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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
May 20, 2012, 10:42:01 PM5/20/12
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Do you know what a "hoagie" is?
The word was recently used on a TV show.
This surprised me, because I always thought it was unique to
Philadelphia to describe a long thick sandwhich; often called a "sub"
or "hero" in other places. Thus the sandwich chain "Subway".
Is this word used in other cities to describe a type of sandwich?
The word was recently used on a TV show.
This surprised me, because I always thought it was unique to
Philadelphia to describe a long thick sandwhich; often called a "sub"
or "hero" in other places. Thus the sandwich chain "Subway".
Is this word used in other cities to describe a type of sandwich?
Ken from Chicago
May 20, 2012, 11:12:11 PM5/20/12
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Chicago uses the word "hoagie" as well as "sub".
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=hoagie%2060603&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
-- Ken from Chicago
news:9de8c7ca-8377-43e6...@j25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=hoagie%2060603&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
-- Ken from Chicago
Michael Black
May 20, 2012, 11:34:27 PM5/20/12
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I think there's beene enough said about that type of sandwich that people
do know what is being mentioned. Just last week, the Vermont PBS station
reran "Sandwiches That You Will Like" and at least some of them fall into
that category, and different names used to refer to them. And I'm sure
Gayle on "Oprah" went looking for a "Best Sandwhich" at some point and
since she was visiting different cities, got to mention various names for
the same type of sandwich. I imagine with the growth of cooking channels,
the various names have become known to all, even if people tend to use the
name that is common in their area.
There was that movie, I think based on a book, "A Hero Ain't Nothing But A
Sandwich".
I'm sure I've known them first as Submarines, and I cant' remember if that
was here in Montreal, or when visiting Maine in the summer when a kid.
But I can't remember when I first knew some called them "heroes" and I
can't remember why I know some others call them "hoagies'. I do know
from somewhere that some people call them "poor boys".
They had on the news a few weeks ago that the "sandwich" was X numbers of
years old, the alleged date of when the Earl of Sandwich "created" the
item (the same guy had the Sandwich Islands named after him). But
apparently early sandwiches in the US were more like submarines (or
whatever) a roll sliced in the middle with things stuffed in there, rather
than two slices of bread. Not sure if that is folklore or not.
I remember the first time I saw a "Subway". It was 30 years ago on
Tuesday. I was around Groton/New London (I can never remember which is
which, one has the Electric Boat Company where the submarines are built,
the other has the submarine base) and when I came across a "Subway" store,
I assumed it was local, pulling on the real submarine angle. It was only
later that I learned differently. I also remember seeing a sign pointing
to "Mystic, CT", which later that decade the title of a film about a
pizzeria there.
Michael
JRStern
May 20, 2012, 11:56:27 PM5/20/12
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cheesesteaks, cream cheese, Rocky, and the Liberty Bell.
J.
Rhino
May 21, 2012, 12:19:21 AM5/21/12
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"Michael Black" <et...@ncf.ca> wrote in message
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of Sandwich was playing cards with some friends and didn't want to interrupt
the game to eat so he had a servant slap some meat between two slices of
bread as a quick meal.
Also, for those who are wondering where the Sandwich Islands are, that is
actually the old name for the Hawaiian Islands.
--
Rhino
Adam H. Kerman
May 21, 2012, 1:06:14 AM5/21/12
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Ken from Chicago <ken...@ymail.com> wrote:
places are on the sout' side, except the one in Waukegan.
>hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>Do you know what a "hoagie" is?
>>The word was recently used on a TV show.
>>This surprised me, because I always thought it was unique to
>>Philadelphia to describe a long thick sandwhich; often called a "sub"
>>or "hero" in other places. Thus the sandwich chain "Subway".
>>Is this word used in other cities to describe a type of sandwich?
>Chicago uses the word "hoagie" as well as "sub".
>http://maps.google.com/maps?q=hoagie%2060603&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
It's unusual to hear hoagie in Chicago. Interesting that all those
>>Do you know what a "hoagie" is?
>>The word was recently used on a TV show.
>>This surprised me, because I always thought it was unique to
>>Philadelphia to describe a long thick sandwhich; often called a "sub"
>>or "hero" in other places. Thus the sandwich chain "Subway".
>>Is this word used in other cities to describe a type of sandwich?
>Chicago uses the word "hoagie" as well as "sub".
>http://maps.google.com/maps?q=hoagie%2060603&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
places are on the sout' side, except the one in Waukegan.
Robin Miller
May 21, 2012, 1:31:44 AM5/21/12
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Michael Black wrote:
> I do know from somewhere that some people call them "poor boys".
New Orleans, but it's "Po'boys."
> I do know from somewhere that some people call them "poor boys".
--Robin
Duggy
May 21, 2012, 2:19:00 AM5/21/12
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hero! I want to live, Marge!" (Homer Simpson, The Simpsons).
===
= DUG.
===
mikeos
May 21, 2012, 2:27:15 AM5/21/12
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intersecting the Delaware and Schuylkyl Rivers. The Irish and Italian
people who lived there during the early 20th century where known as "Hog
Islanders."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoagie
Steve Bartman
May 21, 2012, 8:18:35 AM5/21/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 23:34:27 -0400, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca>
wrote:
>I'm sure I've known them first as Submarines, and I cant' remember if that
>was here in Montreal, or when visiting Maine in the summer when a kid.
In New London, CT, home of the USN's submarine forces, they are or
were called "grinders."
Steve
wrote:
>I'm sure I've known them first as Submarines, and I cant' remember if that
>was here in Montreal, or when visiting Maine in the summer when a kid.
were called "grinders."
Steve
Michael Black
May 21, 2012, 11:51:47 AM5/21/12
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"Subway" was a local place.
Michael
Michael Black
May 21, 2012, 11:55:01 AM5/21/12
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like that.
Reality is, I couldn't remember how they truncated "poor", so I left it as
is. I suspect your version is really what it's called, that while "poor
boy" is the meaning, it's never spoken or spelled that way.
Michael
Michael Black
May 21, 2012, 11:57:09 AM5/21/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012, Rhino wrote:
>> They had on the news a few weeks ago that the "sandwich" was X numbers of
>> years old, the alleged date of when the Earl of Sandwich "created" the item
>> (the same guy had the Sandwich Islands named after him).
>
> I'm not 100% sure this is accurate but I remember being told that the Earl of
> Sandwich was playing cards with some friends and didn't want to interrupt the
> game to eat so he had a servant slap some meat between two slices of bread as
> a quick meal.
>
That's the story I heard. He didn't name it, but apparently others
>> They had on the news a few weeks ago that the "sandwich" was X numbers of
>> years old, the alleged date of when the Earl of Sandwich "created" the item
>> (the same guy had the Sandwich Islands named after him).
>
> I'm not 100% sure this is accurate but I remember being told that the Earl of
> Sandwich was playing cards with some friends and didn't want to interrupt the
> game to eat so he had a servant slap some meat between two slices of bread as
> a quick meal.
>
started emulating the concept, and calling them Sandwiches.
> Also, for those who are wondering where the Sandwich Islands are, that is
> actually the old name for the Hawaiian Islands.
>
the Sandwich Islands.
Michael
Robin Miller
May 21, 2012, 12:16:00 PM5/21/12
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usually (not always, I suppose) how you see and hear it.
I've always found it interesting how many local words there are for a
submarine sandwich.
-Robin
Steve Bartman
May 21, 2012, 12:32:26 PM5/21/12
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>I remember the first time I saw a "Subway". It was 30 years ago on
>Tuesday. I was around Groton/New London (I can never remember which is
>which, one has the Electric Boat Company where the submarines are built,
>the other has the submarine base) and when I came across a "Subway" store,
>I assumed it was local, pulling on the real submarine angle. It was only
>later that I learned differently. I also remember seeing a sign pointing
>to "Mystic, CT", which later that decade the title of a film about a
>pizzeria there.
I went back and read your whole post after I posted the bit about
>Tuesday. I was around Groton/New London (I can never remember which is
>which, one has the Electric Boat Company where the submarines are built,
>the other has the submarine base) and when I came across a "Subway" store,
>I assumed it was local, pulling on the real submarine angle. It was only
>later that I learned differently. I also remember seeing a sign pointing
>to "Mystic, CT", which later that decade the title of a film about a
>pizzeria there.
grinders.
The two towns are very confusing in how the names are used. Groton is
on one side of the Thames River ("Thames", not "Tems") and New London
is on the other. The sub base, sub school, and Electric Boat are all
on the Groton side. But most often in the Navy you hear people refer
to "Sub Base, New London", or "Sub School, New London." To make it
more confusing there used to be a submarine tender docked at the pier
on the New London side, so there were subs there. But the sub base is
across the river.
I don't know how old "grinders" is--my father went through sub school
in 1960 and they had been called grinders for a long time already--or
if they were called that in response to other places calling them
submarine sandwiches and that the term might have been derogatory.
This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
spout), the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
think that would work today.
Steve
Michael Black
May 21, 2012, 1:14:40 PM5/21/12
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Michael
Obveeus
May 21, 2012, 2:23:44 PM5/21/12
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"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
> spout),
> the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
> the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
> think that would work today.
For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
For mayonaisse there is name recognition for 'Best Foods' vs. 'Hellmann's'.
Side note: on the TV show, ROSEANNE, they opened a 'loose meat sandwich
shop'. Was that also a sub/gringer/whatever or did it not count as the same
thing because the bun was not elongated?
Robin Miller
May 21, 2012, 2:46:48 PM5/21/12
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after a Trident.
--Robin
Michael Black
May 21, 2012, 4:03:35 PM5/21/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012, Obveeus wrote:
> Side note: on the TV show, ROSEANNE, they opened a 'loose meat sandwich
> shop'. Was that also a sub/gringer/whatever or did it not count as the same
> thing because the bun was not elongated?
>
I thought "loose meat" was defining something. I think I imagined
> Side note: on the TV show, ROSEANNE, they opened a 'loose meat sandwich
> shop'. Was that also a sub/gringer/whatever or did it not count as the same
> thing because the bun was not elongated?
>
hamburger meat just fried up so it's in little bits rather than a patty.
O think of a "sloppy joe", though that's complicated because you could put
the filling in an elongated bun and then you've got a grinder.
The elongated bun has to be a factor in making a hoagie or whatever. I
know one place here made their own buns (they started out making pizza)
but it was definitely elongated.
It's not really the filling that defines it, after all, a club sandwich
often has the same sort of things and layers as a submarine, but it is in
fact a club sandwich.
You should watch that PBS documentry, "Sandwiches That You Will Like",
since it did cover a wide swatch of sandwiches, including one where they
had some sort of loose meat in a bun (but not a submarine bun).
Michael
Steve Bartman
May 21, 2012, 5:08:25 PM5/21/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
>> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
>> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
>> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>> spout),
>
>Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
Hork, hork.
>
>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
>> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
>> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
>> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>> spout),
>
>Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
Where I grew up in VA the inside thing was a faucet, but the outside
thing the hose hooked to was a spigot. (Pronounced "spik-it.")
I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
but I've never heard it live.
>> the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
>> the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
>> think that would work today.
>
>There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
but it's national now. Most of the good regional brands have long ago
been bought up by congloms. More confusing, Breyers is also a major
ice cream brand.
>For mayonaisse there is name recognition for 'Best Foods' vs. 'Hellmann's'.
>Side note: on the TV show, ROSEANNE, they opened a 'loose meat sandwich
>shop'. Was that also a sub/gringer/whatever or did it not count as the same
>thing because the bun was not elongated?
Valley. On the show weren't they just shredded cheap cuts of beef on a
round bun?
Of the words I listed before I think poke is still used in the OV and
is pretty determinative of location. They sell pigs in 'em
dontchaknow. <g>
Steve
Mason Barge
May 21, 2012, 5:42:41 PM5/21/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 07:18:35 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
wrote:
I was going to mention grinders and New Haven, but I think we've been
through this at least once before.
Grinders and po' boys tend to be the best :)
Well cheesesteak, but that's a specific sandwich, not a generic type.
wrote:
through this at least once before.
Grinders and po' boys tend to be the best :)
Well cheesesteak, but that's a specific sandwich, not a generic type.
Mason Barge
May 21, 2012, 5:46:41 PM5/21/12
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brown. it's from Iowa. Like an unstuck hamburger or a sloppy joe without
the sauce.
Rhino
May 21, 2012, 6:19:00 PM5/21/12
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that name was in use until the 1840s when Hawaii gradually began to take
precedence. I expect "Sandwich Islands" was used at least occasionally for
decades after that, just as many people referred to the Soviet Union as
Russia for many years after Lenin seized power there.
I was interested to see that Captain James Cook named the Sandwich Islands
originally in the 1770s and that he named several OTHER Pacific islands with
the same name, even though they were not part of the same chain of islands.
That's a bit like George Forman naming all his sons George.....
--
Rhino
Obveeus
May 21, 2012, 8:14:34 PM5/21/12
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"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>> Three I
>>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>>> spout),
>>
>>Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>
> Hork, hork.
>
> Where I grew up in VA the inside thing was a faucet, but the outside
> thing the hose hooked to was a spigot. (Pronounced "spik-it.")
> I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
> but I've never heard it live.
>>There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>
> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
not 'spendy'.
>>For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
>
> Well, that's a brand-name thing. I think Edy's started out west coast,
> but it's national now.
Coast.
>Most of the good regional brands have long ago
> been bought up by congloms. More confusing, Breyers is also a major
> ice cream brand.
>>Side note: on the TV show, ROSEANNE, they opened a 'loose meat sandwich
>>shop'. Was that also a sub/gringer/whatever or did it not count as the
>>same
>>thing because the bun was not elongated?
>
> I think loose meat is an Ohio Valley/Pittsburgh thing. Maybe just Ohio
> Valley. On the show weren't they just shredded cheap cuts of beef on a
> round bun?
definitely not selling loose hamburger sandwiches. It was shaved / chipped
meat, just like you would get at a sub shop. The buns were round, I think,
though.
> Of the words I listed before I think poke is still used in the OV and
> is pretty determinative of location. They sell pigs in 'em
> dontchaknow. <g>
that it was like the Renaissance festival treat where the shredded meat is
served in an ice-cream cone.
suzeeq
May 21, 2012, 8:51:00 PM5/21/12
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Obveeus wrote:
> "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
>> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
>> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
>> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>> spout),
>
> Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>
>> the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
>> the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
>> think that would work today.
>
> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
I'd use 2 words on any of those above lists. Except maybe water, that'd
> "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
>> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
>> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
>> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>> spout),
>
> Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>
>> the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
>> the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
>> think that would work today.
>
> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
be faucet.
> For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
> For mayonaisse there is name recognition for 'Best Foods' vs. 'Hellmann's'.
a sandwich and call it that most of the time, even if it's a store brand
'salad dressing'.
> Side note: on the TV show, ROSEANNE, they opened a 'loose meat sandwich
> shop'. Was that also a sub/gringer/whatever or did it not count as the same
> thing because the bun was not elongated?
suzeeq
May 21, 2012, 8:52:20 PM5/21/12
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Steve Bartman wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
>>> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
>>> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
>>> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
>>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>>> spout),
>> Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>
> Hork, hork.
>
> Where I grew up in VA the inside thing was a faucet, but the outside
> thing the hose hooked to was a spigot. (Pronounced "spik-it.")
>
> I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
> but I've never heard it live.
>
>>> the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
>>> the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
>>> think that would work today.
>> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>
> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>
>> For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
>
> Well, that's a brand-name thing. I think Edy's started out west coast,
So did Dreyers - they both originated in the Bay Area, Oakland and Berkeley.
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
>>> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
>>> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
>>> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
>>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>>> spout),
>> Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>
> Hork, hork.
>
> Where I grew up in VA the inside thing was a faucet, but the outside
> thing the hose hooked to was a spigot. (Pronounced "spik-it.")
>
> I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
> but I've never heard it live.
>
>>> the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
>>> the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
>>> think that would work today.
>> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>
> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>
>> For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
>
> Well, that's a brand-name thing. I think Edy's started out west coast,
suzeeq
May 21, 2012, 10:21:12 PM5/21/12
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Obveeus wrote:
> "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>> Three I
>>>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>>>> spout),
>>> Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>> Hork, hork.
>>
>> Where I grew up in VA the inside thing was a faucet, but the outside
>> thing the hose hooked to was a spigot. (Pronounced "spik-it.")
>
> Sounds good. The word 'tap' is for beer, not water.
>
>> I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
>> but I've never heard it live.
>
> Maybe they use 'bubbler' in original flavor England?
>
>>> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
>> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>
> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
> not 'spendy'.
I use spendy quite a bit. I'm from the NW - my parents are from the
> "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>> Three I
>>>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>>>> spout),
>>> Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>> Hork, hork.
>>
>> Where I grew up in VA the inside thing was a faucet, but the outside
>> thing the hose hooked to was a spigot. (Pronounced "spik-it.")
>
> Sounds good. The word 'tap' is for beer, not water.
>
>> I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
>> but I've never heard it live.
>
> Maybe they use 'bubbler' in original flavor England?
>
>>> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
>> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>
> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
> not 'spendy'.
midwest but I never heard them say it. Forgot where I picked it up from,
maybe from someone in the NE or midwest...
Adam H. Kerman
May 21, 2012, 11:09:05 PM5/21/12
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Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
>but I've never heard it live.
That's a specific type of water fountain. The water is aerated and bubbles up
>I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
>but I've never heard it live.
from underneath. The ones that shoot out a stream of water are not bubblers.
anim8rFSK
May 22, 2012, 1:13:07 AM5/22/12
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In article <jpenth$gvg$2...@dont-email.me>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
wrote:
> Obveeus wrote:
> > "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
> >> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
> >> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
> >> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
> >> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
> >> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
> >> spout),
> >
> > Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
> >
> >> the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
> >> the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
> >> think that would work today.
> >
> > There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>
> I'd use 2 words on any of those above lists. Except maybe water, that'd
> be faucet.
>
> > For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
> > For mayonaisse there is name recognition for 'Best Foods' vs. 'Hellmann's'.
>
> I just call them ice cream or mayo, though I like Miracle Whip
Gah
--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?
wrote:
> Obveeus wrote:
> > "Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
> >> This sort of regionalism is dying out in America pretty fast, the
> >> victim of widespread media. About thirty years ago I read an article
> >> by a linguist about how a pro could determine a speaker's place of
> >> origin by testing for word choice on only a couple of words. Three I
> >> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
> >> spout),
> >
> > Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
> >
> >> the thing you bring from the store (sack, bag, poke, tote), or
> >> the furniture you sit on (sofa, couch, divan, chesterfield.) I don't
> >> think that would work today.
> >
> > There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>
> I'd use 2 words on any of those above lists. Except maybe water, that'd
> be faucet.
>
> > For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
> > For mayonaisse there is name recognition for 'Best Foods' vs. 'Hellmann's'.
>
> I just call them ice cream or mayo, though I like Miracle Whip
--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 8:52:59 AM5/22/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>> Three I
>>>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>>>> spout),
>>>
>>>Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>>
>> Hork, hork.
>>
>> Where I grew up in VA the inside thing was a faucet, but the outside
>> thing the hose hooked to was a spigot. (Pronounced "spik-it.")
>
>Sounds good. The word 'tap' is for beer, not water.
Yeah, I don't know what part of the USA uses "tap" but I've heard it.
>
>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>> Three I
>>>> remember were for the thing the water comes from (faucet, tap, spigot,
>>>> spout),
>>>
>>>Now they just call it a plastic bottle.
>>
>> Hork, hork.
>>
>> Where I grew up in VA the inside thing was a faucet, but the outside
>> thing the hose hooked to was a spigot. (Pronounced "spik-it.")
>
>Sounds good. The word 'tap' is for beer, not water.
"Tap water" is in recipes and elsewhere.
>> I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
>> but I've never heard it live.
>
>Maybe they use 'bubbler' in original flavor England?
They're Boston, so it must be a north of NYC thing. I haven't spent
much time there except Navy training.
>>>There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>>
>> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
>> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>
>I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>not 'spendy'.
I've heard "pricey" everywhere I've ever lived.
Minnesota is still somewhat insular in language. Until recently it had
very little in- or out-migration. You still hear "criminey!" here as
well as "cripes!" I think both of those are also used in Wisconsin.
And there's the trailing "then" which used to drive me crazy but now I
like. As in, "Sooooo, you're not gonna mow the grass today either,
then?" Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
for the bus yet."
Uff da!!!
>>>For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
>>
>> Well, that's a brand-name thing. I think Edy's started out west coast,
>> but it's national now.
>
>As far as I know, Dreyer's is still West Coast and Edy's is still East
>Coast.
don't buy a lot of ice cream so you're probably right. One of them
started in San Francisco.
>>Most of the good regional brands have long ago
>> been bought up by congloms. More confusing, Breyers is also a major
>> ice cream brand.
>
>The difference being that Breyers is much better.
as I recall. We have a super-regional brand up here called Kemps which
does a lot of flavor tie-ins with the Twins as well as flavors tied to
bears, moose, and various MN culture. One of my favorite corporate
slogans: "Kemps--It's the Cows."
>>>Side note: on the TV show, ROSEANNE, they opened a 'loose meat sandwich
>>>shop'. Was that also a sub/gringer/whatever or did it not count as the
>>>same
>>>thing because the bun was not elongated?
>>
>> I think loose meat is an Ohio Valley/Pittsburgh thing. Maybe just Ohio
>> Valley. On the show weren't they just shredded cheap cuts of beef on a
>> round bun?
>
>I didn;'t watch that show often, but from what I remember they were
>definitely not selling loose hamburger sandwiches. It was shaved / chipped
>meat, just like you would get at a sub shop. The buns were round, I think,
>though.
extend into Iowa and are what everybody else calls Sloppy Joes. Just
hamburger with spiced tomato sauce on round buns. I too thought it was
shredded/chopped cheap roast-type cuts, but at least in Iowa it's not.
>> Of the words I listed before I think poke is still used in the OV and
>> is pretty determinative of location. They sell pigs in 'em
>> dontchaknow. <g>
>
>I've heard the term, but didn't know what a poke was, I guess. I thought
>that it was like the Renaissance festival treat where the shredded meat is
>served in an ice-cream cone.
from Fractured Fairy Tales on "The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show." (He
said, thus capturing a TV reference for the purist nags. <g>)
Steve
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 8:55:04 AM5/22/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:46:41 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Loose meat is a specific local sandwich, like a cheesesteak or Louisville
>brown. it's from Iowa. Like an unstuck hamburger or a sloppy joe without
>the sauce.
Hmm. I was told it had sauce, but your description fits the name
better. Where was "Roseanne" set? I thought more Great
Lakes/Cleveland/Pittsburgh area. Definitely not Iowa.
Steve
wrote:
>Loose meat is a specific local sandwich, like a cheesesteak or Louisville
>brown. it's from Iowa. Like an unstuck hamburger or a sloppy joe without
>the sauce.
better. Where was "Roseanne" set? I thought more Great
Lakes/Cleveland/Pittsburgh area. Definitely not Iowa.
Steve
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 8:56:21 AM5/22/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 18:51:00 -0600, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>It was kind of like a sloppy joe but with sliced beef instead of ground.
Sounds like Hollywood writers didn't know what loose meat meant
>It was kind of like a sloppy joe but with sliced beef instead of ground.
either. <g>
Steve
suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 10:39:48 AM5/22/12
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Steve Bartman wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>>> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
>>> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>> not 'spendy'.
>
> "Spendy" is definitely a Minnesota thing. Don't know if it extends.
> I've heard "pricey" everywhere I've ever lived.
Hmm, I picked it up from somewhere and I've never lived in MN though
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>>> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
>>> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>> not 'spendy'.
>
> "Spendy" is definitely a Minnesota thing. Don't know if it extends.
> I've heard "pricey" everywhere I've ever lived.
I've known a couple people from there, but I don't think it was from
them. A friend who grew up in upstate NY, I think.
> Minnesota is still somewhat insular in language. Until recently it had
> very little in- or out-migration. You still hear "criminey!" here as
> well as "cripes!" I think both of those are also used in Wisconsin.
> And there's the trailing "then" which used to drive me crazy but now I
> like. As in, "Sooooo, you're not gonna mow the grass today either,
> then?" Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
> for the bus yet."
>
>>>> For ice-cream there is a name recognition for 'Edy's' vs. 'Dreyers'.
>>> Well, that's a brand-name thing. I think Edy's started out west coast,
>>> but it's national now.
>> As far as I know, Dreyer's is still West Coast and Edy's is still East
>> Coast.
>
> Hmm. I'm pretty sure I used to buy Edy's in Hawaii in the mid-80s. I
> don't buy a lot of ice cream so you're probably right. One of them
> started in San Francisco.
name in the 70s in Oakland and Berkeley. I visited both, then a few
years later you could buy them in the local stores.
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 12:07:04 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 07:55:04 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
wrote:
Google it. It's a big deal in Iowa. Like chili on spaghetti in, where is
it, Buffalo?
wrote:
it, Buffalo?
Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 12:08:25 PM5/22/12
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"Mason Barge" <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Google it. It's a big deal in Iowa. Like chili on spaghetti in, where is
> it, Buffalo?
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 12:09:26 PM5/22/12
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On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
. . .
>
>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
Girl: Give me a coke please.
Sodajerk: What kinda' coke you want?
Girl: Root beer.
Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 12:14:05 PM5/22/12
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'girl'. The reason to ask for 'a Coke', BTW, is specifically so that the
establishment does not try to serve you a Pepsi product.
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 12:13:22 PM5/22/12
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. . .
English gets these sometimes, when a term is translated literally contrary
to the American idiom.
Like in the Northeast, you get "make" a party or a pot roast from Italian
or Yiddish, either one.
>>
>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>> not 'spendy'.
>
>I use spendy quite a bit. I'm from the NW - my parents are from the
>midwest but I never heard them say it. Forgot where I picked it up from,
>maybe from someone in the NE or midwest...
I'll bet you even money that it comes from Norwegian or Swedish. Regional
>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>> not 'spendy'.
>
>I use spendy quite a bit. I'm from the NW - my parents are from the
>midwest but I never heard them say it. Forgot where I picked it up from,
>maybe from someone in the NE or midwest...
English gets these sometimes, when a term is translated literally contrary
to the American idiom.
Like in the Northeast, you get "make" a party or a pot roast from Italian
or Yiddish, either one.
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 12:14:24 PM5/22/12
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>> For mayonaisse there is name recognition for 'Best Foods' vs. 'Hellmann's'.
>
>I just call them ice cream or mayo, though I like Miracle Whip better on
>a sandwich and call it that most of the time, even if it's a store brand
>'salad dressing'.
"I'm not sure I woulda' told that one."
>
>I just call them ice cream or mayo, though I like Miracle Whip better on
>a sandwich and call it that most of the time, even if it's a store brand
>'salad dressing'.
Tony Calguire
May 22, 2012, 12:18:20 PM5/22/12
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Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote in
news:h72nr7dfcn905dbsn...@4ax.com:
>
> Minnesota is still somewhat insular in language. Until recently it had
> very little in- or out-migration.
Steve, I think you just discovered a way to revive things over in
mn.general! :-)
> You still hear "criminey!" here as
> well as "cripes!" I think both of those are also used in Wisconsin.
I didn't realize those were uncommon. I always thought of them as
"rural".
> And there's the trailing "then" which used to drive me crazy but now I
> like. As in, "Sooooo, you're not gonna mow the grass today either,
> then?"
Agreed. I seem to recall people also complaining about Minnesotans' use
of "come with", but I've heard that on TV, and I think it's more common.
> Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
> for the bus yet."
>
Never ever heard that one. And I'm a native.
> Uff da!!!
>
It's the Swedish "oy vey"!
news:h72nr7dfcn905dbsn...@4ax.com:
>
> Minnesota is still somewhat insular in language. Until recently it had
> very little in- or out-migration.
mn.general! :-)
> You still hear "criminey!" here as
> well as "cripes!" I think both of those are also used in Wisconsin.
"rural".
> And there's the trailing "then" which used to drive me crazy but now I
> like. As in, "Sooooo, you're not gonna mow the grass today either,
> then?"
of "come with", but I've heard that on TV, and I think it's more common.
> Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
> for the bus yet."
>
> Uff da!!!
>
It's the Swedish "oy vey"!
Tony Calguire
May 22, 2012, 12:21:57 PM5/22/12
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Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote in
news:s23nr7hh2tu72fhn0...@4ax.com:
>
> Hmm. I was told it had sauce, but your description fits the name
> better. Where was "Roseanne" set? I thought more Great
> Lakes/Cleveland/Pittsburgh area. Definitely not Iowa.
>
meat sandwiches somewhere in their travels when they were a couple, and
they decided to incorporate them into the show. I think they also tried to
set up a business in real life, too. I don't recall if they came from Tom
Arnold's childhood in Iowa, or if they encountered them somewhere else.
shawn
May 22, 2012, 12:38:31 PM5/22/12
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Coke, not a Diet Coke or a Coke Zero, and certainly not a Pepsi. A
Coke.
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 12:52:51 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:13:22 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
wrote:
So where does "stand on line" come from?
Steve
wrote:
Steve
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 12:55:06 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:39:48 -0600, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>Steve Bartman wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>>>> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>>>> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
>>>> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>>> not 'spendy'.
>>
>> "Spendy" is definitely a Minnesota thing. Don't know if it extends.
>> I've heard "pricey" everywhere I've ever lived.
>
>Hmm, I picked it up from somewhere and I've never lived in MN though
>I've known a couple people from there, but I don't think it was from
>them. A friend who grew up in upstate NY, I think.
In a past life. It explains everything.
>Steve Bartman wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>>>> There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>>>> Yep. I've lived in the upper midwest for fifteen years and I still
>>>> don't say "pop." I also still say "expensive" vice "spendy."
>>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>>> not 'spendy'.
>>
>> "Spendy" is definitely a Minnesota thing. Don't know if it extends.
>> I've heard "pricey" everywhere I've ever lived.
>
>Hmm, I picked it up from somewhere and I've never lived in MN though
>I've known a couple people from there, but I don't think it was from
>them. A friend who grew up in upstate NY, I think.
>> Minnesota is still somewhat insular in language. Until recently it had
>> very little in- or out-migration. You still hear "criminey!" here as
>> well as "cripes!" I think both of those are also used in Wisconsin.
>> And there's the trailing "then" which used to drive me crazy but now I
>> like. As in, "Sooooo, you're not gonna mow the grass today either,
>> then?" Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
>> for the bus yet."
>
>Odd, I take on a 'then' sometimes.
Steve
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 1:01:03 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 16:18:20 +0000 (UTC), Tony Calguire
<calg...@tcfreenet.invalid> wrote:
>Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote in
>news:h72nr7dfcn905dbsn...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> Minnesota is still somewhat insular in language. Until recently it had
>> very little in- or out-migration.
>
>Steve, I think you just discovered a way to revive things over in
>mn.general! :-)
>
Nothing can help mn.general. Not even the Lumberjack.
<calg...@tcfreenet.invalid> wrote:
>Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote in
>news:h72nr7dfcn905dbsn...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> Minnesota is still somewhat insular in language. Until recently it had
>> very little in- or out-migration.
>
>Steve, I think you just discovered a way to revive things over in
>mn.general! :-)
>
>> You still hear "criminey!" here as
>> well as "cripes!" I think both of those are also used in Wisconsin.
>
>I didn't realize those were uncommon. I always thought of them as
>"rural".
national. Everywhere but the upper midwest they went away about the
time "neato keeno" did.
>> And there's the trailing "then" which used to drive me crazy but now I
>> like. As in, "Sooooo, you're not gonna mow the grass today either,
>> then?"
>
>Agreed. I seem to recall people also complaining about Minnesotans' use
>of "come with", but I've heard that on TV, and I think it's more common.
You gonna come with?" It's like they drop a pronoun to compensate for
adding a "then" where you don't need one.
>> Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
>> for the bus yet."
>>
>
>Never ever heard that one. And I'm a native.
>> Uff da!!!
>
>It's the Swedish "oy vey"!
da." They went into mind-lock.
Steve
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 1:02:59 PM5/22/12
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But I think I remember Tom A. on talk shows going on and on about them
starting a restaurant which was going to be a big franchise empire.
Didn't work out.
Steve
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 1:07:07 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:38:31 -0400, shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com>
wrote:
Mason is correct. It's a regional thing. Coke means soda pop of some
type. It doesn't mean a brand. It just mean fizzy. IOW, not tea. No
need to say "sweet tea" either.
It would be nigh unto impossible to get either a Pepsi or a Coke at
the same establishment. Both companies are either/or in their
contracts, or were last time I looked. The "Would a Coke be all
right?" question if one orders a Pepsi is because of secret shoppers
coming in to check that the contract is being honored properly.
Steve
wrote:
type. It doesn't mean a brand. It just mean fizzy. IOW, not tea. No
need to say "sweet tea" either.
It would be nigh unto impossible to get either a Pepsi or a Coke at
the same establishment. Both companies are either/or in their
contracts, or were last time I looked. The "Would a Coke be all
right?" question if one orders a Pepsi is because of secret shoppers
coming in to check that the contract is being honored properly.
Steve
Adam H. Kerman
May 22, 2012, 1:40:50 PM5/22/12
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Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>Hmm. I was told it had sauce, but your description fits the name
>better. Where was "Roseanne" set? I thought more Great
>Lakes/Cleveland/Pittsburgh area. Definitely not Iowa.
A northwest suburb of Chicago, Schaumburg.
>Hmm. I was told it had sauce, but your description fits the name
>better. Where was "Roseanne" set? I thought more Great
>Lakes/Cleveland/Pittsburgh area. Definitely not Iowa.
Nothing about the show suggested Schaumburg.
suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 1:42:57 PM5/22/12
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Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 1:43:05 PM5/22/12
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"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:38:31 -0400, shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Exactly. If I'm asking for a Coke then I want a Coke, not a Cherry
>>Coke, not a Diet Coke or a Coke Zero, and certainly not a Pepsi. A
>>Coke.
>
> Mason is correct. It's a regional thing. Coke means soda pop of some
> type. It doesn't mean a brand. It just mean fizzy. IOW, not tea. No
> need to say "sweet tea" either.
Metamucil.
> It would be nigh unto impossible to get either a Pepsi or a Coke at
> the same establishment. Both companies are either/or in their
> contracts, or were last time I looked.
The "Would a Coke be all
> right?" question if one orders a Pepsi is because of secret shoppers
> coming in to check that the contract is being honored properly.
trouble of the customer doing a spit take and then asking for their beverage
to be replaced with something palatable. The problem would also be solved
by restaurants putting their drinks on the menu, but that seems to be more
and more optional each year.
suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 1:46:05 PM5/22/12
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Mason Barge wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:21:12 -0600, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> Obveeus wrote:
> . . .
>>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>>> not 'spendy'.
>> I use spendy quite a bit. I'm from the NW - my parents are from the
>> midwest but I never heard them say it. Forgot where I picked it up from,
>> maybe from someone in the NE or midwest...
>
> I'll bet you even money that it comes from Norwegian or Swedish. Regional
> English gets these sometimes, when a term is translated literally contrary
> to the American idiom.
I think I got it from a friend who grew up near Buffalo - her mother was
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:21:12 -0600, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> Obveeus wrote:
> . . .
>>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>>> not 'spendy'.
>> I use spendy quite a bit. I'm from the NW - my parents are from the
>> midwest but I never heard them say it. Forgot where I picked it up from,
>> maybe from someone in the NE or midwest...
>
> I'll bet you even money that it comes from Norwegian or Swedish. Regional
> English gets these sometimes, when a term is translated literally contrary
> to the American idiom.
from England, her father was local to the area. She also lived in the
UP of MI in her 20s so she could have picked it up there.
suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 1:46:51 PM5/22/12
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suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 1:47:48 PM5/22/12
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suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 2:17:44 PM5/22/12
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which one they serve. Plus it's on the menu, sometimes with a logo, if
people ever bothered to look at the bevereage section.
tenworld
May 22, 2012, 2:45:10 PM5/22/12
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On May 21, 8:09 pm, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> from underneath. The ones that shoot out a stream of water are not bubblers.
that may be its origin (Kohler tradname?) but 'bubbler' is used in two
places: central Wisconsin, and North Shore Boston. I grew up in
madison and after years of ridicule I stopped using bubbler, but then
moved to Andover MA and was shocked my first week when a cowrker with
a heavy north Boston accent said he needed a drink from the
'bublahh'.
there was a book a few years ago that dicussed how what you call
seven or 8 things can pinpoint your location. Bubbler, pop, hoagie,
The 405 etc.
> Steve Bartman <sbart...@visi.com> wrote:
>
> >I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
> >but I've never heard it live.
>
> That's a specific type of water fountain. The water is aerated and bubbles up
>
> >I've heard that in New England they call a water fountain a "bubbler",
> >but I've never heard it live.
>
> from underneath. The ones that shoot out a stream of water are not bubblers.
that may be its origin (Kohler tradname?) but 'bubbler' is used in two
places: central Wisconsin, and North Shore Boston. I grew up in
madison and after years of ridicule I stopped using bubbler, but then
moved to Andover MA and was shocked my first week when a cowrker with
a heavy north Boston accent said he needed a drink from the
'bublahh'.
there was a book a few years ago that dicussed how what you call
seven or 8 things can pinpoint your location. Bubbler, pop, hoagie,
The 405 etc.
Michael Black
May 22, 2012, 2:56:36 PM5/22/12
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aren't talking about a brand, and Xerox machines even if they rally mean
"copy machine", then I can imagine brands of soft drinks or food being
used in a generic sense in some regions.
I thought I could think of a regional example, but I can't. On the other
hand, "Pepsi" apparently was once slang for French-Canadian, because there
was a real or imagined split in what kind of cola they drank.
Michael
Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 2:58:46 PM5/22/12
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*real* restaurant.
Adam H. Kerman
May 22, 2012, 3:40:05 PM5/22/12
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Europe, probably for outdoor art fountains.
North Western Station had one in Chicago. Almost everyone used it, as it
was strategically placed near the exit most used by suburban passengers.
I never heard any stream fountain (whatever the term) called a bubbler.
But fountains of that style? Definitely.
I suppose these fountains vanished because they lack a spit guard and are
therefore unsafe and had to be destroyed by do-gooders, but the aeration
made the water more pleasant to drink.
Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 3:53:39 PM5/22/12
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"suzeeq" <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
> Both Dreyers and Edy's were available in ice cream stores of the same name
> in the 70s in Oakland and Berkeley. I visited both, then a few years later
> you could buy them in the local stores.
It was one company (founded in 1928 by Edy and Dreyer) . Then it was two
companies . Now it is one company that markets under two brand names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyer%27s_Ice_Cream
With Nestle owning the whole thing.
Compare the websites:
http://edys.com/main/index.asp?b=105
http://dreyers.com/main/index.asp?b=104
Side note: Here is Jim Gaffigan talking about ice cream. I have used both
of these tricks to make ice cream 'better'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPL0gj043S4&feature=relmfu
anim8rFSK
May 22, 2012, 4:21:50 PM5/22/12
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In article <jpgj7c$krr$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
Well, the secret shopper part is right (I'm sure there's a Straight Dope
on this). Basically Coca Cola used to get a lot of letters of
complaint, that went something like "I got the worst Coke of my life at
Bartman's Diner in Bumfrack Ohio" so they'd send somebody to check and
order a Coke and find out that it was indeed NOT a Coke. Then they make
a deal with Bartman to have them start selling the authentic item, or to
say "There were no Cokes in Mediaeval Times, therefore there are no
Cokes at Bartman's Diner, would you like a Pepsi?" The Coke deal used
to be a sweet one way back when I was doing menus ... if you put the
Coke logo on the menu, Coca Cola would pay for have the printing costs.
--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?
wrote:
on this). Basically Coca Cola used to get a lot of letters of
complaint, that went something like "I got the worst Coke of my life at
Bartman's Diner in Bumfrack Ohio" so they'd send somebody to check and
order a Coke and find out that it was indeed NOT a Coke. Then they make
a deal with Bartman to have them start selling the authentic item, or to
say "There were no Cokes in Mediaeval Times, therefore there are no
Cokes at Bartman's Diner, would you like a Pepsi?" The Coke deal used
to be a sweet one way back when I was doing menus ... if you put the
Coke logo on the menu, Coca Cola would pay for have the printing costs.
--
So we're all agreed that Clod is as stupid as Charlie Sheen?
anim8rFSK
May 22, 2012, 4:26:33 PM5/22/12
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In article <jpgnl7$k8g$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
So what is, for instance, Wendys ... an eatery?
wrote:
Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 4:30:54 PM5/22/12
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Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 4:33:56 PM5/22/12
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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> The Coke deal used
> to be a sweet one way back when I was doing menus ... if you put the
> Coke logo on the menu, Coca Cola would pay for have the printing costs.
at restaurants to determine if 'drink list not on menu' means that they sell
Pepsi products. I can certainly see why a restaurant would be embarrassed
to openly admit that they went the cheap route on something as simple as
drinks, especicially when they are charging $2.75 or so for the drink that
costs them a dime.
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 6:09:55 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:52:51 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
wrote:
No idea, but incorrect prepositions are a good suspect for the phenomenon.
wrote:
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 6:16:37 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 07:52:59 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>
[..]
think of an example. But they use it without a negative.
. . .
>>>Most of the good regional brands have long ago
>>> been bought up by congloms. More confusing, Breyers is also a major
>>> ice cream brand.
>>
>>The difference being that Breyers is much better.
>
>It is good. Ate it when I lived in the south. Very good mint flavors
>as I recall.
Breyer's is great. They have a patented process for making ice cream,
that makes it creamier with lower fat content.
But I refuse to buy any ice cream in a 1.5 quart "half gallon" box. I
*hate* food companies that pull that kind of crap. When Breyer's,
Mayfiled etc. went to 1.75 quarts I tolerated it, but this is utter
nonsense.
Publix store brand ice cream has actual 2 quart half gallons.
I won't buy cans of tuna fish any more, either, for the same reason. Why
in the hell can't these people just be honest and raise the prices?
wrote:
>On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>
> Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
>for the bus yet."
"Any more" has some odd use in the Midwest, but I can't for the life of me
>for the bus yet."
think of an example. But they use it without a negative.
. . .
>>>Most of the good regional brands have long ago
>>> been bought up by congloms. More confusing, Breyers is also a major
>>> ice cream brand.
>>
>>The difference being that Breyers is much better.
>
>It is good. Ate it when I lived in the south. Very good mint flavors
>as I recall.
Breyer's is great. They have a patented process for making ice cream,
that makes it creamier with lower fat content.
But I refuse to buy any ice cream in a 1.5 quart "half gallon" box. I
*hate* food companies that pull that kind of crap. When Breyer's,
Mayfiled etc. went to 1.75 quarts I tolerated it, but this is utter
nonsense.
Publix store brand ice cream has actual 2 quart half gallons.
I won't buy cans of tuna fish any more, either, for the same reason. Why
in the hell can't these people just be honest and raise the prices?
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 6:18:20 PM5/22/12
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energy right now . . .
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 6:20:06 PM5/22/12
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"soda", would not be serving Pepsi at all.
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 6:24:01 PM5/22/12
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the wall. Retro places, barbecue joints -- even some fairly trendy little
spots will have the menu handwritten on a board in chalk because it
changes every day.
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 6:27:45 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:14:05 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"Mason Barge" <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
who I heard this from, grew up in Thomasville, GA in the 20's and 30's.
And when you got *that* deep into the Old Souht, the alternative cola
wasn't Pepsi, but R.C. Mandatory with a Moon Pie.
>
>"Mason Barge" <mason...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:23:44 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>> . . .
>>
>>>There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>>
>> There's an old Southern joke that goes:
>>
>> Girl: Give me a coke please.
>> Sodajerk: What kinda' coke you want?
>> Girl: Root beer.
>
>That sounds like a joke that should feature 'blonde girl' rather than simply
>'girl'. The reason to ask for 'a Coke', BTW, is specifically so that the
>establishment does not try to serve you a Pepsi product.
It's a joke now because it was common practice in the past. My mother,
>>
>>>There is still the whole 'pop' / 'soda' / 'coke' / 'Sodapop' issue.
>>
>> There's an old Southern joke that goes:
>>
>> Girl: Give me a coke please.
>> Sodajerk: What kinda' coke you want?
>> Girl: Root beer.
>
>That sounds like a joke that should feature 'blonde girl' rather than simply
>'girl'. The reason to ask for 'a Coke', BTW, is specifically so that the
>establishment does not try to serve you a Pepsi product.
who I heard this from, grew up in Thomasville, GA in the 20's and 30's.
And when you got *that* deep into the Old Souht, the alternative cola
wasn't Pepsi, but R.C. Mandatory with a Moon Pie.
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 6:31:15 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:09:55 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
Steve
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:52:51 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:13:22 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:21:12 -0600, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Obveeus wrote:
>>>. . .
>>>>>
>>>>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>>>>> not 'spendy'.
>>>>
>>>>I use spendy quite a bit. I'm from the NW - my parents are from the
>>>>midwest but I never heard them say it. Forgot where I picked it up from,
>>>>maybe from someone in the NE or midwest...
>>>
>>>I'll bet you even money that it comes from Norwegian or Swedish. Regional
>>>English gets these sometimes, when a term is translated literally contrary
>>>to the American idiom.
>>>
>>>Like in the Northeast, you get "make" a party or a pot roast from Italian
>>>or Yiddish, either one.
>>
>>So where does "stand on line" come from?
>
>No idea, but incorrect prepositions are a good suspect for the phenomenon.
A NYC problem?
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:52:51 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:13:22 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:21:12 -0600, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Obveeus wrote:
>>>. . .
>>>>>
>>>>> I don;'t know that I've ever heard anyone say 'spendy'. Maybe 'pricey', but
>>>>> not 'spendy'.
>>>>
>>>>I use spendy quite a bit. I'm from the NW - my parents are from the
>>>>midwest but I never heard them say it. Forgot where I picked it up from,
>>>>maybe from someone in the NE or midwest...
>>>
>>>I'll bet you even money that it comes from Norwegian or Swedish. Regional
>>>English gets these sometimes, when a term is translated literally contrary
>>>to the American idiom.
>>>
>>>Like in the Northeast, you get "make" a party or a pot roast from Italian
>>>or Yiddish, either one.
>>
>>So where does "stand on line" come from?
>
>No idea, but incorrect prepositions are a good suspect for the phenomenon.
Steve
Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 6:34:09 PM5/22/12
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that I was intending.
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 6:33:16 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:16:37 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 07:52:59 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>
>[..]
>> Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
>>for the bus yet."
>
>"Any more" has some odd use in the Midwest, but I can't for the life of me
>think of an example. But they use it without a negative.
>
Used occasionally as an intro word, "Anymore, it's getting so you
can't afford to drink."
>But I refuse to buy any ice cream in a 1.5 quart "half gallon" box. I
>*hate* food companies that pull that kind of crap. When Breyer's,
>Mayfiled etc. went to 1.75 quarts I tolerated it, but this is utter
>nonsense.
>
>Publix store brand ice cream has actual 2 quart half gallons.
>
>I won't buy cans of tuna fish any more, either, for the same reason. Why
>in the hell can't these people just be honest and raise the prices?
Sticker shock. Lots of research that price hikes are noted more than
package shrink.
Steve
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 07:52:59 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:14:34 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>
>[..]
>> Also, there's a lot of "yet" instead of "still." "He's waiting
>>for the bus yet."
>
>"Any more" has some odd use in the Midwest, but I can't for the life of me
>think of an example. But they use it without a negative.
>
can't afford to drink."
>But I refuse to buy any ice cream in a 1.5 quart "half gallon" box. I
>*hate* food companies that pull that kind of crap. When Breyer's,
>Mayfiled etc. went to 1.75 quarts I tolerated it, but this is utter
>nonsense.
>
>Publix store brand ice cream has actual 2 quart half gallons.
>
>I won't buy cans of tuna fish any more, either, for the same reason. Why
>in the hell can't these people just be honest and raise the prices?
package shrink.
Steve
Steve Bartman
May 22, 2012, 6:35:22 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:20:06 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>May I point out that, anywhere a person would order a "coke", meaning a
>"soda", would not be serving Pepsi at all.
Coca Cola = Atlanta
Pepsi = Westchester County, NY.
They hate each other with the fire of a thousand suns. My director at
Planters was a former Pepsi brand guy. The stories . . .
Steve
wrote:
>May I point out that, anywhere a person would order a "coke", meaning a
>"soda", would not be serving Pepsi at all.
Pepsi = Westchester County, NY.
They hate each other with the fire of a thousand suns. My director at
Planters was a former Pepsi brand guy. The stories . . .
Steve
Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 6:43:35 PM5/22/12
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"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote in message
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has ebbed enough that Mason can get back to eating good ice cream?
meanwhile, Tuna should be purchased in the vinyl pouches rather than the
cans.
Tony Calguire
May 22, 2012, 6:43:39 PM5/22/12
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Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ao3or79q17a0fanmr...@4ax.com:
> But I refuse to buy any ice cream in a 1.5 quart "half gallon" box. I
> *hate* food companies that pull that kind of crap. When Breyer's,
> Mayfiled etc. went to 1.75 quarts I tolerated it, but this is utter
> nonsense.
>
> Publix store brand ice cream has actual 2 quart half gallons.
>
> I won't buy cans of tuna fish any more, either, for the same reason.
> Why in the hell can't these people just be honest and raise the
> prices?
Funny you should mention that... I just finished putting together a lasagna
a few minutes ago. There were two fewer noodles in the box, which messed
up my layers, and all the noodles were about a half-inch shorter. They
previously fit the length of my pan perfectly.
news:ao3or79q17a0fanmr...@4ax.com:
> But I refuse to buy any ice cream in a 1.5 quart "half gallon" box. I
> *hate* food companies that pull that kind of crap. When Breyer's,
> Mayfiled etc. went to 1.75 quarts I tolerated it, but this is utter
> nonsense.
>
> Publix store brand ice cream has actual 2 quart half gallons.
>
> I won't buy cans of tuna fish any more, either, for the same reason.
> Why in the hell can't these people just be honest and raise the
> prices?
a few minutes ago. There were two fewer noodles in the box, which messed
up my layers, and all the noodles were about a half-inch shorter. They
previously fit the length of my pan perfectly.
Obveeus
May 22, 2012, 6:48:07 PM5/22/12
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than the old bar/bit of soap I was trying to merge it with. The stuff comes
in 6 packs (and 12 packs) and costs barely anything, so why would they feel
the need to shrink the bar size? It always amazes me that people will
piddle around over pennies in the grocery store, but they head over to
Starbucks for a coffee.
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 6:59:49 PM5/22/12
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It made about one and one-half sandwiches.
Ice cream is just me having a hissy fit, but I can imagine mothers buying
for a family or a party and running short.
Mason Barge
May 22, 2012, 7:01:23 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:35:22 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
wrote:
Yeah no kidding. Don't forget I live in Atlanta. There are plenty of
people who won't go to certain fast-food restaurants simply because of the
beverages.
wrote:
people who won't go to certain fast-food restaurants simply because of the
beverages.
shawn
May 22, 2012, 8:09:44 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:27:45 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
Which was great on a hot day after spending it working in the fields.
Alan Curry
May 22, 2012, 8:10:30 PM5/22/12
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In article <jpgef4$905$2...@dont-email.me>,
Tony Calguire <calg...@tcfreenet.invalid> wrote:
>Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote in
>news:s23nr7hh2tu72fhn0...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> Hmm. I was told it had sauce, but your description fits the name
>> better. Where was "Roseanne" set? I thought more Great
>> Lakes/Cleveland/Pittsburgh area. Definitely not Iowa.
>>
Lanford, Illinois; which can't be precisely placed since it doesn't exist in
real life. It gave the general impression that they weren't extremely close
to Chicago.
>
>The way I remember the story, Tom Arnold and Roseanne encountered loose
>meat sandwiches somewhere in their travels when they were a couple, and
>they decided to incorporate them into the show. I think they also tried to
>set up a business in real life, too. I don't recall if they came from Tom
>Arnold's childhood in Iowa, or if they encountered them somewhere else.
Within the show, something like that was used to explain it. There was a
period when Jackie was a truck driver. She encountered this loose meat
sandwich somewhere on the road and brought some home with her, which set off
the "let's start a restaurant" plot.
--
Alan Curry
Tony Calguire <calg...@tcfreenet.invalid> wrote:
>Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote in
>news:s23nr7hh2tu72fhn0...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> Hmm. I was told it had sauce, but your description fits the name
>> better. Where was "Roseanne" set? I thought more Great
>> Lakes/Cleveland/Pittsburgh area. Definitely not Iowa.
>>
Lanford, Illinois; which can't be precisely placed since it doesn't exist in
real life. It gave the general impression that they weren't extremely close
to Chicago.
>
>The way I remember the story, Tom Arnold and Roseanne encountered loose
>meat sandwiches somewhere in their travels when they were a couple, and
>they decided to incorporate them into the show. I think they also tried to
>set up a business in real life, too. I don't recall if they came from Tom
>Arnold's childhood in Iowa, or if they encountered them somewhere else.
Within the show, something like that was used to explain it. There was a
period when Jackie was a truck driver. She encountered this loose meat
sandwich somewhere on the road and brought some home with her, which set off
the "let's start a restaurant" plot.
--
Alan Curry
suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 8:43:31 PM5/22/12
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time you go out to eat.
suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 8:44:35 PM5/22/12
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Obveeus wrote:
> "suzeeq" <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> Both Dreyers and Edy's were available in ice cream stores of the same name
>> in the 70s in Oakland and Berkeley. I visited both, then a few years later
>> you could buy them in the local stores.
>
> It was one company (founded in 1928 by Edy and Dreyer) . Then it was two
> companies . Now it is one company that markets under two brand names.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyer%27s_Ice_Cream
> With Nestle owning the whole thing.
Don't they own most everything food related, nowadays?
> "suzeeq" <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> Both Dreyers and Edy's were available in ice cream stores of the same name
>> in the 70s in Oakland and Berkeley. I visited both, then a few years later
>> you could buy them in the local stores.
>
> It was one company (founded in 1928 by Edy and Dreyer) . Then it was two
> companies . Now it is one company that markets under two brand names.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyer%27s_Ice_Cream
> With Nestle owning the whole thing.
suzeeq
May 22, 2012, 8:47:36 PM5/22/12
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all that much.
anim8rFSK
May 22, 2012, 11:44:27 PM5/22/12
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In article <2b4or7t6djdcolsq4...@4ax.com>,
I thought of several examples of that, but he did specify 'lit up' as
well as 'up on the wall' so the 'fresh fish' selections don't count ...
well as 'up on the wall' so the 'fresh fish' selections don't count ...
anim8rFSK
May 22, 2012, 11:53:03 PM5/22/12
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anim8rFSK
May 23, 2012, 12:02:39 AM5/23/12
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Obveeus
May 23, 2012, 6:58:42 AM5/23/12
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the drink options on their menu is to falsely claim that restaurants all put
the drink options on the menu?
Obveeus
May 23, 2012, 7:03:07 AM5/23/12
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you food market.
Obveeus
May 23, 2012, 7:04:38 AM5/23/12
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soda/pop/fizzywater..
Steve Bartman
May 23, 2012, 9:35:51 AM5/23/12
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manufacturer in the world. Kraft was second. Both have vacuumed up a
lot of companies since then.
Steve
Steve Bartman
May 23, 2012, 9:42:44 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:43:35 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>How many years have to pass before the (shock) size of the smaller package
>has ebbed enough that Mason can get back to eating good ice cream?
For Mason 10,000 years would not be sufficient. <g>
>How many years have to pass before the (shock) size of the smaller package
>has ebbed enough that Mason can get back to eating good ice cream?
General Mills just announced today they're laying off 850 people,
about half locally. Reason is cost containment and the inability to
price in component cost increases. (Also that they got caught with
their pants down when the yogurt market swung to Greek-style almost
overnight in marketing terms.) They've hiked wholesale prices some to
compensate, but have met big consumer push back on retail prices and
seen volume decreases. Shoppers just shift to Malt-O-Meal or store
brands for cereals when Big G brands go too high.
I saw this week that Campbell's is hiking soup wholesales 5% across
the board and they're terrified they'll get smacked. Brand loyalty
isn't what it used to be.
>meanwhile, Tuna should be purchased in the vinyl pouches rather than the
>cans.
isn't rare. Petroleum-based plastic is more so.
Steve
anim8rFSK
May 23, 2012, 9:43:41 AM5/23/12
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In article <jpig5d$so0$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
come on, what part of "Nestle's Aseptic Quick" doesn't say 'wholesome'
and 'yummy'?
http://www.packworld.com/sites/default/files/styles/lightbox/public/image
s/issues/01.00/images/Features/nesquik.jpg
wrote:
and 'yummy'?
http://www.packworld.com/sites/default/files/styles/lightbox/public/image
s/issues/01.00/images/Features/nesquik.jpg
anim8rFSK
May 23, 2012, 9:45:45 AM5/23/12
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In article <jpig88$t4p$1...@dont-email.me>, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:
I haven't had a cola in years, but I'll splurge on the occasional root
beer. Red Lobster has IBC in bottles with super chilled glasses ...
wrote:
beer. Red Lobster has IBC in bottles with super chilled glasses ...
Steve Bartman
May 23, 2012, 9:47:51 AM5/23/12
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On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:58:42 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>So, your reply to my complaint about more and more restaurants not putting
>the drink options on their menu is to falsely claim that restaurants all put
>the drink options on the menu?
The "casual dining" chain segment (Applebees, TGIF, Perkins, et al)
>So, your reply to my complaint about more and more restaurants not putting
>the drink options on their menu is to falsely claim that restaurants all put
>the drink options on the menu?
have HQ contracts with the soft drink brand of choice and in my
experience always have the logos in their menus. They might be tiny
but they're there. Stand alone or regional chains might not, but I'd
guess there's money to be had if they do print them.
Steve
William December Starr
May 23, 2012, 9:50:38 AM5/23/12
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In article <jph539$ct4$1...@dont-email.me>,
large volume of sales and the tiny differences in manufacturing
costs add up.
-- wds
"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> said:
> A month or so ago I opened a new bar of soap to discover that it
> was shorter than the old bar/bit of soap I was trying to merge it
> with. The stuff comes in 6 packs (and 12 packs) and costs barely
> anything, so why would they feel the need to shrink the bar size?
It may cost barely anything, but multiply "barely anything" by a
> A month or so ago I opened a new bar of soap to discover that it
> was shorter than the old bar/bit of soap I was trying to merge it
> with. The stuff comes in 6 packs (and 12 packs) and costs barely
> anything, so why would they feel the need to shrink the bar size?
large volume of sales and the tiny differences in manufacturing
costs add up.
-- wds
Steve Bartman
May 23, 2012, 9:50:50 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 19:01:23 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
When I was at Planters we were in Winston-Salem, NC and there was a
steady stream of marketing folks who left to go to Coke. Kind of a
getting called up to the big leagues thing. Nobody ever went to Pepsi.
Pepsi used to own KFC, Taco Bell, etc. before they were spun off. I
don't know if they still have PEpsi beverages exclusively, but I'd bet
they do. That was a huge volume source for PepsiCo in the old days.
Steve
wrote:
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:35:22 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:20:06 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>May I point out that, anywhere a person would order a "coke", meaning a
>>>"soda", would not be serving Pepsi at all.
>>
>>Coca Cola = Atlanta
>>Pepsi = Westchester County, NY.
>>
>>They hate each other with the fire of a thousand suns. My director at
>>Planters was a former Pepsi brand guy. The stories . . .
>
>Yeah no kidding. Don't forget I live in Atlanta. There are plenty of
>people who won't go to certain fast-food restaurants simply because of the
>beverages.
I didn't forget. :)
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:35:22 -0500, Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:20:06 -0400, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>May I point out that, anywhere a person would order a "coke", meaning a
>>>"soda", would not be serving Pepsi at all.
>>
>>Coca Cola = Atlanta
>>Pepsi = Westchester County, NY.
>>
>>They hate each other with the fire of a thousand suns. My director at
>>Planters was a former Pepsi brand guy. The stories . . .
>
>Yeah no kidding. Don't forget I live in Atlanta. There are plenty of
>people who won't go to certain fast-food restaurants simply because of the
>beverages.
When I was at Planters we were in Winston-Salem, NC and there was a
steady stream of marketing folks who left to go to Coke. Kind of a
getting called up to the big leagues thing. Nobody ever went to Pepsi.
Pepsi used to own KFC, Taco Bell, etc. before they were spun off. I
don't know if they still have PEpsi beverages exclusively, but I'd bet
they do. That was a huge volume source for PepsiCo in the old days.
Steve
Remysun
May 23, 2012, 9:53:40 AM5/23/12
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On May 20, 10:42 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Do you know what a "hoagie" is?
>
> The word was recently used on a TV show.
>
> This surprised me, because I always thought it was unique to
> Philadelphia to describe a long thick sandwhich; often called a "sub"
> or "hero" in other places. Thus the sandwich chain "Subway".
>
> Is this word used in other cities to describe a type of sandwich?
I always heard sub as short for submarine sandwich, which the sandwich
resembles a submarine.
> Do you know what a "hoagie" is?
>
> The word was recently used on a TV show.
>
> This surprised me, because I always thought it was unique to
> Philadelphia to describe a long thick sandwhich; often called a "sub"
> or "hero" in other places. Thus the sandwich chain "Subway".
>
> Is this word used in other cities to describe a type of sandwich?
I always heard sub as short for submarine sandwich, which the sandwich
resembles a submarine.
Steve Bartman
May 23, 2012, 9:54:37 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:47:36 -0600, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>Of all the colas, I liked RC best. But I've never really liked any pop
>all that much.
Pronounced correctly ("Are-A-Cee") an RC from the 7-11 on a hot July
>Of all the colas, I liked RC best. But I've never really liked any pop
>all that much.
day was the best. In my region Sundrop Cola was another alternative
(or Shasta if your Mom really didn't love you.) I never cottoned to
Moon Pies, but some swore by them. I know one guy in 8th grade who
tried to convince girls they were an aphrodisiac. I think he ended up
selling vitamins out of the trunk of his car.
Steve
suzeeq
May 23, 2012, 10:31:33 AM5/23/12
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Obveeus
May 23, 2012, 10:51:14 AM5/23/12
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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
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it engages the gag reflex.
...and then there is this 'milk' product:
http://ethicalplate.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/2011-08-27_09-54-00_77.jpg?w=590&h=331
How funny is it when a product 'contains no milk' and has an allergen
warning on the back because it 'contains ingredients derived from milk'?
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