.)

Dano

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Jun 2, 2012, 2:26:48 PM6/2/12
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"shawn" wrote in message news:ptiks714sdnqqiuvl...@4ax.com...
==============================================

Did you check the batteries in your remote? Seriously.

chicagofan

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Jun 2, 2012, 2:40:25 PM6/2/12
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shawn wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:15:03 -0400, chicagofan<m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> shawn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:18:34 -0700, anim8rFSK<anim...@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<9pcks75jglvhjcn5d...@4ax.com>,
>>>> shawn<nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well this is a first. I was changing channels and stopped on HSN for a
>>>>> minute. Then I found that all of my controls were turned off (through
>>>>> the remote.) I couldn't change channels, couldn't bring up a menu. The
>>>>> only thing I could do is power down the set top box. When I turned
>>>>> power back on I could change the channel again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought this can't be right so I tried tuning in to HSN again and
>>>>> the same thing happened. So apparently Comcast has made the decision
>>>>> to lock people in to the channel if you stay on it for more than a few
>>>>> seconds. I wonder when this *feature* will show up on other channels.
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't look like they do the same thing for QVC. Makes me wonder
>>>>> if HSN is tied in with Comcast in some fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know when they implemented this change since I don't watch the
>>>>> shopping channels but this is really bad decision.
>>>> The same thing happened to me yesterday (not HSN). I had to reboot the
>>>> set.
>> I'm not on Comcast, but I suspect it's a bug that resulted when they made some changes to your box. For reasons I
>> can't imagine, I've read that Charter is making HSN an HD channel on their system now. So maybe something similar is at
>> work on Comcast... or do you already have HSN in HD?
> No, I'm watching it in SD. Haven't yet upgraded to HD since the TV
> still works fine. In any case that wouldn't cause this sort of problem
> since that's just the video signal. What's happening has to something
> in the set top box GUI (provided by TV Guide.)

I was thinking of the switching channels/maintenance aspect, in your box. When Charter is working on mine [which is
usually off hours but not always], brief glitches like that will happen. I have had them switch my channels while I was
watching something, then could not go back to the previous channel. These problems usually go away for me when the
updates are done.
bj

anim8rFSK

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Jun 2, 2012, 3:53:48 PM6/2/12
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In article <0pgks7dvgghu6drul...@4ax.com>,
No, this was cox. And I meant reboot the cable box, not the set. Power
button cycle didn't do it; actually had to pull the plug.

shawn

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Jun 2, 2012, 5:45:10 PM6/2/12
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On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:26:48 -0400, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
LOL. Since the remote works for everything else, and can turn off the
power on the settop box I think it is safe to say the batteries are
okay. Plus as soon as I turn the settop box back on (using the remote)
I can change channels. This is obviously an issue tied to that
channel. Whether it's a bug in the settop box interface or a new
feature is the question.

shawn

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Jun 2, 2012, 5:48:21 PM6/2/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:53:48 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
Interesting. In my case it was enough to hit the power button on the
remote. That freed up whatever feature in the cable box that wasn't
letting me change away from HSN. Just as a check I tried it again and
that channel still locks me in. Since it's been hours I think it is
safe to say this isn't some temporary glitch.

Ubiquitous

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Jun 2, 2012, 5:53:56 PM6/2/12
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nanof...@gNOTmail.com wrote:

>Well this is a first. I was changing channels and stopped on HSN for a
>minute. Then I found that all of my controls were turned off (through
>the remote.) I couldn't change channels, couldn't bring up a menu. The
>only thing I could do is power down the set top box. When I turned
>power back on I could change the channel again.

Replace the batteries on your remote control. :-)


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21st century."

Dano

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Jun 2, 2012, 6:15:55 PM6/2/12
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"shawn" wrote in message news:m72ls7dj8vel8eeq1...@4ax.com...
========================================

You're probably right...but I have noticed that some functions continue to
work...or work sporadically...when my remote's batteries run down. Right
now...I remember my bedroom remote needs fresh ones. The remotes we get
with our FIOS boxes (Cisco) even have a low battery indicator that shows up
in the upper left hand corner of the TV screen. When they get REALLY low
some functions quit before others for whatever reason. I'm just saying...it
never hurts to check the simplest, most obvious thing first.
BTW...batteries often will work for a while when nearly drained after
sitting idle for a long spell.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 2, 2012, 6:28:29 PM6/2/12
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We are with a subsidiary of Comcast... I usually try the complete power down (pull the plug for at least 30 seconds), if that doesn't fix it, I call their customer service (and ours really *is* service oriented), and they send a "pulse" out, which does a reset from their end. Fixes it every time so far. Has happened twice in about 3 years (where my own power down doesn't fix it).

anim8rFSK

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Jun 2, 2012, 8:01:21 PM6/2/12
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In article <ec2ls753hd2vcudg0...@4ax.com>,
I have no idea what channel I was on at the time so I can't test it, but
if it happens again I'll scream bloody murder. :)

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Arthur Lipscomb

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Jun 2, 2012, 9:24:26 PM6/2/12
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I've recently had issues with changing channels and in particular
getting the "favorites" button to work. I'm pretty sure it's not the
batteries since I experienced this problem using two different remotes
and other functions still work.

shawn

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Jun 2, 2012, 11:08:49 PM6/2/12
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Yeah, I did that tonight. Pulled the plug and left it out for a couple
of minutes. Then I plugged it back in and gave the box a few minutes
to reload the GUI and EPG data. Now it seems to work correcly when I
go to the HSN channel. Looks like something got corrupted in the box
because I wasn't seeing the "Press OK/Select to shop" bug before but
now I am.

Guess the soft reset of a power off from the remote wasn't enough to
fix the problem. Strange sort of problem. Probably there's a flag
that's easily flipped that controls the purchase feature and the
software couldn't handle when the flag data was corrupted.

BTR1701

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Jun 2, 2012, 11:28:16 PM6/2/12
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In article <8ab27ae9-d67f-4575...@googlegroups.com>,
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> We are with a subsidiary of Comcast... I usually try the complete
> power down (pull the plug for at least 30 seconds)

Problem with doing that with mine is that any power interruption wipes
out the on-screen TV guide. When it powers back up, everything is "To Be
Announced" for at least a day, then it slowly starts building the guide
back up a day at a time. Last power outage we had, it took about six
days for the guide to fully restore.

If I already have something scheduled to record, it will keep those
settings and record at the right time even without show info listed, but
I can't set any new recordings until the "To Be Announced" goes away and
is replaced with actual show information.

Adam H. Kerman

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Jun 3, 2012, 12:11:46 AM6/3/12
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shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

>Guess the soft reset of a power off from the remote wasn't enough to
>fix the problem. Strange sort of problem. Probably there's a flag
>that's easily flipped that controls the purchase feature and the
>software couldn't handle when the flag data was corrupted.

Power off from the remote is not a reset and doesn't turn the power off.
It's merely standby mode that gives access to several other features.

shawn

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Jun 3, 2012, 2:11:34 AM6/3/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:28:16 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <8ab27ae9-d67f-4575...@googlegroups.com>,
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> We are with a subsidiary of Comcast... I usually try the complete
>> power down (pull the plug for at least 30 seconds)
>
>Problem with doing that with mine is that any power interruption wipes
>out the on-screen TV guide. When it powers back up, everything is "To Be
>Announced" for at least a day, then it slowly starts building the guide
>back up a day at a time. Last power outage we had, it took about six
>days for the guide to fully restore.

It does the same with mine but the guide rebuilds itself faster.
Within about twenty minutes the first hour was already rebuilt after I
powered off my cable box earlier tonight. Can't imagine having to wait
for days for the guide data to download.

Stephen Wolstenholme

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Jun 3, 2012, 5:41:19 AM6/3/12
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One of my TV's sometimes takes a minute or two to change channels
while the others are instant. It must be a fault on that TV. Your TV
have a similar fault.

Steve

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Hunter

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Jun 3, 2012, 7:40:31 AM6/3/12
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:42:26 -0400, shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com>
wrote:
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I don't think HSN or Comcast is going to risk people getting pissed
off by doing that. It is the equivalent of Macy's or Walmart locking
the doors and not letting you out. Not very many happy customers if
that were to happen. :-) It is some sort of glitch I'm sure.

------>Hunter

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a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

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anim8rFSK

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Jun 3, 2012, 8:35:58 AM6/3/12
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In article <atropos-7EF8D3...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
Ugh. There are at least 5 different types of reset on a CoxBox, only 2
of which seem to force it to reload the guide; otherwise you have to
wait for it to automatically do it at 2am or whenever. They all tend to
involve arcane things you wouldn't try by accident like holding certain
buttons in while you unplug and replug the power cable.

I suggest you google your specific box and see if you can find a reboot
procedure that forces the guide to load (the big problem being,
sometimes they take 20 or 30 minutes to fully cycle).

BTR1701

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Jun 3, 2012, 10:17:44 AM6/3/12
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In article <9uvls7lu4qmu9qvma...@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:28:16 -0700, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <8ab27ae9-d67f-4575...@googlegroups.com>,
> > "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We are with a subsidiary of Comcast... I usually try the complete
> >> power down (pull the plug for at least 30 seconds)
> >
> >Problem with doing that with mine is that any power interruption wipes
> >out the on-screen TV guide. When it powers back up, everything is "To Be
> >Announced" for at least a day, then it slowly starts building the guide
> >back up a day at a time. Last power outage we had, it took about six
> >days for the guide to fully restore.
>
> It does the same with mine but the guide rebuilds itself faster.
> Within about twenty minutes the first hour was already rebuilt after I
> powered off my cable box earlier tonight. Can't imagine having to wait
> for days for the guide data to download.

I've called them and complained and they basically ducked the blame on
whichever company they've licensed the guide from.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 3, 2012, 12:18:13 PM6/3/12
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On Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:28:16 PM UTC-6, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <8ab27ae9-d67f-4575...@googlegroups.com>,
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > We are with a subsidiary of Comcast... I usually try the complete
> > power down (pull the plug for at least 30 seconds)
>
> Problem with doing that with mine is that any power interruption wipes
> out the on-screen TV guide. When it powers back up, everything is "To Be
> Announced" for at least a day, then it slowly starts building the guide
> back up a day at a time. Last power outage we had, it took about six
> days for the guide to fully restore.

Our older cable box (Motorola I think) was like that (and man did I hate it), but the newer one (Pace w/separate Hard drive for double the amount of recorded shows) takes about 15 minutes to get all of today's stuff, and has the two weeks out by the following morning, so it isn't a huge issue anymore.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 3, 2012, 12:22:02 PM6/3/12
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On Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:08:49 PM UTC-6, shawn wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:28:29 -0700 (PDT), "Smokie Darling (Annie)"

> >We are with a subsidiary of Comcast... I usually try the complete power down (pull the plug for at least 30 seconds),
> >if that doesn't fix it, I call their customer service (and ours really *is* service oriented), and they send a "pulse" out,
> >which does a reset from their end. Fixes it every time so far. Has happened twice in about 3 years (where my own power down doesn't fix it).
>
>
> Yeah, I did that tonight. Pulled the plug and left it out for a couple
> of minutes. Then I plugged it back in and gave the box a few minutes
> to reload the GUI and EPG data. Now it seems to work correcly when I
> go to the HSN channel. Looks like something got corrupted in the box
> because I wasn't seeing the "Press OK/Select to shop" bug before but
> now I am.
>
> Guess the soft reset of a power off from the remote wasn't enough to
> fix the problem. Strange sort of problem. Probably there's a flag
> that's easily flipped that controls the purchase feature and the
> software couldn't handle when the flag data was corrupted.

As I recall, from the one service call that I insisted on... When the guy pressed a series of buttons, I could see where the box had overheated (at least I read it that way), and 'froze up' on things, there were a couple of things he said were "off", and replaced the former set top box with the one we have now. As I said, it's gotten much better with the newer box (Pace), the old one did that *alot*. He also said that our old model was notorious for doing those things, and company was trying to get rid of all of them.

anim8rFSK

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Jun 3, 2012, 4:32:19 PM6/3/12
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In article <9620a378-0497-4f6e...@googlegroups.com>,
Two weeks out would be sooooo nice. We get 7 days, so if you're
watching Alien Surf Girl and want to record next weeks ... you can't
until the following day. Snarl.

BTR1701

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Jun 3, 2012, 5:05:54 PM6/3/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-25F0A...@news.easynews.com>,
I get two weeks, but only when it's not still rebuilding from the last
power outage a month ago. And it doesn't take much of an outage, either.
One two-second blip and the whole guide is gone.

William December Starr

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Jun 3, 2012, 5:24:41 PM6/3/12
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In article <9pcks75jglvhjcn5d...@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> said:

> Well this is a first. I was changing channels and stopped on HSN
> for a minute. Then I found that all of my controls were turned off
> (through the remote.) I couldn't change channels, couldn't bring
> up a menu. The only thing I could do is power down the set top
> box. When I turned power back on I could change the channel again.
>
> I thought this can't be right so I tried tuning in to HSN again
> and the same thing happened. So apparently Comcast has made the
> decision to lock people in to the channel if you stay on it for
> more than a few seconds. I wonder when this *feature* will show
> up on other channels.
>
> It doesn't look like they do the same thing for QVC. Makes me
> wonder if HSN is tied in with Comcast in some fashion.

I have no idea whether this is related, but apparently[1] in at
least some Comcast markets the Home Shopping Network channel is the
one that's used to carry Emergency Broadcasting System messages --
while an EBS message is being transmitted the Comcast box switches
you to that channel and holds you there for the duration of the
message. (Even though the channel display on the box says "EBS"
rather than the HSN's channel number.)

Maybe something's falsely setting your box's "An EBS message is in
effect" flag. Or maybe it was correct, in that the EBS system _was_
being used, but something went wrong and the emergency message never
overrode the regular HSN broadcast.)

-----------
*1: That is, I know I read it somewhere but I have no hope of
remembering where.

-- wds

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 3, 2012, 7:02:16 PM6/3/12
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On Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:32:19 PM UTC-6, anim8rfsk wrote:
> In article <9620a378-0497-4f6e...@googlegroups.com>,
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)"
> > Our older cable box (Motorola I think) was like that (and man did I hate it),
> > but the newer one (Pace w/separate Hard drive for double the amount of
> > recorded shows) takes about 15 minutes to get all of today's stuff, and has
> > the two weeks out by the following morning, so it isn't a huge issue anymore.
>
> Two weeks out would be sooooo nice. We get 7 days, so if you're
> watching Alien Surf Girl and want to record next weeks ... you can't
> until the following day. Snarl.

Even our crappy old one used to go out two weeks (once it even had 3, but I figure that was a glitch <giggle>).

<ahem> never heard of Alien Surf Girl, but couldn't you just set up a series recording, with new and repeats?

Adam H. Kerman

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Jun 3, 2012, 7:59:01 PM6/3/12
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Smokie Darling (Annie) <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:32:19 PM UTC-6, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>"Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:

>>>Our older cable box (Motorola I think) was like that (and man did I
>>>hate it), but the newer one (Pace w/separate Hard drive for double
>>>the amount of recorded shows) takes about 15 minutes to get all of
>>>today's stuff, and has the two weeks out by the following morning,
>>>so it isn't a huge issue anymore.

>>Two weeks out would be sooooo nice. We get 7 days, so if you're
>>watching Alien Surf Girl and want to record next weeks ... you can't
>>until the following day. Snarl.

>Even our crappy old one used to go out two weeks (once it even had 3,
>but I figure that was a glitch <giggle>).

><ahem> never heard of Alien Surf Girl, but couldn't you just set up a
>series recording, with new and repeats?

I don't know what anim can do, but I can't set up a series recording
if no episodes are listed on the channel I want to record from.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 3, 2012, 8:18:49 PM6/3/12
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On Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:59:01 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Smokie Darling (Annie) <> wrote:
> >On Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:32:19 PM UTC-6, anim8rfsk wrote:
> >>"Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:
>
> >>>Our older cable box (Motorola I think) was like that (and man did I
> >>>hate it), but the newer one (Pace w/separate Hard drive for double
> >>>the amount of recorded shows) takes about 15 minutes to get all of
> >>>today's stuff, and has the two weeks out by the following morning,
> >>>so it isn't a huge issue anymore.
>
> >>Two weeks out would be sooooo nice. We get 7 days, so if you're
> >>watching Alien Surf Girl and want to record next weeks ... you can't
> >>until the following day. Snarl.
>
> >Even our crappy old one used to go out two weeks (once it even had 3,
> >but I figure that was a glitch <giggle>).
>
> ><ahem> never heard of Alien Surf Girl, but couldn't you just set up a
> >series recording, with new and repeats?
>
> I don't know what anim can do, but I can't set up a series recording
> if no episodes are listed on the channel I want to record from.

If a program is a series (on the current and old crappy one), there is an option to set up a series recording, whether there are any in future or not. I've set up series recordings on programs airing the finale (so no future ones, but there will/could be). We watched Hell on Wheels, on demand, to see if we liked it (a week behind 'live' airings), when we realized we did, I went and got the finale, and a series recording set up.

anim8rFSK

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Jun 3, 2012, 9:04:07 PM6/3/12
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In article <7e231277-319a-4f54...@googlegroups.com>,
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not if it's a once a week show. Let's say that for some reason, like
you got kicked in the head by a horse, you enjoyed Hawai'i 5.1 and
wanted to record it next week. The DVR won't let you record this
Monday's episode because it just ended. It won't let you see next
Monday at all, until the next day. So you're reduced to making a post
it note reminding you to record Hawai'i 5.1 ...

Your idea would in fact work for Alien Surf Girls, 'cause it's on
multiple times during the week.

anim8rFSK

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Jun 3, 2012, 9:06:49 PM6/3/12
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In article <b5983d84-6a20-49ea...@googlegroups.com>,
Same as what Adam said. If the show isn't on the guide, you can't
record it at all. And if it's once a week, and today's airing is over,
you're out of luck.

Adam H. Kerman

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Jun 3, 2012, 9:16:36 PM6/3/12
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So you set up a series recording with one listed episode. Yes,
I can do that. I can't set up a series recording with no episodes
listed for that channel.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 3, 2012, 10:18:13 PM6/3/12
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I've found that, in some instances, finding it on another channel (which I have done with some NBC shows that rerun on USA or SyFy), I can set a series record for any channel, with new only episodes, and that picks up new shows on NBC, even if they don't "show up".

I had thought you would be watching the show, and it wouldn't let you set up a recording even though it doesn't "see" one for the next 6 days. I do see how if it isn't shown again, during the period you're set allows you to see, you couldn't pick it up.

Fortunately, we are lucky enough that our subsidiary works with a guide contractor that gives a longer viewing schedule.

Adam H. Kerman

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Jun 3, 2012, 10:32:19 PM6/3/12
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Smokie Darling (Annie) <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, June 3, 2012 7:16:36 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Smokie Darling (Annie) <> wrote:
>>>On Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:59:01 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>Smokie Darling (Annie) <> wrote:
>>>>>On Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:32:19 PM UTC-6, anim8rfsk wrote:

>>>>I don't know what anim can do, but I can't set up a series recording
>>>>if no episodes are listed on the channel I want to record from.

>>>If a program is a series (on the current and old crappy one), there is
>>>an option to set up a series recording, whether there are any in future
>>>or not. I've set up series recordings on programs airing the finale (so
>>>no future ones, but there will/could be). We watched Hell on Wheels, on
>>>demand, to see if we liked it (a week behind 'live' airings), when we
>>>realized we did, I went and got the finale, and a series recording set
>>>up.

>>So you set up a series recording with one listed episode. Yes,
>>I can do that. I can't set up a series recording with no episodes
>>listed for that channel.

>I've found that, in some instances, finding it on another channel (which
>I have done with some NBC shows that rerun on USA or SyFy), I can set a
>series record for any channel, with new only episodes, and that picks up
>new shows on NBC, even if they don't "show up".

Yes, that is a feature. It's not a desireable feature.

TiVo has a feature called Wishlist. You can entire any keyword that matches
the usual guide data, like series or movie title, episode title, even
actor or director or plot point. TiVo takes wildcards. If something matches
upon being added to the program guide, it sets up a future recording.

>I had thought you would be watching the show, and it wouldn't let you
>set up a recording even though it doesn't "see" one for the next 6 days.

That's anim. At the moment, I'm getting 10 days of advance listings. Till
a few weeks ago, I was getting 13 days of advance listings. I tried to
get Comcast to uncheck the "provide the same crap service that anim gets"
box on the account, but haven't had any luck yet.

>I do see how if it isn't shown again, during the period you're set
>allows you to see, you couldn't pick it up.

>Fortunately, we are lucky enough that our subsidiary works with a guide
>contractor that gives a longer viewing schedule.

I don't get it. There are just the two program listing sources, Trib
and TV Guide. No one gets listings from any other service. I assume both
make data available as soon as its input and that it's up to the cable
head end how many days of advance listings are provided to subscribers.

anim8rFSK

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Jun 3, 2012, 11:45:24 PM6/3/12
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In article <65369153-e449-4cb0...@googlegroups.com>,
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, June 3, 2012 7:16:36 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > Smokie Darling (Annie) <> wrote:
> > >On Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:59:01 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > >>Smokie Darling (Annie) <> wrote:
> > >>>On Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:32:19 PM UTC-6, anim8rfsk wrote:
>
> > >>I don't know what anim can do, but I can't set up a series recording
> > >>if no episodes are listed on the channel I want to record from.
> >
> > >If a program is a series (on the current and old crappy one), there is
> > >an option to set up a series recording, whether there are any in future
> > >or not. I've set up series recordings on programs airing the finale (so
> > >no future ones, but there will/could be). We watched Hell on Wheels, on
> > >demand, to see if we liked it (a week behind 'live' airings), when we
> > >realized we did, I went and got the finale, and a series recording set
> > >up.
> >
> > So you set up a series recording with one listed episode. Yes,
> > I can do that. I can't set up a series recording with no episodes
> > listed for that channel.
>
> I've found that, in some instances, finding it on another channel (which I
> have done with some NBC shows that rerun on USA or SyFy), I can set a series
> record for any channel, with new only episodes, and that picks up new shows
> on NBC, even if they don't "show up".

That won't work here; setting a show recording is specific to the
channel you find it on. The old software would let you record, for
instance, M*A*S*H on every channel it was shown on, but the new
'improved' software won't.
>
> I had thought you would be watching the show, and it wouldn't let you set up
> a recording even though it doesn't "see" one for the next 6 days. I do see
> how if it isn't shown again, during the period you're set allows you to see,
> you couldn't pick it up.
>
> Fortunately, we are lucky enough that our subsidiary works with a guide
> contractor that gives a longer viewing schedule.

Yep.

Tony Calguire

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anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote in
news:anim8rfsk-25F0A...@news.easynews.com:

>
> Two weeks out would be sooooo nice. We get 7 days, so if you're
> watching Alien Surf Girl and want to record next weeks ... you can't
> until the following day. Snarl.
>

My Comcast cable box (no DVR) is supposed to provide several days' worth of
guide data. If you page ahead through the program listings, you can go out
at least seven days, maybe more. Problem is, going ahead two and a half
days, every program on every channel is "To Be Announced".

anim8rFSK

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Jun 4, 2012, 1:38:05 PM6/4/12
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In article <jqinbc$hbp$1...@dont-email.me>,
hee hee

Adam H. Kerman

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Jun 4, 2012, 4:00:12 PM6/4/12
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Tony Calguire <calg...@tcfreenet.invalid> wrote:
>anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>>Two weeks out would be sooooo nice. We get 7 days, so if you're
>>watching Alien Surf Girl and want to record next weeks ... you can't
>>until the following day. Snarl.

>My Comcast cable box (no DVR) is supposed to provide several days' worth of
>guide data. If you page ahead through the program listings, you can go out
>at least seven days, maybe more. Problem is, going ahead two and a half
>days, every program on every channel is "To Be Announced".

It's not supposed to be like that. Keep yelling at them till the fix it,
and make sure every time you call after they don't fix it, you demand
credits.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 4, 2012, 5:58:51 PM6/4/12
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On Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:32:19 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Smokie Darling (Annie)
> TiVo has a feature called Wishlist. You can entire any keyword that matches
> the usual guide data, like series or movie title, episode title, even
> actor or director or plot point. TiVo takes wildcards. If something matches
> upon being added to the program guide, it sets up a future recording.

I would *love* to have that option. I think it's proprietary software though, isn't it? Then again, our local company doesn't always show what's on the on screen guide, which annoys. They claim it's done at "network" level, but a neighbor with a different provider will air what is shown on my on screen guide. That or they show one thing, when the net shows (checking the online guides for each premium network) it should be something else, but the on screen guide is correct. Does that make sense?

> >Fortunately, we are lucky enough that our subsidiary works with a guide
> >contractor that gives a longer viewing schedule.
>
> I don't get it. There are just the two program listing sources, Trib
> and TV Guide. No one gets listings from any other service. I assume both
> make data available as soon as its input and that it's up to the cable
> head end how many days of advance listings are provided to subscribers.

Now this is weird... I actually called the locals and asked them about the on screen guide. They asked if I liked it (and I was leery of saying yes, since they'd likely change it), and I told them I'd like it to be further out. They said *they* do it, they don't get it from TV Guide (which I had presumed) or any other source. Keeping in mind that our customer service for the cable box is based in Wyoming or Montana, but for actual "cable" questions, they are local (Western Colorado).

Adam H. Kerman

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Jun 4, 2012, 7:43:49 PM6/4/12
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Smokie Darling (Annie) <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:32:19 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Smokie Darling (Annie)

>>TiVo has a feature called Wishlist. You can entire any keyword that matches
>>the usual guide data, like series or movie title, episode title, even
>>actor or director or plot point. TiVo takes wildcards. If something matches
>>upon being added to the program guide, it sets up a future recording.

>I would *love* to have that option. I think it's proprietary software
>though, isn't it?

TiVo seems to have more fields for better categorizing searches than I've
seen in cable listings. Actors and directors have their own field.

It's just basic pattern matching, which any programmer has to know how
to do. The cable interface has fewer pattern matching options and wildcards
are more difficult.

>Then again, our local company doesn't always show what's on the on
>screen guide, which annoys. They claim it's done at "network" level,
>but a neighbor with a different provider will air what is shown on my on
>screen guide. That or they show one thing, when the net shows (checking
>the online guides for each premium network) it should be something else,
>but the on screen guide is correct. Does that make sense?

Not at all.

There should be network listing and listings for an affiliate. The affiliate
listing should pre-empt the network listings as the affiliate controls
when the program actually airs.

>Now this is weird... I actually called the locals and asked them about
>the on screen guide. They asked if I liked it (and I was leery of
>saying yes, since they'd likely change it), and I told them I'd like it
>to be further out. They said *they* do it, they don't get it from TV
>Guide (which I had presumed) or any other source. Keeping in mind that
>our customer service for the cable box is based in Wyoming or Montana,
>but for actual "cable" questions, they are local (Western Colorado).

I doubt you were given correct information. Programmers do not want to
contact multiple listing providers to get information out to viewers.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 4, 2012, 7:55:01 PM6/4/12
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On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:43:49 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Smokie Darling (Annie)

<snipped a bunch of really bad reasoning on my part>

> >but the on screen guide is correct. Does that make sense?
>
> Not at all.

lol

> There should be network listing and listings for an affiliate. The affiliate
> listing should pre-empt the network listings as the affiliate controls
> when the program actually airs.

First example: Encore Westerns... On Screen guide showed Never Pester Chester for the "Marshall Dillon" episode. Encore Westerns website (which *should* be correct) showed The Preacher. On my cable it was NPC, on the neighbors, it was TP. Not a 'big 4' net, but a premium cable channel.

Same thing has happened on the "big 4" networks as well, we've had the guide on the tv showing program episode "x" should air, but the my cable provider shows program episode "y" (same program, different episode). Either case should probably *not* be happening, as the other provider (DISH network, actually) shows what the websites say should be on.

> >Now this is weird... I actually called the locals and asked them about
> >the on screen guide. They asked if I liked it (and I was leery of
> >saying yes, since they'd likely change it), and I told them I'd like it
> >to be further out. They said *they* do it, they don't get it from TV
> >Guide (which I had presumed) or any other source. Keeping in mind that
> >our customer service for the cable box is based in Wyoming or Montana,
> >but for actual "cable" questions, they are local (Western Colorado).
>
> I doubt you were given correct information. Programmers do not want to
> contact multiple listing providers to get information out to viewers.

Perhaps they have someone checking both Trib and TV Guide (those were the two right?) and combining the information? Don't know, just know that I have a better 'lead time' on scheduling than the neighbors do on theirs (and some of you on yours).

Adam H. Kerman

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Jun 4, 2012, 7:59:29 PM6/4/12
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Smokie Darling (Annie) <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:43:49 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Smokie Darling (Annie)

>>There should be network listing and listings for an affiliate. The affiliate
>>listing should pre-empt the network listings as the affiliate controls
>>when the program actually airs.

>First example: Encore Westerns... On Screen guide showed Never Pester
>Chester for the "Marshall Dillon" episode. Encore Westerns website
>(which *should* be correct) showed The Preacher. On my cable it was
>NPC, on the neighbors, it was TP. Not a 'big 4' net, but a premium
>cable channel.

Ok. Yeah, that should just be national listings, of course. That doesn't
make any sense.

I don't know how to help you but you've got to keep complaining till
they fix it. Gah

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 4, 2012, 8:24:26 PM6/4/12
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I do, and they say it's the channel/network (even though I've checked with the neighbors on theirs). When I call the cable box people, they say it's local. Then again, our local affiliate has digitized the backsides of actors on the premium channels (Arnold in the first Terminator last time). I just send emails to the channel, and it stops these guys. Oh and artworks, can't see a breast in a masterpiece, might excite some stupid idiots out here. It's a trade off. I get further scheduling and put up with small minds <giggle>.

Adam H. Kerman

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Jun 4, 2012, 8:42:21 PM6/4/12
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Wow. I hope you get free service for a month every time you catch
them censoring.

Wow.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 4, 2012, 9:24:52 PM6/4/12
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Haven't yet, but I always bitch about it (particularly on the premium channels, but that's because they can threaten to pull their service). The BS on other channels (except PBS, apparently, though there are multiple warnings of how it may not be appropriate for all viewers) is just to be expected, post *the* half time show (aka boobgate).

anim8rFSK

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Jun 4, 2012, 9:57:37 PM6/4/12
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In article <807f482d-312f-4888...@googlegroups.com>,
Last night Syfy blacked out a guy's finger flipping the bird and blurred
out rubber nipples on a Ripley/Alien clone, while leaving in all manner
of mindless violence and gratuitous carnage.

BTR1701

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Jun 4, 2012, 10:08:22 PM6/4/12
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In article <jqjh7l$afi$1...@news.albasani.net>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> Smokie Darling (Annie) <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:32:19 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>Smokie Darling (Annie)
>
> >>TiVo has a feature called Wishlist. You can entire any keyword that matches
> >>the usual guide data, like series or movie title, episode title, even
> >>actor or director or plot point. TiVo takes wildcards. If something matches
> >>upon being added to the program guide, it sets up a future recording.
>
> >I would *love* to have that option. I think it's proprietary software
> >though, isn't it?
>
> TiVo seems to have more fields for better categorizing searches than I've
> seen in cable listings. Actors and directors have their own field.
>
> It's just basic pattern matching, which any programmer has to know how
> to do. The cable interface has fewer pattern matching options and wildcards
> are more difficult.

Problem is, our current Patent Office grants exclusive patents to anyone
who takes anything basic and obvious and adds 'on the internet' to it.

Fred Greer

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Jun 5, 2012, 12:01:12 AM6/5/12
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We sane people think "who cares?", but you need to understand how a
social conservative thinks in order to know why they do this stuff. This
may help:

http://i49.tinypic.com/2z6h2md.jpg

Tony Calguire

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Jun 5, 2012, 3:04:04 AM6/5/12
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"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:c2b1cded-95eb-4aef...@googlegroups.com:

>
> First example: Encore Westerns... On Screen guide showed Never
> Pester Chester for the "Marshall Dillon" episode. Encore Westerns
> website (which *should* be correct) showed The Preacher. On my cable
> it was NPC, on the neighbors, it was TP. Not a 'big 4' net, but a
> premium cable channel.
>


Since you're in Colorado, is it possible you're seeing different listings
for the east and west coast feeds? I haven't spent a lot of time in the
Mountain timezone, but I remember that some cable systems carried the east
feed of some channels, and the west feed of others. And the satellite
companies were sometimes different than the cable companies.

Obveeus

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Jun 5, 2012, 8:15:32 AM6/5/12
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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> Last night Syfy blacked out a guy's finger flipping the bird and blurred
> out rubber nipples on a Ripley/Alien clone, while leaving in all manner
> of mindless violence and gratuitous carnage.

Right wing motto: killing good, sex bad. It seems clear which group is
really controlling Hollywood.

Meanwhile, a commercial during last night's TEEN WOLF showed a 'naked mole
rat', but they pixilated the nakedness. ;-)


BTR1701

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Jun 5, 2012, 10:52:50 AM6/5/12
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In article <jqkt97$fac$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Last night Syfy blacked out a guy's finger flipping the bird and blurred
> > out rubber nipples on a Ripley/Alien clone, while leaving in all manner
> > of mindless violence and gratuitous carnage.
>
> Right wing motto: killing good, sex bad. It seems clear which group is
> really controlling Hollywood.

LOL! Good one.

Ubiquitous

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nanof...@gNOTmail.com wrote:

>Well this is a first. I was changing channels and stopped on HSN for a
>minute. Then I found that all of my controls were turned off (through
>the remote.) I couldn't change channels, couldn't bring up a menu. The
>only thing I could do is power down the set top box. When I turned
>power back on I could change the channel again.

Did anyone experience any problems last night with Comcast? Several
times the video would "get stuck" and only switching to another station
and back would restore it.

--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 5, 2012, 8:13:53 PM6/5/12
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I have both East and West Coast feeds on my premium channels. It's the same on both, and different from what Encore shows on their website.

shawn

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Jun 5, 2012, 8:48:12 PM6/5/12
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 19:18:06 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:

>nanof...@gNOTmail.com wrote:
>
>>Well this is a first. I was changing channels and stopped on HSN for a
>>minute. Then I found that all of my controls were turned off (through
>>the remote.) I couldn't change channels, couldn't bring up a menu. The
>>only thing I could do is power down the set top box. When I turned
>>power back on I could change the channel again.
>
>Did anyone experience any problems last night with Comcast? Several
>times the video would "get stuck" and only switching to another station
>and back would restore it.

I saw it happen once but it fixed itself after a few seconds.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Jun 5, 2012, 8:16:27 PM6/5/12
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On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 5:18:06 PM UTC-6, Ubiquitous wrote:
> nanof...@gNOTmail.com wrote:
>
> >Well this is a first. I was changing channels and stopped on HSN for a
> >minute. Then I found that all of my controls were turned off (through
> >the remote.) I couldn't change channels, couldn't bring up a menu. The
> >only thing I could do is power down the set top box. When I turned
> >power back on I could change the channel again.
>
> Did anyone experience any problems last night with Comcast? Several
> times the video would "get stuck" and only switching to another station
> and back would restore it.

I've been fortunate in that, that hasn't happened lately. It has been known to occur though. Usually after watching a recorded program.

RabidRobert

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Jun 18, 2012, 10:55:54 PM6/18/12
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"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
news:jqm441$2ic$5...@dont-email.me...
> nanof...@gNOTmail.com wrote:
>
>>Well this is a first. I was changing channels and stopped on HSN for a
>>minute. Then I found that all of my controls were turned off (through
>>the remote.) I couldn't change channels, couldn't bring up a menu. The
>>only thing I could do is power down the set top box. When I turned
>>power back on I could change the channel again.
>
> Did anyone experience any problems last night with Comcast? Several
> times the video would "get stuck" and only switching to another station
> and back would restore it.
>
Happened to me a few days ago, on the 14th or 15th. Comcast is a mess at
everything except moving towards monopoly.


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