Joni Mitchell's take on "Idol" shows
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http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1317
Heart of a Prairie Girl
by Mary Aikins
© Reader's Digest July 2005
[snip]
RD: Do you think there is anything right with today's music?
Mitchell: I am sure there is, but I don't know.
RD: You can't find it.
Mitchell: I can't find it, but I'm in a rarefied position.
RD: Have you ever watched American Idol or Canadian Idol?
Mitchell: I watched a couple of [episodes] because my friends watch
them. I find it unbearable.
RD: Do you think it makes kids any more discerning when it comes to
music?
Mitchell: No. To be an artist, you have to know when you fail, and you
have to know why. None of these kids competing are artists. They are
deluded. They don't have the ability to be self-critical, which an
artist needs. You have to be able to adjudicate yourself.
RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
century. How do you feel about that?
Mitchell: That's somebody's opinion. It is not for me to say, is it?
RD: But how do you react to it?
Mitchell: I get a trickle of feedback of my influence on the street.
How extensive it is, I don't know. I can tell you this: I sell [fewer]
records than any singer-songwriter - any female singer you can name -
so either people are taping or they are passing on their record
collection to their children. Jewel sells 15 million records. I sell
500,000. From my perspective, my influence is negligible.
[snip]
===
ANIM8Rfsk
dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
Interesting interview, thanks.
> RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
> century. How do you feel about that?
Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild overstatement.
mc
I love her, so I agree with it :D
I love how she says the singers on AI are deluded...so is the audience,
which is why it's such a hit!
mc
CliffB
.........and she was playing real good for free
Major ChrisB
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http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1317
Heart of a Prairie Girl
you know, I've always liked Joni Mitchell's music but I'd have bet money on
it that she died in the 70s
red...@virtualhosts.net
dabu...@direct.ca wrote:
> Mitchell: I get a trickle of feedback of my influence on the street.
> How extensive it is, I don't know. I can tell you this: I sell [fewer]
> records than any singer-songwriter - any female singer you can name -
> so either people are taping or they are passing on their record
> collection to their children. Jewel sells 15 million records. I sell
> 500,000. From my perspective, my influence is negligible.
She was good back in the day, but she's pretty much irrelevant now, as
she herself seems to be saying.
Turk
have to respect her. I think one of the problems out there is that
music is just less important to young people than it once was. They
have many options to occupy their time, and music is in the background,
even with downloading and ipods.
Turk
record hunter
Practically every practitioner of indistinguishable whiny chick music
cites her as a major influence. Unfair, but it's there.
avery
"record hunter" <record...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If I try really hard, I can kind of untangle Joni Mitchell from Judy Collins
and Carole King, but they all kind of meld into tangled imagery of folksy
acoustic guitar, crocheted togs and long hair. Joan Baez stands apart, but
that's probably because I saw her in the Woodstock movie and because she had
short hair.
Kris Baker
"Ronnie" <OurOwnRon...@earthlinq.net> wrote in message
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>> > > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
>> > > century. How do you feel about that?
>> >
>> > Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
>> > overstatement.
>
> possibly the most influential female *songwriter*....
>
> But...Billie Holiday? Streisand? Aretha? Ella Fitzgerald? Patsy
> Cline? Joplin? Just trying to think of some possible challengers....
Carole King? Carol Bayer Sager?
Kris
Irulan
"Ronnie" <OurOwnRon...@earthlinq.net> wrote in message
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>> > > century. How do you feel about that?
>> >
>> > Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
>> > overstatement.
>
> possibly the most influential female *songwriter*....
>
> But...Billie Holiday? Streisand? Aretha? Ella Fitzgerald? Patsy
> Cline? Joplin? Just trying to think of some possible challengers....
Well, there you are. You just explained it yourself. Joni Mitchell was more
influential as a song-writer than as a singer. Everybody else you mentioned
didn't write their songs, although I'm not sure if Billie Holiday or Patsy
Cline did. But the others are all singers, not song-writers. Joni Mitchell
wrote some of the most beautiful songs of her time, as did Carole King (who
wrote in an earlier era).
--
Irulan
from the stars we come
to the stars we return
from now until the end of time
AJ
"Ronnie" <OurOwnRon...@earthlinq.net> wrote in message
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>> > > century. How do you feel about that?
>> >
>> > Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
>> > overstatement.
>
> possibly the most influential female *songwriter*....
>
> But...Billie Holiday? Streisand? Aretha? Ella Fitzgerald? Patsy
> Cline? Joplin? Just trying to think of some possible challengers....
Great great singers. Not songwriters.
--AJ
2nz
Nail on head.
It happened with the advent of the Walkman and music videos.
Before that, people bought albums and took the time to listen...one
side at a time.
Then they had to get up and turn the album over. They used their
imaginations to visualize it.
Taking the time to listen and study the cover was an activity or a
conscious decision.
The active part is what is missing now. Music is an accessory.
There is just as much contemporary music in TV commercials as there is
on the radio....
...perhaps more.
AJ
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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She writes pleasant drivel. Joni Mitchell writes first-rate music
and her lyrics are unbelievably good. Only person who can
compare to her as a lyricists (in the 2oth century) is Stephen
Sondheim.
--AJ
ANIM8Rfsk
OurOwnRon...@earthlinq.net wrote on 4/23/06 3:13 PM:
>>>> RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
>>>> century. How do you feel about that?
>>>
>>> Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild overstatement.
>
> Seems like there ought to be someone above Joni. Though she's quite
> possibly the most influential female *songwriter*....
>
> But...Billie Holiday? Streisand? Aretha? Ella Fitzgerald? Patsy
> Cline? Joplin? Just trying to think of some possible challengers....
Hell. Madonna. Influential doesn't have to mean 'good'
AJ
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She may not be popular but if you listen to "Travelogue" or the
album she did of standards (both recent), you might change
your mind. No one will be talking about Jewel in forty
years unless VH1 still keeps doing those one hit wonder
shows.
--AJ
ANIM8Rfsk
kris....@prodigyy.net wrote on 4/23/06 3:24 PM:
Wendy Carlos.
Kris Baker
"AJ" <ajfa...@att.net> wrote in message
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I've heard plenty of Joni Mitchell drivel ("paved Paradise, put
up a parking lot" was just a take-off on "little boxes filled
with ticky tacky" from another writer).
Kris
Flash Bazbo
>I am not a fan, but her responses are so articulate and true, you just
>have to respect her. I think one of the problems out there is that
>music is just less important to young people than it once was.
I totally agree. This is evidenced by the absolute lack of
musicianship on any of todays hits.
ANIM8Rfsk
wrote on 4/23/06 3:30 PM:
But they said 'artist' of the '20th Century' -- that not only puts her in
the same era as Carole King, it puts her up against everybody from Linda
Lovelace to Maya Angelou. Hence my 'wild overstatement' statement.
Flash Bazbo
wrote:
Here's a guide:
Love Joni Mitchell
Like Carol King
Hate Collins and Baez (nothing political, just based on writing and
vocal talent)
subscriber1997
"avery" <doom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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allow me to elucidate
Joni can write
Judy can't ...really
Joan is a lesbian more or less
Kris Baker
> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
>
>> >> > > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the
>> >> > > 20th
>> >> > > century. How do you feel about that?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
>> >> > overstatement.
>> >
>> > Seems like there ought to be someone above Joni. Though she's quite
>> > possibly the most influential female *songwriter*....
>> >
>> > But...Billie Holiday? Streisand? Aretha? Ella Fitzgerald? Patsy
>> > Cline? Joplin? Just trying to think of some possible challengers....
>>
>> Carole King? Carol Bayer Sager?
>
> decided they didn't quite stack up. Madonna, mainly because she
> simply hasn't been around as long. And King...well, enormous
> contribution as a songwriter, but I'm not sure if her *influence* is
> as great.
Doesn't she still hold the record for biggest selling album of all
time by a female singer?
Don't forget that she was an influential songwriter before she
released "Tapestry" (which I *do* think is pap)....but she
wrote lots of the music that boomers grew up with:
"Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" (The Shirelles, 1960)
"Pleasant Valley Sunday" (Monkees)
"The Loco-motion"
"One Fine Day"
"Take Good Care of My Baby" (Bobby Vee?)
"Crying in the Rain" (Everly Brothers)
"Up on the Roof" (The Drifters)
Kris
zaryza...@yahoo.com
dabu...@direct.ca wrote:
> http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1317
>
> Heart of a Prairie Girl
> © Reader's Digest July 2005
I wonder if Joni Mitchell realizes how much she comes across as a
nauseating, pompous blowhard in this interview.
> RD: Do you think there is anything right with today's music?
>
> Mitchell: I am sure there is, but I don't know.
>
> RD: You can't find it.
>
> Mitchell: I can't find it, but I'm in a rarefied position.
Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could all breathe the rarified air of
Joni Mitchell. I don't have her saying that she doesn't like a lot of
*popular* music these days, because it's not her taste or style or
whatever, but the question was about "today's" music, and the least she
could have said was that she only likes obscure stuff or she prefers
listening to older things. To say you don't like "today's music" and
not qualify it is pretty lame, considering how much variety there is
out there if you're willing to look at it for about 5 minutes.
When a formerly popular artist says something like "I don't like
today's music" without further comment, I basically interpret that as
"I preferred it 40 years ago when I was popular, and now I'm not, so I
don't like 'today's' music."
> RD: Have you ever watched American Idol or Canadian Idol?
>
> Mitchell: I watched a couple of [episodes] because my friends watch
> them. I find it unbearable.
>
> RD: Do you think it makes kids any more discerning when it comes to
> music?
>
> Mitchell: No. To be an artist, you have to know when you fail, and you
> have to know why. None of these kids competing are artists. They are
> deluded. They don't have the ability to be self-critical, which an
> artist needs. You have to be able to adjudicate yourself.
Wow. I'm not sure what to say here, because I do think that "AI" is a
pretty silly show (I'm not from Canada and haven't seen "Canadian
Idol," but I imagine it's similar). That being said, how do you go
around calling amateur singers non-artists and lacking the ability to
be self-critical without looking like pedantic?
> RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
> century. How do you feel about that?
>
> Mitchell: That's somebody's opinion. It is not for me to say, is it?
Puhleeeze. Greatest *female artist* in the 20th century?!?
For one thing, the category "female artists of the 20th century"
includes everybody from Virginia Woolf to Georgia O'Keefe Katherine
Hepburn to Maria Callas. But even if we assume the question was just
about 20th century female musical artists in some genre or subgenre of
popular music, we still have people like Ella Fitzgerald and Aretha
Franklin who, in my opinion, simply tower over Joni Mitchell.
And so for Joni Mitchell to say "oh, that's not for her to say" is
pretty absurd, when she should have said, at the very least, "That's
the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard" lest she risk looking like
the most full-of-herself person ever.
> RD: But how do you react to it?
>
> Mitchell: I get a trickle of feedback of my influence on the street.
> How extensive it is, I don't know. I can tell you this: I sell [fewer]
> records than any singer-songwriter - any female singer you can name -
> so either people are taping or they are passing on their record
> collection to their children. Jewel sells 15 million records. I sell
> 500,000. From my perspective, my influence is negligible.
Now she goes so far to the other extreme that she looks falsely modest.
She should have said something like, "I don't sell nearly as many
albums as someone like Jewel. I've had a lot of people come up to me
over the years and tell me they liked my music, which I appreciate
greatly." or something to that effect.
Kris Baker
> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
>
>> > And King...well, enormous
>> > contribution as a songwriter, but I'm not sure if her *influence* is
>> > as great.
>>
>> Doesn't she still hold the record for biggest selling album of all
>> time by a female singer?
>
> (http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/diamond.asp) indicates that
> honor is held by Shania Twain now. Albums by Celine Dion, Jewel,
> Whitney Houston, Britney Spears and Alanis Morissette have outsold
> Tapestry as well.
>
>> Don't forget that she was an influential songwriter before she
>> released "Tapestry" (which I *do* think is pap)....but she
>> wrote lots of the music that boomers grew up with:
>> "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" (The Shirelles, 1960)
>> "Pleasant Valley Sunday" (Monkees)
>> "The Loco-motion"
>> "One Fine Day"
>> "Take Good Care of My Baby" (Bobby Vee?)
>> "Crying in the Rain" (Everly Brothers)
>> "Up on the Roof" (The Drifters)
>
> maximally "influential"?
Each by themselves, no. But the body of her writing (hundreds of
hits), and the range of styles, is stunning. "Will You Still love Me
Tomorrow" was a groundbreaker.
Here's a longer list - things I didn't realize she'd done (or contributed
most of):
http://www.wanderlist.com/carolekingsongs
Theme to "Easy Rider"
"Hi De Ho" by Blood, Sweat and Tears?
Kris
Flesha
> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> > in article 1145814163.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,
> > dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
> >
> > Interesting interview, thanks.
> >
> > > century. How do you feel about that?
> >
>
Oh god.
Me too.
I guess who you love, as far as musicans go, is as much an emotional
and personal subject as anything to do with how good they are on any
kind of an objective level.
I had an INTENSE love affair in my youth.
While we were bumping uglies, there was Joni warbling in the
background.
"I wish I had a river...
I could skaaaaate away on......"
"I could drink a case of you...
and still be on my feet....."
I love love LOVE her.
William George Ferguson
Since Jewel Kirchner has had more than one hit, she wouldn't seem to
qualify. Heck, Golden Earring doesn't even really qualify as a one hit
wonder (now ? And The Mysterians, they qualify).
--
I have a theory, it could be bunnies
ANIM8Rfsk
OurOwnRon...@earthlinq.net wrote on 4/23/06 5:25 PM:
> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
>
>>> And King...well, enormous
>>> contribution as a songwriter, but I'm not sure if her *influence* is
>>> as great.
>>
>> Doesn't she still hold the record for biggest selling album of all
>> time by a female singer?
>
> Lamentably, the RIAA site
> (http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/diamond.asp) indicates that
> honor is held by Shania Twain now.
Oh, now, that's just bad news.
Albums by Celine Dion, Jewel,
> Whitney Houston, Britney Spears and Alanis Morissette have outsold
> Tapestry as well.
>
>> Don't forget that she was an influential songwriter before she
>> released "Tapestry" (which I *do* think is pap)....but she
>> wrote lots of the music that boomers grew up with:
>> "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" (The Shirelles, 1960)
>> "Pleasant Valley Sunday" (Monkees)
>> "The Loco-motion"
>> "One Fine Day"
>> "Take Good Care of My Baby" (Bobby Vee?)
>> "Crying in the Rain" (Everly Brothers)
>> "Up on the Roof" (The Drifters)
>
Taylor
dabu...@direct.ca wrote:
> http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1317
>
> Heart of a Prairie Girl
> by Mary Aikins
> © Reader's Digest July 2005
>
> [snip]
>
> RD: Do you think there is anything right with today's music?
>
> Mitchell: I am sure there is, but I don't know.
>
> RD: You can't find it.
>
> Mitchell: I can't find it, but I'm in a rarefied position.
>
> RD: Have you ever watched American Idol or Canadian Idol?
>
> Mitchell: I watched a couple of [episodes] because my friends watch
> them. I find it unbearable.
>
> RD: Do you think it makes kids any more discerning when it comes to
> music?
>
> Mitchell: No. To be an artist, you have to know when you fail, and you
> have to know why. None of these kids competing are artists. They are
> deluded. They don't have the ability to be self-critical, which an
> artist needs. You have to be able to adjudicate yourself.
>
> RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
> century. How do you feel about that?
>
> Mitchell: That's somebody's opinion. It is not for me to say, is it?
>
> RD: But how do you react to it?
>
> Mitchell: I get a trickle of feedback of my influence on the street.
> How extensive it is, I don't know. I can tell you this: I sell [fewer]
> records than any singer-songwriter - any female singer you can name -
> so either people are taping or they are passing on their record
> collection to their children. Jewel sells 15 million records. I sell
> 500,000. From my perspective, my influence is negligible.
>
> [snip]
> ===
>
"Well, I guess it's true what they say-- they paved paradise and put up
a parking lot." ('Will & Grace' shortly after the marriage ceremony of
Grace and Leo)
Taylor
mc wrote:
> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>
>>in article 1145814163.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,
>>dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
>>
>>Interesting interview, thanks.
>>
>>
>>>RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
>>>century. How do you feel about that?
>>
>>Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild overstatement.
>
>
> I love her, so I agree with it :D
>
> I love how she says the singers on AI are deluded...so is the audience,
> which is why it's such a hit!
>
> mc
>
Which makes pinhead (U.S.) network executives think 'Celebrity Cooking
Showdown' could hit, too!
Taylor (who HATES Mitchell's rendition of "Big Yellow Taxi"!)
record hunter
avery wrote:
> "record hunter" <record...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145827662....@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> in article 1145814163.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,
> >> dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
> >>
> >> Interesting interview, thanks.
> >>
> >> > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
> >> > century. How do you feel about that?
> >>
> >> Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
> >> overstatement.
> >
> > cites her as a major influence. Unfair, but it's there.
>
> If I try really hard, I can kind of untangle Joni Mitchell from Judy Collins
> and Carole King, but they all kind of meld into tangled imagery of folksy
> acoustic guitar, crocheted togs and long hair. Joan Baez stands apart, but
> that's probably because I saw her in the Woodstock movie and because she had
> short hair.
I'm talking *this* generation of singers.
JacquesZMonkey
zaryza...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I wonder if Joni Mitchell realizes how much she comes across as a
> nauseating, pompous blowhard in this interview.
>
> I don't have her saying that she doesn't like a lot of
> *popular* music these days, because it's not her taste or style or
> whatever, but the question was about "today's" music, and the least she
> could have said was that she only likes obscure stuff or she prefers
> listening to older things.
>
> And so for Joni Mitchell to say "oh, that's not for her to say" is
> pretty absurd, when she should have said, at the very least, "That's
> the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard" lest she risk looking like
> the most full-of-herself person ever.
>
Yes, "oh, that's not for her to say" is far worse than declaring
yourself the "King Of All Media" or the "King Of Pop" or or anything
like that. She's just an incessant braggart is what she is.
And if you read this thread, you'd realize that some people agree with
the statement, or at least consider her a contender (especially in the
musical category), so it's hardly like she's some .200 hitter in
baseball claiming to be the best.
>
> Now she goes so far to the other extreme that she looks falsely modest.
> She should have said something like, "I don't sell nearly as many
> albums as someone like Jewel. I've had a lot of people come up to me
> over the years and tell me they liked my music, which I appreciate
> greatly." or something to that effect.
You start off the post by saying she's coming across as a "nauseating,
pompous blowhard" and then you go on to repeatedly state what she
"should" have said.
Hmm. Who is being the blowhard?
I'm not a fan of Mitchell, but she seems to treat interviews as a means
to stating her mind and not giving the "correct" answers, as so many
artists do. Most artists are so worried about staying popular and
selling product that they give safe generic answers (like what you
recommended).
Donna B
<qVS2g.4054$cc.844@trndny05>, "avery" <doom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "record hunter" <record...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145827662....@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> >> in article 1145814163.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,
> >> dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
> >>
> >> Interesting interview, thanks.
> >>
> >> > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
> >> > century. How do you feel about that?
> >>
> >> Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
> >> overstatement.
> >
> > Practically every practitioner of indistinguishable whiny chick music
> > cites her as a major influence. Unfair, but it's there.
Jaysus. There's nothing unfair about what a phenomenal & positive influence
she has been on singer/songwriters to come after her, and on songwriting,
and performing, in general. If something's unfair, it's the road female
musicians have had to travel compared to male.
> If I try really hard, I can kind of untangle Joni Mitchell from Judy Collins
> and Carole King, but they all kind of meld into tangled imagery of folksy
> acoustic guitar,
When you can find Mitchell or King behind a piano as often, and neither is
limited to just piano, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, etc.
> crocheted togs and long hair. Joan Baez stands apart, but
> that's probably because I saw her in the Woodstock movie and because she had
> short hair.
Of course, she is known, like Collins, for the unusual timbre & quality of
her voice. Baez also was always known for her long long LONG coal black
hair. Now, she wears it short, but what's most distinctive about it now is
the shock of silver that is taking over the black.
I've got to guess that many people posting here have not heard much of these
artists' work.
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<FkR2g.135453$Lk3....@fe67.usenetserver.com>, "Major ChrisB"
<cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> you know, I've always liked Joni Mitchell's music but I'd have bet money on
> it that she died in the 70s
Why?
Gooserider
"mc" <mcsqu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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>
> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>> in article 1145814163.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,
>> dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
>>
>> Interesting interview, thanks.
>>
>> > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
>> > century. How do you feel about that?
>>
>> Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
>> overstatement.
>
>
> I love how she says the singers on AI are deluded...so is the audience,
> which is why it's such a hit!
>
> mc
Lots of artists are deluded, not just the ones on Idol. Kanye West comes to
mind.
AJ
I'm not suggesting every Joni Mitchell song is a song for the ages.
The song you quote from is fairly atypical in her ouevre. And was
also written in the 1960s and isn't from a particuarly strong album
(I believe "Big Yellow Taxi" is from "Ladies of the the Canyon.")
None of her albums have sold particularly well since "Court and Spark,"
which was in the mid-1970s. She has continued writing some
extraordinary songs since then. "Amelia," "Chinese Cafe" and "Sex Kills"
come to mind.
--AJ
Ken from Chicago
"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> in article 1145814163.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,
> dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
>
> Interesting interview, thanks.
>
>> century. How do you feel about that?
>
> Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild overstatement.
Entertainment "reporter" hype.
-- Ken from Chicago
AJ
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> x-no-archive: yes
>> news:1145827662....@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>> >> dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
>> >>
>> >> Interesting interview, thanks.
>> >>
>> >> > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the
>> >> > 20th
>> >> > century. How do you feel about that?
>> >>
>> >> Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
>> >> overstatement.
>> >
>> > cites her as a major influence. Unfair, but it's there.
>>
> Collins
>> and Carole King, but they all kind of meld into tangled imagery of folksy
>> that's probably because I saw her in the Woodstock movie and because she
> had
>> short hair.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Carole King wrote some incredibly good pop tunes (for other people)
as a very young woman in the early 1960s and Tapestry was a landmark
album. But I don't think her influence is nearly as deep or widespread
as Mitchell's.
And no album other than Tapestry ever garnered her the same kind
of critical acclaim.
--AJ
AJ
"Flash Bazbo" <djfl...@dlsfdslkf.cmk> wrote in message
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Collins and Baez are not really songwriters. While they've written
some songs of their own (including a couple I really like--Baez's
Diamonds and Rust, Collins' Houses), they are known for covers
of others people's songs.
--AJ
zaryza...@yahoo.com
JacquesZMonkey wrote:
> zaryza...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > And so for Joni Mitchell to say "oh, that's not for her to say" is
> > pretty absurd, when she should have said, at the very least, "That's
> > the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard" lest she risk looking like
> > the most full-of-herself person ever.
> >
>
> Yes, "oh, that's not for her to say" is far worse than declaring
> yourself the "King Of All Media" or the "King Of Pop" or or anything
> like that. She's just an incessant braggart is what she is.
First of all, Michael Jackson doesn't go around calling *himself* the
King of Pop, at least to my knowledge. (He's got a ton of problems,
obviously, but that's not one of them.). Second, when Howard Stern
calls himself King of All Media, he's deliberately trying to add to his
public image as a swaggering radio shock-jock full of braggadocio. And
it's also meant to be taken somewhat ironically (or at least it was at
the beginning, now I'm less sure.)
> And if you read this thread, you'd realize that some people agree with
> the statement, or at least consider her a contender (especially in the
> musical category), so it's hardly like she's some .200 hitter in
> baseball claiming to be the best.
Of course not, I realize that some people like her a lot. But the most
important female artist of the 20th century? Like I said, when an
interviewer asks you a question like that, in my opinion, if you give
an answer like hers it sounds as if you go around considering the
possibility, which is pretty vain. Considering how vast that category
is, I'm not sure who I would say was the most important. But it
certainly wouldn't be Joni Mitchell.
> >
> > Now she goes so far to the other extreme that she looks falsely modest.
> > She should have said something like, "I don't sell nearly as many
> > albums as someone like Jewel. I've had a lot of people come up to me
> > over the years and tell me they liked my music, which I appreciate
> > greatly." or something to that effect.
>
> You start off the post by saying she's coming across as a "nauseating,
> pompous blowhard" and then you go on to repeatedly state what she
> "should" have said.
>
> Hmm. Who is being the blowhard?
I don't mind if you say I'm being a blowhard, because I'm just some guy
talking in a usenet newsgroup. But she's a famous singer being
interviewed for a magazine and ought to have the good sense to think
about how she's coming across.
> I'm not a fan of Mitchell, but she seems to treat interviews as a means
> to stating her mind and not giving the "correct" answers, as so many
> artists do. Most artists are so worried about staying popular and
> selling product that they give safe generic answers (like what you
> recommended).
Well, I agree that someone like her shouldn't have to try and give
correct answers to these things. But on the other hand, if I were
being interviewed for a magazine like this, I would try hard not to
make it seem as if over the last 40 years I had had so much smoke blown
up my ass that it was starting to come out of my eyeballs. In other
words, she's coming across as utterly self-important, which is
unfortunate because it's not as if she doesn't have any talent.
In a way I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt here, by
saying that she only *comes across* as a nauseauting, pompous blowhard,
and that she merely gave answers that belied her true self. But maybe
I was being too generous, and she gave answers that were perfectly apt,
because she is, in fact, a nauseating, pompous blowhard.
ANIM8Rfsk
goose...@mousepotato.com wrote on 4/24/06 3:52 AM:
Wow. You think a LOT more of Kanye West than I do.
AJ
"Attila_The_Tongue" <attila40...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:13:35 GMT, Ronnie
> <OurOwnRon...@earthlinq.net> wrote:
>
>>> > > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the
>>> > > 20th
>>> > > century. How do you feel about that?
>>> >
>>> > Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
>>> > overstatement.
>>
>>possibly the most influential female *songwriter*....
>>
>>But...Billie Holiday? Streisand? Aretha? Ella Fitzgerald? Patsy
>>Cline? Joplin? Just trying to think of some possible challengers....
>
>
> Musically, Mitchell is quite the wild card. She's skilled and
> knowledgeable about jazz and pop, and can hold her own with some very
> skilled jazz players. Heijera, anybody?
Speaking of Hejira, Cassandra Wilson has recently done an
incredible cover of "Black Crow."
--AJ
subscriber1997
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:34:52 -0400, Donna B
> <shall...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> If something's unfair, it's the road female
>>musicians have had to travel compared to male.
>
>
> by sexist boys".
>
> Women dont have it any harder or easier than men in music. In fact,
> the competition between male musicians, is actually more fierce. I've
> worked with many women over the years, and have seen little
> discrimination towards the women who were skilled players. The
> converse is actually true: the skilled female players actually got
> MORE work because of the novelty factor.
>
> The only women standing around screaming about discrimination were the
> bozos who never bothered to learn how to play.
>
> I once overheard a punk grrrl bass player, whose band had just
> finished probly one of the worst, most unskilled sets of music I have
> had the displeasure of enduring, tell her girlfriend: "girls dont have
> to be good musicians. Nobody expects us to be anyway".
==================
yeah baby
hot chicks rule
fruitbat
> dabu...@direct.ca wrote:
> > http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1317
> >
> > Heart of a Prairie Girl
> > by Mary Aikins
> > © Reader's Digest July 2005
>
> nauseating, pompous blowhard in this interview.
I read it much differently...
> > RD: Do you think there is anything right with today's music?
> >
> > Mitchell: I am sure there is, but I don't know.
> >
> > RD: You can't find it.
> >
> > Mitchell: I can't find it, but I'm in a rarefied position.
>
> Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could all breathe the rarified air of
> Joni Mitchell. I don't have her saying that she doesn't like a lot of
> *popular* music these days, because it's not her taste or style or
> whatever, but the question was about "today's" music, and the least she
> could have said was that she only likes obscure stuff or she prefers
> listening to older things.
She could have said a lot of things, but I prefer that she say what
she's thinking, no matter how it might come across.
> When a formerly popular artist says something like "I don't like
> today's music" without further comment, I basically interpret that as
> "I preferred it 40 years ago when I was popular, and now I'm not, so I
> don't like 'today's' music."
I prefer much of the music from 40 years ago to much made today, and I
wasn't popular (or alive) back then... Maybe she just has good taste.
Which is not to say that there's absolutely no truly good music today
(and if Mitchell believes that, I would disagree), but in terms of
Idol-style pop (which is more or less the subject of discussion)
there's arguably very little.
> > RD: Have you ever watched American Idol or Canadian Idol?
> >
> > Mitchell: I watched a couple of [episodes] because my friends watch
> > them. I find it unbearable.
> >
> > RD: Do you think it makes kids any more discerning when it comes to
> > music?
> >
> > Mitchell: No. To be an artist, you have to know when you fail, and you
> > have to know why. None of these kids competing are artists. They are
> > deluded. They don't have the ability to be self-critical, which an
> > artist needs. You have to be able to adjudicate yourself.
>
> Wow. I'm not sure what to say here, because I do think that "AI" is a
> pretty silly show (I'm not from Canada and haven't seen "Canadian
> Idol," but I imagine it's similar). That being said, how do you go
> around calling amateur singers non-artists and lacking the ability to
> be self-critical without looking like pedantic?
I don't think "pedantic" quite fits. "Arrogant", maybe... Do you
consider the AI singers "artists"? I don't. Show me what art they've
created. As for lacking the ability to be self-critical, maybe she went
too far there. I'm sure not all of them are completely clueless, but,
well, most of them do seem to be.
> > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
> > century. How do you feel about that?
> >
> > Mitchell: That's somebody's opinion. It is not for me to say, is it?
>
> Puhleeeze. Greatest *female artist* in the 20th century?!?
>
> For one thing, the category "female artists of the 20th century"
> includes everybody from Virginia Woolf to Georgia O'Keefe Katherine
> Hepburn to Maria Callas.
You know very well the discussion is purely about music, so now who's
being pedantic?
> But even if we assume the question was just
> about 20th century female musical artists in some genre or subgenre of
> popular music, we still have people like Ella Fitzgerald and Aretha
> Franklin who, in my opinion, simply tower over Joni Mitchell.
True, there are plenty of others worthy of consideration. "You've been
called" (the actual wording) does not equal "You are", nor does
Mitchell appear to claim any part of that title.
> And so for Joni Mitchell to say "oh, that's not for her to say" is
> pretty absurd, when she should have said, at the very least, "That's
> the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard" lest she risk looking like
> the most full-of-herself person ever.
It doesn't make her look full of herself at all. It simply indicates
that she accepts that others consider her a great influence, and leaves
the determination up to them. Your writing responses for her is a bit
silly, I think. She should have said whatever she honestly felt.
> > RD: But how do you react to it?
> >
> > Mitchell: I get a trickle of feedback of my influence on the street.
> > How extensive it is, I don't know. I can tell you this: I sell [fewer]
> > records than any singer-songwriter - any female singer you can name -
> > so either people are taping or they are passing on their record
> > collection to their children. Jewel sells 15 million records. I sell
> > 500,000. From my perspective, my influence is negligible.
>
> Now she goes so far to the other extreme that she looks falsely modest.
Actually, I saw it as tinged with bitterness (slightly), not false
modesty. She's aware of her influence (rightly so), and disappointed by
her corresponding sales, and maybe a little annoyed that other female
singer-songwriters are more popular...
Jeff
record hunter
Attila_The_Tongue wrote:
> Musically, Mitchell is quite the wild card. She's skilled and
> knowledgeable about jazz and pop, and can hold her own with some very
> skilled jazz players. Heijera, anybody?
Mmmm....Hejira is one of my favorite Joni albums.
kyle...@yahoo.com
ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> in article 1145814163.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,
> dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
>
> Interesting interview, thanks.
>
> > century. How do you feel about that?
>
Yeah, it sure does. I know she influenced, say, Kate Bush, but Bush
herself is something of a fringe figure these days. Plus I think it's
been quite a while since Mitchell's put out anything that really
influenced anyone important.
ANIM8Rfsk
attila40...@yahoo.com wrote on 4/24/06 8:32 AM:
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:56:04 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> in article n8T2g.4780$mu2...@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net, Kris Baker at
>> kris....@prodigyy.net wrote on 4/23/06 3:24 PM:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ronnie" <OurOwnRon...@earthlinq.net> wrote in message
>>> news:j_S2g.63416$F_3....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>> RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
>>>>>>> century. How do you feel about that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild
>>>>>> overstatement.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like there ought to be someone above Joni. Though she's quite
>>>> possibly the most influential female *songwriter*....
>>>>
>>>> But...Billie Holiday? Streisand? Aretha? Ella Fitzgerald? Patsy
>>>> Cline? Joplin? Just trying to think of some possible challengers....
>>>
>>> Carole King? Carol Bayer Sager?
>>>
>> Wendy Carlos.
>
>
> Hahahahahahahahaha!
Cool - at least SOMEBODY got that! :-)
>
> I got Walters' Switched on Bach in QUAD vinyl.
>
> Top that.
>
>
>
aspidistra
office. If she was commenting on how she couldn't stand watching Idol and
the contestants were deluded, it would have been season four - who knows who
she saw when she briefly turned it on? It could have been those "worst"
auditions they play at the beginning. I am sure she didn't watch a whole
season of it to catch the good parts...It would be so great to have someone
like her come on the show and coach the Idols. Someone who would never say
"so and so will do great with this song..." I remember Gladys Knight as a
guest judge. Even though she gave some unwarranted praise, she also dared to
criticize the ones she didn't care for. I think she was the only guest judge
to say anything that wasn't sugar coated. It doesn't do these kids any good
to patronize them by saying "great job" when they were horrible. I have a
feeling Joni Mitchell would give honest reviews.
parula
<kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>
>> She writes pleasant drivel. Joni Mitchell writes first-rate music
>> and her lyrics are unbelievably good. Only person who can
>> compare to her as a lyricists (in the 2oth century) is Stephen
>> Sondheim.
>>
>> --AJ
>
>I've heard plenty of Joni Mitchell drivel ("paved Paradise, put
>up a parking lot" was just a take-off on "little boxes filled
>with ticky tacky" from another writer).
>
>Kris
>
You're mistaken about this. "Little Boxes" is a song (by Malvina
Reynolds) about 1950s suburbia and the sameness of the culture it
produced. "Big Yellow Taxi" deals with unchecked development and
subsequent environmental degradation equating with the dissolution of
a love relationship. One did not derive at all from the other, unless
you lump all songs dealing with the culture and environment as
springing from some single thought. The tone is quite different
between the songs, too. "Little Boxes" is straightforward and pretty
heavy-handed in its message. BYT is much more emotionally complicated
and oblique, to my ear, anyway.
parula
parula
<OurOwnRon...@earthlinq.net> wrote:
>Attila_The_Tongue <attila40...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah,
>> music is completely disposable now and the publics short attention
>> span is one of the main reason for the continuing parade of this weeks
>> cute model as singer. Monday you're new, Friday you're thru.
>
>It's remarkable how grayhaired Usenet has become, as young 'uns turn
>away to rival discussion vehicles like MySpace. The "crusty old
>poop" factor continues to rise in this thread.
>
>There is loads of good music today. It's just a bit harder to find
>good *top-selling* music.
>
Exactly right. There's some terrific music being written and produced.
But you're not going to hear it on the radio or find it on any kind of
major label. The mainstream music business wants formulaic product
only, like the interchangeable teen poptarts that come and go (Britney
Spears is the model), the complaint-rock whiner guybands (Green Day
seems to be the current model to copy) or this week's hiphop pimpboy
named Lil Somethingorother.
Sometimes I hope that the wasteland that is topselling music currently
is a phase like the 60s before the Beatles/British Invasion turned
everything upside down. There were some great songs then (Brill
Building stuff, early Motown, the music of James Brown, BBKing and
other black musicians who were played on black stations), but there
was a TON of Tin Pan Alley dreck clogging the radio.
parula
parula
<attila40...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 24 Apr 2006 09:49:48 -0700, "fruitbat" <fru1...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Do you
>>consider the AI singers "artists"?
>
>
>HAHAHA! As if.
>
>
>
>> I don't. Show me what art they've
>>created.
>
>
>I think that dpeends on your definition of "art". Most of the audience
>only seems to care about the entertainment factors: the singers' nice
>voice and their nice clothes and their performance of somebody else's
>song. The hell with the art. On most of the episodes, theres not even
>anybody onstage playing a musical instrument or doing an original song
>they wrote; but no one seems to care or even notice. "Artists". LOL!
>
It's karaoke. Which is fine, but art it ain't, and artists they are
not. I don't even care for the overblown singing style that's
currently so popular with this crowd (thanks a shitload, Mariah).
Everything song sounds essentially the same. Which is JMHO, of course,
and I know millions pant each week to see who gets the boot. But from
what I've seen AI is more of a factory producing product than a
singing showcase.
parula
orwell...@usa.com
> mc wrote:
>
>
> Taylor (who HATES Mitchell's rendition of "Big Yellow Taxi"!)
Well, she did *write* the song, you know, so her version certainly has
some credibility.
julian_...@lycos.com
Ronnie wrote:
> > > > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
> > > > century. How do you feel about that?
> > >
> > > Yikes. I like Joni Mitchell, but that sure seems like wild overstatement.
>
> Seems like there ought to be someone above Joni. Though she's quite
> possibly the most influential female *songwriter*....
>
> But...Billie Holiday? Streisand? Aretha? Ella Fitzgerald? Patsy
> Cline? Joplin? Just trying to think of some possible challengers....
Laura Nyro
zaryza...@yahoo.com
fruitbat wrote:
> zaryza...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > dabu...@direct.ca wrote:
> She could have said a lot of things, but I prefer that she say what
> she's thinking, no matter how it might come across.
Ok, although in a way I was trying to give her the benefit of the
doubt, meaning that I was hoping that she only *came across* as (imho)
a nauseating, pompous blowhard and not that she *actually was* one.
> > When a formerly popular artist says something like "I don't like
> > today's music" without further comment, I basically interpret that as
> > "I preferred it 40 years ago when I was popular, and now I'm not, so I
> > don't like 'today's' music."
>
> I prefer much of the music from 40 years ago to much made today, and I
> wasn't popular (or alive) back then... Maybe she just has good taste.
Maybe, but when you say you like music from 40 years ago, you don't
have a stake in that. Indeed, as you say, you weren't even born then.
But when she says it, I can't help but wonder if it isn't sour grapes.
> > Wow. I'm not sure what to say here, because I do think that "AI" is a
> > pretty silly show (I'm not from Canada and haven't seen "Canadian
> > Idol," but I imagine it's similar). That being said, how do you go
> > around calling amateur singers non-artists and lacking the ability to
> > be self-critical without looking like pedantic?
>
> I don't think "pedantic" quite fits. "Arrogant", maybe...
Fair enough.
> Do you
> consider the AI singers "artists"? I don't. Show me what art they've
> created.
I couldn't agree more. But I don't think even the show's performers
and creators pretend they're creating great art. It's pretty obvious
that it's a glorified talent show, and to complain that it isn't art is
like someone going to McDonald's and complaining that food today isn't
gourmet enough.
> > > RD: You've been called the most influential female artist of the 20th
> > > century. How do you feel about that?
> > >
> > > Mitchell: That's somebody's opinion. It is not for me to say, is it?
> >
> > Puhleeeze. Greatest *female artist* in the 20th century?!?
> >
> > For one thing, the category "female artists of the 20th century"
> > includes everybody from Virginia Woolf to Georgia O'Keefe Katherine
> > Hepburn to Maria Callas.
>
> You know very well the discussion is purely about music, so now who's
> being pedantic?
Well, ok. But they did say "artist" without any qualifiers.
> > And so for Joni Mitchell to say "oh, that's not for her to say" is
> > pretty absurd, when she should have said, at the very least, "That's
> > the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard" lest she risk looking like
> > the most full-of-herself person ever.
>
> It doesn't make her look full of herself at all. It simply indicates
> that she accepts that others consider her a great influence, and leaves
> the determination up to them. Your writing responses for her is a bit
> silly, I think. She should have said whatever she honestly felt.
Well, I guess. Maybe I'm being to harsh because she gave a
spur-of-the-moment answer. But to me, when somebody says something
like that, an answer like hers runs the risk of making her sound as if
she thinks it's at least a possibility, which, in my opinion, it really
isn't.
> > > RD: But how do you react to it?
> > >
> > > Mitchell: I get a trickle of feedback of my influence on the street.
> > > How extensive it is, I don't know. I can tell you this: I sell [fewer]
> > > records than any singer-songwriter - any female singer you can name -
> > > so either people are taping or they are passing on their record
> > > collection to their children. Jewel sells 15 million records. I sell
> > > 500,000. From my perspective, my influence is negligible.
> >
> > Now she goes so far to the other extreme that she looks falsely modest.
>
> Actually, I saw it as tinged with bitterness (slightly), not false
> modesty. She's aware of her influence (rightly so), and disappointed by
> her corresponding sales, and maybe a little annoyed that other female
> singer-songwriters are more popular...
Well, could be.
flkofcguls
Taylor wrote:
> mc wrote:
>
> > ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> >
> >>in article 1145814163.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com,
> >>dabu...@direct.ca at dabu...@direct.ca wrote on 4/23/06 10:42 AM:
> >>
> >>Interesting interview, thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>>century. How do you feel about that?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > I love how she says the singers on AI are deluded...so is the audience,
> > which is why it's such a hit!
> >
> > mc
> >
>
> Showdown' could hit, too!
>
> Taylor (who HATES Mitchell's rendition of "Big Yellow Taxi"!)
Uh, it's her song. Whose rendition do you like?
fmomoon
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anyone else singing his music.
--
Moni (fmomoon)
JacquesZMonkey
JacquesZMonkey
parula wrote:
the complaint-rock whiner guybands (Green Day
> seems to be the current model to copy)
I think "try" to emulate is more like. Because none of those young
bands come close to the quality of the "American Idiot" album and tour.
I wasn't a fan of theirs a year ago, but after seeing them in concert
and listening to their entire album repeatedly, they've become one of
my favorites.
The Chris
news:Fdc3g.66870$7a.18603@pd7tw1no:
With Gladys Knight, it was all about *Jondra* :)
Sanna
> With Gladys Knight, it was all about *Jondra* :)
LOL. I can't believe you just typed that. It's been 3 years and that's
gotta be your first time huh?
--
JacquesZMonkey
Attila_The_Tongue wrote:
But from
> >what I've seen AI is more of a factory producing product than a
> >singing showcase.
> >
>
>
> and then buy the albums?
That they like the show and the albums. Nothing more; nothing less.
I don't even care for the show (mostly caught the bad singers in the
beginning), but to hear people go on and on about how it's the downfall
of music got old a few years ago.
Was popular music in a better state the year before it came on the air?
Not from my ears.
And another thing people seem to forget is that there used to be a lot
of complaining that pop singers didn't actually sing (they were lip
synching or their voices were enhanced). Now at least we know these
people can sing. And in the tryouts, they don't even get backup music.
Whether you consider them artists or not, at least they're singers.
Most of popular music has always been bad. I just don't think AI has
had much of an influence in its quality.
Newport
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record hunter
Newport wrote:
> Joni wasn't very good
Whatever modicum of taste I might once have thought you guilty of...now
gone.
record hunter
Presumably, it was the people who lived in the Little Boxes who parked
their cars in BYT's parking lot.
The Chris
news:e2lgm...@news2.newsguy.com:
I thought it was last season that she said that...... These days, whenever
I hear the word 'genre'.... it's the FIRST thing I think of :)
Sandi
"The Chris" <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B08D5...@129.250.170.86...
Yep, just heard Ace say it in an interview (correctly), and immediately
"jondra" came to mind. :)
Sandi
Donna B
<ccrp42hb1pe2q7nlt...@4ax.com>, Attila_The_Tongue
<attila40...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:34:52 -0400, Donna B
> <shall...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > If something's unfair, it's the road female
> > musicians have had to travel compared to male.
>
> oh good grief. Here it comes. "WAAAHHHH I Was ignored in a music store
> by sexist boys".
Good grief. You just keep coming up with the most inane non sequiturs. At
first I thought it was your sense of humor. 'Ignored in a music store?' Have
trouble connecting the dots much? LOL. How absurd.
--
Donna B : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel
"If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't
shut up." -Dorothy Gambrell
Sanna
> I thought it was last season that she said that......
Nooooo. She said it during American Juniors back in the summer of 2003.
>These days, whenever I hear the word 'genre'.... it's the FIRST thing I
>think of :)
Oh yeah, tell me about it. I'm afraid that I'll actually say it sometime.
Can you imagine if your hanging with your band and said something like,
"good tune but it's not the jondra that I dig"? lol
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The Chris
news:e2lrp...@news2.newsguy.com:
I NEVER watched 'American Juniors' - so I didn't hear it there... She
might have said it there first, but, I'm sure I saw it on AI.
The Chris
dndSkXacGJNDZn...@comcast.com:
I'm with you in the Dylan camp... But, I thought Mitchell had a beautiful
voice... At least she hit notes :)
Donna B
<Xns97B09D9...@129.250.170.86>, The Chris
<cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> "fmomoon" <fmomoo...@comcast.net> wrote in news:vo-
> dndSkXacGJNDZn...@comcast.com:
>
> > Hey, Bob Dylan wrote his own stuff (and well), but I prefer pretty much
> > anyone else singing his music.
>
> I'm with you in the Dylan camp... But, I thought Mitchell had a beautiful
> voice... At least she hit notes :)
Have to agree about both Dylan and Mitchell. One, a remarkable song writer;
the other, both a remarkable song writer as well as live performer & in
studio, as well. Seeing her live was a highlight, a very special birthday
present, a long while back.
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"In art you become familiar with due process. You can't simply write people
off or send them to hell." - Saul Bellow, RAVELSTEIN, 2000
Callen Molenda
My very well read but not formally educated husband has a habit of
mispronouncing words that he's read but hasn't actually heard. Every time
he says "genre" (pronouncing it correctly) I have to stop myself from saying
"don't you mean "jondra"? He wouldn't find it as amusing as I do.
Callen in VA
Major ChrisB
"Donna B" <shall...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a0po42d4d030oc18p...@4ax.com...
> In rec.arts.tv on Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:20:48 +0100 in Msg.#
> <FkR2g.135453$Lk3....@fe67.usenetserver.com>, "Major ChrisB"
> <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> you know, I've always liked Joni Mitchell's music but I'd have bet money
>> on
>> it that she died in the 70s
>
> Why?
dunno...I just always assumed she was dead....most of those 70's druggie
folk music people are...
Donna B
<kcw3g.116181$8_.2...@fe06.usenetserver.com>, "Major ChrisB"
<cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Donna B" <shall...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:a0po42d4d030oc18p...@4ax.com...
> > In rec.arts.tv on Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:20:48 +0100 in Msg.#
> > <FkR2g.135453$Lk3....@fe67.usenetserver.com>, "Major ChrisB"
> > <cgbrannig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> you know, I've always liked Joni Mitchell's music but I'd have bet money
> >> on it that she died in the 70s
> >
> > Why?
>
> dunno...I just always assumed she was dead....most of those 70's druggie
> folk music people are...
Most of the folk music people from the 60s & 70s are still alive. The
exception is the small group that is already dead & most of them died very
young. And, that could be applied to rockers, too - most alive, small group
dead.
Lancebowski
music?
Mitchell: No. To be an artist, you have to know when you fail, and you
have to know why. None of these kids competing are artists. They are
deluded. They don't have the ability to be self-critical, which an
artist needs. You have to be able to adjudicate yourself."
---------
Have to agree with her (one of my favorite songwriter-singers);
artistry in large part deals with having something to communicate (born
of and forged by introspection and self-criticism) to a larger
audience, and the ability *TO* communicate.
For sure, the title of the show isn't "American Artist"...so the show
isn't shilling the public...but...there's no "IT" with most of these
kids. Which is surprising, since AI is _designed_ to be a popularity
contest; even the "charisma" projected by the vast majority of the
contestants is manufactured.
Example: former winner Kelly clarkson. Take a look at her latest music
video:
http://music.aol.com/videos/newthisweek.adp
Voice: manufactured by the "star-making machinery of the popular song".
Look in her eyes: Artistically blank. The whole thing is all faux
bling, folks. And you can go down the list of AI winners in like
fashion (even Fantasia got caught up in this shit).
I was going to get into a whole Burt Bacharach/Ron Isley counter-segue
but I'll cut it short.
http://www.pbs.org/wttw/soundstage/risley/bio.htm
(Who am I streaming in a custom station while posting this? Joni
(covering "Stormy Weather" ;) ), Miles, Robert Fripp, Dylan, R.L.
Burnside, Son House, Herbie Hancock.)
Lancebowski
fmomoon
Welcome to the dark side. Now if you start posting about vobrato, we'll
know we have your soul at last. bwhahahahahahahaha....
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Moni (fmomoon)
Newport
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Sanna
> My very well read but not formally educated husband has a habit of
> mispronouncing words that he's read but hasn't actually heard. Every time
> he says "genre" (pronouncing it correctly) I have to stop myself from
> saying "don't you mean "jondra"? He wouldn't find it as amusing as I do.
No no no. You should've said, "I don't want to embarrass you, but it's
pronounced Jondra, honey." Then show him a tape of Gladys Knight
pronouncing it that way and he'd be convinced that you are correct.
We won't let him in on the secret.
--
record hunter
Newport wrote:
> I suppose folk is naturally a little more tolerable than rock.
What kind of music *do* you like (if any)?
Newport
pop music I found tolerable was Bacharach/David.
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kemc
"fmomoon" <fmomoo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Hey, Bob Dylan wrote his own stuff (and well), but I prefer pretty much
> anyone else singing his music.
Bob Dylan & Barry Manilow are the only two live concerts I ever
fell asleep during.
Edna.
Newport
From: ke...@nrtco.net (kemc)
asleep during.
They're also unattractive. But then, so was Elvis.
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