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Greg Hanson
Oct 7, 2012, 8:17:01 AM10/7/12
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1. To piss Irish Mike off.
2. To piss Ubiquitous off.
3. Obamacare
4. Do we really want another "Bush tax cuts, deregulated derivatives
market, mortgage meltdown" situation like happened the *last* time there
was a Republican in the White House? Seriously?
5. To piss off all the *other* right-wing political kooks infesting
rec.arts.tv!
2. To piss Ubiquitous off.
3. Obamacare
4. Do we really want another "Bush tax cuts, deregulated derivatives
market, mortgage meltdown" situation like happened the *last* time there
was a Republican in the White House? Seriously?
5. To piss off all the *other* right-wing political kooks infesting
rec.arts.tv!
Ubiquitous
Oct 7, 2012, 10:22:39 AM10/7/12
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4* *8
3* *9
2* *10
1* | *stuporous
0* -*- *catatonic
* |\ *comatose
* \ *clinical death
* \ *biological death
* _\/ *demonic apparition
* * *damned for all eternity
Greg Hanson
Oct 7, 2012, 10:28:20 AM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:22:39 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> 2. To piss Ubiquitous off.
>
>> 2. To piss Ubiquitous off.
>
Irish Mike
Oct 7, 2012, 10:48:04 AM10/7/12
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"After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this November
could not be clearer.
A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
leadership for an American century.
That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and that's
exactly what Mitt
Romney outlined tonight." Marco Rubio, U S Senator, Florida
Irish Mike
In spite all of the lies, distortions and smear attacks the Democrats have
hurled at Romney, he still has one advantage. Obama's miserable record,
failed economic policies and lack of leadership.
could not be clearer.
A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
leadership for an American century.
That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and that's
exactly what Mitt
Romney outlined tonight." Marco Rubio, U S Senator, Florida
Irish Mike
In spite all of the lies, distortions and smear attacks the Democrats have
hurled at Romney, he still has one advantage. Obama's miserable record,
failed economic policies and lack of leadership.
Greg Hanson
Oct 7, 2012, 11:10:49 AM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:48:04 -0700, Irish Mike wrote:
>> 1. To piss Irish Mike off.
>
>> 1. To piss Irish Mike off.
>
Trolls are always the easiest to troll. :)
Irish Mike
Oct 7, 2012, 2:24:17 PM10/7/12
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up a bit bucko. It is a strong pro Romney message, by a very popular
Senator and it was meant for who ever else might read it. But I do thank
you for starting the thread. Please start some more. In fact, start as
many as you like between now and the election. :) :)
Irish Mike
Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
prove you're not an idiot.
Professor Bubba
Oct 7, 2012, 3:47:11 PM10/7/12
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In article <hvt8k9x...@news.ezprovider.com>, Irish Mike
Was it you or Rubio who misspelled Barack even after four years of
Obama's presidency? Of course, it's absolutely stunning news that the
Republican senator from Florida coughed up some post-debate talking
points in favor of the Republican candidate for president. I'm sure
the uproar will continue well past the onset of the next ice age.
Obama's presidency? Of course, it's absolutely stunning news that the
Republican senator from Florida coughed up some post-debate talking
points in favor of the Republican candidate for president. I'm sure
the uproar will continue well past the onset of the next ice age.
Mason Barge
Oct 7, 2012, 4:08:20 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:48:04 -0700, "Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid>
wrote:
>"After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this November
>could not be clearer.
>
>A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
>stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
>healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
>will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
>the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
>leadership for an American century.
I can understand why someone would vote for Romney. I can't understand
how anybody can say the words "balanced budget" with a straight face, when
talking about him, especially when used in the same sentence as "tax
relief".
wrote:
>"After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this November
>could not be clearer.
>
>A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
>stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
>healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
>will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
>the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
>leadership for an American century.
how anybody can say the words "balanced budget" with a straight face, when
talking about him, especially when used in the same sentence as "tax
relief".
Adam H. Kerman
Oct 7, 2012, 5:59:56 PM10/7/12
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Irish Mike <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>"After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this November
>could not be clearer.
>A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
>stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
>healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
>will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
>the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
>leadership for an American century.
>That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and that's
>exactly what Mitt
>Romney outlined tonight." Marco Rubio, U S Senator, Florida
Leadership? A guy who has disavowed every single political position he's
>"After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this November
>could not be clearer.
>A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
>stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
>healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
>will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
>the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
>leadership for an American century.
>That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and that's
>exactly what Mitt
>Romney outlined tonight." Marco Rubio, U S Senator, Florida
ever taken in his life would show leadership if elected president?
That is the main reason why he's not qualified. For a politician, he's
oddly unsure of himself.
His economic ideas are deliberately confusing and couldn't possibly work.
Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
has common sense.
dave
Oct 7, 2012, 6:03:34 PM10/7/12
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the Supreme court.
EGK
Oct 7, 2012, 6:22:02 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:59:56 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com>
wrote:
>Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
>Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
>has common sense.
Obama may get re-elected. I don't know how it's possible with his record
but he may. I disagree about Romney though. He isn't my first choice but
he's at least run his own businesses before. Heck, I think even being head
of the Olympic organizing committee gives him more experience than anything
Obama ever did prior to the presidency. I think he has enough common sense
to compromise. He realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination without
changing some of his positions.
Personally, I'd have voted for Ron Paul. Not because I agree with him
about everything. I just think he's one of the only politicians who comes
across like he's telling you what he really thinks. Not what people want to
hear.
wrote:
>Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
>Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
>has common sense.
but he may. I disagree about Romney though. He isn't my first choice but
he's at least run his own businesses before. Heck, I think even being head
of the Olympic organizing committee gives him more experience than anything
Obama ever did prior to the presidency. I think he has enough common sense
to compromise. He realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination without
changing some of his positions.
Personally, I'd have voted for Ron Paul. Not because I agree with him
about everything. I just think he's one of the only politicians who comes
across like he's telling you what he really thinks. Not what people want to
hear.
trotsky
Oct 7, 2012, 7:23:33 PM10/7/12
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much what people want to hear comes into play.
Were you trying to be funny?
shawn
Oct 7, 2012, 7:46:41 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:22:02 -0400, EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:59:56 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
>>Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
>>has common sense.
>
>Obama may get re-elected. I don't know how it's possible with his record
>but he may. I disagree about Romney though. He isn't my first choice but
>he's at least run his own businesses before. Heck, I think even being head
>of the Olympic organizing committee gives him more experience than anything
>Obama ever did prior to the presidency. I think he has enough common sense
>to compromise. He realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination without
>changing some of his positions.
So what will Romney do if he gets the Presidency? He's been consistent
>On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 21:59:56 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
>>Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
>>has common sense.
>
>Obama may get re-elected. I don't know how it's possible with his record
>but he may. I disagree about Romney though. He isn't my first choice but
>he's at least run his own businesses before. Heck, I think even being head
>of the Olympic organizing committee gives him more experience than anything
>Obama ever did prior to the presidency. I think he has enough common sense
>to compromise. He realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination without
>changing some of his positions.
throughout the campaign on his positions until the debate when he
changed many of his positions. Now he has positions closer to what he
had as Governor. At this point I don't have a clue what Romney would
really do if he became President. Maybe he would be like he was when
Governor. Maybe he would take on the positions he espoused during the
campaign when he kept moving further right as the campaign went on.
I certainly can't say what he would do if was elected.
Adam H. Kerman
Oct 7, 2012, 7:55:16 PM10/7/12
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EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
>>Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
>>has common sense.
>Obama may get re-elected. I don't know how it's possible with his record
>but he may. I disagree about Romney though. He isn't my first choice but
>he's at least run his own businesses before. Heck, I think even being head
>of the Olympic organizing committee gives him more experience than anything
>Obama ever did prior to the presidency. I think he has enough common sense
>to compromise. He realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination without
>changing some of his positions.
A man can change his mind, but Romney disavowed all his principles.
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
>>Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
>>has common sense.
>Obama may get re-elected. I don't know how it's possible with his record
>but he may. I disagree about Romney though. He isn't my first choice but
>he's at least run his own businesses before. Heck, I think even being head
>of the Olympic organizing committee gives him more experience than anything
>Obama ever did prior to the presidency. I think he has enough common sense
>to compromise. He realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination without
>changing some of his positions.
>Personally, I'd have voted for Ron Paul. Not because I agree with him
>about everything. I just think he's one of the only politicians who comes
>across like he's telling you what he really thinks. Not what people want to
>hear.
Adam H. Kerman
Oct 7, 2012, 7:57:39 PM10/7/12
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dave <da...@fish.net> wrote:
> 6. Add more liberal judges to the federal judiciary, particularly to
> the Supreme court.
There hasn't been one since Thurgood Marshall. Kagan has recused herself
> 6. Add more liberal judges to the federal judiciary, particularly to
> the Supreme court.
so many times, it's hard to know how she'll vote if she ever does.
EGK
Oct 7, 2012, 8:05:39 PM10/7/12
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got a chance to talk, Surprise!. Hopefully people will actually remember
Obama's own words and hold him accountable for a change. Instead of
reciting the mantras "hope and change" and "It's all Bush's fault".
Four years ago, Obama expressed great confidence that he would be running
amid renewed prosperity; he famously told Matt Lauer, �One nice thing about
the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know,
I�ve got four years...If I don�t have this done in three years, then there�s
going to be a one-term proposition.�
Read more:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/falling-article-1.1176348#ixzz28f3PokDD
cloud dreamer
Oct 7, 2012, 8:06:00 PM10/7/12
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http://www.loscerritosnews.net/2012/10/04/romney-tells-27-lies-in-38-minutes/
..
EGK
Oct 7, 2012, 8:16:06 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:55:16 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com>
flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to get anything done as
governor of Massachusetts. It's another thing that puts him well ahead of
Obama, in my opinion. Unlike Clinton, Obama didn't want to move to the
center after his party lost congress. He's been as much to blame for
gridlock as the Republicans.
>>Personally, I'd have voted for Ron Paul. Not because I agree with him
>>about everything. I just think he's one of the only politicians who comes
>>across like he's telling you what he really thinks. Not what people want to
>>hear.
>Yes, he never pandered.
He reminded me of Ross Perot for that. I remember when Perot ran and was
talking about putting a 50c per gallon tax on gasoline to pay off the
deficit. Of course that went over like a lead-balloon with the populace.
And this was back when Gas was still only a bit over a dollar a gallon, I
believe.
wrote:
>EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>>Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
>>>Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
>>>has common sense.
>
>>Obama may get re-elected. I don't know how it's possible with his record
>>but he may. I disagree about Romney though. He isn't my first choice but
>>he's at least run his own businesses before. Heck, I think even being head
>>of the Olympic organizing committee gives him more experience than anything
>>Obama ever did prior to the presidency. I think he has enough common sense
>>to compromise. He realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination without
>>changing some of his positions.
>
>A man can change his mind, but Romney disavowed all his principles.
I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's proven his
>EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>>Obama will get re-elected, not because he deserves to, but because the
>>>Republicans chose not to nominate someone who could be a leader and who
>>>has common sense.
>
>>Obama may get re-elected. I don't know how it's possible with his record
>>but he may. I disagree about Romney though. He isn't my first choice but
>>he's at least run his own businesses before. Heck, I think even being head
>>of the Olympic organizing committee gives him more experience than anything
>>Obama ever did prior to the presidency. I think he has enough common sense
>>to compromise. He realized he couldn't win the GOP nomination without
>>changing some of his positions.
>
>A man can change his mind, but Romney disavowed all his principles.
flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to get anything done as
governor of Massachusetts. It's another thing that puts him well ahead of
Obama, in my opinion. Unlike Clinton, Obama didn't want to move to the
center after his party lost congress. He's been as much to blame for
gridlock as the Republicans.
>>Personally, I'd have voted for Ron Paul. Not because I agree with him
>>about everything. I just think he's one of the only politicians who comes
>>across like he's telling you what he really thinks. Not what people want to
>>hear.
>Yes, he never pandered.
talking about putting a 50c per gallon tax on gasoline to pay off the
deficit. Of course that went over like a lead-balloon with the populace.
And this was back when Gas was still only a bit over a dollar a gallon, I
believe.
trotsky
Oct 7, 2012, 8:31:18 PM10/7/12
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firm grasp of the issues.
cloud dreamer
Oct 7, 2012, 8:32:49 PM10/7/12
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;]
William December Starr
Oct 7, 2012, 9:13:37 PM10/7/12
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In article <4ah8k9x...@news.ezprovider.com>,
"Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> quoted:
> "After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this
> November could not be clearer.
>
> A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
> stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt,
> and healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real
> reforms that will bring real recovery, including 12 million new
> jobs, tax relief for the middle class, better healthcare at lower
> costs, a balanced budget and leadership for an American century.
And a pony.
> That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and
> that's exactly what Mitt Romney outlined tonight."
> Marco Rubio, US Senator, Florida
-- wds
"Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> quoted:
> "After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this
> November could not be clearer.
>
> A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
> stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt,
> and healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real
> reforms that will bring real recovery, including 12 million new
> jobs, tax relief for the middle class, better healthcare at lower
> costs, a balanced budget and leadership for an American century.
> That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and
> that's exactly what Mitt Romney outlined tonight."
> Marco Rubio, US Senator, Florida
William December Starr
Oct 7, 2012, 9:16:18 PM10/7/12
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In article <o66478honsanegb30...@4ax.com>,
the opposite of the truth.
-- wds
EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> A man can change his mind, but Romney disavowed all his
>> principles.
>
> I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's proven
> his flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to get
> anything done as governor of Massachusetts. It's another thing
> that puts him well ahead of Obama, in my opinion. Unlike Clinton,
> Obama didn't want to move to the center after his party lost
> congress. He's been as much to blame for gridlock as the
> Republicans.
That's simply a lie. It may not be _your_ lie, but it's certainly
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> A man can change his mind, but Romney disavowed all his
>> principles.
>
> I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's proven
> his flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to get
> anything done as governor of Massachusetts. It's another thing
> that puts him well ahead of Obama, in my opinion. Unlike Clinton,
> Obama didn't want to move to the center after his party lost
> congress. He's been as much to blame for gridlock as the
> Republicans.
the opposite of the truth.
-- wds
Adam H. Kerman
Oct 7, 2012, 9:45:53 PM10/7/12
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EGK <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>A man can change his mind, but Romney disavowed all his principles.
>I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's proven his
>flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to get anything done as
>governor of Massachusetts. It's another thing that puts him well ahead of
>Obama, in my opinion. Unlike Clinton, Obama didn't want to move to the
>center after his party lost congress. He's been as much to blame for
>gridlock as the Republicans.
Newt Gingrich and the House Republicans wouldn't compromise with Clinton,
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>A man can change his mind, but Romney disavowed all his principles.
>I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's proven his
>flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to get anything done as
>governor of Massachusetts. It's another thing that puts him well ahead of
>Obama, in my opinion. Unlike Clinton, Obama didn't want to move to the
>center after his party lost congress. He's been as much to blame for
>gridlock as the Republicans.
resulting in government shut down, although they had a mechanism already
in place to keep certain parts of the government functioning. Whatever
popularity Gingrich had, he disappated with that move.
After that, Clinton had a lot less difficulty negotiating with Congress.
The current House Republicans haven't yet been blamed for the delay in
raising the debt ceiling nor the failure to compromise in the supercommittee
process, so the draconian budget cuts are looming. Probably should have
had those implemented on July 1, 2012, rather than January 1, 2013, so
they all would have had to run on the consequences of the folly this time,
and I bet the supercommittee process would have worked.
It's a matter of this Congress experiencing the country's wrath. Then
they'll start compromising.
EGK
Oct 7, 2012, 9:53:34 PM10/7/12
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On 7 Oct 2012 21:16:18 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December Starr)
wrote:
It's ALWAYS both parties who are responsible but I forgot, Obama is the
messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
wrote:
messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
William December Starr
Oct 7, 2012, 10:02:31 PM10/7/12
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In article <b7c4789av3f2pf2c9...@4ax.com>,
(And what is that strange noise you made up there, after the comma?)
-- wds
>> EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>>
>>> I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's
>>> proven his flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to
>>> get anything done as governor of Massachusetts. It's another
>>> thing that puts him well ahead of Obama, in my opinion. Unlike
>>> Clinton, Obama didn't want to move to the center after his party
>>> lost congress. He's been as much to blame for gridlock as the
>>> Republicans.
>>
>> That's simply a lie. It may not be _your_ lie, but it's certainly
>> the opposite of the truth.
>
>>
>>> I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's
>>> proven his flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to
>>> get anything done as governor of Massachusetts. It's another
>>> thing that puts him well ahead of Obama, in my opinion. Unlike
>>> Clinton, Obama didn't want to move to the center after his party
>>> lost congress. He's been as much to blame for gridlock as the
>>> Republicans.
>>
>> That's simply a lie. It may not be _your_ lie, but it's certainly
>> the opposite of the truth.
>
> It's ALWAYS both parties who are responsible but I forgot, Obama
> is the messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
It is not always both parties who are _equally_ responsible.
> is the messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
(And what is that strange noise you made up there, after the comma?)
-- wds
EGK
Oct 7, 2012, 10:04:13 PM10/7/12
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On 7 Oct 2012 22:02:31 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December Starr)
>(And what is that strange noise you made up there, after the comma?)
It's the sound of me choking on the koolaid.
wrote:
>In article <b7c4789av3f2pf2c9...@4ax.com>,
>EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>
>> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>> EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>>>
>>>> I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's
>>>> proven his flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to
>>>> get anything done as governor of Massachusetts. It's another
>>>> thing that puts him well ahead of Obama, in my opinion. Unlike
>>>> Clinton, Obama didn't want to move to the center after his party
>>>> lost congress. He's been as much to blame for gridlock as the
>>>> Republicans.
>>>
>>> That's simply a lie. It may not be _your_ lie, but it's certainly
>>> the opposite of the truth.
>>
>> It's ALWAYS both parties who are responsible but I forgot, Obama
>> is the messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
>
>It is not always both parties who are _equally_ responsible.
Sure, they go back and forth while blaming each other.
>In article <b7c4789av3f2pf2c9...@4ax.com>,
>EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>
>> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>> EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>>>
>>>> I don't think he's disavowed his principles. I think he's
>>>> proven his flexibility. Romney had to work with Democrats to
>>>> get anything done as governor of Massachusetts. It's another
>>>> thing that puts him well ahead of Obama, in my opinion. Unlike
>>>> Clinton, Obama didn't want to move to the center after his party
>>>> lost congress. He's been as much to blame for gridlock as the
>>>> Republicans.
>>>
>>> That's simply a lie. It may not be _your_ lie, but it's certainly
>>> the opposite of the truth.
>>
>> It's ALWAYS both parties who are responsible but I forgot, Obama
>> is the messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
>
>It is not always both parties who are _equally_ responsible.
>(And what is that strange noise you made up there, after the comma?)
William December Starr
Oct 7, 2012, 10:10:13 PM10/7/12
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In article <k3d4789nvuicimoas...@4ax.com>,
for the current gridlock? I mean, Jesus H. Christ, I'm starting to
think that you actually _believe_ that, which would mean that you're
either wholly ignorant of reality or actively rejecting it.
>> (And what is that strange noise you made up there, after the
>> comma?)
>
> It's the sound of me choking on the koolaid.
What koolaid would that be? I hear a lot of right-wing noise about
"_Those People_ think that Obama is the messiah," but gosh, I never
seem to hear anybody actually _saying_ it. (Except, okay, for the
people who voted on that Nobel Peace Prize. They were just plain
crazy, no question about it.)
-- wds
EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>> EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>>
>>> It's ALWAYS both parties who are responsible but I forgot, Obama
>>> is the messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
>>
>> It is not always both parties who are _equally_ responsible.
>
> Sure, they go back and forth while blaming each other.
Wait, are you saying that the two parties _are_ equally responsible
> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>> EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>>
>>> It's ALWAYS both parties who are responsible but I forgot, Obama
>>> is the messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
>>
>> It is not always both parties who are _equally_ responsible.
>
> Sure, they go back and forth while blaming each other.
for the current gridlock? I mean, Jesus H. Christ, I'm starting to
think that you actually _believe_ that, which would mean that you're
either wholly ignorant of reality or actively rejecting it.
>> (And what is that strange noise you made up there, after the
>> comma?)
>
> It's the sound of me choking on the koolaid.
"_Those People_ think that Obama is the messiah," but gosh, I never
seem to hear anybody actually _saying_ it. (Except, okay, for the
people who voted on that Nobel Peace Prize. They were just plain
crazy, no question about it.)
-- wds
EGK
Oct 7, 2012, 10:47:54 PM10/7/12
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On 7 Oct 2012 22:10:13 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December Starr)
that's been going on for years. Right now the GOP controls the house so
they're doing the same thing Nancy Pelosi did when she was ordering all the
Democrats to fall in line.
>>> (And what is that strange noise you made up there, after the
>>> comma?)
>>
>> It's the sound of me choking on the koolaid.
>
>What koolaid would that be? I hear a lot of right-wing noise about
>"_Those People_ think that Obama is the messiah," but gosh, I never
>seem to hear anybody actually _saying_ it. (Except, okay, for the
>people who voted on that Nobel Peace Prize. They were just plain
>crazy, no question about it.)
"Hope and change, hope and change". What exactly has changed?
Four years later its still all Bush's fault. Racism has been all but
stamped out under the great unifier. It's a good thing we have people like
Snoop Dog to give us reasons to vote. It's the land of milk and honey
under Obama. Food stamp requests hit an all-time high in June. Everyone
is eating. Huzzah!
wrote:
>In article <k3d4789nvuicimoas...@4ax.com>,
>EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>
>> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>> EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>>>
>>>> It's ALWAYS both parties who are responsible but I forgot, Obama
>>>> is the messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
>>>
>>> It is not always both parties who are _equally_ responsible.
>>
>> Sure, they go back and forth while blaming each other.
>
>Wait, are you saying that the two parties _are_ equally responsible
>for the current gridlock? I mean, Jesus H. Christ, I'm starting to
>think that you actually _believe_ that, which would mean that you're
>either wholly ignorant of reality or actively rejecting it.
I think they're equally responsible because of the mindset in Washington
>In article <k3d4789nvuicimoas...@4ax.com>,
>EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>
>> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>> EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
>>>
>>>> It's ALWAYS both parties who are responsible but I forgot, Obama
>>>> is the messiah so he can't be reponsible for anything.
>>>
>>> It is not always both parties who are _equally_ responsible.
>>
>> Sure, they go back and forth while blaming each other.
>
>Wait, are you saying that the two parties _are_ equally responsible
>for the current gridlock? I mean, Jesus H. Christ, I'm starting to
>think that you actually _believe_ that, which would mean that you're
>either wholly ignorant of reality or actively rejecting it.
that's been going on for years. Right now the GOP controls the house so
they're doing the same thing Nancy Pelosi did when she was ordering all the
Democrats to fall in line.
>>> (And what is that strange noise you made up there, after the
>>> comma?)
>>
>> It's the sound of me choking on the koolaid.
>
>What koolaid would that be? I hear a lot of right-wing noise about
>"_Those People_ think that Obama is the messiah," but gosh, I never
>seem to hear anybody actually _saying_ it. (Except, okay, for the
>people who voted on that Nobel Peace Prize. They were just plain
>crazy, no question about it.)
Four years later its still all Bush's fault. Racism has been all but
stamped out under the great unifier. It's a good thing we have people like
Snoop Dog to give us reasons to vote. It's the land of milk and honey
under Obama. Food stamp requests hit an all-time high in June. Everyone
is eating. Huzzah!
Rich
Oct 7, 2012, 11:13:36 PM10/7/12
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Greg Hanson <greg.ha...@gmail.invalid> wrote in
news:k4rrs1$8vh$1...@news.mixmin.net:
> 1. To piss Irish Mike off.
> 2. To piss Ubiquitous off.
> 3. Obamacare
> 4. Do we really want another "Bush tax cuts, deregulated derivatives
> market, mortgage meltdown" situation like happened the *last* time
> there was a Republican in the White House? Seriously?
> 5. To piss off all the *other* right-wing political kooks infesting
> rec.arts.tv!
>
You are on some kind of welfare and have no reasonable expectation of
getting off it. In other words, about 30% of the entire U.S. population.
news:k4rrs1$8vh$1...@news.mixmin.net:
> 1. To piss Irish Mike off.
> 2. To piss Ubiquitous off.
> 3. Obamacare
> 4. Do we really want another "Bush tax cuts, deregulated derivatives
> market, mortgage meltdown" situation like happened the *last* time
> there was a Republican in the White House? Seriously?
> 5. To piss off all the *other* right-wing political kooks infesting
> rec.arts.tv!
>
getting off it. In other words, about 30% of the entire U.S. population.
Dano
Oct 8, 2012, 2:53:42 AM10/8/12
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"EGK" wrote in message news:bv54789nvuicimoas...@4ax.com...
You've been told by the media what Romney's positions were. When he finally
got a chance to talk, Surprise!. Hopefully people will actually remember
Obama's own words and hold him accountable for a change. Instead of
reciting the mantras "hope and change" and "It's all Bush's fault".
=========================================
You needn't keep proving what an idiot you are. Romney has taken more
different positions than Madonna in concert. These have been published for
years and are as changeable as the weather in an average April in New
England. The guy is incapable of making a stump speech without his aides
and flaks having to be at the ready to "clarify" all his gaffs. You're
either delusional or a flat out liar.
You've been told by the media what Romney's positions were. When he finally
got a chance to talk, Surprise!. Hopefully people will actually remember
Obama's own words and hold him accountable for a change. Instead of
reciting the mantras "hope and change" and "It's all Bush's fault".
You needn't keep proving what an idiot you are. Romney has taken more
different positions than Madonna in concert. These have been published for
years and are as changeable as the weather in an average April in New
England. The guy is incapable of making a stump speech without his aides
and flaks having to be at the ready to "clarify" all his gaffs. You're
either delusional or a flat out liar.
Dano
Oct 8, 2012, 2:56:50 AM10/8/12
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"cloud dreamer" wrote in message
news:1tqdnSpIpsmogu_N...@supernews.com...
============================================
I disagree. No one is that stupid. He just says what he thinks folks want
to hear. That's why he changed half of his positions for the "debate" and
will shake up the old etch-a-sketch for the next time. Tougher to hit a
moving target. It's politically unacceptable to actually call a liar a
liar...therefore there's no real risk.
news:1tqdnSpIpsmogu_N...@supernews.com...
I disagree. No one is that stupid. He just says what he thinks folks want
to hear. That's why he changed half of his positions for the "debate" and
will shake up the old etch-a-sketch for the next time. Tougher to hit a
moving target. It's politically unacceptable to actually call a liar a
liar...therefore there's no real risk.
Dano
Oct 8, 2012, 3:03:52 AM10/8/12
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"EGK" wrote in message news:b7c4789av3f2pf2c9...@4ax.com...
==============================================
Check the record for filibusters or using the threat of them. The
Republicans have set new records for gridlock under this administration.
Note that Mitt Romney makes a big deal out of bipartisan cooperation as
governor...when there was no choice but to deal with an overwhelming
Democratic minority. I would suggest this just illustrates that Democrats
are far more reasonable in working with someone on the other side of the
aisle. Just check the actual votes.
Check the record for filibusters or using the threat of them. The
Republicans have set new records for gridlock under this administration.
Note that Mitt Romney makes a big deal out of bipartisan cooperation as
governor...when there was no choice but to deal with an overwhelming
Democratic minority. I would suggest this just illustrates that Democrats
are far more reasonable in working with someone on the other side of the
aisle. Just check the actual votes.
priyanka patel
Oct 8, 2012, 3:51:58 AM10/8/12
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William December Starr
Oct 8, 2012, 4:19:20 AM10/8/12
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In article <5le4789nvuicimoas...@4ax.com>,
lying, or (d) just an idiot. Fortunately, I don't have to care
which.
-- wds
EGK <m...@privacy.net> said:
> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>
>> Wait, are you saying that the two parties _are_ equally
>> responsible for the current gridlock? I mean, Jesus H. Christ,
>> I'm starting to think that you actually _believe_ that, which
>> would mean that you're either wholly ignorant of reality or
>> actively rejecting it.
>
> I think they're equally responsible because of the mindset in
> Washington that's been going on for years. Right now the GOP
> controls the house so they're doing the same thing Nancy Pelosi
> did when she was ordering all the Democrats to fall in line.
Okay, you're eiher (a) willfully ignorant, (b) nuts, (c) knowingly
> wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>
>> Wait, are you saying that the two parties _are_ equally
>> responsible for the current gridlock? I mean, Jesus H. Christ,
>> I'm starting to think that you actually _believe_ that, which
>> would mean that you're either wholly ignorant of reality or
>> actively rejecting it.
>
> I think they're equally responsible because of the mindset in
> Washington that's been going on for years. Right now the GOP
> controls the house so they're doing the same thing Nancy Pelosi
> did when she was ordering all the Democrats to fall in line.
lying, or (d) just an idiot. Fortunately, I don't have to care
which.
-- wds
trotsky
Oct 8, 2012, 8:28:54 AM10/8/12
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On 10/7/12 9:48 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> "After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this November
> could not be clearer.
>
> A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
> stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
> healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
> will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
> the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
> leadership for an American century.
>
> "After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this November
> could not be clearer.
>
> A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
> stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
> healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
> will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
> the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
> leadership for an American century.
>
> That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and that's
> exactly what Mitt
> Romney outlined tonight." Marco Rubio, U S Senator, Florida
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> exactly what Mitt
> Romney outlined tonight." Marco Rubio, U S Senator, Florida
Rubio will be the only Hispanic not voting for Obama.
JRStern
Oct 8, 2012, 11:01:59 AM10/8/12
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Cuz the other guy is a Republican, and Momma told me never vote for
one of those.
J.
one of those.
J.
EGK
Oct 8, 2012, 11:21:19 AM10/8/12
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On 8 Oct 2012 04:19:20 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December Starr)
Right back at ya, buddy. You one of those people who view politics like a
football game. No matter what your side does, they're your team so have to
be right. It's always the other team that plays dirty.
football game. No matter what your side does, they're your team so have to
be right. It's always the other team that plays dirty.
anim8rFSK
Oct 8, 2012, 12:31:26 PM10/8/12
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In article <ikr578tt6jibiii2s...@4ax.com>,
I like WDS and I'm not including him in this but ... that's a pretty
good analogy.
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
good analogy.
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Greg Hanson
Oct 8, 2012, 1:30:46 PM10/8/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:24:17 -0700, Irish Mike wrote:
> On Oct 7 2012 12:10 PM, Greg Hanson wrote:
>>>
>>> In spite all of the lies, distortions and smear attacks the Democrats have
>>> hurled at Romney, he still has one advantage. Obama's miserable record,
>>> failed economic policies and lack of leadership.
>>
>> Tr0ll3d!!!
>>
>> Trolls are always the easiest to troll. :)
>
> LOL. Did you really think my post was meant for you?
It was, since you posted it as a followup to my article. Admit it. I pissed
you off by copying and inverting your subject line, and started a 38-post
thread (and growing) with that inspired t0rll of you right wingnuts. ;)
> On Oct 7 2012 12:10 PM, Greg Hanson wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:48:04 -0700, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>>>> 1. To piss Irish Mike off.
>>>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:48:04 -0700, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>>>> 1. To piss Irish Mike off.
>>>
>>> "After watching the Presidential debate, the choice could this November
>>> could not be clearer.
>>>
>>> A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
>>> stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
>>> healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
>>> will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
>>> the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
>>> leadership for an American century.
>>>
>>> That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and that's
>>> exactly what Mitt
>>> Romney outlined tonight." Marco Rubio, U S Senator, Florida
>>>
>>> Irish Mike
>>> could not be clearer.
>>>
>>> A vote for Barak Obama is a vote for four more years of economic
>>> stagnation and weak foreign policy, as well as higher taxes, debt, and
>>> healthcare costs. A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote for real reforms that
>>> will bring real recovery, including 12 million new jobs, tax relief for
>>> the middle class, better healthcare at lower costs, a balanced budget and
>>> leadership for an American century.
>>>
>>> That's the kind of bold agenda Americans expect and deserve - and that's
>>> exactly what Mitt
>>> Romney outlined tonight." Marco Rubio, U S Senator, Florida
>>>
>>>
>>> In spite all of the lies, distortions and smear attacks the Democrats have
>>> hurled at Romney, he still has one advantage. Obama's miserable record,
>>> failed economic policies and lack of leadership.
>>
>> Tr0ll3d!!!
>>
>> Trolls are always the easiest to troll. :)
>
> LOL. Did you really think my post was meant for you?
It was, since you posted it as a followup to my article. Admit it. I pissed
you off by copying and inverting your subject line, and started a 38-post
thread (and growing) with that inspired t0rll of you right wingnuts. ;)
Greg Hanson
Oct 8, 2012, 1:33:10 PM10/8/12
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Greg Hanson
Oct 8, 2012, 1:34:14 PM10/8/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:13:36 -0500, Rich wrote:
> Greg Hanson <greg.ha...@gmail.invalid> wrote in
> news:k4rrs1$8vh$1...@news.mixmin.net:
>
> Greg Hanson <greg.ha...@gmail.invalid> wrote in
> news:k4rrs1$8vh$1...@news.mixmin.net:
>
>> 5. To piss off all the *other* right-wing political kooks infesting
>> rec.arts.tv!
>
> You are on some kind of welfare and have no reasonable expectation of
> getting off it. In other words, about 30% of the entire U.S. population.
And another right-wing political kook chomps on the bait.
>> rec.arts.tv!
>
> You are on some kind of welfare and have no reasonable expectation of
> getting off it. In other words, about 30% of the entire U.S. population.
EGK
Oct 8, 2012, 1:57:55 PM10/8/12
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the name calling. Not surprising.
anim8rFSK
Oct 8, 2012, 2:26:07 PM10/8/12
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In article <dv467811msfrbv687...@4ax.com>,
Usually his name calling is reserved for Doris Roberts. :)
Dano
Oct 8, 2012, 3:35:50 PM10/8/12
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"EGK" wrote in message news:dv467811msfrbv687...@4ax.com...
======================================
If you EVER paid attention...any name calling from me is in response to
others. I'm willing to keep it civil and reasonable on the rare occasion
that someone chooses to act that way. Sadly it almost always devolves into
calling anyone left of Attila as traitors, commies and of course...calling
the duly elected president our Messiah. Then there's always that issue of
willfully and knowingly lying and repeating those lies even after it's
proven they ARE lies. So. Is it "name calling" to then call that person a
liar? I know it's fashionable to never actually use the word in political
circles. They just use words like misleading...inaccurate...when we all
know what it is.
Yep. You really raise the bar on civil discourse now don't you?
If you EVER paid attention...any name calling from me is in response to
others. I'm willing to keep it civil and reasonable on the rare occasion
that someone chooses to act that way. Sadly it almost always devolves into
calling anyone left of Attila as traitors, commies and of course...calling
the duly elected president our Messiah. Then there's always that issue of
willfully and knowingly lying and repeating those lies even after it's
proven they ARE lies. So. Is it "name calling" to then call that person a
liar? I know it's fashionable to never actually use the word in political
circles. They just use words like misleading...inaccurate...when we all
know what it is.
Yep. You really raise the bar on civil discourse now don't you?
Adam H. Kerman
Oct 8, 2012, 5:11:22 PM10/8/12
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anim8rFSK
Oct 8, 2012, 7:16:00 PM10/8/12
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In article <k4vfhq$bqr$8...@news.albasani.net>,
Why would Napolitano deport a non white? She did everything she could
to cripple any attempt to stop illegal immigration while she was
screwing up Arizona.
to cripple any attempt to stop illegal immigration while she was
screwing up Arizona.
Ubiquitous
Oct 9, 2012, 5:43:25 AM10/9/12
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In article <k4s3ia$ivr$1...@news.mixmin.net>, greg.ha...@gmail.invalid
wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:22:39 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> TROLL-O-METER
>>
>> 5* 6* *7
>> 4* *8
>> 3* *9
>> 2* *10
>> 1* | *stuporous
>> 0* -*- *catatonic
>> * |\ *comatose
>> * \ *clinical death
>> * \ *biological death
>> * _\/ *demonic apparition
>> * * *damned for all eternity
>
>Aha. Success!
The troll-o-meter knows all! Hail the troll-o-meter!
--
"Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg
a second time."
wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:22:39 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> TROLL-O-METER
>>
>> 5* 6* *7
>> 4* *8
>> 3* *9
>> 2* *10
>> 1* | *stuporous
>> 0* -*- *catatonic
>> * |\ *comatose
>> * \ *clinical death
>> * \ *biological death
>> * _\/ *demonic apparition
>> * * *damned for all eternity
>
>Aha. Success!
The troll-o-meter knows all! Hail the troll-o-meter!
--
"Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg
a second time."
trotsky
Oct 10, 2012, 8:23:44 AM10/10/12
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