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BTR1701
Jan 28, 2022, 3:10:00 PM1/28/22
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This "definitely a female person" is revealing "her" very female penis to
actual human females, and the school administration is fine with it because
"trans women are women" or some such Emperor's New Dick bullshit.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html
Sharing a locker room with transgender swimmer Lia Thomas has become a point
of contention for some of her University of Pennsylvania teammates, who feel
uncomfortable changing in the private space with someone undergoing gender
transition, the DailyMail.com can reveal.
'It's definitely awkward because Lia still has male body parts and is still
attracted to women,' one swimmer on the team told DailyMail.com in an
exclusive interview.
Lia has told her teammates that she dates women.
While Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes, there's a decent amount of
nudity, the swimmer said. She and others have had a glimpse at her private
parts. She stated that team members have raised their concern with the coach,
trying to get Thomas ousted from the female locker room, but got nowhere.
'Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn
swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by
not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do about it,
that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own
locker room. It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem to care how it
makes anyone else feel. The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being
uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for the feelings of one
person.'
She said UPenn's handling of the locker room issue is emblematic of the
school's overall approach to the Lia Thomas controversy, with school bending
over backwards to make Thomas feel welcome without seeming to care how it
affects her teammates.
'The school was so focused on making sure Lia was okay, and doing everything
they possibly could do for her, that they didn't even think about the rest of
us. It just seems like the women who built this program and the people who
were here before Lia don't matter. And it's frustrating because Lia doesn't
really seem to be bothered by all the attention, not at all. Actually she
seems like she enjoys it. It's affected all of us way more than it's affected
her.'
The school released a terse statement last month that it was offering mental
health services to student-athletes.
Thomas, 22, plans to break her longtime silence and exclusively share her
story with Sports Illustrated, it was announced Wednesday.
The NCAA, which set rules allowing transgender athletes to compete after
completing a year of hormone therapy, recently washed its hands of the row,
announcing that transgender participation will now be determined by each
sport's national governing body. In Thomas' case, this would fall under USA
Swimming, which is considering a new policy.
'USA Swimming firmly believes in inclusivity and the opportunity for all
athletes to experience the sport of swimming in a manner consistent with their
gender identity and expression,' USA Swimming stated last week. 'We also
strongly believe in competitive equity, and, like many, are doing our best to
learn and educate ourselves on the appropriate balance in this space.'
The swimmer who spoke with DailyMail.com welcomed USA Swimming's involvement.
'I'm actually happy that the NCAA passed the buck because USA Swimming is more
conservative and they have stakes in the game,' she said. 'These are people
who swam their whole lives, who have kids and daughters who swim, and they see
what this is doing to the swim community.'
She said she hopes any changes come before the NCAA championship in March,
where Thomas has a chance to break all-time NCAA records set by Olympic gold
medalists Missy Franklin and Katie Ledecky.
'It's definitely important that we don't set this precedent,' she said. 'I
think it's important that women and also little girls aren't looking up and
saying, well, I don't actually have a chance to win so why bother.' She said
the 'equitable thing' would be to create an 'open category' allowing
transgender swimmers to compete on the men's team.
'That would allow Lia to still compete without having to take on that title of
'men's competition,' while still allowing females the space they need to have
fair competition,' she said.
Thomas, who was on the UPenn men's team during her first three years, has been
blowing women's swimming records out of the water. Her domination has prompted
some of her teammates to voice their concerns, but without being named. The
swimmer who spoke with DailyMail.com said only two or three members actually
support the status quo. Still, most others are scared to speak out, with the
school prohibiting students from talking to the media.
'There are a lot of cowards who don't want to cause any kind of conflict or
worry that they might get looked at the wrong way,' she said. As for herself,
she said, 'If this gets a little bit bigger, I might go on the record, but I'm
definitely a little afraid. What I'm afraid of is that potential employers
will Google my name and see commentary about things I said and think, oh, this
person's transphobic.'
She and teammates also discussed the possibility of protesting at a swim meet,
but ultimately decided that was too risky.
'We've all tried to think of anything we could do, but I just don't know what
we could do that wouldn't basically have us not be swimming,' she said. 'We
already lost a year due to COVID and people don't want to put their own swim
careers on hold.'
Thomas turned heads in December when she put in an astounding performance at
the Zippy Invitational Event in Akron, Ohio, finishing the 1,650-yard
freestyle 38 seconds ahead of her teammate Anna Sofia Kalandaze. Then at the
following meet January 8, Thomas was accused of purposefully holding back when
she narrowly won two races and lost during a 100-yard freestyle race to Yale
transgender swimmer Iszac Henig.
A UPenn swimmer, in an interview with Outkick.com, accused her teammate of
plotting to lose to the Yale swimmer in a relay heat to 'prove that a woman
can beat her.'
'Looking at (Lia's) time, I don't think she was trying,' she told Outkick. 'I
know they're friends and I know they were talking before the meet. I think she
(Thomas) let her win to prove the point that, ''Oh see, a female-to-male beat
me.''
actual human females, and the school administration is fine with it because
"trans women are women" or some such Emperor's New Dick bullshit.
------------------------------
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html
Sharing a locker room with transgender swimmer Lia Thomas has become a point
of contention for some of her University of Pennsylvania teammates, who feel
uncomfortable changing in the private space with someone undergoing gender
transition, the DailyMail.com can reveal.
'It's definitely awkward because Lia still has male body parts and is still
attracted to women,' one swimmer on the team told DailyMail.com in an
exclusive interview.
Lia has told her teammates that she dates women.
While Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes, there's a decent amount of
nudity, the swimmer said. She and others have had a glimpse at her private
parts. She stated that team members have raised their concern with the coach,
trying to get Thomas ousted from the female locker room, but got nowhere.
'Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn
swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by
not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do about it,
that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own
locker room. It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem to care how it
makes anyone else feel. The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being
uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for the feelings of one
person.'
She said UPenn's handling of the locker room issue is emblematic of the
school's overall approach to the Lia Thomas controversy, with school bending
over backwards to make Thomas feel welcome without seeming to care how it
affects her teammates.
'The school was so focused on making sure Lia was okay, and doing everything
they possibly could do for her, that they didn't even think about the rest of
us. It just seems like the women who built this program and the people who
were here before Lia don't matter. And it's frustrating because Lia doesn't
really seem to be bothered by all the attention, not at all. Actually she
seems like she enjoys it. It's affected all of us way more than it's affected
her.'
The school released a terse statement last month that it was offering mental
health services to student-athletes.
Thomas, 22, plans to break her longtime silence and exclusively share her
story with Sports Illustrated, it was announced Wednesday.
The NCAA, which set rules allowing transgender athletes to compete after
completing a year of hormone therapy, recently washed its hands of the row,
announcing that transgender participation will now be determined by each
sport's national governing body. In Thomas' case, this would fall under USA
Swimming, which is considering a new policy.
'USA Swimming firmly believes in inclusivity and the opportunity for all
athletes to experience the sport of swimming in a manner consistent with their
gender identity and expression,' USA Swimming stated last week. 'We also
strongly believe in competitive equity, and, like many, are doing our best to
learn and educate ourselves on the appropriate balance in this space.'
The swimmer who spoke with DailyMail.com welcomed USA Swimming's involvement.
'I'm actually happy that the NCAA passed the buck because USA Swimming is more
conservative and they have stakes in the game,' she said. 'These are people
who swam their whole lives, who have kids and daughters who swim, and they see
what this is doing to the swim community.'
She said she hopes any changes come before the NCAA championship in March,
where Thomas has a chance to break all-time NCAA records set by Olympic gold
medalists Missy Franklin and Katie Ledecky.
'It's definitely important that we don't set this precedent,' she said. 'I
think it's important that women and also little girls aren't looking up and
saying, well, I don't actually have a chance to win so why bother.' She said
the 'equitable thing' would be to create an 'open category' allowing
transgender swimmers to compete on the men's team.
'That would allow Lia to still compete without having to take on that title of
'men's competition,' while still allowing females the space they need to have
fair competition,' she said.
Thomas, who was on the UPenn men's team during her first three years, has been
blowing women's swimming records out of the water. Her domination has prompted
some of her teammates to voice their concerns, but without being named. The
swimmer who spoke with DailyMail.com said only two or three members actually
support the status quo. Still, most others are scared to speak out, with the
school prohibiting students from talking to the media.
'There are a lot of cowards who don't want to cause any kind of conflict or
worry that they might get looked at the wrong way,' she said. As for herself,
she said, 'If this gets a little bit bigger, I might go on the record, but I'm
definitely a little afraid. What I'm afraid of is that potential employers
will Google my name and see commentary about things I said and think, oh, this
person's transphobic.'
She and teammates also discussed the possibility of protesting at a swim meet,
but ultimately decided that was too risky.
'We've all tried to think of anything we could do, but I just don't know what
we could do that wouldn't basically have us not be swimming,' she said. 'We
already lost a year due to COVID and people don't want to put their own swim
careers on hold.'
Thomas turned heads in December when she put in an astounding performance at
the Zippy Invitational Event in Akron, Ohio, finishing the 1,650-yard
freestyle 38 seconds ahead of her teammate Anna Sofia Kalandaze. Then at the
following meet January 8, Thomas was accused of purposefully holding back when
she narrowly won two races and lost during a 100-yard freestyle race to Yale
transgender swimmer Iszac Henig.
A UPenn swimmer, in an interview with Outkick.com, accused her teammate of
plotting to lose to the Yale swimmer in a relay heat to 'prove that a woman
can beat her.'
'Looking at (Lia's) time, I don't think she was trying,' she told Outkick. 'I
know they're friends and I know they were talking before the meet. I think she
(Thomas) let her win to prove the point that, ''Oh see, a female-to-male beat
me.''
moviePig
Jan 28, 2022, 3:40:00 PM1/28/22
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asses off at everyone involved in shit like this...
Ed Stasiak
Jan 28, 2022, 6:49:59 PM1/28/22
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> BTR1701
>
> ’Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn
https://ibb.co/DKXYQ3z
> ’It's definitely important that we don't set this precedent,' she said. 'I
to compete on the woman’s team?
> Thomas, who was on the UPenn men's team during her first three years, has been
> blowing women's swimming records out of the water. Her domination has prompted
> some of her teammates to voice their concerns, but without being named. The
> swimmer who spoke with DailyMail.com said only two or three members actually
> support the status quo. Still, most others are scared to speak out, with the
> school prohibiting students from talking to the media.
So not only do the women have to share a locker room with the male, (who
openly admits being attracted to and dates women) they are literally BANNED
from speaking about this insanity?
How the fuck is this legal at a school that receives taxpayer money?
>
> ’Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn
> swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by
> not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do about it,
> that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own
> locker room. It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem to care how it
> makes anyone else feel. The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being
> uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for the feelings of one
> person.'
https://i.postimg.cc/Pf9MyNKD/1616034620781.png
> not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do about it,
> that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own
> locker room. It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem to care how it
> makes anyone else feel. The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being
> uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for the feelings of one
> person.'
https://ibb.co/DKXYQ3z
> ’It's definitely important that we don't set this precedent,' she said. 'I
> think it's important that women and also little girls aren't looking up and
> saying, well, I don't actually have a chance to win so why bother.' She said
> the 'equitable thing' would be to create an 'open category' allowing
> transgender swimmers to compete on the men's team.
>
> ’That would allow Lia to still compete without having to take on that title of
> ’men's competition,' while still allowing females the space they need to have
> fair competition,' she said.
What a second, what about female-to-male trannies? Shouldn’t they have
> saying, well, I don't actually have a chance to win so why bother.' She said
> the 'equitable thing' would be to create an 'open category' allowing
> transgender swimmers to compete on the men's team.
>
> ’That would allow Lia to still compete without having to take on that title of
> ’men's competition,' while still allowing females the space they need to have
> fair competition,' she said.
to compete on the woman’s team?
> Thomas, who was on the UPenn men's team during her first three years, has been
> blowing women's swimming records out of the water. Her domination has prompted
> some of her teammates to voice their concerns, but without being named. The
> swimmer who spoke with DailyMail.com said only two or three members actually
> support the status quo. Still, most others are scared to speak out, with the
> school prohibiting students from talking to the media.
openly admits being attracted to and dates women) they are literally BANNED
from speaking about this insanity?
How the fuck is this legal at a school that receives taxpayer money?
BTR1701
Jan 30, 2022, 6:48:40 PM1/30/22
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In article <vwYIJ.17815$h91...@fx48.iad>,
but not because the trans-testicles have an inherent advantage. The
normal women are letting their hatred interfere with their performance.
They need to stop blaming the trans-testicles and start working on their
internalized transphobia.
moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On 1/28/2022 3:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > This "definitely a female person" is revealing "her" very female penis to
> > actual human females, and the school administration is fine with it because
> > "trans women are women" or some such Emperor's New Dick bullshit.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-
> > says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html
> >
> > Sharing a locker room with transgender swimmer Lia Thomas has become a
> > point of contention for some of her University of Pennsylvania teammates,
> > who feel uncomfortable changing in the private space with someone
> > undergoing gender transition, the DailyMail.com can reveal.
>
> On 1/28/2022 3:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > This "definitely a female person" is revealing "her" very female penis to
> > actual human females, and the school administration is fine with it because
> > "trans women are women" or some such Emperor's New Dick bullshit.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-
> > says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html
> >
> > Sharing a locker room with transgender swimmer Lia Thomas has become a
> > point of contention for some of her University of Pennsylvania teammates,
> > who feel uncomfortable changing in the private space with someone
> > undergoing gender transition, the DailyMail.com can reveal.
>
> The extraterrestrials moving secretly among us must laugh their alien
> asses off at everyone involved in shit like this...
Normal women may be losing sports matches against trans-testicle women,
> asses off at everyone involved in shit like this...
but not because the trans-testicles have an inherent advantage. The
normal women are letting their hatred interfere with their performance.
They need to stop blaming the trans-testicles and start working on their
internalized transphobia.
BTR1701
Jan 30, 2022, 6:56:25 PM1/30/22
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In article <add2baec-cb52-4426...@googlegroups.com>,
Should a trans-testicle woman be forced to undergo hormone treatments
before being allowed to compete in women's sports?
--No, she's already a woman.
--I'm a bigot.
Ed Stasiak <edstas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > BTR1701
> >
> > 'Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn
> > swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia
> > by not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do
> > about it, that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot
> > use our own locker room. It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem
> > to care how it makes anyone else feel. The 35 of us are just supposed
> > to accept being uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for the
> > feelings of one person.'
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Pf9MyNKD/1616034620781.png
> https://ibb.co/DKXYQ3z
Let's do a poll here on RAT. Put an X next to your answer:
> > BTR1701
> >
> > 'Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn
> > swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia
> > by not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do
> > about it, that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot
> > use our own locker room. It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem
> > to care how it makes anyone else feel. The 35 of us are just supposed
> > to accept being uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for the
> > feelings of one person.'
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Pf9MyNKD/1616034620781.png
> https://ibb.co/DKXYQ3z
Should a trans-testicle woman be forced to undergo hormone treatments
before being allowed to compete in women's sports?
--No, she's already a woman.
--I'm a bigot.
shawn
Jan 30, 2022, 7:26:20 PM1/30/22
to
compete in the next summer Olympics and possibly set male records.
Then decide that he's really a female in a male body and so declare
himself a woman but do nothing more. Then compete in the next Summer
Olympics as a woman and possibly set new records. Being the first
person to hold both male and female Olympic records.
Don't we live in a remarkable world?
trotsky
Jan 31, 2022, 3:37:19 AM1/31/22
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trotsky
Jan 31, 2022, 3:40:39 AM1/31/22
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the day East German women were banned from competition for such a thing.
You're trying to be an asshole but you mistakenly said something valid
in the process. Sucks to be you I guess.
trotsky
Jan 31, 2022, 3:49:18 AM1/31/22
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The Horny Goat
Jan 31, 2022, 12:30:49 PM1/31/22
to
>Let's do a poll here on RAT. Put an X next to your answer:
>
>Should a trans-testicle woman be forced to undergo hormone treatments
>before being allowed to compete in women's sports?
>
>--No, she's already a woman.
>
>--I'm a bigot.
No - but hormone levels are already part of the standard blood test
>
>Should a trans-testicle woman be forced to undergo hormone treatments
>before being allowed to compete in women's sports?
>
>--No, she's already a woman.
>
>--I'm a bigot.
before competition and if they flunk - well Ben Johnson is alive and
well.
Rhino
Jan 31, 2022, 12:44:27 PM1/31/22
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X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
who were born female.
--
Rhino
Adam H. Kerman
Jan 31, 2022, 12:53:05 PM1/31/22
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Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>I'm writing in my own answer:
>X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
>even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
>in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
>who were born female.
Not applicable to the situation in question but there have been a
>I'm writing in my own answer:
>X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
>even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
>in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
>who were born female.
handful of intersex athletes treated as female at birth and raised as
girls who, years later, failed international sex testing looking at
hormone levels. They are denied the right to compete in certain
tournements even they weren't cheating.
We also know of instances in which the obstetrician couldn't tell at
birth if there were undescended testicles and a partially hidden penis
at birth, or there were ovaries and a large clitoris. If it gets lopped
off, which does happen, and the doctor declared the wrong sex, there are
serious consequences for the individual who has been denied the right to
reproduce.
Rhino
Jan 31, 2022, 1:33:39 PM1/31/22
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On 2022-01-31 12:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm writing in my own answer:
>
>> X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
>> even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
>> in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
>> who were born female.
>
> Not applicable to the situation in question but there have been a
> handful of intersex athletes treated as female at birth and raised as
> girls who, years later, failed international sex testing looking at
> hormone levels.
You're talking about the people formerly known as hermaphrodites, right?
> Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm writing in my own answer:
>
>> X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
>> even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
>> in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
>> who were born female.
>
> Not applicable to the situation in question but there have been a
> handful of intersex athletes treated as female at birth and raised as
> girls who, years later, failed international sex testing looking at
> hormone levels.
> They are denied the right to compete in certain
> tournements even they weren't cheating.
>
> We also know of instances in which the obstetrician couldn't tell at
> birth if there were undescended testicles and a partially hidden penis
> at birth, or there were ovaries and a large clitoris. If it gets lopped
> off, which does happen, and the doctor declared the wrong sex, there are
> serious consequences for the individual who has been denied the right to
> reproduce.
Rhino
Adam H. Kerman
Jan 31, 2022, 3:47:43 PM1/31/22
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Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>On 2022-01-31 12:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>I'm writing in my own answer:
>>>X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
>>>even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
>>>in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
>>>who were born female.
>>Not applicable to the situation in question but there have been a
>>handful of intersex athletes treated as female at birth and raised as
>>girls who, years later, failed international sex testing looking at
>>hormone levels.
>You're talking about the people formerly known as hermaphrodites, right?
No I'm not. A hermaphrodite has obvious sexual characteristics of both
>On 2022-01-31 12:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>I'm writing in my own answer:
>>>X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
>>>even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
>>>in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
>>>who were born female.
>>Not applicable to the situation in question but there have been a
>>handful of intersex athletes treated as female at birth and raised as
>>girls who, years later, failed international sex testing looking at
>>hormone levels.
>You're talking about the people formerly known as hermaphrodites, right?
sexes after puberty. A baby that isn't obviously a boy or girl may not
develop obvious sexual characteristics till puberty. Or they may require
hormone testing or hormone therapy if they don't go through normal
puberty. There are all sorts of problems.
I doubt a sonogram or some sort of other scan call tell the difference
between undescended testicles or ovaries in cases of ambiguous sexual
organs immediately after birth.
>>They are denied the right to compete in certain
>>tournements even they weren't cheating.
wasn't intersexed and wasn't a hermaphrodite. She just produced
additional testosterone but not enough to develop male sexual
characteristics. She wasn't cheating because she was raised as a girl.
Rhino
Jan 31, 2022, 5:07:29 PM1/31/22
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immediately obvious at birth and might not even be crystal clear for a
number of years. Then there are the cases of people who have excess
hormones of one kind or another. Figuring out how they should compete to
be fair isn't particularly obvious.
Then again, isn't the whole idea of separate sports for men and women
all about fairness? Let like compete with like and not with those who
are unlike. Perhaps the right answer is for all those that are neither
unambigously male or unambiguously female compete in a complete separate
category? Or even have several new categories, like intersex,
hermaphrodite, over-hormoned but not really male, over-hormoned but not
really female, etc. The objective would be to get each person competing
in a category where everyone else is (roughly) the same and no one has
an undue advantage. The challenge then would be to get enough
competitors in these categories to have a competition that is actually
interesting.
--
Rhino
Adam H. Kerman
Jan 31, 2022, 5:30:41 PM1/31/22
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in the interest of fairness because the athlete is clearly not cheating.
But sex change or declaration of a different sex AFTER the athlete has
started competing as an amateur or professionally sure sounds like
cheating, and the burden must be on the athlete to prove that he or she
isn't cheating by wanted to compete as a different sex.
The Horny Goat
Jan 31, 2022, 6:43:41 PM1/31/22
to
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:44:22 -0500, Rhino
<no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
>even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
>in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
>who were born female.
>
I happen to agree with you but I was trying on "woke" for size.
<no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>X - a person who was born a man can never compete in women's sports,
>even if he gets his penis lopped off, because he still has an advantage
>in size, musculature, etc. that gives him an unfair edge on competitors
>who were born female.
>
If the swimmer in this case has a penis what the HELL is he/she doing
in a womens' locker room?
(I'm not talking about inadvertent idiocy like the time I walked into
one, realized what I had just done and exited in near record time)
The Horny Goat
Jan 31, 2022, 6:48:39 PM1/31/22
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 22:30:36 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>On 2022-01-31 3:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-01-31 12:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>But sex change or declaration of a different sex AFTER the athlete has
>started competing as an amateur or professionally sure sounds like
>cheating, and the burden must be on the athlete to prove that he or she
>isn't cheating by wanted to compete as a different sex.
Since the former Bruce Jenner has no intention of trying for the
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>On 2022-01-31 3:47 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-01-31 12:53 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>But sex change or declaration of a different sex AFTER the athlete has
>started competing as an amateur or professionally sure sounds like
>cheating, and the burden must be on the athlete to prove that he or she
>isn't cheating by wanted to compete as a different sex.
Olympics again (competing again after 40 years off would definitely be
an achievement!) it would be a moot point. As for others who knows? (I
mention Jenner as probably the best known former athlete to have
transitioned)
>>Then again, isn't the whole idea of separate sports for men and women
>>all about fairness? Let like compete with like and not with those who
>>are unlike. Perhaps the right answer is for all those that are neither
>>unambigously male or unambiguously female compete in a complete separate
>>category? Or even have several new categories, like intersex,
>>hermaphrodite, over-hormoned but not really male, over-hormoned but not
>>really female, etc. The objective would be to get each person competing
>>in a category where everyone else is (roughly) the same and no one has
>>an undue advantage. The challenge then would be to get enough
>>competitors in these categories to have a competition that is actually
>>interesting.
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