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Alan Sepinwall

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NYPD Blue, Season 4, Episode 9, "Caulksmanship"

Story by David Milch & Bill Clark
Teleplay by George Putnam
Directed by Donna Deitch

PLOT ONE: THE MORNING AFTER
Diane wakes up naked in bed next to a similarly clad Jimmy Liery, who
smugly refuses to tell his "Mouse" what happened during the night. After
getting dressed, she curses him out and storms out of his apartment.

Arriving at work, everyone remarks that Diane looks very sick, and she
declines to tell anyone the reason for her ghastly appearance, including
Fancy, who asks if she needs to talk about anything related to Liery.
Instead, Diane realizes that she's up in the catching rotation, and
grabs Greg and James to help her work the murder of a Mr. Sportelli, a
handyman afflicted with muscular dystrophy. The detectives are stymied
by the tight-lipped people in the neighborhood, but eventually get clued
in that Sportelli's frequent partner Sal Campisi may have shot him.
Campisi comes in and explains that he and Sportelli were having an
argument about how to do a particular job; it escalated to the point
where Sportelli got a gun, and when Sal tried to disarm him, it went
off, killing him.

With the case resolved and written up as self-defense, Diane decides to
get some answers from Liery. As she's changing in the locker room,
Bobby, the only person she told about what happened, tries to talk her
out of going. When he realizes her mind is made up, he gives her a
simple warning: "Do not get hurt."

Liery is just as evasive as before, even after Diane pulls a gun on him.
A well-placed shot finally gets him talking, and he says that he had an
attack of conscience after drugging her, and all he did was undress her
and put her to bed. Diane believes him and leaves, while Liery scares
away a neighbor curious about the shot by saying his toaster blew up.

PLOT TWO: A WISE POLACK
Andy and Bobby catch the strangulation murder of a middle-aged woman
named Dubrowski. Her building super suggests that her boyfriend, Richard
Manzak, liked to beat her and may have done this. Manzak acts
beliggerent towards the detectives until he finds out that his
girlfriend is dead, at which point he explains that he was at her
apartment briefly on the night of the murder before drinking at a bar
the rest of the night.

Andy believes him, and decides to follow up Manzak's tip that the
cleaning lady, Mildred Superczynski, used to steal things from the
apartment. Mildred admits she would steal knick-knacks out of
frustration over Ms. Dubrowski's bossy ways, but she didn't kill her.
Andy walks out of the interview room suspicious, but unsure why, since
Mildred is far too small to have strangled anyone.

Bobby suggests they key in on Mildred's husband Stanley, who has a
record for assault, figuring one of the two had to do it, and eventually
they'll get one of them to flip on the other. Eventually, Stan
confesses, saying that he went over to Dubrowski's apartment to return
something his wife stole, and killed her in an argument.

Bobby feels they have the case solved, but Andy starts getting tied up
in knots, since now he feels that Stanley is confessing to protect his
wife - but, on the other hand, the couple might be smart enough to have
made him confused enough to damage the case.

PLOT THREE: PROMOTIONAL CONSIDERATION
It's promotion time, and Lt. Fancy has recommended both Simone and
Sipowicz for Detective First Grade. Bobby gets selected in a walk - he's
young, a minority, and posessor of a sterling record - but Andy has
accumuluated too much baggage over the years for Capt. Bass to be
seriously considered. Capt. Bass asks Art if promoting one partner over
the other might cause friction within the squad, and gives him 24 hours
to decide if he'd like Bobby's name to be pulled from the promotions
list.

Art decides to use his wife Lillian as a sounding board. He feels he's
in a tough spot: on the one hand, he doesn't want to deny Bobby a
deserved promotion because of office politics; on the other, if Bobby
gets it and Andy doesn't, Sipowicz will think Fancy spoke out against
him. Art also feels guilty that Andy won't get what he deserves;
Lillian, obviously privy to all of Arthur's office war stories about
Sipowicz over the years, suggests that maybe Andy's getting exactly
that.

In the end, the Lieu decides he can't screw over Bobby, and tells him
about the promotion. Bobby, distracted by Diane's plight and Andy's
'evil genius" theories about the Superczynski's, doesn't really
assimilate the information.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Thud.

That's the sound of my hopes for this episode falling after I watched
it.

When last week's show ended, I was already counting the minutes for the
next episode. I thought for sure that after weeks of dribs and drabs of
the Liery storyline, it would finally move to center stage in response
to the cliffhanger.

It didn't. And while the few brief Liery-related scenes we got in the
episode were stellar, the fact that there weren't more of them really
made me disinterested in the two murder cases, which likely wouldn't
have caught my eye to begin with.

I'll get them out of the way first, since I don't have a lot to say
about either. While Andy's reactions to all the "dumb Polack" remarks
were very funny (the highlight being him asking Bobby to click his pen
open), I just didn't see the Superczynski's being particularly
contradictory of one another, either in what they said or how they said
it. Sure, Andy's a much better detective than I will ever hope to be,
but shouldn't there have been some kind of vibe given off to us viewers
so we would know they might be lying, other than Andy saying it over and
over?

The caulking gun case was even more of a throwaway, aside from a good
speech by Reni Santoni as Campisi at the very end. All the set-up about
what a closely-knit neighborhood it was went absolutely nowhere. And the
sound truck scene was a real missed opportunity; they could have gotten
the exact same information by having "Runner" show up at the precinct.
Now, if they had really let Greg drone on and on for a few minutes until
one neighbor had no choice but to talk to them, it might have worked
better.

A much larger problem with that subplot is the fact that Diane was
completely normal and on top of her game during it, despite the
mind-boggling experience she had the night and morning before. If the
aim was to show that Diane was able to turn off her feelings while doing
the job, it wasn't made clear enough; and if it was a situation where
the two subplots were written independently of each other, then it was
just sloppy writing to put them together without tweaking one of them.

Even the scenes about Diane's undercover had some logistical problems,
because the nature of Diane's assignment really hasn't been fleshed out
well. I seriously doubt that the department would be letting Diane fly
completely solo on this. That she's not wearing a wire I can understand.
A lack of backup (a guy parked across the street from Liery's bar, for
instance) is harder to swallow, but I can deal with that. But the fact
that she's not required to brief *anyone* on what happened after each
and every encounter with Liery strains even my generous suspension of
disbelief. Just letting her off with an "I'm okay" to Fancy doesn't cut
it.

Credibility problems aside, the acting by Kim Delaney, Christopher
Meloni, and Jimmy Smits was fantastic tonight. The opening scene, as
Diane groggily tries to wash her mouth out in Liery's bathroom, was
every bit as gruesome as it needed to be. Smits perfectly captured
Bobby's horror upon hearing what happened, and Meloni still scares the
pants off of me in every scene; the confidence he showed under gunpoint
was bone-chilling. And I really have to wonder whether Liery was telling
the truth, or whether he just told Diane what she wanted to hear.

I just wish that the story had been up to the performers' standards.
And, considering that the next new episode is supposed to wrap up this
arc, they're going to have a lot of material to squeeze into one hour,
especially if that episode is loaded down with subplots, too.

The promotion storyline worked much better overall than the other
subplots, largely because it was nice for once to see Fancy doing his
job (in most other Fancy showcases, he's stepping out of his boundaries
as administrator), and because it gave us an interesting glimpse into
the private man's thought processes. That he could honestly feel guilty
about Andy being passed over after all the garbage the two have been
through together suggests a strength of character and generousness of
spirit that I can only hope to aspire to (I'd be more in line with
Lillian Fancy on this one).

"Blue" had been building up to something strong the past few weeks.
Let's hope tonight's episode was only a little stumbling block, and that
the climax will be worth the wait.

Quick Hits:

-Guest Star Notes: Someone asked why Reni Santoni (who
played Sal Campisi) and Julia Ariola (Mildred Superczynski)
looked familiar. While you may know Santoni from a number
of other venues (he was the bladder-impaired chef Poppy on
"Seinfeld," and Dirty Harry's partner in the first movie, among
other things), both of them have appeared on "Blue" before
playing different characters. Santoni appeared in two episodes
in the middle of the second season as Det. Solomon, the glory-
hound in charge of the Webster task force - which is ironic
since Webster's real name was George Putnam, a tribute to the
man who wrote this episode. Ariola has actually played *two*
previous roles on the show: Marion Forbes, an abused wife
who kept frustrating The Other Guy in the first season's
"Abandando Abandoned," and Elizabeth Silver, Diane's
mother's attorney in last year's "A Tushful of Dollars." While
"Blue" has recycled guest stars lots of times before, the
producers usually wait a season before bringing anyone back
(it seemed like every other third season episode featured a
guest star from the first season in a new role).

-Josh Astrachan really has the worst job in the world, doesn't he?
In previous appearance, he was at least pretending to do other
things whenever Bobby or Andy asked him to look after/clean
up/drive around one of their witnesses; this week, he was
literally standing outside the interview room door waiting to be
summoned.

-On the subject of promotions, do NYPD cops really get them on
the basis of one particular case? And, if so, considering that Andy
has been closing about a case a week for over three years, couldn't
Fancy have chosen a better one than the death of Kwasi Oloshula?

-Good to see Capt. Bass again after a year-long absence, during
which time Inspector Aiello has filled the series' "higher
authority" role. I'm just glad that Larry Joshua can count on a
paycheck from something other than those car commercials. On other
recurring guest fronts, Jill Kirkendall, Abby Sullivan, and Gina
Colon were all absent this week. Is it time to start beating the
misognyny drum again? :)

-Lines of the Week:

"I'm not a big expert with ethnic sore points."
-Andy

"Ever wonder what he does at nights for fun?"
-Andy, reflecting on ADA Cohen's latest visit

Well, it's holiday rerun time, and two episodes from last season will
air before the next new episode on January 7. Next week is "Dirty
Laundry" (Simone partners up with a dirty cop; Upstairs John gives Andy
a haircut), followed a week later by "Head Case" (Andy and Bobby
investigate a decapitating; James helps out porn star Vanessa Del Rio).

I'm not exactly sure when/how I'll get the review for the next new
episode done, since my newspaper is sending me out to Los Angeles for
the January television critics press tour. You folks may have to operate
on your own for a couple of weeks. Can you handle that? :)

See ya in the funny papers...

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In article <599l66$7...@force.stwing.upenn.edu>,

Alan Sepinwall <sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu> wrote:
>NYPD Blue, Season 4, Episode 9, "Caulksmanship"

>PLOT ONE: THE MORNING AFTER
[...]

>Arriving at work, everyone remarks that Diane looks very sick, and she
>declines to tell anyone the reason for her ghastly appearance, including
>Fancy, who asks if she needs to talk about anything related to Liery.

Funny, but what I thought he was talking about was her drinking, as his
question ("Do you need to talk about something?" -- *something*, not
"Liery") immediately followed her response to what was the fourth comment
in fifteen minutes about how unwell she looked ("I guess I look so bad
someone should put a bullet in my ear"). Of course the question was
open-ended enough to have covered any territory, but I thought his
persistent follow-up ("Do you need to talk to ... anyone?") was
suggestive of concern that she'd been on a bender the night before, and
that maybe she needed to take an hour or so off to attend an AA meeting.

--Barbara

Fred B. Young Jr.

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Dec 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/18/96
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Alan Sepinwall wrote:

(usual great review snipped)

> I'm not exactly sure when/how I'll get the review for the next new
> episode done, since my newspaper is sending me out to Los Angeles for
> the January television critics press tour. You folks may have to operate
> on your own for a couple of weeks. Can you handle that? :)

No! We can't! We'll just have to tell ABC to postpone any new
"Blue" episodes until you get back. :)

Maybe your friend who does the "ER" summary/reviews could
step in?...


"If it makes you happy...then why the hell are you so sad?"
-Sheryl Crow

Fred B. Young Jr.
USC-University of Southern California
yo...@bcf.usc.edu

James Pritchett

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Dec 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/19/96
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Alan Sepinwall (sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu) wrote:
: NYPD Blue, Season 4, Episode 9, "Caulksmanship"

: PLOT THREE: PROMOTIONAL CONSIDERATION

: It's promotion time, and Lt. Fancy has recommended both Simone and
: Sipowicz for Detective First Grade. Bobby gets selected in a walk - he's
: young, a minority, and posessor of a sterling record -

:^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

Ageism/Racism check...the last comment should suffice (unless you are
projecting the point of view of the Captain/Police).
:
: When last week's show ended, I was already counting the minutes for the


: next episode. I thought for sure that after weeks of dribs and drabs of
: the Liery storyline, it would finally move to center stage in response
: to the cliffhanger.
:
: It didn't.

That would have made an ok show terrible!

:
: I'll get them out of the way first, since I don't have a lot to say


: about either. While Andy's reactions to all the "dumb Polack" remarks
: were very funny (the highlight being him asking Bobby to click his pen
: open), I just didn't see the Superczynski's being particularly
: contradictory of one another, either in what they said or how they said
: it. Sure, Andy's a much better detective than I will ever hope to be,
: but shouldn't there have been some kind of vibe given off to us viewers
: so we would know they might be lying, other than Andy saying it over and
: over?

It was weird, but not uninteresting. One thing that I wish more cop shows
would do is to give us varying Points of View. In Blue, we always see the
crime as the detectives do. I'd love to see the crime commited sometimes,
and see the detectives errors and successes as they work to solve the case
with us, the viewers, already knowing the answers. Just somtimes...

:
: The caulking gun case was even more of a throwaway, aside from a good


: speech by Reni Santoni as Campisi at the very end. All the set-up about
: what a closely-knit neighborhood it was went absolutely nowhere. And the
: sound truck scene was a real missed opportunity; they could have gotten
: the exact same information by having "Runner" show up at the precinct.
: Now, if they had really let Greg drone on and on for a few minutes until
: one neighbor had no choice but to talk to them, it might have worked
: better.

I don't know what could have saved this one. In a tight knit
neighborhood, why would they have been silent in this case that was
clearly self defense, to save face for the victim and family? I thought
it might have been a passion crime that the neighbors felt was justified..

:
: Even the scenes about Diane's undercover had some logistical problems,


: because the nature of Diane's assignment really hasn't been fleshed out
: well. I seriously doubt that the department would be letting Diane fly
: completely solo on this. That she's not wearing a wire I can understand.
: A lack of backup (a guy parked across the street from Liery's bar, for
: instance) is harder to swallow, but I can deal with that. But the fact
: that she's not required to brief *anyone* on what happened after each
: and every encounter with Liery strains even my generous suspension of
: disbelief. Just letting her off with an "I'm okay" to Fancy doesn't cut
: it.

Others have posted noting these problems, and it makes this whole subplot
reek. Unless Liery knows about Diane, this is going nowhere.

:
: Credibility problems aside, the acting by Kim Delaney, Christopher


: Meloni, and Jimmy Smits was fantastic tonight. The opening scene, as
: Diane groggily tries to wash her mouth out in Liery's bathroom, was
: every bit as gruesome as it needed to be. Smits perfectly captured
: Bobby's horror upon hearing what happened, and Meloni still scares the
: pants off of me in every scene; the confidence he showed under gunpoint
: was bone-chilling. And I really have to wonder whether Liery was telling
: the truth, or whether he just told Diane what she wanted to hear.

The sad part is, I don't care. Delaney is not believable here at all.
This is dragging the show down, big time. Kirkendall for President! Where
was she this week!?

: I just wish that the story had been up to the


performers' standards.
: And, considering that the next new episode is supposed to wrap up this
: arc, they're going to have a lot of material to squeeze into one hour,
: especially if that episode is loaded down with subplots, too.

Liery shoots Diane. the end (of that arc).

:
: The promotion storyline worked much better overall than the other


: subplots, largely because it was nice for once to see Fancy doing his
: job (in most other Fancy showcases, he's stepping out of his boundaries
: as administrator), and because it gave us an interesting glimpse into
: the private man's thought processes. That he could honestly feel guilty
: about Andy being passed over after all the garbage the two have been
: through together suggests a strength of character and generousness of
: spirit that I can only hope to aspire to (I'd be more in line with
: Lillian Fancy on this one).

I can't wait to see (hear) Andy's rage. Will he blame Fancy? Will Fancy
proclaim he wanted Andy, but the powers that be didn't? Will Andy believe
him? Will Fancy stonewall him and just say he didn't get it? This could
be the next big one for Blue!!

:
:
: "Ever wonder what he does at nights for fun?"

: -Andy, reflecting on ADA Cohen's latest visit

Man, this guy really lights up the screen, doesn't he? Just a few
appearances and we know when Cohen shows, something special will happen.
He must be explored a bit more in the future.

The beauty (perhaps, to quote Mr. T. Monk, ugly beauty) of this show was
the dialogue. Everyword seemed so real (save the Mouse junk), and was
punctuated by sly, irreverant humor, especially from Andy (quote above)
and Cohen. I loved this episode for that! But alas, the stories were not
that strong, so we suffered a letdown. Sticky boards for the Mouse,
anyone!? More to come though...(still) love ya Blue!
:
: I'm not exactly sure when/how I'll get the review for the next new


: episode done, since my newspaper is sending me out to Los Angeles for
: the January television critics press tour. You folks may have to operate
: on your own for a couple of weeks. Can you handle that? :)

NO ALAN, we can't? I can't speak for everyone, but I check often to get
your reviews, and Wednesday seems a bit longer waiting for them! There
are computers in LA, you know...;-}

Have a great trip.

Happy Holidays, all Bluephiles!!

--

/ l l l \


Jp
pja...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu


Wayne McDaniel

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sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) wrote:

>Liery is just as evasive as before, even after Diane pulls a gun on him.
>A well-placed shot finally gets him talking, and he says that he had an
>attack of conscience after drugging her, and all he did was undress her
>and put her to bed. Diane believes him and leaves, while Liery scares
>away a neighbor curious about the shot by saying his toaster blew up.

*Did* Diane believe him? I certainly didn't - the mere fact that he
denied it should count for almost nothing. And even if the denial
seemed utterly convincing (it didn't to me), there sill should be a
doubt in Diane's mind considering who she's dealing with.

>It's promotion time, and Lt. Fancy has recommended both Simone and
>Sipowicz for Detective First Grade. Bobby gets selected in a walk - he's

>young, a minority, and posessor of a sterling record...

French-Portugese is a minority?

> I just didn't see the Superczynski's being particularly
>contradictory of one another, either in what they said or how they said
>it. Sure, Andy's a much better detective than I will ever hope to be,
>but shouldn't there have been some kind of vibe given off to us viewers
>so we would know they might be lying, other than Andy saying it over and
>over?

Judging from the other posts, I guess I'm in the minority here, but I
enjoyed this thread. We (this NG) are always complaining about Bobby &
Andy solving too many cases in one ep by formula - well, this one
broke the formula. And my reaction to the unfolding testimony was the
same as Andy's- I became steadily more confused about who the guilty
party was.



>Even the scenes about Diane's undercover had some logistical problems,
>because the nature of Diane's assignment really hasn't been fleshed out
>well. I seriously doubt that the department would be letting Diane fly
>completely solo on this. That she's not wearing a wire I can understand.
>A lack of backup (a guy parked across the street from Liery's bar, for
>instance) is harder to swallow, but I can deal with that. But the fact
>that she's not required to brief *anyone* on what happened after each
>and every encounter with Liery strains even my generous suspension of
>disbelief. Just letting her off with an "I'm okay" to Fancy doesn't cut
>it.

Gotta agree with you there. Although this arc has a lot of dramatic
impact, I have had a hard time enjoying it because of the whole thing
seems so improbable.

>I'm not exactly sure when/how I'll get the review for the next new
>episode done, since my newspaper is sending me out to Los Angeles for
>the January television critics press tour. You folks may have to operate
>on your own for a couple of weeks. Can you handle that? :)

Won't be the same without you, Alan. Get back soon.

Wayne McD


Matt Ackeret

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Dec 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/19/96
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In article <599l66$7...@force.stwing.upenn.edu>,
Alan Sepinwall <sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Credibility problems aside, the acting by Kim Delaney, Christopher
>Meloni, and Jimmy Smits was fantastic tonight. The opening scene, as
>Diane groggily tries to wash her mouth out in Liery's bathroom, was
>every bit as gruesome as it needed to be. Smits perfectly captured

Why did she wash out her mouth? Why didn't she go and have a "rape kit"
(gee, you learn things on er and police shows!) done? Then she could've
busted him for rape (if it came out positive)... or at least gotten him for
kidnapping or something like that..

> mother's attorney in last year's "A Tushful of Dollars." While
> "Blue" has recycled guest stars lots of times before, the
> producers usually wait a season before bringing anyone back
> (it seemed like every other third season episode featured a
> guest star from the first season in a new role).

I hadn't noticed any of this, but jeez, this is sounding to sound like
the original Trek!

> -Lines of the Week:
> "I'm not a big expert with ethnic sore points."
> -Andy

I laughed out loud at this one.
--
mat...@apple.com

Edward Chilton

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PLOT TWO: A WISE POLACK
Andy and Bobby catch the strangulation murder of a middle-aged woman
named Dubrowski.

At the crime scene we see a medium shot of the DOA's neck. Andy
opines strangluation, these look like "ligature marks" and they
do. That means the use of a some device for a ligatutre: rope, belt,
bathrobe cord, drapery sash, shoe laces etc etc. A seasoned homicide
detective should know the difference in appearance of a ligature
strangulation vs. strangulation by big hands, i.e. in the bruising
pattern on the neck. If not, the method of strangulation would quickly
be determined by the coroner. Have we even SEEN a coroner on NYPD Blue?
Next thing a careful look at the victim's hands and fingers would be
in order.

Strangulation by ligature is less a matter of strength than it is
of position and the initial reaction of the victim, most of whom
instinctively grab for their own throat to try to loosen the choking
device versus grappling with their attacker. The cleaning woman would
be perfectly capable of a ligature strangulation, and hand size should
have nothing to do with it.

: Eventually, Stan confesses, saying that he went over to Dubrowski's


: apartment to return something his wife stole, and killed her in
: an argument.

Simone asks How did you kill her? This is the correct question because
the only information the detectives have given Stanley so far was that
Ms. Dubrowsky was murdered Saturday. He has the opportunity to volunteer
that he STRANGLED her, preferably indicating what kind of ligature he
used. But Stan looks at Andy and says... "Its like you say..." and Andy
rapidly offers "You strangled that woman....." That was stupid on the
part of Sipowicz.



PLOT ONE: THE MORNING AFTER

The activity which precedes a morning after commonly leaves lots of
clues for a even a lousy detective, on bedding materials and persons.
I cant buy that Diane, a very experienced woman, would need to be
told by a man whether he had used her body for intercourse. This scene
is not realistic for a "adult" show... but then nothing has been in the
least realistic with the "Diane going back to undercover PART TIME" plot
from the very beginning.


Lynn Riley

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Dec 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/20/96
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Alan Sepinwall wrote:
>
> NYPD Blue, Season 4, Episode 9, "Caulksmanship"
>
<summary snipped>

> A much larger problem with that subplot is the fact that Diane was
> completely normal and on top of her game during it, despite the
> mind-boggling experience she had the night and morning before. If the
> aim was to show that Diane was able to turn off her feelings while doing
> the job, it wasn't made clear enough; and if it was a situation where
> the two subplots were written independently of each other, then it was
> just sloppy writing to put them together without tweaking one of them.
>
> Even the scenes about Diane's undercover had some logistical problems,
> because the nature of Diane's assignment really hasn't been fleshed out
> well. I seriously doubt that the department would be letting Diane fly
> completely solo on this. That she's not wearing a wire I can understand.
> A lack of backup (a guy parked across the street from Liery's bar, for
> instance) is harder to swallow, but I can deal with that. But the fact
> that she's not required to brief *anyone* on what happened after each
> and every encounter with Liery strains even my generous suspension of
> disbelief. Just letting her off with an "I'm okay" to Fancy doesn't cut
> it.

A couple of comments about the aftermath of Diane being drugged. I would
have thought that she would communicate this to her undercover supervisor
(can't remember her name, short-haired blond woman). But it seems like
she's trying to make sure that she doesn't fail in this assignment. This
is the first big thing she's done one her own since get on the wagon, and
she has a need to prove herself. She's doing well by avoiding drinking
with Liery, but she's flying with a net.

As a woman, I think that she would know if Liery had had sex with her
while she was unconscious, even if he washed her up afterwards. If she
had doubts, she could have treated it like a rape (which it was) and have
an examination for evidence.

JMHO.

Lynn

Elizabeth Darling

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Dec 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/20/96
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> As a woman, I think that she would know if Liery had had sex with her
> while she was unconscious, even if he washed her up afterwards. If she
> had doubts, she could have treated it like a rape (which it was) and have
> an examination for evidence.

what if Liery used a condom? there wouldn't be as much evidence. I'm
still surprised that she did not go for a rape kit. I thought that
the Sharon Lawrence character might pop up to be a support, since she
was raped in the past.

Barbara Ruth

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In article <32BAB275...@dg.com>, Elizabeth Darling
<betty_...@dg.com> wrote:

> > As a woman, I think that she would know if Liery had had sex with her
> > while she was unconscious, even if he washed her up afterwards. If she
>

> what if Liery used a condom? there wouldn't be as much evidence. I'm
> still surprised that she did not go for a rape kit. I thought that
> the Sharon Lawrence character might pop up to be a support, since she
> was raped in the past.

Um, what about general soreness? Assuming that the issue was actual
intercourse and he didn't just masturbate on her body, I also find it hard
to believe that there would be no physical sensation - especially given
that she wasn't in a state to be aroused/cooperative and one would assume
a greater amount of abrasion.

Don Weinman

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Dec 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM12/20/96
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Ceon Ramon wrote:
> Funny, but what I thought he was talking about was her drinking, as his
> question ("Do you need to talk about something?" -- *something*, not
> "Liery") immediately followed her response to what was the fourth comment
> in fifteen minutes about how unwell she looked ("I guess I look so bad
> someone should put a bullet in my ear"). Of course the question was
> open-ended enough to have covered any territory, but I thought his
> persistent follow-up ("Do you need to talk to ... anyone?") was
> suggestive of concern that she'd been on a bender the night before, and
> that maybe she needed to take an hour or so off to attend an AA meeting.
>
> --Barbara

I got exactly the same impression.

DPW

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sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes:

>Santoni appeared in two episodes
>in the middle of the second season as Det. Solomon, the glory-
>hound in charge of the Webster task force - which is ironic
>since Webster's real name was George Putnam, a tribute to the
>man who wrote this episode.


George has written a couple of episodes over the years -- plus which, he's
the show's script coordinator.

Genia


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