Monk Finale
marcus
I sent the following email to several Monk fans on my email list a
good 12 hours before the finale aired:
"I have not read anything about how Trudy's murder will be resolved,
but I have a theory, based on what we've seen so far.
Before she met Monk, she had a brief affair with "the Judge", became
pregnant (had an abortion). In 1997, when the judge was advancing in
his career, somehow he perceived her as a threat, and ordered her
killed."
Not bad...got the abortion thing wrong.
Arthur Lipscomb
"marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It was one of the better program endings I've ever seen.
Agreed.
>
> I sent the following email to several Monk fans on my email list a
> good 12 hours before the finale aired:
>
>
>
> "I have not read anything about how Trudy's murder will be resolved,
> but I have a theory, based on what we've seen so far.
>
> Before she met Monk, she had a brief affair with "the Judge", became
> pregnant (had an abortion). In 1997, when the judge was advancing in
> his career, somehow he perceived her as a threat, and ordered her
> killed."
>
How does this tie in with Dale the Whale? Didn't he have something to do
with ordering Trudy's murder?
KC
Dale told Monk that he knew that Trudy was the intended victim and
that a man named Warrick Tennyson had been hired to kill her (rig the
bomb, I guess). Monk found the guy, who admits that he was hired by a
six-fingered man to kill Trudy. The six-fingered man turned out to be
Frank Nunn, who was killed by a man hired by Dale. Some papers in
Nunn's home indicated he was hired by someone referred to as "The
Judge" and we now know who that was.
KC
Anim8rFSK
EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:41:46 -0800 (PST), Mark Lindamood
> <jazzyja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Okay, that "Monk" has completed its story without leaving loose ends
> >by getting cancelled half through its run, a question from an
> >occasional viewer: is it necessary to watch 6 years of DVDs to get to
> >the central story of the series (solving the wife's murder)?
>
> No. You can watch the two-part finale by itself and it makes sense. I
> watched the whole series and it wasn't a case where you'd remember details
And if you did, I think they'd just confuse you. None of the clews
we've had over the years ended up mattering.
> from earlier episodes and realize how important they were. They throw in
> enough flashbacks anyway. I liked the finale though it was obvious who did
> it after the first half.
LOL, it was obvious who did it before the opening credits of part one.
:)
It was much more serious in tone than most of the
> show has been. More like episodes from the first couple of seasons. The
> longer Monk went on, the more slapstick the humor became. The writing went
> down-hill a lot.
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Michael O'Connor
the Special Guest Star (or the most famous of the Guest Stars) was
almost always the killer.
Anim8rFSK
Robin Miller <Not_My@Real_Address.com> wrote:
> I know they had to solve Trudy's murder, as that was one of the central
> themes of the show. But so was Monk's desire to be reinstated to the
> police force, and that wasn't addressed at all.
Um, did you miss 2 weeks ago? They did a whole episode about that, it's
resolved.
Alan Curry
Pretty much. Although... what was Ed Begley Jr. doing there? By the "most
recognizable actor plays the killer" rule he would have been a plausible
suspect, except that he got killed off too soon. His part was so small I
expected the second half to feature him in a big important flashback scene.
--
Alan Curry
KC
>On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:08:25 -0600, Robin Miller <Not_My@Real_Address.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm going to disagree with the overall assessment in this thread. I
>>didn't care for the (two-episode) finale much at all. Reasons:
>>
>>The overall tone of the two episodes was serious and didn't reflect at
>>all the wonderful humor that made the show so enjoyable. The show has
>>had some marvelously clever one-liners by Monk throughout, but they were
>>almost completely missing from the finale.
>
>I loved the humor throughout the show but felt the humor in the first couple
>of seasons was much more subtle than the later seasons. Monk's OCD wasn't
>played strickly for laughs. The latter seasons devolved in to mostly
>slapstick humor to make fun of Monk. I will never forget how the series
>opened. Monk at a murder scene and all the cops impressed by this modern
>day Sherlock Holmes. Suddenly he's caught up in wondering whether he
>remembered to turn the stove off before leaving home.
>
>>Pulling this long-lost daughter of Trudy out of thin air didn't work for
>>me because the character had no meaning. We're supposed to see her as a
>>resurrected mini-Trudy? While she was a lovely young woman, I though
>>devoting much of the finale to a new character was a bizarre decision.
>
>I think her character was used to give Monk the closure he didn't get with
>uncovering Trudy's murderer. The daughter gave his life something good to
>look forward to for a change. Something that would help him in his
>recovery.
I liked this, too, because, as Natalie said, Monk has needed someone
to love since Trudy died. He certainly wasn't going to start dating,
so this worked for me.
KC
Anim8rFSK
KC <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:28:00 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> >KC <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>"Arthur Lipscomb" <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> >>>"marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It was one of the better program endings I've ever seen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Agreed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I sent the following email to several Monk fans on my email list a
> >>>> good 12 hours before the finale aired:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "I have not read anything about how Trudy's murder will be resolved,
> >>>> but I have a theory, based on what we've seen so far.
> >
> >>>> Before she met Monk, she had a brief affair with "the Judge", became
> >>>> pregnant (had an abortion). In 1997, when the judge was advancing in
> >>>> his career, somehow he perceived her as a threat, and ordered her
> >>>> killed."
> >
> >>>How does this tie in with Dale the Whale? Didn't he have something to do
> >>>with ordering Trudy's murder?
> >
> >>Dale told Monk that he knew that Trudy was the intended victim and
> >>that a man named Warrick Tennyson had been hired to kill her (rig the
> >>bomb, I guess). Monk found the guy, who admits that he was hired by a
> >>six-fingered man to kill Trudy. The six-fingered man turned out to be
> >>Frank Nunn, who was killed by a man hired by Dale. Some papers in
> >>Nunn's home indicated he was hired by someone referred to as "The
> >>Judge" and we now know who that was.
> >
> >And none of this had anything to do with the newspaper story Trudy was
> >researching before she died, as THAT episode said.
>
> Well, it was logical to assume that Trudy's article was the reason for
> her murder, especially since the article she wrote about Dale incensed
> *him* enough to sue her. It certainly looked like she had made another
> enemy.
>
> KC
Didn't her final message say something about TWO articles?
EGK
wrote:
>EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> I believe the episodes with Sharona were better written. Traylor Howard did
>> find as Natalie but the writing just wasn't as good. I think again, a large
>> part of that was that the episodes had a more serious tone when she was
>> there. A big difference was Sharona was Monk's nurse not his assistant.
>> You got the idea that Monk was fighting a battle with his OCD and wasn't
>> just a weird, keystone cop that the latter seasons created.
>
>Under Sharona's watch, I always Monk had lost control because he was so
>shattered by Trudy's death and before that he had been a normal
>detective. When they started going into his background and showing that
>he had been pretty much the same in grade school, it lost some of the
>impact, making his loss so much less. I believe that was a mistake. I
>wish they had shown him very happy with her, not already struggling
>with his disease.
I always got the impression that Monk always had OCD. He wasn't exactly
"normal" but Trudy helped him overcome much of it to the point he functioned
fine in the real world. When she was killed, everything got much worse.
But I think you're right that by delving in to his past, they overdid it way
too much. That was part of my complaint about them choosing to go for cheap
laughs all the time. It's basically the difference between playing the
stories straight and letting the humor flow from Monk's idiosyncrasies and
going the campy route. Too often the writers chose the latter and it only
increases as they started running out of ideas.
JJ
>> While he can tell her about her mother, that's really not the
>> foundation of a relationship.
>> (And she seemed to be taking her father having her mother killed
>> fairly well)
>
>And killed a couple other people, and himself. She's the product of a
>murder spree! :)
>> Brandon
>
>Yes to both of those. They played it as if Monk were her long lost
>father.
I finally saw the finale. It was pretty good. I liked all the
closure. And yes, I would think it more than a bit discomfitting if
I was an orphan and later found out that my bio dad had my bio mom
blown up and also had several other people whacked.
Um, when Randy says "I love you" to the Ass. DA on the phone, was that
supposed to make us think he was gay?
Professor Bubba
wrote:
> Um, when Randy says "I love you" to the Ass. DA on the phone, was that
> supposed to make us think he was gay?
Randy was actually talking to Sharona. He told the captain it was the
D.A. in an attempt to keep his relationship with Sharona a secret for a
little longer.
Adam H. Kerman
>Um, when Randy says "I love you" to the Ass. DA on the phone, was that
>supposed to make us think he was gay?
I don't think Leland has taken anything Randy has said at face value for
15 years.
Mark Nobles
Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
As if there were anybody (besides JJ, apparently) who didn't already
know.