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KalElFan
Nov 13, 2012, 5:01:34 PM11/13/12
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Speculation begins on casting...
http://www.deadline.com/2012/11/johnny-carson-estate-in-feature-deal-for-biopic-on-iconic-late-night-host/
The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
Now, for Ed McMahon... I'll have to think about that one.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/11/johnny-carson-estate-in-feature-deal-for-biopic-on-iconic-late-night-host/
The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
Now, for Ed McMahon... I'll have to think about that one.
Michael OConnor
Nov 13, 2012, 6:30:44 PM11/13/12
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> The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
> Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
>
> Now, for Ed McMahon... I'll have to think about that one.
Rich
Nov 13, 2012, 8:17:47 PM11/13/12
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"KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in
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The American Master's special documentary on him will not be equalled.
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nick
Nov 13, 2012, 8:34:48 PM11/13/12
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Tom
Nov 13, 2012, 8:42:53 PM11/13/12
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Tom
William December Starr
Nov 13, 2012, 9:00:09 PM11/13/12
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In article <agfu8p...@mid.individual.net>,
They might have to use CGI for that.
-- wds (sort of like the Hulk...)
-- wds (sort of like the Hulk...)
Bill Steele
Nov 14, 2012, 2:35:53 PM11/14/12
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In article <agfu8p...@mid.individual.net>,
of disbelief. A moderate physical resemblance is good -- you wouldn't
hire Louie Anderson to play Lincoln -- and maybe the right regional
accent, and from there on it's about the personality.
I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
comedian. Even an impressionist can't recreate what makes them special.
Hal Holbrook and Frederic March did OK with Mark Twain, but nobody knows
what he really sounded like.
"KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
> The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
> Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
We don't want an impression. That would destroy the willing suspension
>
> The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
> Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
of disbelief. A moderate physical resemblance is good -- you wouldn't
hire Louie Anderson to play Lincoln -- and maybe the right regional
accent, and from there on it's about the personality.
I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
comedian. Even an impressionist can't recreate what makes them special.
Hal Holbrook and Frederic March did OK with Mark Twain, but nobody knows
what he really sounded like.
Barry Margolin
Nov 14, 2012, 4:11:05 PM11/14/12
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In article <ws21-E52D33.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
> comedian. Even an impressionist can't recreate what makes them special.
> Hal Holbrook and Frederic March did OK with Mark Twain, but nobody knows
> what he really sounded like.
I recall decent TV movies about Abbott & Costello and Martin & Lewis.
> I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
> comedian. Even an impressionist can't recreate what makes them special.
> Hal Holbrook and Frederic March did OK with Mark Twain, but nobody knows
> what he really sounded like.
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
Professor Bubba
Nov 14, 2012, 4:11:53 PM11/14/12
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In article <ws21-E52D33.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
Bill Steele <ws...@cornell.edu> wrote:
(1853-1937) lived next door to Mark Twain, and as a young actor he
traveled around doing impressions of celebrities, including Twain.
Gillette's Twain impression was still in demand in 1934, when he
performed it here:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqHPN4lW6tI>
That is as close as we're ever likely to get to hearing the voice of
Mark Twain.
moviePig
Nov 14, 2012, 4:51:59 PM11/14/12
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On Nov 14, 2:35 pm, Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> ...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050218/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045198/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075409/
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> ...
>
> I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
> comedian. ...
> I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050218/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045198/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075409/
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YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
nick
Nov 14, 2012, 6:13:25 PM11/14/12
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On Nov 14, 4:11 pm, Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <ws21-E52D33.14355314112...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Mel Gibson back when he was the self-proclaimed protector of the
comedic legacy of The Three Stooges.
Then there's an obvious one: Lenny, starring Dustin Hoffman.
I typed The Eddie Cantor Story into Google, not knowing for sure if
there was a movie with that title but guessing there would be, andsure
enough, there is.
> In article <ws21-E52D33.14355314112...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
> Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>
> > I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
> > comedian. Even an impressionist can't recreate what makes them special.
> > Hal Holbrook and Frederic March did OK with Mark Twain, but nobody knows
> > what he really sounded like.
>
> I recall decent TV movies about Abbott & Costello and Martin & Lewis.
>
The made-for-TV Three Stooges bio-pic wasn't bad, the one produced by
>
> > I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
> > comedian. Even an impressionist can't recreate what makes them special.
> > Hal Holbrook and Frederic March did OK with Mark Twain, but nobody knows
> > what he really sounded like.
>
> I recall decent TV movies about Abbott & Costello and Martin & Lewis.
>
Mel Gibson back when he was the self-proclaimed protector of the
comedic legacy of The Three Stooges.
Then there's an obvious one: Lenny, starring Dustin Hoffman.
I typed The Eddie Cantor Story into Google, not knowing for sure if
there was a movie with that title but guessing there would be, andsure
enough, there is.
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KalElFan
Nov 14, 2012, 6:36:10 PM11/14/12
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"moviePig" wrote in message
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> On Nov 14, 2:35 pm, Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
>> comedian. ...
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050218/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045198/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075409/
For those who don't want to click to find out what those are:
The Buster Keaton Story (1957)
Man on the Moon (1999)
The Story of Will Rogers (1952)
W.C. Fields and Me (1976)
I'll add:
Chaplin (1992) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103939/
Lenny (1974) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071746/
news:0cc7abf1-e7d6-41f6...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 14, 2:35 pm, Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
>> comedian. ...
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050218/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045198/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075409/
The Buster Keaton Story (1957)
Man on the Moon (1999)
The Story of Will Rogers (1952)
W.C. Fields and Me (1976)
I'll add:
Chaplin (1992) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103939/
Lenny (1974) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071746/
KalElFan
Nov 14, 2012, 6:42:23 PM11/14/12
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"Bill Steele" wrote in message
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> In article <agfu8p...@mid.individual.net>,
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
>> Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
>
> We don't want an impression. That would destroy the willing
> suspension of disbelief.
Spacey is an Oscar-winning (and nominated) actor, not an
impressionist like Rich Little. He just happens to do a very
good Carson. For those who may have seen him do it, he'd
be a draw for that and the acting. For those who haven't,
he'll be a revelation in both the resemblance and hopefully
acting as well.
> A moderate physical resemblance is good...
He has that too, and could be made to look young enough to
play Young Carson as well
So I think he's the obvious choice.
news:ws21-E52D33.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
> In article <agfu8p...@mid.individual.net>,
> "KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
>> Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
>
> We don't want an impression. That would destroy the willing
> suspension of disbelief.
impressionist like Rich Little. He just happens to do a very
good Carson. For those who may have seen him do it, he'd
be a draw for that and the acting. For those who haven't,
he'll be a revelation in both the resemblance and hopefully
acting as well.
> A moderate physical resemblance is good...
He has that too, and could be made to look young enough to
play Young Carson as well
So I think he's the obvious choice.
Barry Margolin
Nov 14, 2012, 7:07:13 PM11/14/12
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In article
<0cc7abf1-e7d6-41f6...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Google found this article that discusses a number of comedian biopics:
http://splitsider.com/2011/04/the-trouble-with-comedian-biopics/
<0cc7abf1-e7d6-41f6...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 2:35�pm, Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
> > comedian. ...
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050218/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045198/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075409/
Don't forget "Lenny" and "Chaplin".
> On Nov 14, 2:35�pm, Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > I can't think of a successful -- or any -- movie biography of a
> > comedian. ...
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050218/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125664/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045198/
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075409/
Google found this article that discusses a number of comedian biopics:
http://splitsider.com/2011/04/the-trouble-with-comedian-biopics/
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nick
Nov 15, 2012, 8:09:48 AM11/15/12
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On Nov 14, 6:41 pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> "Bill Steele" wrote in message
>
> news:ws21-E52D33.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
>
> > In article <agfu8pFbeb...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bill Steele" wrote in message
>
> news:ws21-E52D33.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
>
> > "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
> >> Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
>
> > We don't want an impression. That would destroy the willing
> > suspension of disbelief.
>
> Spacey is an Oscar-winning (and nominated) actor, not an
> impressionist like Rich Little. He just happens to do a very
> good Carson. For those who may have seen him do it, he'd
> be a draw for that and the acting. For those who haven't,
> he'll be a revelation in both the resemblance and hopefully
> acting as well.
>
> > A moderate physical resemblance is good...
>
> He has that too, and could be made to look young enough to
> play Young Carson as well
>
> So I think he's the obvious choice.
Except for one big minus on the Spacey resume no one's mentioned
>
> >> The talkback comment from "fluffo" mentions Kevin Spacey.
> >> Bingo! He does a superb Carson impression.
>
> > We don't want an impression. That would destroy the willing
> > suspension of disbelief.
>
> Spacey is an Oscar-winning (and nominated) actor, not an
> impressionist like Rich Little. He just happens to do a very
> good Carson. For those who may have seen him do it, he'd
> be a draw for that and the acting. For those who haven't,
> he'll be a revelation in both the resemblance and hopefully
> acting as well.
>
> > A moderate physical resemblance is good...
>
> He has that too, and could be made to look young enough to
> play Young Carson as well
>
> So I think he's the obvious choice.
yet . . . Beyond the Sea.
trotsky
Nov 15, 2012, 8:21:33 AM11/15/12
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Abramoff, either.
KalElFan
Nov 15, 2012, 9:48:06 AM11/15/12
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"nick" wrote in message
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Didn't see it, but movies (or TV shows, especially any given
episode) can't all be diamonds. Some actors can elevate
the material, though, no matter how bad it is. It may still
be bad, it just won't be AS bad and may even seem decent-
to-good.
The Ultimate Test may be actors who could make reading the
phone book look interesting. Alphabetically, I'll list 10 living
actors I'd watch reading the phone book for, say, 5 minutes
anyway. :-) I'm sure there are many others.
Michael Caine
Robert De Niro
Morgan Freeman
Gene Hackman
Tom Hanks
Samuel L. Jackson
Jack Nicholson
Al Pacino
Christopher Plummer
Kevin Spacey
Others kept coming to mind, Sean Penn, and comedians
or actors famous for a few comedy shtick or campy roles
could comprise a whole list of their own, e.g. Jim Carrey,
Johnny Depp, Robin Williams.
news:b8e62247-0881-4b67...@f17g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
episode) can't all be diamonds. Some actors can elevate
the material, though, no matter how bad it is. It may still
be bad, it just won't be AS bad and may even seem decent-
to-good.
The Ultimate Test may be actors who could make reading the
phone book look interesting. Alphabetically, I'll list 10 living
actors I'd watch reading the phone book for, say, 5 minutes
anyway. :-) I'm sure there are many others.
Michael Caine
Robert De Niro
Morgan Freeman
Gene Hackman
Tom Hanks
Samuel L. Jackson
Jack Nicholson
Al Pacino
Christopher Plummer
Kevin Spacey
Others kept coming to mind, Sean Penn, and comedians
or actors famous for a few comedy shtick or campy roles
could comprise a whole list of their own, e.g. Jim Carrey,
Johnny Depp, Robin Williams.
Bill Steele
Nov 16, 2012, 3:06:27 PM11/16/12
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In article
<630a9287-662f-492d...@h16g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Widely disliked by the critics because Keefe Brasselle did an
"impression" of Cantor.
The best of the movies mentioned are about the life experiences and
issues surrounding the performers, rather than juste trying to recreate
the personality. Lenny is the best example of that. And most of them are
about people long gone, so the audience has no idea of what the person
was like in everyday life.
Special case: The Jolson Story, where the heart of the movie was Jolson
himself, on the soundtrack.
<630a9287-662f-492d...@h16g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
"impression" of Cantor.
The best of the movies mentioned are about the life experiences and
issues surrounding the performers, rather than juste trying to recreate
the personality. Lenny is the best example of that. And most of them are
about people long gone, so the audience has no idea of what the person
was like in everyday life.
Special case: The Jolson Story, where the heart of the movie was Jolson
himself, on the soundtrack.
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