Mourning TV
Ken from Chicago
commonfolk mourners shown on C-SPAN? Come on, it's a funeral and many
"mourners" are dressed like they're at an amusement park. Sure, it's hot,
but you knew that before going to view Reagan's coffin there to stand in
line for several hours. Would some slacks and a formal shirt / blouse kill
ya? I mean people who live in deserts wear long sleeves, cloaks and robes
manage it.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Or will C-SPAN be blamed for airing casual mourners?
Farrell8882
>Come on, it's a funeral and many
>"mourners" are dressed like they're at an amusement park. Sure, it's hot,
>but you knew that before going to view Reagan's coffin there to stand in
>line for several hours.
Oh, grow up. They're walking past a coffin, not sitting down to an eight-course
meal with it.
Farrell8882
>Sure, it's hot,
>but you knew that before going to view Reagan's coffin there to stand in
>line for several hours. Would some slacks and a formal shirt / blouse kill
>ya?
Why should they suffer? I just don't see the point. Not one less degree of
respect has been shown by someone's wearing weather-appropriate clothing.
Nonymous
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Will conservative commentators complain about conservative(?) casualwear
> commonfolk mourners shown on C-SPAN? Come on, it's a funeral and many
> "mourners" are dressed like they're at an amusement park. Sure, it's hot,
> but you knew that before going to view Reagan's coffin there to stand in
> line for several hours. Would some slacks and a formal shirt / blouse kill
> ya? I mean people who live in deserts wear long sleeves, cloaks and robes
> manage it.
I've been to many funerals where people wore normal street clothes, tennis
shoes, etc. They just dont normally need nor own dressier clothes nor have
the money to blow on some for a single wearing. Never bothered me at all.
It's nicer for people to at least show up and pay some respect versus those
that don't show up at all.
Ubiquitous
: "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote:
:> Will conservative commentators complain about conservative(?) casualwear
:> commonfolk mourners shown on C-SPAN? Come on, it's a funeral and many
:> "mourners" are dressed like they're at an amusement park. Sure, it's hot,
:> but you knew that before going to view Reagan's coffin there to stand in
:> line for several hours. Would some slacks and a formal shirt / blouse kill
:> ya? I mean people who live in deserts wear long sleeves, cloaks and robes
:> manage it.
Consider it a legacy of "casual Fridays"; People don't dress up much now-a-days.
: It's nicer for people to at least show up and pay some respect versus those
: that don't show up at all.
Or those who show up and don't pay respect.
trotsky
I don't understand all this talk about "respect". Apparently there are
weak minded individuals that don't understand what "free country" really
means. Countless people have died trying to protect the freedom of
those that wouldn't have others' values imposed on them. And yet here
we are again, with people trying to impose values. That is the
definition of being unAmerican.
David Johnston
No they haven't.
Mpoconnor7
I'm happy Reagan didn't die in the middle of winter and people would be
standing in line risking frostbite or something. Most of the mourners had to
stand in line for 6-9 hours and it has been unusually hot in DC the last couple
days I have heard. I don't have a problem with them dressing casually.
Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man
"The likelihood of one individual being correct increases in a direct
proportion to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"
James Mason from the movie "Heaven Can Wait".
NOW STAND BACK YOU ITs Mr Hole
>Will conservative commentators complain
>about conservative(?) casualwear
>commonfolk mourners shown on
>C-SPAN? Come on, it's a funeral and
>many "mourners" are dressed like they're
>at an amusement park. Sure, it's hot, but
>you knew that before going to view
>Reagan's coffin there to stand in line for
>several hours. Would some slacks and a
>formal shirt / blouse kill ya? I mean
>people who live in deserts wear long
>sleeves, cloaks and robes manage it.
>P.S. Or will C-SPAN be blamed for airing
>casual mourners?
I was tuned into C-SPAN on Friday morning around 2am and was SHOCKED to
see all these babies, toddlers, and tweens (no doubt named Reagan)
accompanied by their parents being shuffled past the coffin, its too bad
social services wasn't on the other side of the Capitol prepared to take
all the kids away and throw the lowlife parents into the pokey.
P.S. Earlier, they showed a shot of all the people waiting outside in
line and they were just tossing their trash (bottles, wrappers, papers,
god knows what else!) onto the ground that everyone in back of them in
line had to eventually pass, they couldn't even wit until the passed a
trash receptacle, definitely a Republican crowd.
P.P.S. Yes, most of the mourners on C-SPAN were dressed pretty slovenly,
but then the vast majority of them were from Virginia, so that much is
to be expected.
..
Mr. Hole
"You would make a destructive god, Mr. Hole, but as a human, you remain
pathetic and ineffectual." -- Heck
NOW STAND BACK YOU ITs Mr Hole
>I'm happy Reagan didn't die in the middle
>of winter and people would be standing in
>line risking frostbite or something. Most of
>the mourners had to stand in line for 6-9
>hours and it has been unusually hot in DC
>the last couple days I have heard.
Unusually hot? No. Normal late Spring early Summer weather for the
Mid-Atlantic States. Trust me, you don't want to live in this area from
May until about mid September.
Robert Morrisette
than Chicago. Is that the best anti-Reagan thing you can think of? Why do
you have to dress up to show respect?
Sabu
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Ken from Chicago
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Right. I didn't say formal wear, but come on. Would long pants and a
collared shirt and socks be so difficult?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
But people who LIVE in the desert, in Arabia or the Sahara or some other
desert country that ends in "-a" are COVERED from head to frelling toe. It
doesn't seem like it's asking to much if you're going to a funeral (and
assuming you have time to change clothes) to be a wee bit more formal than
going to the beach or on safari.
-- Ken from Chicago
Farrell8882
>Right. I didn't say formal wear, but come on. Would long pants and a
>collared shirt and socks be so difficult?
About as difficult as they'd be on Lake Michigan in February, only in the other
direction.
Farrell8882
Unlike you, I have never lived in the desert, so I cannot speak about what to
wear there. I have, however, lived in WDC, and I *know* that appropriate
Mall-wear in June is as little as possible.
Most of the people you think behaved so egregiously were probably vacationers.
Shorts are de rigeur summer touristwear in DC. Now, had Nancy thought to give
them each a call before they left home, maybe then they'd've packed in a manner
you find more appropriate for the occasion.
I can't believe I'm having this conversation.
So, tell us Ken. Did you put on a three-piece suit today to watch the funeral
on TV?
Ken from Chicago
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No. It's the people have decided themselves to attend the funeral. If not
for themselves, how about the person the claim to respect? I don't think
Ronald Reagan would show up at THEIR funeral in khaki shorts and no socks
(maybe Ron Reagan, but not his dad). I doubt Nancy would show up in a
mini-skirt and halter-top.
-- Ken from Chicago (who once again is grateful for his rare ability to
SUPPRESS visualization)
Ken from Chicago
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Yeah, I attended my uncle's funeral and that happened--but those were people
just getting off work. I mean, if you have to time to prepare, it doesn't
seem too hard to wear slacks, long pants at least. There were some wearing
not just shorts, but sandals and no socks. NO SOCKS! Is business casual that
hard to pull off for someone you claim to respect?
-- Ken from Chicago
Farrell8882
>There were some wearing
>not just shorts, but sandals and no socks. NO SOCKS!
God, you have got a size 15 stick your ass. I haven't worn socks in months.
Ken from Chicago
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I didn't say dress in a 3-piece suit or formal gown. DC has been as hot as
Chicago recently. But how about business casual? How about a nice pair of
slacks and a dress shirt, or maybe long dockers and a collared shirt? Is
that really so hard?
-- Old Man Ken from Chicago (35 going on 65)
Farrell8882
>I didn't say dress in a 3-piece suit or formal gown. DC has been as hot as
>Chicago recently. But how about business casual? How about a nice pair of
>slacks and a dress shirt, or maybe long dockers and a collared shirt? Is
>that really so hard?
Again, a great number of those you scorn HAD NO IDEA that Reagan's funeral was
going to coincide with their vacation, hence THEY WORE APPROPRIATE TOURISTWEAR
FOR DC IN THE SUMMER.
You're acting as if they were invited guests at some state occasion who showed
up in jockstraps and bras.
Farrell8882
>Old Man Ken from Chicago (35 going on 65)
I'm sure you were 65 long before you hit 35.
mar...@earthlink.net
Knowing what's appropriate to wear for the occasion *is* grown up.
Dressing like you're lined for the "Tower of Terror" during such a
solemn occasion reduces the event to entertainment. These so-called
"mourners" might as well have been lifting the coffin lid and getting
their pictures taken with the main attraction.
Ed Bisquera
Let's reflect as to what Reagan would've worn to an event such as
this. He was, after all a well-dressed man and had style and taste.
Those coming to pay last respects, weather aside, should only look to
his example.
Enough said...
Ed
PkJ0891
<kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> writes:
>I didn't say dress in a 3-piece suit or formal gown. DC has been as hot as
>Chicago recently. But how about business casual? How about a nice pair of
>slacks and a dress shirt, or maybe long dockers and a collared shirt? Is
>that really so hard?
You're wasting your breath, Ken. Evidently, while we weren't looking, a new
standard of respectful dress and behavior at a funeral was passed.
PKJ
Cece
I thought the reason for the huge quantity of extremely casual
clothing at the D.C. viewing was due to the many tourists who just
happened to be on vaction there this week. I figured they wouldn't
have packed anything other than humidity-proof-museum-visiting,
10-hours-in-the-car type of clothes.
Farrell8882
>I thought the reason for the huge quantity of extremely casual
>clothing at the D.C. viewing was due to the many tourists who just
>happened to be on vaction there this week. I figured they wouldn't
>have packed anything other than humidity-proof-museum-visiting,
>10-hours-in-the-car type of clothes.
You're absolutely right, but just *try* using logic with this crowd of
loserinos.
D
In article <95a543c.04061...@posting.google.com>, jec...@aol.com
(Cece) wrote:
> I thought the reason for the huge quantity of extremely casual
> clothing at the D.C. viewing was due to the many tourists who just
> happened to be on vaction there this week. I figured they wouldn't
> have packed anything other than humidity-proof-museum-visiting,
> 10-hours-in-the-car type of clothes.
I went down for the funeral procession to the Capitol and stood along
Constitution Avenue. My impression is that a lot of the people there were
indeed tourists who had spent a hot day on the Mall. Washington was fairly
hot for most of last week, in the 80s and getting up to 90 or so. This was
about 10-12 degrees above average for Washington for this time of year.
I dressed up a bit, putting on slacks and a long-sleeved dress shirt. But I
got the impression that a lot of people were local and went downtown and
chose to dress casually. People just do not have the same sense of decorum
as they used to about these things.
However, the vast majority of them were there to show their respect (as
opposed to merely gawking). You can complain all you want about how they
dressed, but they at least went. Why complain about the people who went who
did not dress up rather than the people who had the opportunity to go (like
all those federal workers who got to leave work an hour early) who simply
chose to go home? Who was being more respectful then?
D
Farrell8882
>Why complain about the people who went who
>did not dress up rather than the people who had the opportunity to go (like
>all those federal workers who got to leave work an hour early) who simply
>chose to go home? Who was being more respectful then?
>
Why, everyone knows that how things *look* is more important than how things
actually *are*.
JSTONE9352
>Knowing what's appropriate to wear for the occasion *is* grown up.
>Dressing like you're lined for the "Tower of Terror" during such a
>solemn occasion reduces the event to entertainment. These so-called
>"mourners" might as well have been lifting the coffin lid and getting
>their pictures taken with the main attraction.
>
>
looked upon it as a solemn occasion as much as it just being a "media event" to
go and gawk at the casket.
There seemed to be no time for quiet
reflection as the guards were urging
people to keep moving along.
In the context of "take a quick look
and get out of here" I don't blame people
for treating it as not a dress up event.
>
>
>
Auzerais310
>From: "Ken from Chicago"
>>There were some wearing
>>not just shorts, but sandals and no socks.
>> NO SOCKS!
>God, you have got a size 15 stick your ass. I
> haven't worn socks in months.
Yeah, and I'd bet farrell hasn't bothered to change his underwear for
years!
~~o~~ ~~o~~ ~~o~~ ~~o~~
I'll start eating natural foods
-- when people stop dying from natural causes.
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we
shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any
friend, oppose any foe; in order to assure the survival and the
success of liberty."
--President John F. Kennedy
Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1961
Farrell8882
>
>Yeah, and I'd bet farrell hasn't bothered to change his underwear for
>years!
Why would you say that? I change my underwear every day. Shows what you know,
moron.
Just because people don't show up for life in a tux doesn't mean they don't
have a life. I wouldn't want to live in your straight-jacketed life for
anything, you miserable excuse.
MaryFX
It is amazing you all can find CSPAN on your dial. I would have
thought the material too pithy and words to big for this crowd.
What a bunch of conversational bores.
Ken from Chicago
"MaryFX" <mar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in
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> > Hard to believe 'so many' have so little of importance to say about the
death of a significant president outside of snide fashionista remarks. No
wonder Americans are considered stupid idiots obsessing over the
insignificant.
> It is amazing you all can find CSPAN on your dial. I would have
> thought the material too pithy and words to big for this crowd.
> What a bunch of conversational bores.
I'd like to think if I was a Reagan fan I would be a bit more worked up in
grief than to worry about the fashion statement made by "mourners". And if I
were a Reagan opponent I'd like to think his record with the poor, people of
color, the environment, on the AIDS crisis--or his lack thereof--would
provide significant more ammo than worrying about people in shorts who quite
frankly would have a better view of Reagan's coffin on C-SPAN than in person
from several yards away for at most several seconds before being rushed off
to let the next person in line in.
> Will conservative commentators complain about conservative(?)
> casualwear
> > commonfolk mourners shown on C-SPAN? Come on, it's a funeral and many
> > "mourners" are dressed like they're at an amusement park. Sure, it's
hot,
> > but you knew that before going to view Reagan's coffin there to stand in
> > line for several hours. Would some slacks and a formal shirt / blouse
kill
> > ya? I mean people who live in deserts wear long sleeves, cloaks and
robes
> > manage it.
> >
> > -- Ken from Chicago
> >
> > P.S. Or will C-SPAN be blamed for airing casual mourners?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
> >From: "Ken from Chicago" kwicker_era...@ameritech.net
>
> >I didn't say dress in a 3-piece suit or formal gown. DC has been as hot
as
> >Chicago recently. But how about business casual? How about a nice pair of
> >slacks and a dress shirt, or maybe long dockers and a collared shirt? Is
> >that really so hard?
>
> Again, a great number of those you scorn HAD NO IDEA that Reagan's funeral
was
> going to coincide with their vacation, hence THEY WORE APPROPRIATE
TOURISTWEAR
> FOR DC IN THE SUMMER.
While I don't think they were all tourists, I had not considered that DC is
a tourist place. Still, it seems like if they can afford a vacation and
afford to spend half a day in line, they could afford a pair of slacks.
Too, some have been interviewed revealing 1) they were not tourists and,
most damaging 2) they viewed Reagan as a great president and they "had to be
a part of this".
> You're acting as if they were invited guests at some state occasion who
showed
> up in jockstraps and bras.
Once again my rare ability to SUPPRESS visualization spared me lifetime
institutionalization.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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Okay, okay, I concede I failed to consider the high tourist population in
DC, especially around Memorial Day, the opening of WW2 monument and the 60th
anniversary of D-Day.
-- Ken from Chicago
David Johnston
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>"MaryFX" <mar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in
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>> > Hard to believe 'so many' have so little of importance to say about the
>death of a significant president outside of snide fashionista remarks. No
>wonder Americans are considered stupid idiots obsessing over the
>insignificant.
>> It is amazing you all can find CSPAN on your dial. I would have
>> thought the material too pithy and words to big for this crowd.
>> What a bunch of conversational bores.
>
>I'd like to think if I was a Reagan fan I would be a bit more worked up in
>grief than to worry about the fashion statement made by "mourners".
Only if you'd totally lost your sense of proportion. After all, most
admirers of Reagan had never even met the man, and know the
guy wasn't exactly plucked untimely.
Ken from Chicago
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Yeah, it's kinda scary, like when Princess Di or JFK jr died. So much grief
for someone you didn't know personally, whom didn't know you from Adam, and
so much projection of qualities onto them. Kinda scary.
Then again I'm not into autographs or taking celebrity photos. The closest I
think've gotten was at a Chicago Comicon in '94 and saw the guest of honor,
J. Michael Straczynki and his wife, Kathryn Drennan, walking around the
comic book area of the convention, with no entourage, just a couple, like
any other couple there (who lacked a costume or face paint, etc.), looking
at exhibits and for old comic books, and for a moment I considered changing
direction and following them. A similar moment happened after one of Joe's
panels and he was nearly mobbed by fans and he escaped into the men's room
and for a moment I felt a call of nature. Yet both cases I felt myself
recoil at the clearly stalkeresque "this way lies madness" path. I can only
imagine what it's like NOT to have that recoil to hold you back.
Or maybe it's simply a lack of a degree of empathy resulting in a certain
level of isolation.
-- Psychobabbling Ken from Chicago
Farrell8882
>Yeah, it's kinda scary, like when Princess Di or JFK jr died.
And when we traipsed up to the British embassy, WE WORE SHORTS.
And when people went down to Junior's apt. building, THEY WORE SHORTS.
Ken from Chicago
Were those tourists and it was broiling hot then?
And thing brings up another beef, the ad hoc shrines. At least the roadside
shrines I kinda understand where someone died in a roadside crash (altho
that's kinda creepy memorializing at the scene of the death). I mean an
embassy or apartment building? Other people work or live there too. Why not
mail it to the family instead of leaving it out where someone WILL steal it,
or throw in the trash?
-- Ken from Chicago (and resident stick in the mud, who has officially
turned into his parents, and will now start yelling at passerby kids to stay
off his lawn, turn out the light, close that door and put on a jacket lest
they catch their death of cold)
P.S. Yes, I know there are some people weirded out at the funerals I've
attended and thot totally respectful. "You what? You gutted the body and
filled it with embalming fluid just so you could stare at it for a few
hours?!!" "You BURIED her in the ground, where worms and whatnot could have
their way with the remains instead of having a simple dignified cleansing
fire?"
Farrell8882
>"Farrell8882" <farre...@aol.com>
>> >From: "Ken from Chicago" kwicker_era...@ameritech.net
>> >Yeah, it's kinda scary, like when Princess Di or JFK jr died.
>>
>> And when we traipsed up to the British embassy, WE WORE SHORTS.
>>
>> And when people went down to Junior's apt. building, THEY WORE SHORTS.
>
>Were those tourists and it was broiling hot then?
For Princess Di, I didn't check tourist IDs. It was summer in DC. One does not
check for broilingness before one puts on a pair of shorts. One simply puts on
the shorts and then zips up Mass. Ave.
I didn't go to NY for the Junior thing.
Your hatred of shorts makes me suspect you've got ugly legs.
Ken from Chicago
Nonononononononoononononononono! My aversion of wearing shorts in public
where other people can see has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at
hand. Absolutely. Nothing.
-- Ken from Chicago (who was not traumatized as a child for being fat)
P.S. I'm totally sane no matter what the shrinks say.
pb...
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>
>>>From: "Ken from Chicago" kwicker_era...@ameritech.net
>>
>>>Yeah, it's kinda scary, like when Princess Di or JFK jr died.
>>
>>And when we traipsed up to the British embassy, WE WORE SHORTS.
>>
>>And when people went down to Junior's apt. building, THEY WORE SHORTS.
>
>
> Were those tourists and it was broiling hot then?
Ken...
How *dare* you turn into your parents!? It's just not done, man.
Didn't you know that?
pb...
who hasn't forgotten the look of my classmates at our 25th
reunion - we all looked like our parents! ...and is looking
forward to seeing all of us together again at our upcoming
40th!
Farrell8882
>>>And when we traipsed up to the British embassy, WE WORE SHORTS.
>>>
>>>And when people went down to Junior's apt. building, THEY WORE SHORTS.
>>
>>
>> Were those tourists and it was broiling hot then?
>
>Ken...
>
>How *dare* you turn into your parents!? It's just not done, man.
>Didn't you know that?
>
I look *just* like my father did at my age.
Ken from Chicago
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> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
> > "Farrell8882" <farre...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >>>From: "Ken from Chicago" kwicker_era...@ameritech.net
> >>
> >>>Yeah, it's kinda scary, like when Princess Di or JFK jr died.
> >>
> >>And when we traipsed up to the British embassy, WE WORE SHORTS.
> >>
> >>And when people went down to Junior's apt. building, THEY WORE SHORTS.
> >
> >
> > Were those tourists and it was broiling hot then?
>
> Ken...
>
> How *dare* you turn into your parents!? It's just not done, man.
> Didn't you know that?
It's USUALLY done. I merely OPENLY embrace my inner parent.
> pb...
>
> who hasn't forgotten the look of my classmates at our 25th
> reunion - we all looked like our parents! ...and is looking
> forward to seeing all of us together again at our upcoming
> 40th!
-- Ken from Chicago