BB-TV 7/11 aka The William Show - Dan T's comments
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1) I think every scene that CBS showed of William will not play well
with viewers.
William making Brittany cry he looked almost like a bully. He looked
foolish with that apology about the prank. Showing William go on and on
about Jordan's rear was getting embarressing to watch.
If the voters are going to be predominately tv viewers then i don't
think William stands a chance. I think this episode broke it for him.
Sadly i think it may end up boiling down to the argument with Brittany.
I think many white viewers are going to see Brittany as trying hard not
to be racist and gets knocked for it by William especially the comments
about her best friend. Yes it was nice that William tried to be nicer
at the end but those tears will be what viewers will remember and her
defending her friendship.
The producer i am sure is furious over that stunt William played and i
think they are trying to make him look bad. CBS i think succeeded. I
thank god i read more of the background of these discussions. Thanks to
those who posted info about the live feed. I do appreciate it. :)
Even the apology about the prank looked so forced and nonsincere. Karen
looked a bit upset Curtis didn't seem to care.
2) Curtis and Josh may just be in love with Jamie. I do not think they
will ever vote against her.
3) I do think the implant talk really hurt Jordan a bit. It does appear
Josh does not like her before the implants talk and will like her less
now. I wonder if she will tell him her career? Although he did badmouth
exotic dancers. I suspect they will vote against each other.
4) George acted like a complete buffoon over the making of bread. Has he
ever stepped inside a kitchen before? All i could think of is Beavis and
Butthead.
Overall still interesting. I don't like how CBS is now singling out
William so much. Actually in the last 2 days he has looked really bad
with viewers - yesterday it was the prank and the uncaring attitude
about the hurt chicken.
Oscar
The viewers love a freak show. William will stay.
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Dan Tropea <tro...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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blake
tro...@webtv.net says...
we had were an agreeable , timid bunch. Also,it's about time somebody
pointed out to Jordan that she has a flat, ironing- board- type
ass!!(exotic dancer or not). Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
jprhedd
antagonistic. I doubt whether CBS created his persona. Let the chips fall
where they may. I, for one, find him obnoxious and sexist.
Dan Tropea
wrote:
> William is an unpleasant person. He appears >arrogant, uninformed and
> antagonistic. I doubt whether CBS created his
I do not think they created this persona either but they do appear to
be showing him the most and showing what seems to just be horrible
moments he has with the other residents.
Based on what i have read in RAT he does not seem to have only these
really awful moments. Yet CBS only appears to show him at his worst.
Unless i have been misreading many of the comments in RAT and he really
is unpleasant.
>persona. Let the
> chips fall
> where they may. I, for one, find him obnoxious and >sexist.
Based on what i see on tv yes i agree. I really wish i was watching the
livefeed.
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Ann Keitz
wrote:
>When William was going off on Brittany, Cassandra kept standing by William
>(by the kitchen sink), but she looked very uncomfortable.
>
>It seems like the other women wanted to leave, but didn't want Brittany to
>have to stay there alone with William.
>
>I wouldn't be surprised to see a chalk outline of a person on the floor,
>before the series is over.
Please make sure that your header reflects the fact that your posting
is about Big Brother. In your haste to reply to Tropea's comments you
didn't bother to fix Outlook's deletion of the nice "BB" that Dan
used.
Thanks!
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JC
Re: BB-TV 7/11 aka The William Show - Dan T's comments
William isn't going anywhere. He's the only thing making BB
*watchable*. The viewers love a freak show. William will stay.
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No way! William has come off like an A-hole from day one.
I'm voting his ass out of there ASAP. He'll be gone by the end
of the week. Say Bye Bye William :-)
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DaveB
> Overall still interesting. I don't like how CBS is now singling out
> William so much. Actually in the last 2 days he has looked really bad
> with viewers - yesterday it was the prank and the uncaring attitude
> about the hurt chicken.
"They use what we gave them. If you came up in there everyday actin'
like a bitch they gonna use what you gave them. Now you gonna come back
and say that you wasn't actin' like a bitch. Yes you really was!" -
The Immortal Words of Heather B.
DaveB
jprhedd wrote:
>
> William is an unpleasant person. He appears arrogant, uninformed and
> antagonistic. I doubt whether CBS created his persona. Let the chips fall
> where they may. I, for one, find him obnoxious and sexist.
I agree. It hard to create a persona when episodes air 5 days a week
and it is almost live.. If the other people were pulling pranks and
making other people cry they would show that too! But William is the
one doing that! Now if Big Brother didn't air the fights you would call
them fake! How you gonna say that they're making him look bad? He's
making himself look bad!
Doktor Lumpen
admit that CBS has been editing Will in a very representative manner. It
seems like they must be giving him the short end of the stick, but they
really, really are giving the essence of what I've seen from him on the
feeds. He's pretty much always exactly as he is in what they show.
-Lumpen
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ME
Dan Tropea wrote:
>
>
> 1) I think every scene that CBS showed of William will not play well
> with viewers.
>
> William making Brittany cry he looked almost like a bully. He looked
> foolish with that apology about the prank. Showing William go on and on
> about Jordan's rear was getting embarressing to watch.
>
> If the voters are going to be predominately tv viewers then i don't
> think William stands a chance. I think this episode broke it for him.
> Sadly i think it may end up boiling down to the argument with Brittany.
> I think many white viewers are going to see Brittany as trying hard not
> to be racist and gets knocked for it by William especially the comments
> about her best friend. Yes it was nice that William tried to be nicer
> at the end but those tears will be what viewers will remember and her
> defending her friendship.
>
> The producer i am sure is furious over that stunt William played and i
> think they are trying to make him look bad. CBS i think succeeded. I
> thank god i read more of the background of these discussions. Thanks to
> those who posted info about the live feed. I do appreciate it. :)
>
> Even the apology about the prank looked so forced and nonsincere. Karen
> looked a bit upset Curtis didn't seem to care.
>
Money. I'm surprised that they didn't show the foot massage conversation
between Wlliam and Jordan. They'll focus on slight flirtation between Josh
and Jordan, but they won't show a foot massage between William and Jordan.
They realize that it may show a more sensitive side to them.
To William's credit, he hasn't pulled the race card. He could totally say
that it would be racist to boot out the black guy for not being a passive
Uncle Tom.
>
> 2) Curtis and Josh may just be in love with Jamie. I do not think they
> will ever vote against her.
>
Yep.
>
> 3) I do think the implant talk really hurt Jordan a bit. It does appear
> Josh does not like her before the implants talk and will like her less
> now. I wonder if she will tell him her career? Although he did badmouth
> exotic dancers. I suspect they will vote against each other.
>
I didn't hear the models conversation, but it seems like Eddie was WAY too
defensive.
>
> 4) George acted like a complete buffoon over the making of bread. Has he
> ever stepped inside a kitchen before? All i could think of is Beavis and
> Butthead.
>
> Overall still interesting. I don't like how CBS is now singling out
> William so much. Actually in the last 2 days he has looked really bad
> with viewers - yesterday it was the prank and the uncaring attitude
> about the hurt chicken.
They could simply show a few more seconds of footage to make William look
better, but they don't.
ME
Ze Ninguem wrote:
> DBird <nob...@home.com> graciously noted:
> > blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
>
> >> Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
> >> all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
>
> > Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To me she
> > comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State can do,
> > then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like. (Bow Wow)
>
> Hear hear! She's hideous! Somebody I was watching it with today said
> she looked like a scary puppet.
>
Porcelain doll comes to mind, but I like scary puppet better. It's sad that the
beauty queen is the least attractive woman on the show and the women on the show
aren't that great. Jordan and Brittany are attractive, but not incredible.
Karen is a nice looking woman and was probably a trophy wife. Cassandra is an
attractive woman with a very nice look and demeanor.
>
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ME
How did he make her cry? She's emotional. The dead chicken made her cry,
too. So what? William was right. He was offended, too, but he just wasn't
crying and stuff. He was composed.
The think about Brittany's friend, Sheila, is that she's just a co-worker.
Before she realized how false and unfriendlike her "friends" were, she didn't
even consider Sheila one of her "friends." Sure Sheila was one of the 10 most
important, but they never did anything outside of work and now Brittany doesn't
work their anymore.
Brittany and William attack each other. How can Brittany mock William, "Oh you
think you're a man?" and that not be called attacking? She's just
hypersensitive. Just because William isn't crying his eyes out doesn't mean
Brittany isn't attacking him.
The funny thing is that William didn't start that conversation ("I didn't start
this. I don't want to be known as the guy with the red, black, and green
flag...). He and Cassandra were talking about how the show was probably boring
and how chores weren't interesting. Brittany joined the conversation later and
they just began to grate at each other.
But Big Brother just shows them arguing leaving you to think William started
it.
Dan Tropea
>Please make sure that your header >reflects the fact that your posting
is >about Big Brother. In your haste to reply >to Tropea's comments you
didn't bother >to fix Outlook's deletion of the nice "BB" >that Dan
used.
Annie why would Outlook drop the BB? Would it be easier if i just wrote
Big Brother-TV instead of BB? If Big Brother would make your life easier
i will try to remember to do it.
Dan Tropea
what makes her not pageant beautiful is her mouth and chin. Her chin
just doesn't look right. She has wonderful hair and eyes but her mouth
and chin the shape is a problem. I think she is still extremely
attractive but no where near close to Jordan.
You really think Brittany is attractive??? I like a more natural look
and Brittany lacks that. Her hair is hideous and that ring on her face.
Just not my style for looks. Cassandra i agree is very attractive and
Jordan is beautiful. Karen is far nicer looking then Brittany.
Again all people see beauty in different ways. I just find Brittany not
my type.
Unmelt
women are...that's why we send woofers like Jamie out there to represent our
state! We have enough people realizing that Washington is the greatest
state in the union and moving here...last thing we need is for more folks to
know how hot the fairer sex is here too!
Unmelt
from...guess where?
DBird <nob...@home.com> wrote in message
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Fawlty
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> foolish with that apology about the prank.
What was the prank? They never explained it, as far as I saw, so if you
hadn't seen the previous episode, it was hard to know.
The show is such a bore, it's even worse than 'The Real World". This was
the second show I saw (I watched 10 minutes of the first episode, which
incredibly enough was even more boring), and most likely the last.
I've listened some to the video streams on the Web, and that's kinda
fun, like overhearing people talking in a restaurant or something. The
show is just godawful. I guess this is how those (weird :-)) people who
don't like "Survivor" feel about that show...
/Mike
DBird
Bryant Gumby
(by the kitchen sink), but she looked very uncomfortable.
It seems like the other women wanted to leave, but didn't want Brittany to
have to stay there alone with William.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a chalk outline of a person on the floor,
before the series is over.
BG
Dan Tropea wrote in message
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I really am starting to suspect CBS wants William to be off the show
pronto.
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1) I think every scene that CBS showed of William will not play well
with viewers.
William making Brittany cry he looked almost like a bully. He looked
foolish with that apology about the prank. Showing William go on and on
about Jordan's rear was getting embarressing to watch.
If the voters are going to be predominately tv viewers then i don't
think William stands a chance. I think this episode broke it for him.
Sadly i think it may end up boiling down to the argument with Brittany.
I think many white viewers are going to see Brittany as trying hard not
to be racist and gets knocked for it by William especially the comments
about her best friend. Yes it was nice that William tried to be nicer
at the end but those tears will be what viewers will remember and her
defending her friendship.
The producer i am sure is furious over that stunt William played and i
think they are trying to make him look bad. CBS i think succeeded. I
thank god i read more of the background of these discussions. Thanks to
those who posted info about the live feed. I do appreciate it. :)
Even the apology about the prank looked so forced and nonsincere. Karen
looked a bit upset Curtis didn't seem to care.
2) Curtis and Josh may just be in love with Jamie. I do not think they
will ever vote against her.
3) I do think the implant talk really hurt Jordan a bit. It does appear
Josh does not like her before the implants talk and will like her less
now. I wonder if she will tell him her career? Although he did badmouth
exotic dancers. I suspect they will vote against each other.
4) George acted like a complete buffoon over the making of bread. Has he
Marc Galindo
us, but I've based my opinion on what I seen/heard on the internet feeds. If I was in that house, I probably would have
already had several arguments with little Mega by now. He's a mind game "playah" who has no respect for his housemates
and fully deserves to get a quick boot. The only drawback, of course, is that, as the first one kicked out, he'll get to
make all the talk show rounds before the novelty wears off. Of course, that may have been his plan all along...
MG
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Ze Ninguem
Hear hear! She's hideous! Somebody I was watching it with today said
she looked like a scary puppet.
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Ze Ninguem
> Ze Ninguem wrote:
>> DBird <nob...@home.com> graciously noted:
>> > blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
>>
>> >> Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
>> >> all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
>>
>> > Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To me she
>> > comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State can do,
>> > then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like. (Bow Wow)
>>
>> Hear hear! She's hideous! Somebody I was watching it with today said
>> she looked like a scary puppet.
>>
> Porcelain doll comes to mind, but I like scary puppet better. It's sad that the
> beauty queen is the least attractive woman on the show and the women on the show
> aren't that great. Jordan and Brittany are attractive, but not incredible.
> Karen is a nice looking woman and was probably a trophy wife. Cassandra is an
> attractive woman with a very nice look and demeanor.
Brittany is, quite seriously, close to what I would consider ideal,
aesthetically.
I find Jordan to be very attractive, and I've quite surprised. She's
not my type.
The beauty queen (Jamie?) is hideous.
Cassandra is very pretty. And best of all, she seems to have a
personality. One of the few on the show.
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each daily life as BB is watching. Most people watching the livefeed will
agree. William seems a typical lower class black male. Angry, sour,
antisocial, anti-nonblack. Arrogant and self-pity at the same time.
Ze Ninguem
> Bruce i have to state i agree Jaime is not all that beautiful. I think
> what makes her not pageant beautiful is her mouth and chin. Her chin
> just doesn't look right. She has wonderful hair and eyes but her mouth
> and chin the shape is a problem.
Exactly! She has a freaky chin, and her features are scrunched up a
bit.
> You really think Brittany is attractive??? I like a more natural look
> and Brittany lacks that. Her hair is hideous and that ring on her face.
> Just not my style for looks.
Mmm, Brittany's gorgeous. She's not really non-natural with the makeup,
it's just the hair and nosering. I adore her hair, though. It's such a
pretty color and she wears it in those adorable little pigtails
(anywhere from 1 - 5 so far). And I have a thing for nose and eyebrow
piercings. Oh, and certain types of lip piercings, too. She looks so
cute with the nosering.
And she's got the fair skin and she's not horribly thin. In that way,
she's very natural.
But, I like my women smart. _Very_ smart. And Brittany hasn't shown
that. I also like them to share my taste in music, and I don't think
she does. She has the look of someone who does, but not the taste. :)
My perfect woman would look a lot like Brittany, but have a different
personality.
> Cassandra i agree is very attractive and
> Jordan is beautiful.
Agreed on both accounts. :)
> Karen is far nicer looking then Brittany.
No! Bad Dan! ;)
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>
> Ze Ninguem wrote:
>
> > DBird <nob...@home.com> graciously noted:
> > > blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
> >
> > >> Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
> > >> all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
> >
> > > Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To me she
> > > comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State can do,
> > > then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like. (Bow Wow)
> >
> > Hear hear! She's hideous! Somebody I was watching it with today said
> > she looked like a scary puppet.
> >
>
> Porcelain doll comes to mind, but I like scary puppet better. It's sad that the
> beauty queen is the least attractive woman on the show and the women on the show
> aren't that great.
Well, the men are flipping my light switch either.
> Jordan and Brittany are attractive, but not incredible.
> Karen is a nice looking woman and was probably a trophy wife. Cassandra is an
> attractive woman with a very nice look and demeanor.
Sandy
Abadah
tropead...@webtv.net.invalid says...
> Bruce i have to state i agree Jaime is not all that beautiful. I think
> what makes her not pageant beautiful is her mouth and chin. Her chin
> just doesn't look right. She has wonderful hair and eyes but her mouth
> attractive but no where near close to Jordan.
>
> and Brittany lacks that. Her hair is hideous and that ring on her face.
> Jordan is beautiful. Karen is far nicer looking then Brittany.
>
> Again all people see beauty in different ways. I just find Brittany not
> my type.
>
>
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she is as flat as a board , chest and backside!!!Anyone who says Jordan
is beautiful should drop his banjo and move away from the Ozark Mountains
as quickly as possible. Brittany is a chubby mess who loves to
argue.Jamie on the other hand is a beautiful , soulful , honest lady. I
think I'm in love!!!!!
Ze Ninguem
> How can you say Jordan is attractive?? Like the Black Dude(William) said,
> she is as flat as a board , chest and backside!!!Anyone who says Jordan
> is beautiful should drop his banjo and move away from the Ozark Mountains
> as quickly as possible. Brittany is a chubby mess who loves to
> argue.Jamie on the other hand is a beautiful , soulful , honest lady. I
> think I'm in love!!!!!
Trust me. You're more than welcome to her.
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>
> Dan Tropea wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > 1) I think every scene that CBS showed of William will not play well
> > with viewers.
> >
> > William making Brittany cry he looked almost like a bully. He looked
> > foolish with that apology about the prank. Showing William go on and on
> > about Jordan's rear was getting embarressing to watch.
> >
> > If the voters are going to be predominately tv viewers then i don't
> > think William stands a chance. I think this episode broke it for him.
> > Sadly i think it may end up boiling down to the argument with Brittany.
> > I think many white viewers are going to see Brittany as trying hard not
> > to be racist and gets knocked for it by William especially the comments
> > about her best friend. Yes it was nice that William tried to be nicer
> > at the end but those tears will be what viewers will remember and her
> > defending her friendship.
> >
> > The producer i am sure is furious over that stunt William played and i
> > think they are trying to make him look bad. CBS i think succeeded. I
> > thank god i read more of the background of these discussions. Thanks to
> > those who posted info about the live feed. I do appreciate it. :)
> >
> > Even the apology about the prank looked so forced and nonsincere. Karen
> > looked a bit upset Curtis didn't seem to care.
> >
>
> between Wlliam and Jordan. They'll focus on slight flirtation between Josh
> and Jordan, but they won't show a foot massage between William and Jordan.
> They realize that it may show a more sensitive side to them.
>
> To William's credit, he hasn't pulled the race card. He could totally say
> that it would be racist to boot out the black guy for not being a passive
> Uncle Tom.
No, I wouldn't boot William out for not being a passive Uncle Tom since
the whole race issue is a sideshow and doesn't give "credit where credit
is due." No-o-o-pe. I'd boot him out for "the main event": 1) for
relieving his boredom by purposely irritating or making other's
uncomfortable. (And, frankly, relieving *his* boredom wouldn't be on the
top of my hit parade) and 2) for blatantly flirting with almost every
woman in the house under the mistaken belief that any female he turns
his attentions to would find him titillating rather than annoying.
> > Overall still interesting. I don't like how CBS is now singling out
> > William so much. Actually in the last 2 days he has looked really bad
> > with viewers - yesterday it was the prank and the uncaring attitude
> > about the hurt chicken.
William probably tried to flirt with her earlier and got henpecked.
(Sorry.) Actually, I think the poor dear was trying to "pull a Sylvia
Plath" in an unsuccessful attempt to escape this turkey.... I mean the
show, not William, although....
Sandy - pretty sure Brittany wouldn't know who Sylvia is.
Teddi Litman
Marc Galindo wrote:
> , as the first one kicked out, he'll get to
> make all the talk show rounds before the novelty wears off. Of course, that may have been his plan all along...
>
Good point! I hadn't thought of that. Unlike "Survivor" where the first
one was voted out simply because she was the "weakest link"
for the group competitions, being the first voted out of the BB
house carries a good deal of infamy as being the radical that
rubbed America the wrong way. It's very possible the first voted out
will get more media attention than the winner.
Teddi
Sandy McDermin
Oops. Meant to say "aren't." Well, it's 12:50 a.m., what do you want,
clear thinking? ;)
Off to dreamland,
Sandy
Teddi Litman
ME wrote:
>
> Karen is a nice looking woman and was probably a trophy wife.
Ick. She has the ugliest bridge I've ever seen. She's missing teeth.
And she probably has fetid breath with the chain smoking on
top of the periodontal disease.
Yes, I'm a dentist. <G>
Teddi
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"Marc Galindo" <marcg...@hotmail.comics> wrote:
> The only drawback, of course, is that, as the first one kicked out,
> he'll get to make all the talk show rounds before the novelty wears
> off.
That depends on the terms of the contract signed to become a contestant.
They may be under a gag order until the show is completed or is
cancelled, similar to Survivor.
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tro...@webtv.net (Dan Tropea) wrote:
> Annie why would Outlook drop the BB? Would it be easier if i just
> wrote Big Brother-TV instead of BB? If Big Brother would make your
> life easier i will try to remember to do it.
At first I thought maybe it matched some criteria for correcting bad-Re:
(such as the various mistranslated versions spread by earlier (same?)
versions of the same software), but looking back, maybe it saw the "aka"
and though there was a subject change going on and sought to trim the
fat inappropriately.
Then again, it could be endemic to the manner in which the followup was
constructed. For one thing, the entire message was cited but was not
marked as quoted with ">".
BTW, the correct way to denote a subject change is (to use yours as an
example):
Subject: BB-TV and Outlook?? (was: Re: The William Show - Dan T's
comments)
You don't just throw in a new subject before the "Re: ". This is a
convention that dates back to the original rn newsreader, possibly all
the way back to readnews. (Preservation of the "Re: " after "(was: " is
optional.) To aid subject-grouping newsreaders in following subject
changes, a standard syntax is necessary. (Though, unlike "Re: " (which
is not an English abbreviation), it is appropriate to translate (where
articles are regionalized) the "(was: ".)
Not your fault, mind you. You might just not have been taking part in
newsgroups with a more senior postership and had no good examples from
senior role models. Me, I've been on Usenet for years. I predate the
Deja.com archive's database. I even predate the AOL invasion, back in
the days when you could set your calendar by the number of clueless
newbies, before The Dawn of the Neverending September.
ME
gr...@apple2.com.invalid wrote:
> In article <V7Ra5.57291$_b3.16...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Marc Galindo" <marcg...@hotmail.comics> wrote:
>
> > The only drawback, of course, is that, as the first one kicked out,
> > he'll get to make all the talk show rounds before the novelty wears
> > off.
>
> That depends on the terms of the contract signed to become a contestant.
> They may be under a gag order until the show is completed or is
> cancelled, similar to Survivor.
>
Doubtful. William would be revealing little that they don't already allow
you to know from the internet feeds. However, they may be watching their
back and shunning the free publicity William making the rounds would
provide. He would be everywhere for about two weeks till the next person
gets voted off. That's constant publicity.
The Survivor gag order is MUCH more important than one for BB would be.
Dan Tropea
I will try again this Wednesday.
I think the problem with Survivor is that its such an icky place. The
thought of living on that island is just gross. Rats everywhere and no
reasonably modern bathroom facilities are just turnoffs.
But BB is at least enticing. I wonder how well i would do surviving in
that house. Also the characters are at least easy to relate to.
Survivor well i don't understand how these people can stand being there.
i probably would not be watching BB if i did not get hooked on 1900
House.
Also its the summer so all the shows i would normally watch are
reruns. This gets watched by default. I would not watch this show come
the start of the Fall season. If BB2 is not a summer series i will skip
it. Though i doubt CBS could do this show between October and May
Teddi Litman
Sandy McDermin wrote:
On William:
> for blatantly flirting with almost every
> woman in the house under the mistaken belief that any female he turns
> his attentions to would find him titillating rather than annoying.
>
Amen. This is what I find offensive about William. I think the
points he raised about race with Brittany are valid and genuine. The
prank was just that; and it could have been funny, and I
think the other houseguests would have thought it was funny
if he pulled it off. It was no big deal. He pissed off the BB
people by not being able to resist continuing to mess
with Karen after the gig was up...or *would* have been up if
it had been anyone else but Karen. I think most
practical jokers would also find Karen hard to resist.<G> Some
of the *other* stuff he does is manipulative, though. That is not to
say I'm ready to vote him off at this point. He is still interesting.
Teddi
Twc6
William so much. Actually in the last 2 days he has looked really bad
with viewers - yesterday it was the prank and the uncaring attitude
about the hurt chicken.>>
Yeah, but CBS didn't make him be a jerk about the chicken, make up a fake
challenge, make the women feel uncomfortable about not wanting him to sleep in
their bedroom, etc.,etc. William is just a jerk, no matter how you edit him
Teddi Litman
gr...@apple2.com.invalid wrote:
> In article <V7Ra5.57291$_b3.16...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Marc Galindo" <marcg...@hotmail.comics> wrote:
>
> > The only drawback, of course, is that, as the first one kicked out,
> > he'll get to make all the talk show rounds before the novelty wears
> > off.
>
> That depends on the terms of the contract signed to become a contestant.
> They may be under a gag order until the show is completed or is
> cancelled, similar to Survivor.
>
I doubt it as, unlike Survivor, there are no spoilers. People are kicked
off on live TV.
Incidentally, apparently the info I posted about the live shows a few days
ago was a bit inaccurate. Either I misheard Brittany when she reported
the info she was told in the red room, she was mistaken, or BB changed
their minds. CBS is advertising that *this* Thursday's show will indeed
be live. That means the houseguests' nomination votes will be live as
well as the revelation of the results of the viewer vote a week later.
Teddi
ME
Teddi Litman wrote:
>
>
> Sandy McDermin wrote:
>
> On William:
>
> > for blatantly flirting with almost every
> > woman in the house under the mistaken belief that any female he turns
> > his attentions to would find him titillating rather than annoying.
> >
>
His flirtation has declined somewhat. I think that's kinda how he gages
people. It's still pretty silly, but he's not flirting as much. Even
during the foot massage, he wasn't really flirting with Jordan. Josh is
one to worry about in this area. He has a bunch of condoms and nowhere to
use them.
ME
Twc6 wrote:
This is the worst one. He came in and threw his stuff down in a bedroom, then the
girls ganged up on him and got defensive. The funny thing is they probably chose
it because it was in "girl colors" (red/pink) and the other one was blue. I don't
know why William gets blamed for this one. Oh. Yeah I do. He's singled out.
Personally, I think everyone else went nuts. One day, Brittany is crying over a
chicken and the next day she's arguing about whole fryers or a pack of boneless
breast to put on the grocery list. That doesn't make sense to me.
ME
Teddi Litman wrote:
That means they will not air the foot massage conversation, the most
interesting thing so far. They focus on Josh's foot touching Jordan's at the
pool, but they don't show a foot massage.
Explain that one, folks.
ME
Wizard wrote:
> You hit it right on the head. And the black bozo in RW is the same
> way. What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
> enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
> accommodate their needs.
You totally missed it. And the white people on BB are the same way. What is
it with these white people - they are the black guy's worst enemies. They
think the black guy should arrange his life to accommodate their needs.
Face it. You want a white guy in a black body to be your token black guy.
You watch "reality," but can't stand a black man being real. You'd love it if
your black guy came out and said "why wasn't I born white" or "yes massa Big
Brother I won't pull no mo' pranks."
For many black men, racial identity is the most important part of their
personality, a part a house full of white people often can't understand. When
they decide not to try to understand, they decide to not to try to really know
the black man. That doesn't make for a comfortable living atmosphere.
j...@strangelove.bu.edu
> To William's credit, he hasn't pulled the race card. He could totally say
> that it would be racist to boot out the black guy for not being a passive
> Uncle Tom.
Mega may be extroverted and egoistic, but he seems to be above doing
this kind of shit. I especially like his objective take on
things, unlike "hurt-my-feelings" idiots like Twittany and blowup doll Karen.
j...@strangelove.bu.edu
But uninformed? Nah. Mega, Jordan and Curtis are the most intelligent and
informed people on the show.
I think you misspelled Karen.
j...@strangelove.bu.edu
Teddi Litman
ME wrote:
>
>
> That means they will not air the foot massage conversation, the most
> interesting thing so far. They focus on Josh's foot touching Jordan's at the
> pool, but they don't show a foot massage.
>
> Explain that one, folks.
I didn't see the foot massage on the feed so I don't know exactly when it
happened. If it happened after they started editing the last show
and the next show is a live show, the answer could be as simple
as bad timing. I'm not arguing that they are not trying to make
William look like a total bad guy; and that they are not avoiding
showing us anything positive about him. They are clearly doing
just that. However, I don't think *not* showing the scene
between William and Jordan is necessarily part of that agenda.
It seems the two of them playing each other with that "It's
you and me against the world, babe," stuff could fit right in
with that agenda. The thing with William and Jordan could
make for good TV, not because I believe they genuinely
care for each other; but just to see which one will
out manipulate the other.
Teddi
Annie RUtahkn2Me
>
>You are sooooo right! I've noticed several posts saying that William's
>negative personna is based on what CBS is showing
>us, but I've based my opinion on what I seen/heard on the internet feeds. If
>I was in that house, I probably would have
>already had several arguments with little Mega by now. He's a mind game
>"playah" who has no respect for his housemates
>and fully deserves to get a quick boot. The only drawback, of course, is
>that, as the first one kicked out, he'll get to
>make all the talk show rounds before the novelty wears off. Of course, that
>may have been his plan all along...
>
>MG
>
I'd love to see how Megalomaniac Will would behave in house with a majority of
black people.
I'll bet he wouldn't be pulling this bullshit with them. He wouldn't dare.
Every second he's on Big Brother, William plays the race card. That's his
game.
And, when he gets thrown out of the house, he'll make the most of it.
Just wait and see.
Annie RU
TC3
you are kidding right? Did you see her profile? She is the MOST
pretentious human suck up I have ever seen in my life. The face of copying
a thousand emotions when she listens to someone else...blahdiddy blah, she
makes me gag, another Nancy Kerrigan. ah, just my opinion, I am usually
wrong.
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
"Ze Ninguem" <sol...@angband.org> wrote in message
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> DBird <nob...@home.com> graciously noted:
> > blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
>
> >> Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
> >> all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
>
> > Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To me
she
> > comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State can
do,
> > then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like. (Bow
Wow)
>
> Hear hear! She's hideous! Somebody I was watching it with today said
> she looked like a scary puppet.
>
> --
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> Georgia Institute of Technology | How much I need and bleed for
> Phone: (404)206-4638 | Your every move and waking sound.
> Email: br...@cc.gatech.edu | - Smashing Pumpkins
TC3
gross me out and the gums...Jordan looks like a rat faced chick with a nice
bod. and Cassandra is, I don't know, attractive and Jaime is a very ugly
woman with incredible hair and a Drew Barrymore chin...Now that I said that
I will go smack myself for being so damn critical.
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
"Dan Tropea" <tropead...@webtv.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:0d5380cc...@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com...
> Bruce i have to state i agree Jaime is not all that beautiful. I think
> what makes her not pageant beautiful is her mouth and chin. Her chin
> just doesn't look right. She has wonderful hair and eyes but her mouth
> and chin the shape is a problem. I think she is still extremely
> attractive but no where near close to Jordan.
>
> You really think Brittany is attractive??? I like a more natural look
> and Brittany lacks that. Her hair is hideous and that ring on her face.
> Just not my style for looks. Cassandra i agree is very attractive and
> Jordan is beautiful. Karen is far nicer looking then Brittany.
>
> Again all people see beauty in different ways. I just find Brittany not
> my type.
>
>
>
>
TC3
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
"Sandy McDermin" <smcd...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:396BF019...@erols.com...
> ME wrote:
> >
> > Ze Ninguem wrote:
> >
> > > DBird <nob...@home.com> graciously noted:
> > > > blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
> > >
> > > >> Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
> > > >> all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
> > >
> > > > Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To
me she
> > > > comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State
can do,
> > > > then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like.
(Bow Wow)
> > >
> > > Hear hear! She's hideous! Somebody I was watching it with today said
> > > she looked like a scary puppet.
> > >
> >
TC3
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
"Teddi Litman" <dayb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:396BFE53...@ix.netcom.com...
>
>
> ME wrote:
>
> >
> > Karen is a nice looking woman and was probably a trophy wife.
>
TC3
EVERYONE will be happy, then they can do the Asian BB and the Indian BB and
then......sigh....
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
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TC3
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
"Annie RUtahkn2Me" <rutah...@aol.complete> wrote in message
news:20000712090448...@ng-fw1.aol.com...
McDiggins
>I think the problem with Survivor is that its such an icky place. The
>thought of living on that island is just gross. Rats everywhere and no
>reasonably modern bathroom facilities are just turnoffs.
I agree! I'm one of those "fans" who loves to hate Survivor. I loathe the
people and tune in just to watch them be miserable. I'm sure I'm not alone!
I've just found Big Brother to be annoying at best. But I just keep tuning
in.......sigh. I know, I know, I need to get a life <snort>.
D'McD
~sex on television can't hurt you, unless you fall off~
McDiggins
>. William is just a jerk, no matter how you edit him
You're right AND it has nothing to do with his color. In fact, William's been
acting like a pimp and treating the women like his bitches.. It makes me sick.
He must go, interesting or not.
McDiggins
>What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
>enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
>accommodate their needs.
If a white boy were behaving like this, wouldn't he be called a "racist"?
Serack
>>each daily life as BB is watching. Most people watching the livefeed will
>>agree. William seems a typical lower class black male. Angry, sour,
>>antisocial, anti-nonblack. Arrogant and self-pity at the same time.
>>
>
>enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
>accommodate their needs.
>
>
Okay, these posts just prove that the hatred of William on this group is based
on his race, not the exaggerated characteristics you keep mentioning. For one
thing, he was in the room first and he eventually left. It wasn't like he got
in a screaming argument with the girls. Second, since when is there something
mortally objectional about flirting. Would it be okay only if the white men
were flirting with the white girls? Also, do none of you have a since of
humor? It was a prank, and a funny one at that, no one was hurt. Of course
the prank was manipulative, that's the point of pranks. Next, would anyone on
this group really cry over a chicken? If you're racist, just say so and admit
that you hate William because he a black man with character. Don't try to
contribute it to his hardly offensive behavior.
P.S. What makes you think William is lower class?
-Serack
Heather Garvey
>
>
>This is the worst one. He came in and threw his stuff down in a bedroom,
>then the girls ganged up on him and got defensive. The funny thing is they
>probably chose it because it was in "girl colors" (red/pink) and the other
>one was blue. I don't know why William gets blamed for this one. Oh.
>Yeah I do. He's singled out.
That's bullshit. There are 5 women, 5 men, 2 bedrooms. On the very
first night, less than an hour after you first met a bunch of strangers,
only an idiot would think that the rooms weren't going to be Boy Room / Girl
Room. Yes, his stuff was in there first, but all five girls showed up
in the doorway together and it was pretty damn evident that that room was
going to be the Girl Room. So, either he could gracefully get his ass out,
or all five women could have gone to the other room and kicked out the other
four men. Which option makes more sense?
Instead of being graceful and light about it, he starts trying to
get in their pants. (Yes, that's how women feel about men trying to
worm their way into their bedroom!) He starts playing that mack daddy crap,
when it's obvious the women don't intend on sleeping with men on the first
night. While I would have given him one question about "Are we sure we want
to segregate?", because it's a valid question, he pushed it for too long,
to the point that I found him creepy.
--
Heather Garvey | We who stride like giants across the
ra...@xnet.com | world and allow all the systems to
The Lady with the LART | speak, each unto the other.
http://home.xnet.com/~raven/ | -- Chad Robinson, BOFH
fut...@my-deja.com
interpreted as a rejection of standard culture. It's the train of
thought that governs passive racism, an affliction on the white psyche.
I agree with William. I happen to find him the most interesting and
appealing facet of this otherwise mundane and thoroughly boring show.
Fuck the white people if they can't relate.
In article <396C1041...@yourewrong.com>,
ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote:
>
>
> Wizard wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:11:45 GMT, "Babe Lust" <blu...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I agree. CBS does a good job to select the clips without bias to
present
> > >each daily life as BB is watching. Most people watching the
livefeed will
> > >agree. William seems a typical lower class black male. Angry, sour,
> > >antisocial, anti-nonblack. Arrogant and self-pity at the same time.
> > >
> >
> > You hit it right on the head. And the black bozo in RW is the same
> > way. What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
> > enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
> > accommodate their needs.
>
> You totally missed it. And the white people on BB are the same way.
What is
> it with these white people - they are the black guy's worst enemies.
They
> think the black guy should arrange his life to accommodate their
needs.
>
> Face it. You want a white guy in a black body to be your token black
guy.
> You watch "reality," but can't stand a black man being real. You'd
love it if
> your black guy came out and said "why wasn't I born white" or "yes
massa Big
> Brother I won't pull no mo' pranks."
>
> For many black men, racial identity is the most important part of
their
> personality, a part a house full of white people often can't
understand. When
> they decide not to try to understand, they decide to not to try to
really know
> the black man. That doesn't make for a comfortable living atmosphere.
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
ME
McDiggins wrote:
> >From: Wizard
>
> >What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
> >enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
> >accommodate their needs.
>
> If a white boy were behaving like this, wouldn't he be called a "racist"?
No, because since there are more of them, they're called the white guys in
the house. When you're in the majority you can just say the black guy isn't
"going along with the group."
The thing is William is getting up early and doing his chores. He's not
slacking off or anything. He's just talking about things that are important
to him. Race is important to black people and scares white people. That's
why it's so divisive
William isn't perfect, but at least he's being real. I respect that much
more than the actors on the show playing nice-nice. If it wasn't for
William's subtle influence like his suggestions in Truth or Dare the house
would continue to be boring.
j...@strangelove.bu.edu
as if he's guilting others into something. I haven't seen him use
race to any manipulative advantage. The whole problem seems to be that
he challenged Brittany's presumed friendship with her coworker and that
hits too close to home for many of us. He's flamboyant, no doubt, but
that's never the main objection. I think he is very uncomfortable around
white women, and ends up attempting to adjust by being childishly
egoistic sometimes.
Serack <ser...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>I agree. CBS does a good job to select the clips without bias to present
>>>each daily life as BB is watching. Most people watching the livefeed will
>>>agree. William seems a typical lower class black male. Angry, sour,
>>>antisocial, anti-nonblack. Arrogant and self-pity at the same time.
>>>
>>
>>You hit it right on the head. And the black bozo in RW is the same
>>way. What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
>>enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
>>accommodate their needs.
>>
>>
> Okay, these posts just prove that the hatred of William on this group is based
Annie Keitz
>In article <11648-39...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
>tro...@webtv.net (Dan Tropea) wrote:
>
>> Annie why would Outlook drop the BB? Would it be easier if i just
>> wrote Big Brother-TV instead of BB? If Big Brother would make your
>> life easier i will try to remember to do it.
>
>At first I thought maybe it matched some criteria for correcting bad-Re:
>(such as the various mistranslated versions spread by earlier (same?)
>versions of the same software), but looking back, maybe it saw the "aka"
>and though there was a subject change going on and sought to trim the
>fat inappropriately.
>
>Then again, it could be endemic to the manner in which the followup was
>constructed. For one thing, the entire message was cited but was not
>marked as quoted with ">".
The reason the "BB" was dropped by Outlook is that there is a known
issue with the program. Pretty much the program drops any text before
a colon or dash on the silly assumption that anything before the colon
or dash is a "re" and not needed! Naturally MS has been told about
this issue going back to early releases of Outlook Express but they
have so far refused to fix it.
This is a continuing issue on soap newsgroups and posters using
outlook are gently told about the issue and goaded to be careful about
putting the proper subject header back in before they post.
j...@strangelove.bu.edu
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:21:15 -0400, "Oscar"
> <oscaris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>William isn't going anywhere. He's the only thing making BB
> *watchable*.
>>The viewers love a freak show. William will stay.
> William is soooooo out of there. The producers got it in for him, he
> admitted he was there for the money, his ass discussion was degrading,
> and he made the poor little pink haired girl cry.
The ass discussion wasn't degrading, telling a woman she's a fat ass
would be degrading. As for Brittany being on the verge of tears, she
should think more about what she says instead of yakking all the time.
As soon as something she said is challenged, she's tearful. What kind of
personality is that?
Mega's real shortcomings are in talking too much sometimes, and killing
conversations when they are not about something that interests him. He
could also take that hat off once in a while.
TC3
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
"ME" <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote in message
news:396C8B6A...@yourewrong.com...
>
>
> McDiggins wrote:
>
> > >From: Wizard
> >
> > >What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
> > >enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
> > >accommodate their needs.
> >
> > If a white boy were behaving like this, wouldn't he be called a
"racist"?
>
> No, because since there are more of them, they're called the white guys in
> the house. When you're in the majority you can just say the black guy
isn't
> "going along with the group."
>
> The thing is William is getting up early and doing his chores. He's not
> slacking off or anything. He's just talking about things that are
important
> to him. Race is important to black people and scares white people.
That is very presumptuous to say about white people and it's also
generalizing. Race is important to all ethnic groups.
satisp...@my-deja.com
gr...@apple2.com.invalid wrote:
> In article <V7Ra5.57291$_b3.16...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Marc Galindo" <marcg...@hotmail.comics> wrote:
>
> > he'll get to make all the talk show rounds before the novelty wears
> > off.
>
contestant.
> They may be under a gag order until the show is completed or is
> cancelled, similar to Survivor.
that makes sense.
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ME
TC3 wrote:
I just said the group tends to dominate and it stands out more when it is
divided racially. I never said race wasn't important to other ethnic groups.
The discussion was only about black and white people. Race is pretty much
important to everybody but white people. Unfortunately, white is seen as the
neutral and everybody else has color.
satisp...@my-deja.com
ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote:
>
> I just said the group tends to dominate and it stands out more when it
is
> divided racially. I never said race wasn't important to other ethnic
groups.
> The discussion was only about black and white people. Race is pretty
much
> important to everybody but white people. Unfortunately, white is seen
as the
> neutral and everybody else has color.
>
i am caucasian-american, but i don't see myself as being neutral. as an
caucasian american female, i have been in situations where i am the only
white person in the room, and, i think its human nature to perhaps have
a certain kind of awareness as a result of that situation. i know this
is a delicate issue and people of all races can be easily offended by
this line of discussion, so i don't mean to do that at all. i would say
that the experience of being the only person of a certain race in a room
full or house full or classroom full of people who are all of a
different race is probably an experience that has happened to african
americans as opposed to caucasian americans.
interesting thoughts.
diana
satisp...@my-deja.com
ser...@aol.com (Serack) wrote:
> >>I agree. CBS does a good job to select the clips without bias to
present
> >>each daily life as BB is watching. Most people watching the livefeed
will
> >>agree. William seems a typical lower class black male. Angry, sour,
> >>antisocial, anti-nonblack. Arrogant and self-pity at the same time.
> >>
as a caucasian american, i find the above words to be offensive.
> >You hit it right on the head. And the black bozo in RW is the same
> >way. What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
> >enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
> >accommodate their needs.
> >
> >
this type of depictment is crass and unnecessary. why would an african
american male need to be his 'own worst enemy' as you put it, when he
could have someone like you making such outlandish and hostile
statements?
> Okay, these posts just prove that the hatred of William on this group
is based
> on his race, not the exaggerated characteristics you keep mentioning.
For one
> thing, he was in the room first and he eventually left. It wasn't
like he got
> in a screaming argument with the girls. Second, since when is there
something
> mortally objectional about flirting. Would it be okay only if the
white men
> were flirting with the white girls? Also, do none of you have a since
of
> humor? It was a prank, and a funny one at that, no one was hurt. Of
course
> the prank was manipulative, that's the point of pranks. Next, would
anyone on
> this group really cry over a chicken? If you're racist, just say so
and admit
> that you hate William because he a black man with character. Don't
try to
> contribute it to his hardly offensive behavior.
> P.S. What makes you think William is lower class?
> -Serack
serack, although there may be people on this group who dislike William
for his personality and not because of the color of his skin, from what
i have read so far today, i agree that you are correct in surmising to
the contrary. the remarks which include words like 'typical lower class
black male' and 'bozo' reek of hostility. apparently, there are those
out there who can not intelligently get their point across without
reducing themselves to sterotypes and name calling.
flirting is no sin. especially with attractive men.
Matt Ackeret
Ze Ninguem <sol...@angband.org> wrote:
>DBird <nob...@home.com> graciously noted:
>> blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
>
>>> Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
>>> all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
>
>> Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To me she
>> comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State can do,
>> then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like. (Bow Wow)
>
>Hear hear! She's hideous! Somebody I was watching it with today said
If Brittany took all of the damn metal out of her face, she'd be way
prettier (than the beauty queen).
--
mat...@area.com
TC3
not very good. Sorry, I enjoy most of your posts but this one sucks.
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
<satisp...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8kia3r$r6a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
ME
satisp...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <396C9ED1...@yourewrong.com>,
> ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I just said the group tends to dominate and it stands out more when it
> is
> > divided racially. I never said race wasn't important to other ethnic
> groups.
> > The discussion was only about black and white people. Race is pretty
> much
> > important to everybody but white people. Unfortunately, white is seen
> as the
> > neutral and everybody else has color.
> >
> i am caucasian-american, but i don't see myself as being neutral. as an
> caucasian american female, i have been in situations where i am the only
> white person in the room, and, i think its human nature to perhaps have
> a certain kind of awareness as a result of that situation. i know this
> is a delicate issue and people of all races can be easily offended by
> this line of discussion, so i don't mean to do that at all. i would say
> that the experience of being the only person of a certain race in a room
> full or house full or classroom full of people who are all of a
> different race is probably an experience that has happened to african
> americans as opposed to caucasian americans.
>
> interesting thoughts.
>
Well said.
It's just for black people, you're often the only person of your ethnic and
racial background in a situation, so you're very sensitive to it and it's
important to you.
Mary Conner
DBird wrote:
>
> blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
>
> > Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
> > all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
>
> Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To me she
> comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State can do,
> then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like. (Bow Wow)
Nah, most of the beautiful women I know (I live in Washington state and
know many women more beautiful than Jamie) think beauty pageants are for
losers with no sense of self-worth and wouldn't be caught dead competing
in one. Beauty pageants are very lame up here, like they were talking
about on the show, the atmosphere up here is not at all like it is in
the south with regard to beauty pageants.
I don't expect Washington to ever produce a Miss America or Miss USA,
but then, hardly anybody up here even cares.
Matt Ackeret
Ze Ninguem <sol...@angband.org> wrote:
>Dan Tropea <tropead...@webtv.net.invalid> graciously noted:
>> You really think Brittany is attractive??? I like a more natural look
>> and Brittany lacks that. Her hair is hideous and that ring on her face.
I can excuse the hair color, but without the piercings, I think she would be
the most natural looking.
>Mmm, Brittany's gorgeous. She's not really non-natural with the makeup,
>it's just the hair and nosering. I adore her hair, though. It's such a
>pretty color and she wears it in those adorable little pigtails
>(anywhere from 1 - 5 so far).
Is this a new fad? One of the women on this season's Road Rules has the
same hairstyle some of the time. When I see either of them, I can't help
but think "Obi-wan, you're our only hope."
--
mat...@area.com
ME
and primarily identify themselves as white people. The only groups I can
think of who do that use it to veil racist and anti-Semetic philosophies.
Do white people think about themselves as white people?
TC3 wrote:
> Race is important to everyone but whites? Hm...your rationalizations are
> not very good. Sorry, I enjoy most of your posts but this one sucks.
>
> --
> TC3
> "Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
> Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
>
> Tremonti/Stapp
> <satisp...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8kia3r$r6a$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <396C9ED1...@yourewrong.com>,
> > ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I just said the group tends to dominate and it stands out more when it
> > is
> > > divided racially. I never said race wasn't important to other ethnic
> > groups.
> > > The discussion was only about black and white people. Race is pretty
> > much
> > > important to everybody but white people. Unfortunately, white is seen
> > as the
> > > neutral and everybody else has color.
> > >
> > i am caucasian-american, but i don't see myself as being neutral. as an
> > caucasian american female, i have been in situations where i am the only
> > white person in the room, and, i think its human nature to perhaps have
> > a certain kind of awareness as a result of that situation. i know this
> > is a delicate issue and people of all races can be easily offended by
> > this line of discussion, so i don't mean to do that at all. i would say
> > that the experience of being the only person of a certain race in a room
> > full or house full or classroom full of people who are all of a
> > different race is probably an experience that has happened to african
> > americans as opposed to caucasian americans.
> >
> > interesting thoughts.
> >
Abadah
says...
> Do white people think about themselves as white people?
Not until they become a minority...................
Scalfucious say: Why it all doctor - no matter what kind doctor they is - always spend lot of time talking about bowel movement?
> Oscar (in response to Dan Tropea)
> Re: BB-TV 7/11 aka The William Show - Dan T's comments
>
> William isn't going anywhere. He's the only thing making BB
> *watchable*. The viewers love a freak show. William will stay.
>
>
>
> No way! William has come off like an A-hole from day one.
> I'm voting his ass out of there ASAP. He'll be gone by the end
> of the week. Say Bye Bye William :-)
Raise your hand if you want William to go.
Ooh. Ooh. Me.
Why? It'll help "Oh Brother" tank faster when the viewing audience is left
with nothing but the Chinaman, the Crying Pink-Haired Girl, the Fat Redneck
and the Macho Crip sitting, playing Balderdash and making nice-nice.
> JC
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
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101 Things I Hate:
# 49. Adults who set up webpages for their babies - or worse, their pets -
featuring "witty" memoirs that their babies - or worse, their pets - "said".
Scalfucious' Golden Shower Site of the Month for July, 2000:
"Norma Stitz" (Laura San Giacomo fans, eat your heart out. But do be careful
not to drown.)
http://www.normastitz.com/
"That's not coming into foreplay yet, 'cause we're not starving to death
yet."
- SOoZeN HaHck
Scalfucious say: Why it all doctor - no matter what kind doctor they is - always spend lot of time talking about bowel movement?
> In article <11648-39...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> tro...@webtv.net (Dan Tropea) wrote:
>
> > Annie why would Outlook drop the BB? Would it be easier if i just
> > wrote Big Brother-TV instead of BB? If Big Brother would make your
> > life easier i will try to remember to do it.
>
> At first I thought maybe it matched some criteria for correcting bad-Re:
> (such as the various mistranslated versions spread by earlier (same?)
> versions of the same software), but looking back, maybe it saw the "aka"
> and though there was a subject change going on and sought to trim the
> fat inappropriately.
>
> Then again, it could be endemic to the manner in which the followup was
> constructed. For one thing, the entire message was cited but was not
> marked as quoted with ">".
>
> example):
>
> Subject: BB-TV and Outlook?? (was: Re: The William Show - Dan T's
> comments)
>
> You don't just throw in a new subject before the "Re: ". This is a
> convention that dates back to the original rn newsreader, possibly all
> the way back to readnews. (Preservation of the "Re: " after "(was: " is
> optional.) To aid subject-grouping newsreaders in following subject
> changes, a standard syntax is necessary. (Though, unlike "Re: " (which
> is not an English abbreviation), it is appropriate to translate (where
> articles are regionalized) the "(was: ".)
>
> Not your fault, mind you. You might just not have been taking part in
> newsgroups with a more senior postership and had no good examples from
> senior role models. Me, I've been on Usenet for years. I predate the
> Deja.com archive's database. I even predate the AOL invasion, back in
> the days when you could set your calendar by the number of clueless
> newbies, before The Dawn of the Neverending September.
Can I have your autograph?
> --
> __ _____________ __
> \ \_\ \__ __/ /_/ / <http://www.war-of-the-worlds.org/>
> .\ __ \ | | / __ /----------------------------------------------------
> ^ \_\ \_\|_|/_/ /_/ Don't mail me, I'll mail you.
Scalfucious
Ze Ninguem
> In article <11648-39...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> tro...@webtv.net (Dan Tropea) wrote:
>> Annie why would Outlook drop the BB? Would it be easier if i just
>> wrote Big Brother-TV instead of BB? If Big Brother would make your
>> life easier i will try to remember to do it.
> At first I thought maybe it matched some criteria for correcting bad-Re:
> (such as the various mistranslated versions spread by earlier (same?)
> versions of the same software), but looking back, maybe it saw the "aka"
> and though there was a subject change going on and sought to trim the
> fat inappropriately.
It is exactly that. OE will try to correct thread headers by removing
anything that preceeds certain characters. It assumes that they are old
"Re:" headings and aren't needed anymore.
OE is stupid.
> Then again, it could be endemic to the manner in which the followup was
> constructed. For one thing, the entire message was cited but was not
> marked as quoted with ">".
Even OE doesn't try to correct for poor followups. Also, if you're
talking about Dan's message, it was indeed quoted with leading
greater-than symbols, but excepting the first, they were all missing
preceeding line feeds.
> BTW, the correct way to denote a subject change is (to use yours as an
> example):
> Subject: BB-TV and Outlook?? (was: Re: The William Show - Dan T's
> comments)
> You don't just throw in a new subject before the "Re: ". This is a
> convention that dates back to the original rn newsreader, possibly all
> the way back to readnews. (Preservation of the "Re: " after "(was: " is
> optional.) To aid subject-grouping newsreaders in following subject
> changes, a standard syntax is necessary. (Though, unlike "Re: " (which
> is not an English abbreviation), it is appropriate to translate (where
> articles are regionalized) the "(was: ".)
readnews recommended keeping the "Re:," but it wasn't required.
Nowadays, it's pretty much standard, but still unregulated.
Of course, this is all covered in the RFCs. 1036, S-O-1036, mainly.
> Not your fault, mind you. You might just not have been taking part in
> newsgroups with a more senior postership and had no good examples from
> senior role models.
Look at this whole newsgroup. I don't think they've _ever_ had
knowledgable role models (with a few notable exceptions).
--
Bruce Labbate CS Jr cs2330 TA | There you are
Georgia Institute of Technology | As you always were
Phone: (404)206-4638 | You bathe in life
Email: br...@cc.gatech.edu | And naked blur - Smashing Pumpkins
Bryant Gumby
On one hand he acts like the world should revolve around him - on the other
hand he cries that he should be treated equal.
I agree that having William around would provide conflict and make the show
more interesting - but if I voted, I would vote him out, to knock him on his
ass, and teach him a lesson.
William is a bully.
BG
fut...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8ki2q2$kuu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>I completly agree with you. It's as if being black is somehow
>interpreted as a rejection of standard culture. It's the train of
>thought that governs passive racism, an affliction on the white psyche.
>I agree with William. I happen to find him the most interesting and
>appealing facet of this otherwise mundane and thoroughly boring show.
>Fuck the white people if they can't relate.
>
>
>
>In article <396C1041...@yourewrong.com>,
> ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wizard wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:11:45 GMT, "Babe Lust" <blu...@earthlink.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >I agree. CBS does a good job to select the clips without bias to
>present
>> > >each daily life as BB is watching. Most people watching the
>livefeed will
>> > >agree. William seems a typical lower class black male. Angry, sour,
>> > >antisocial, anti-nonblack. Arrogant and self-pity at the same time.
>> > >
>> >
>> > You hit it right on the head. And the black bozo in RW is the same
>> > way. What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
>> > enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
>> > accommodate their needs.
>>
>> You totally missed it. And the white people on BB are the same way.
>What is
>> it with these white people - they are the black guy's worst enemies.
>They
>> think the black guy should arrange his life to accommodate their
>needs.
>>
>> Face it. You want a white guy in a black body to be your token black
>guy.
>> You watch "reality," but can't stand a black man being real. You'd
>love it if
>> your black guy came out and said "why wasn't I born white" or "yes
>massa Big
>> Brother I won't pull no mo' pranks."
>>
>> For many black men, racial identity is the most important part of
>their
>> personality, a part a house full of white people often can't
>understand. When
>> they decide not to try to understand, they decide to not to try to
>really know
>> the black man. That doesn't make for a comfortable living atmosphere.
>>
>>
>
>
Bryant Gumby
with that? Is he going to luck out with the law of averages?
It seems more like harassment, than flirting.
He should realize he is becoming an embarrassment.
BG
Serack wrote in message <20000712105448...@ng-co1.aol.com>...
>>>I agree. CBS does a good job to select the clips without bias to present
>>>each daily life as BB is watching. Most people watching the livefeed will
>>>agree. William seems a typical lower class black male. Angry, sour,
>>>antisocial, anti-nonblack. Arrogant and self-pity at the same time.
>>>
>>
>>You hit it right on the head. And the black bozo in RW is the same
>>way. What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
>>enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
>>accommodate their needs.
>>
>>
>
Bryant Gumby
A show with phobics (claustrophobics, et al) and obsessive compulsives would
be novel. Throw in a couple of people with Tourette's Syndrome as well.
BG
TC3 wrote in message <8khsbu$7nt$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
>Hm...maybe they will have spin offs of all white BB and all black BB and
>EVERYONE will be happy, then they can do the Asian BB and the Indian BB and
>then......sigh....
>
>--
>TC3
>"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
> Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
>
>Tremonti/Stapp
><j...@strangelove.bu.edu> wrote in message news:8kh3se$1c2$6...@news3.bu.edu...
>> wrong on all counts.
Bryant Gumby
dancer if all she does is gets tips from ONLY dancing.
When Brittany is punked up with the 5 magenta pony tails, piercings and the
green lipstick, her picture would do a lot of good on a Viagra bottle - AS
AN ANTIDOTE.
BG
Abadah wrote in message ...
>In article <0d5380cc...@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com>,
>tropead...@webtv.net.invalid says...
>> Bruce i have to state i agree Jaime is not all that beautiful. I think
>> what makes her not pageant beautiful is her mouth and chin. Her chin
>> just doesn't look right. She has wonderful hair and eyes but her mouth
>> and chin the shape is a problem. I think she is still extremely
>> attractive but no where near close to Jordan.
>>
>> You really think Brittany is attractive??? I like a more natural look
>> and Brittany lacks that. Her hair is hideous and that ring on her face.
>> Just not my style for looks. Cassandra i agree is very attractive and
>> Jordan is beautiful. Karen is far nicer looking then Brittany.
>>
>> Again all people see beauty in different ways. I just find Brittany not
>> my type.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>How can you say Jordan is attractive?? Like the Black Dude(William) said,
>she is as flat as a board , chest and backside!!!Anyone who says Jordan
>is beautiful should drop his banjo and move away from the Ozark Mountains
>as quickly as possible. Brittany is a chubby mess who loves to
>argue.Jamie on the other hand is a beautiful , soulful , honest lady. I
>think I'm in love!!!!!
Bryant Gumby
BG
Sandy McDermin wrote in message <396BF019...@erols.com>...
>ME wrote:
>>
>> Ze Ninguem wrote:
>>
>> > DBird <nob...@home.com> graciously noted:
>> > > blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
>> >
>> > >> Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
>> > >> all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
>> >
>> > > Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To
me she
>> > > comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State
can do,
>> > > then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like. (Bow
Wow)
>> >
>> > Hear hear! She's hideous! Somebody I was watching it with today said
>> > she looked like a scary puppet.
>> >
>>
>> Porcelain doll comes to mind, but I like scary puppet better. It's sad
that the
>> beauty queen is the least attractive woman on the show and the women on
the show
>> aren't that great.
>
>
>Well, the men are flipping my light switch either.
>
>
>> Jordan and Brittany are attractive, but not incredible.
>> Karen is a nice looking woman and was probably a trophy wife. Cassandra
is an
>> attractive woman with a very nice look and demeanor.
>
>Sandy
Matt Ottinger
satisp...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > The only drawback, of course, is that, as the first one kicked out,
> > > he'll get to make all the talk show rounds before the novelty wears
> > > off.
> >
> > They may be under a gag order until the show is completed or is
> > cancelled, similar to Survivor.
>
> that makes sense.
Actually, no it doesn't. Unlike "Survivor", "Big Brother" is essentially a
real-time program. Once a player is out of the house, nothing he or she
says gets back inside, and there's nothing anyone could say that would spoil
the outcome since the rest hasn't happened yet. CBS is probably COUNTING ON
a big media interest in interviewing the first few out of the house.
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
TC3
then if they did, they would never leave.
--
TC3
"Can you take me higher, to a place where blind men see.
Can you take me higher, to a place with golden streets."
Tremonti/Stapp
"Bryant Gumby" <bGu...@gbhc.org> wrote in message
news:Zx6b5.55082$NP5.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Matt Ottinger
fut...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I completly agree with you. It's as if being black is somehow
> interpreted as a rejection of standard culture. It's the train of
> thought that governs passive racism, an affliction on the white psyche.
> I agree with William. I happen to find him the most interesting and
> appealing facet of this otherwise mundane and thoroughly boring show.
> Fuck the white people if they can't relate.
A promo during "Survivor" showed William telling Jordan that he thinks the
housemates will pick him and Cassandra on the first ballot. Cassandra is
just about the most pleasant, quiet and non-threatening person in the
house. There seems to be only one reason that William thinks he and
Cassandra would be targeted, and I think that says more about his attitude
than anything else I've seen him do or say yet.
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
ME
Matt Ottinger wrote:
Actually, I think he said that because everyone else had a few people who
definitely wouldn't nominate them. Little groups have formed.
His logic was probably this:
People who wouldn't vote against them besides him:
William - Jordan
Jordan - all the guys except Eddie and the girls, esp. Jamie
Brittany - everybody because she's the focus of most of the group action
Jamie - all the guys and Jordan
Karen - Eddie and George
Eddie - George and Karen
George - Karen and Eddie
Curtis - Jamie and everybody else because he's so nice
Josh - ???
Cassandra - ???
His thinking probably changed after the truth or dare revealed attractions and
Josh's admiration for Cassandra. He's likely thinking he and Jordan are the
biggest targets because the guys aren't as smitten by her as he thought.
>
> --Matt
> otti...@acd.net
teal
I agree. Cassandra and Curtis are the nicest ppl in the house.
It maybe a blessing for them to get voted out first. The longer they
stay on, greater chances of their reputation going down the toilet.
So far, they seem to have clean slate.
Curtis seems to have photographic memory. I like these 2 alot. They
are both reserved and don't reveal everything at once and then revel
on it for hours end.
Teal
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:43:10 -0400, Matt Ottinger <otti...@acd.net>
wrote:
>
>A promo during "Survivor" showed William telling Jordan that he thinks the
>housemates will pick him and Cassandra on the first ballot. Cassandra is
>just about the most pleasant, quiet and non-threatening person in the
>house. There seems to be only one reason that William thinks he and
>Cassandra would be targeted, and I think that says more about his attitude
>than anything else I've seen him do or say yet.
>
>--Matt
>otti...@acd.net
>
Annie RUtahkn2Me
>
>ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>This is the worst one. He came in and threw his stuff down in a bedroom,
>>then the girls ganged up on him and got defensive. The funny thing is they
>>probably chose it because it was in "girl colors" (red/pink) and the other
>>one was blue. I don't know why William gets blamed for this one. Oh.
>>Yeah I do. He's singled out.
>
> That's bullshit. There are 5 women, 5 men, 2 bedrooms. On the very
>first night, less than an hour after you first met a bunch of strangers,
>only an idiot would think that the rooms weren't going to be Boy Room / Girl
>Room. Yes, his stuff was in there first, but all five girls showed up
>in the doorway together and it was pretty damn evident that that room was
>going to be the Girl Room. So, either he could gracefully get his ass out,
>or all five women could have gone to the other room and kicked out the other
>four men. Which option makes more sense?
> Instead of being graceful and light about it, he starts trying to
>get in their pants. (Yes, that's how women feel about men trying to
>worm their way into their bedroom!) He starts playing that mack daddy crap,
>when it's obvious the women don't intend on sleeping with men on the first
>night. While I would have given him one question about "Are we sure we want
>to segregate?", because it's a valid question, he pushed it for too long,
>to the point that I found him creepy.
>
Megalomaniac Will IS creepy. Very creepy.
He has no sense or concern for other people's physical and emotional
boundaries. He invades everyone's personal space.
He regards the women strictly as sexual objects. The only reason he pays any
attention to them is to try to get them in the sack.
The man's a complete phony.
Annie RU
JVV4sm
thread.
JVV4sm
>divided racially. I never said race wasn't important to other ethnic groups.
>The discussion was only about black and white people. Race is pretty much
>important to everybody but white people.
To add to the sweeping generalizations about race, I know many whites who are
VERY passionate about being Italian, Irish, German, etc, but that doesn't
count.
>Unfortunately, white is seen as the
>neutral and everybody else has color.
>
>>
ME
JVV4sm wrote:
> >I just said the group tends to dominate and it stands out more when it is
> >divided racially. I never said race wasn't important to other ethnic groups.
> >The discussion was only about black and white people. Race is pretty much
> >important to everybody but white people.
>
> To add to the sweeping generalizations about race, I know many whites who are
> VERY passionate about being Italian, Irish, German, etc, but that doesn't
> count.
That's not race, that's ethnicity. I can't look at someone and tell they are
Irish or Italian or whatnot. Race is skin color and physical features. Race is
an arbitrary biological construct with social implications. White people aren't
big on being white. Only when they are the minority does it matter.
JVV4sm
>
>> >I just said the group tends to dominate and it stands out more when it is
>> >divided racially. I never said race wasn't important to other ethnic
>groups.
>> >The discussion was only about black and white people. Race is pretty much
>> >important to everybody but white people.
>>
>> To add to the sweeping generalizations about race, I know many whites who
>are
>> VERY passionate about being Italian, Irish, German, etc, but that doesn't
>> count.
>
>That's not race, that's ethnicity. I can't look at someone and tell they are
>Irish or Italian or whatnot.
It's doable; you're just being lazy.
> Race is skin color and physical features. Race
>is
>an arbitrary biological construct with social implications. White people
>aren't
>big on being white. Only when they are the minority does it matter.
All of them.
ME
JVV4sm wrote:
>
> >That's not race, that's ethnicity. I can't look at someone and tell they are
> >Irish or Italian or whatnot.
>
> It's doable; you're just being lazy.
>
Funny. I can sometimes, but since European immigrants assimilated so well and
their is no stigma between intra-European interethnic marriage.
You're making lazy points. Race is an important social construct that has been a
primary divider in this country since 1492. If you have dark skin you can't blend
in like someone who's ethnic heritage spans everything west of Asia.
John Sergent
>
> blake <ha...@walnet.net> wrote in article ...
>
> > Personally, I hope the beauty queen wins it
> > all. She's gorgeous and unpretentious.
>
> Really? Those are the last two words I would use to describe her. To me she
> comes across as very fake. And if she is the best Washington State can do,
> then I'd hate to see what their run-of-the-mill girls look like. (Bow Wow)
Perhaps their other girls look fine, but the judge(s) of the contest had
an unusual sense of what beauty is.
--
"Just because the cat has kittens in the oven doesn't make them biscuits"
John Sergent
>
> Shhhhh! We don't want anyone else in the country to know how beautiful our
> women are...that's why we send woofers like Jamie out there to represent our
> state! We have enough people realizing that Washington is the greatest
> state in the union and moving here...last thing we need is for more folks to
> know how hot the fairer sex is here too!
>
Sure. And there aren't idiot hicks here in Georgia either; we just act
that way in public to scare y'all away.
Angelo Muredda
lol pardon my stupidity
Dan Tropea <tropead...@webtv.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <8kgk2n$uhu$1...@news.gate.net>, "jprhedd" <lsm...@gate.net>
> wrote:
> > William is an unpleasant person. He appears >arrogant, uninformed and
> > antagonistic. I doubt whether CBS created his
>
> I do not think they created this persona either but they do appear to
> be showing him the most and showing what seems to just be horrible
> moments he has with the other residents.
>
> Based on what i have read in RAT he does not seem to have only these
> really awful moments. Yet CBS only appears to show him at his worst.
>
> Unless i have been misreading many of the comments in RAT and he really
> is unpleasant.
>
> >persona. Let the
> > chips fall
> > where they may. I, for one, find him obnoxious and >sexist.
>
> Based on what i see on tv yes i agree. I really wish i was watching the
> livefeed.
Angelo Muredda
William is the only guy on this show that is actually real (Cassandra has
her moments too though)
<fut...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ki2q2$kuu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I completly agree with you. It's as if being black is somehow
> interpreted as a rejection of standard culture. It's the train of
> thought that governs passive racism, an affliction on the white psyche.
> I agree with William. I happen to find him the most interesting and
> appealing facet of this otherwise mundane and thoroughly boring show.
> Fuck the white people if they can't relate.
>
>
>
> In article <396C1041...@yourewrong.com>,
> ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Wizard wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:11:45 GMT, "Babe Lust" <blu...@earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I agree. CBS does a good job to select the clips without bias to
> present
> > > >each daily life as BB is watching. Most people watching the
> livefeed will
> > > >agree. William seems a typical lower class black male. Angry, sour,
> > > >antisocial, anti-nonblack. Arrogant and self-pity at the same time.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You hit it right on the head. And the black bozo in RW is the same
> > > way. What is it with these black guys - they are their own worst
> > > enemies. They think everyone else should arrange their lives to
> > > accommodate their needs.
> >
> > You totally missed it. And the white people on BB are the same way.
> What is
Angelo Muredda
Matt Ottinger <otti...@acd.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> fut...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > I completly agree with you. It's as if being black is somehow
> > interpreted as a rejection of standard culture. It's the train of
> > thought that governs passive racism, an affliction on the white psyche.
> > I agree with William. I happen to find him the most interesting and
> > appealing facet of this otherwise mundane and thoroughly boring show.
> > Fuck the white people if they can't relate.
>
Angelo Muredda
ME <imr...@yourewrong.com> wrote in message
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