Jewish TV Characters
Diane V. Wilkerson-nscst-tnt
Whitney Pape <wdp...@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu> wrote:
>Rob Wellen (rwe...@haverford.edu) wrote:
>> This is the best list my roomate and I could come up with. It is very
>> weak. Also a list of Jewish leading characters was included to show how
>> rarely Jewish people are portrayed on TV. Pretty sad, Huh?
>
>You're missing my favorite: Joel Fleischman from Northern Exposure,
>played by Rob Morrow.
Judith Ivey's character in "The Five Mrs. Buchannans" is also Jewish. During
their holiday episode, she made a point of exclaiming her annoyance that
the Buchannan family made a big fuss over Christmas, while ignoring
Hanukah. At the end of the show, her mother-in-law lit a Menorah as a
gesture of acceptance.
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sit-com characters were the nerdy, geeky, or fat friends.
weak. Also a list of Jewish leading characters was included to show how
rarely Jewish people are portrayed on TV. Pretty sad, Huh?
Nerdy, fat or geeky Jews:
Natalie: The Facts of Life (Mindy Cohen)
Robbie Jason: Diff'rent Strokes (Steven Mond) NOTE: Aunt Sophia was played
by Dody Goodman, but was not Jewish on the show, although she was Jewish in
real life.
Eli: It's Your Move (Adam Sadowsky) ( NBC '84-'85, starring Jason Bateman
and Garrett Morris)
Sonny Mann (nee Manishewitz): ABC's It's a Living (long lived in
syndication), (Paul Kreppel)
The Results of our Poll:
Johnathon Maxwell: Gimme a Break (Johnathon Silverman)
Sydney Shorr: Love, Sydney (Tony Randall)
Paul Buchman: Mad About You (Paul Reiser)
Michael Taylor: My Two Dads (Paul Reiser)
Jackie Fisher: Chicken Soup (Jackie Mason)
Marty Gold: Anything But Love (Richard Lewis)
Richard Lewis: Fox's Daddy Dearest with Don Rickles
Jerry Seinfeld: Seinfeld
Juan Epstein: Welcome Back, Kotter
Murray the Dog: Mad About You
Reuben the Dog: Duet
*Brooklyn Bridge (CBS '91 - 92) was the one series about Jewish people we
could find. Characters included the Silver and Burger families.
Can any of think of anyother loser Jewish friends or jewish leading actors?
E-mail with reactions and additions. By the way, I'm Jewish and this list
is not meant to be offensive. I hope you can add to our list.
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Rob Wellen <rwe...@haverford.edu> wrote:
>A while ago, some friends and were discussing the fact that most Jewish
>sit-com characters were the nerdy, geeky, or fat friends.
>
>
>The Results of our Poll:
>Johnathon Maxwell: Gimme a Break (Johnathon Silverman)
>Sydney Shorr: Love, Sydney (Tony Randall)
>Paul Buchman: Mad About You (Paul Reiser)
>Michael Taylor: My Two Dads (Paul Reiser)
>Jackie Fisher: Chicken Soup (Jackie Mason)
>Marty Gold: Anything But Love (Richard Lewis)
>Richard Lewis: Fox's Daddy Dearest with Don Rickles
>Jerry Seinfeld: Seinfeld
>Juan Epstein: Welcome Back, Kotter
>Murray the Dog: Mad About You
>Reuben the Dog: Duet
>*Brooklyn Bridge (CBS '91 - 92) was the one series about Jewish people we
>could find. Characters included the Silver and Burger families.
>
>Can any of think of anyother loser Jewish friends or jewish leading actors?
Well, I think that Fran Drescher's character on _The Nanny_ is supposed
to be Jewish (while not a loser, she's certainly nosey and braying);
and I thought that Jen Aniston's character, Rachel Green, on _Friends_
was also supposed to be Jewish (she'd be a perfect example of the JAP
stereotype, I think: spoiled and rich and often self-centered).
I can't think of any shows featuring a Jewish family, or any other
characters off-hand, but there's always Billy Crystal (who makes an
interesting contrast to Jackie Mason, I think, in the range of
Jewish performers who also do comedy routines based on Jewish
stereotypes--personally, I hate Jackie Mason, who has always seemed
like he was making fun of Jews for the enjoyment of non-Jews specifically;
I like Billy Crystal, though, whose imitations have always seemed somewhat
more directed toward insiders as well as outsiders. But maybe that's
just me :)
There was once a segment on _Unsolved Mysteries_ featuring an Orthodox
rabbi who'd swindled several banks and disappeared, but not before
using much of the money to help his community (religious fanatacism?
money-grubbing Jews? With _Unsolved Mysteries_, it's likely that these
phobic stereotypes were indeed meant to be invoked).
That's all I can think of at the moment :)
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Well, there's the "Commish's" wife--Rachel Scali. She's not "fat,
geeky, a nerd, or a loser."
But then again, here we got a Greek playing an Italian. A Puerto Rican
playing a Jew, and a white kid playing _their_ kid. I like the show a
lot, though--no disrespect intended. (Please insert the adjective
-American, where appropriate).
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Mark Susskind
> Hope I'm not barging in but this is a very nice article....which brings me
> to my question about Brooklyn Bridge....is on anywhere....????? I loved that
Check listings for Bravo in your favorite source for television schedules.
Sara Plante
>A while ago, some friends and were discussing the fact that most Jewish
>sit-com characters were the nerdy, geeky, or fat friends.
>This is the best list my roomate and I could come up with. It is very
>weak. Also a list of Jewish leading characters was included to show how
>rarely Jewish people are portrayed on TV. Pretty sad, Huh?
>
>Can any of think of anyother loser Jewish friends or jewish leading actors?
> E-mail with reactions and additions. By the way, I'm Jewish and this list
>is not meant to be offensive. I hope you can add to our list.
You forgot one of my favorite characters on television today:
Douglas Wambaugh on Picket Fences (played by Fyvush Finkel)
Sara
Sheree Angelque Strawbridge
hilarious character on Saturday Night Live.
Jennifer Newburg
spi...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (S. Pines) writes:
>
>In article <rwellen-28...@s161.northdorms.haverford.edu>,
>Rob Wellen <rwe...@haverford.edu> wrote:
>>A while ago, some friends and were discussing the fact that most
Jewish
>>sit-com characters were the nerdy, geeky, or fat friends.
>>
In the sitcom, "Something Wilder", the lead character (played by Gene
Wilder) is something-or-other Bergman, but I think he's given up his
religion...does this count?
Also on Friends, besides jennifer aniston's character (already mentioned
by another poster), Ross and Monica are probably Jewish, too.
Jennifer
btw, I've wondered about this one myself!
CEC
Hope I'm not barging in but this is a very nice article....which brings me
to my question about Brooklyn Bridge....is on anywhere....????? I loved that
show..still do, I couldn't believe they took it off the air...anyway if you
know the whereabouts of this wonderful family show please let me know...
Thank you
Christine
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spi...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (S. Pines) wrote:
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Whitney Pape
> Can any of think of anyother loser Jewish friends or jewish leading actors?
> E-mail with reactions and additions. By the way, I'm Jewish and this list
> is not meant to be offensive. I hope you can add to our list.
Thought of some more old friends in the shower this morning: Michael and
Melissa Stedman from thirtysomething, actors Ken Olin and Melanie Mayron.
Whether or not you think they're annoying depends on whether or not you
think the show is annoying.
Jeff Schwartz
>to be Jewish (while not a loser, she's certainly nosey and braying);
Her parents are certainly annoying.
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What's his name: Seinfeld
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Whitney Pape
> This is the best list my roomate and I could come up with. It is very
> weak. Also a list of Jewish leading characters was included to show how
> rarely Jewish people are portrayed on TV. Pretty sad, Huh?
You're missing my favorite: Joel Fleischman from Northern Exposure,
played by Rob Morrow.
Rob Wellen
rwe...@haverford.edu (Rob Wellen) wrote:
> A while ago, some friends and were discussing the fact that most Jewish
> sit-com characters were the nerdy, geeky, or fat friends.
> This is the best list my roomate and I could come up with. It is very
> weak. Also a list of Jewish leading characters was included to show how
> rarely Jewish people are portrayed on TV. Pretty sad, Huh?
>
> Nerdy, fat or geeky Jews:
I can't believe that I forgot the best geek of all. The lovable Paul
Pfeiffer on ABC's "The Wonder Years," played by Paul Saviano. Paul seems
to be Italian in real life, but was Bar Mitzvahed on the show. Paul seemed
to be a geek, but was one of the finest TV characters of recent times. I
feel so stupid since "The Wonder Years" is my favorite show.
One other thought, on Diff'rent Strokes in the mid-1980s, Robby Jason was
Bar Mitzvahed. Milton Berle was a Rabbi on this show. Arnold decided he
wanted to be Jewish. He wore a Yarmulka and everything. It was one of the
funniest shows I have ever seen. Anyone else remember this one? Can I get
a copy of it any where?
Thanks and look for an updated list in the near future. The response has
been overwhelming. Perhaps we should start a new group, rec.arts.tv.Jewish
TV.
Don Weinman
writes:
>
>Francis,
>
> Hope I'm not barging in but this is a very nice article....which
brings me
>to my question about Brooklyn Bridge....is on anywhere....????? I loved
that
>show..still do, I couldn't believe they took it off the air...anyway if
you
>know the whereabouts of this wonderful family show please let me
know...
>
>Thank you
>
>Christine
It is being re-run on (I think) Cable. Try A&E or Lifetime.
DPW
Don Weinman
(Whitney Pape) writes:
Glad someone mentioned it before I could. Joel was certainly the most
authentic New York Jewish male ever created for TV. Paul Reiser is next.
DPW
Jennifer Newburg
And of course, Miles Silverberg on Murphy Brown.
Matt Friedman
spi...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (S. Pines) wrote:
>
> Well, I think that Fran Drescher's character on _The Nanny_ is supposed
> to be Jewish (while not a loser, she's certainly nosey and braying);
> and I thought that Jen Aniston's character, Rachel Green, on _Friends_
> was also supposed to be Jewish (she'd be a perfect example of the JAP
> stereotype, I think: spoiled and rich and often self-centered).
>
> I can't think of any shows featuring a Jewish family, or any other
> characters off-hand, but there's always Billy Crystal (who makes an
> interesting contrast to Jackie Mason, I think, in the range of
> Jewish performers who also do comedy routines based on Jewish
> stereotypes--personally, I hate Jackie Mason, who has always seemed
> like he was making fun of Jews for the enjoyment of non-Jews specifically;
> I like Billy Crystal, though, whose imitations have always seemed somewhat
> more directed toward insiders as well as outsiders. But maybe that's
> just me :)
>
>
While Idon't think the NANNY is any great shakes, I rather like Fran
Drescher and her character. ALthough the character is sort of a "stage
jew" on one hand, on the other hand she't not the spoiled "JAP" they often
stick women characters with. She's funny, she's fun, she's actually a nice
person, and the kids love her. SHe kind of reminds me of one of my
sister's friends.
As for Jackie Mason and that show CHICKEN SOUP, I quote MAD magazine:
"We've suffered for 5000 years, what's another half an hour?"
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No, it's on Bravo but they may have finished the run-through by now.
Julie
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Roseanne is Jewish on, I think, her father's side. She mentioned this
in the episode where D.J. found religion.
And, of course, real-life Roseanne is Jewish.
Julie
Joan Fechter
: Roseanne is Jewish on, I think, her father's side. She mentioned this
: in the episode where D.J. found religion.
Chicago Hope: Dr. Aaron Schutt (sp?) is Jewish, although I don't know if
Adam Arkin is (probably is).
Did anyone mention Rhoda Morgenstern?
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stephanides adam l
(as stated in the episode in which Wojciehowicz wants to date
Barney's daughter). And there was also Bernie on "Bridget Loves
Bernie" (don't know the actor's name).
--Adam
Kim Leburg
show through all the episodes and then take it off the air - they've done
this twice in the last year. It was on a few weeks ago and I went to watch
one night and it was replaced...
One of the few shows that made be think, laugh and cry ..
I find it truly amazing that people complain that there is nothing family
oriented on TV and then when the networks try, no one watches. Oh well,
that's why I watch reruns on cable :)...
>
> Francis,
>
> Hope I'm not barging in but this is a very nice article....which brings me
> to my question about Brooklyn Bridge....is on anywhere....????? I loved that
> show..still do, I couldn't believe they took it off the air...anyway if you
> know the whereabouts of this wonderful family show please let me know...
>
> Thank you
>
> Christine
>
>
Kim Leburg
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West Lafayette IN 47907-1310
Jennifer Newburg
>
>
>Well, there's the "Commish's" wife--Rachel Scali. She's not "fat,
>geeky, a nerd, or a loser."
>
>But then again, here we got a Greek playing an Italian. A Puerto Rican
>playing a Jew, and a white kid playing _their_ kid. I like the show a
>lot, though--no disrespect intended. (Please insert the adjective
>-American, where appropriate).
>
What about Ed Marinaro playing Mitch on Sisters (well, not any more I
guess) There was one episode where he said, "Hey, I'm a Jew not an
Italian!"
David E Romm
> A while ago, some friends and were discussing the fact that most Jewish
> sit-com characters were the nerdy, geeky, or fat friends.
A few not mentioned so far...
Stewart on LA Law.
Worf on Star Trek: The Next Generation (sort of... but definately neither
nerdy, geedy nor fat...)
Ivana on Babylon 5 (ditto)
Um, the traffic manager on Double Rush
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woman). My most detested portrayals of sitcom Jews include - Gladys Kravitz
of Bewitched, the fat kid on Brother Jake (just in case any was couldn't
figure out his ethnicyt, they make a big deal of him having a Bar Mitzvah),
Rhoda Morganstern's mother (Rhoda was OK, too bad she was intended as a foil
to Mary), Judy on Welcome Back Kotter, the Mealnie Mayron character on 30
something 0 - (she was OK in and of herself, she was portrayed as a loser
overall). My favorite sitcome Jewish portrayls ih include - Crusty the Clown,
(Simpsons), Lilith (Cheers), Stretch Cunningham (All in the Family), Barney
Miller, Mrs. B. Miller, and their kids. If you like Jewish tribi (di make that
TRIVIA - I will be posting my second annual Jewish Celebrity Trivia LIst on
soc.culture.jw (boy I'm not in control of my fingers today) make that
soc.culture.jewish some time tomorrow. You can add to my ls list if you
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Marie played on The Dick van Dyke show? Wasn't Fish (played by Abe
Vigoda) on Barney Miller Jewish? How about on that other cop show, Car 54
Where Are You?
Irene J. Sorokolit
Hilarious episode when his son Jeremy is investigating religion (Mom
Judith is Episcopal) and there's a Passover/Easter meal which ends up
being a battle between the Jews and Gentiles. It had me ROTFL.
Irene
Joshua Tarplin
wrote:
> And there was also Bernie on "Bridget Loves
>Bernie" (don't know the actor's name).
His name was David Birney (by coincidence) and he became the real-life
husband of Meredith Baxter (later to become Meridith Baxter-Birney,
and then Meridith Baxter again after they divorced).
Joshua
chakravorty bonnie jean
Diamond (the original Selma on night court), I saw no evidence on the Dick
Van Dyke show to suggest that Sally was supposed to be Jewish. Buddy Sorrell
on the other hand.... (down to his show girl wife Pickles). BTW, did you
know that Carl Reiner originally intended the show to be about a Jewish comedy
writer, but the powers that be vetoed the idea (people wouldn't beleive a Jewish
comedy writer????). I think Dick Van Dyke may have done some funny things but I
didn;t think he was FUNNY. Millie and Jerry Halper were probably supposed to
be Jewsi (another foil to the beautiful, skinny, demure Laura). Characters who
I suspect to be Jewish (altho it was never spelle d out as such) include the
Ted Bessell guy who played both Mary 's boyfriend on MTM, as well as That Girl
Zn Ann Marie; the the Paul Reiser character on anyting Paul Reiser appears in.
I do kind of like the Commish's wife. Cheers!
Matt Ackeret
Don Weinman <dwei...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>It is being re-run on (I think) Cable. Try A&E or Lifetime.
Nope, Bravo.
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: Barney Miller (Hal Linden), on the show of the same name, was Jewish
: Bernie" (don't know the actor's name).
: --Adam
Dr. Aushlander from St. Elsewhere (Norman Lloyd)
Mr. Hooper from Sesame St.
Ivanova from Babylon 5 (Claudia Christian)
Ira from Cybi. Also the character he played on LA
Also from LA LAW -- Stewart Markowitz
Natile on Facts of Life
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Marni L Hager
Paul on the Wonder Years
The family on Brooklyn Bridge
Douglas Wambaugh on Picket Fences
Jerry Seinfeld
Matt Friedman
(chakravorty bonnie jean) wrote:
I agree with you on most of them, except for shows I never saw like MY
BROTHER JAKE. What bothered me on Thirtysomething is that Melanie Mayron
is seen as a loser because she's not married with kids. Why is it so rare
to see a YOUNG jewish mother on TV? Why do they always have to be the
chicken-soup stereotypes like Yenta in FIDDLER ON THE ROOF? ANd I forgot
all about Judy on Welcome Back Kotter, but that show was pretty much an
guy's show anyways, and the female characters on it were pretty dreary.
ca...@lehigh.edu
es adam l) writes:
>Barney Miller (Hal Linden), on the show of the same name, was Jewish
>(as stated in the episode in which Wojciehowicz wants to date
>Barney's daughter). And there was also Bernie on "Bridget Loves
>Bernie" (don't know the actor's name).
--Cheryl
>
>--Adam
>
chakravorty bonnie jean
Fish in some). As a matter of fact, Hal Linden was most adament that the
character he played on Barney Miller should be Jewish (hal was and I assume
still is concerned about h the portrayal of Jews on TV.. I don't know how
he coje comes off on his new show - I never watched it. Max Gail (Wojo) is
Jewish in real life BTW. Trivia question - why didn'ty Barney want Wojo to
go out with his daughter?
Cara Vandy
>In article <rwellen-28...@s161.northdorms.haverford.edu>,
>rwe...@haverford.edu (Rob Wellen) wrote:
>> A while ago, some friends and were discussing the fact that most Jewish
>> sit-com characters were the nerdy, geeky, or fat friends.
>A few not mentioned so far...
>Stewart on LA Law.
Nerdy, geeky and fat
>Worf on Star Trek: The Next Generation (sort of... but definately neither
>nerdy, geedy nor fat...)
Worf ? The character was Klingon, the actor was black. Where does
Judaism fit in?
>Ivana on Babylon 5 (ditto)
>Um, the traffic manager on Double Rush
What's the problem anyway? "Seinfeld" alone makes up for the nerdy Jewish
guy abundance. And even when the Jewish guy on a show is
fat/geeky/nerdy, he still always ends up with a gorgeous, tolerant,
perfect woman. Sounds like a lot of geeky Jewish writers living out
their fantasies to me :)
Cara
chakravorty bonnie jean
for the stereotypical portrayal of Jewish women on TV. (not that I don't like
the Nanny, and I always thought Rhoda was more interesting than Mary), I want
balance!! I'd like to see a nice looking, sassy, spunky, skinny Jei Jewish
woman ge t the guy (Jewish or non-Jewish). The only show I can recall that por
trayed a Jewish girl in a normal ri ligt 9 (and I am literally refering to
girls) was the rabbi's daughter on an episode of the Partirdge Family where Danny pretend to be Jewish to "get thegirl". Ha, ha - but very realistic!
Ronald Oakes
Rob Wellen <rwe...@haverford.edu> wrote:
>A while ago, some friends and were discussing the fact that most Jewish
>sit-com characters were the nerdy, geeky, or fat friends.
>weak. Also a list of Jewish leading characters was included to show how
>rarely Jewish people are portrayed on TV. Pretty sad, Huh?
>
>Natalie: The Facts of Life (Mindy Cohen)
>Robbie Jason: Diff'rent Strokes (Steven Mond) NOTE: Aunt Sophia was played
>by Dody Goodman, but was not Jewish on the show, although she was Jewish in
>real life.
>Eli: It's Your Move (Adam Sadowsky) ( NBC '84-'85, starring Jason Bateman
>and Garrett Morris)
>Sonny Mann (nee Manishewitz): ABC's It's a Living (long lived in
>syndication), (Paul Kreppel)
>
>The Results of our Poll:
>Johnathon Maxwell: Gimme a Break (Johnathon Silverman)
>Sydney Shorr: Love, Sydney (Tony Randall)
>Paul Buchman: Mad About You (Paul Reiser)
>Michael Taylor: My Two Dads (Paul Reiser)
>Jackie Fisher: Chicken Soup (Jackie Mason)
>Marty Gold: Anything But Love (Richard Lewis)
>Richard Lewis: Fox's Daddy Dearest with Don Rickles
>Jerry Seinfeld: Seinfeld
>Juan Epstein: Welcome Back, Kotter
>Murray the Dog: Mad About You
>Reuben the Dog: Duet
>*Brooklyn Bridge (CBS '91 - 92) was the one series about Jewish people we
>could find. Characters included the Silver and Burger families.
I don't know if these are "loser" characters or not, but some additional
characters who are clearly Jewish are:
Miles Silverberg (Executive Producer ) on Murphy Brown
Paul (Kevin's best friend) on The Wonder Years
Rachal and David Scalli (Wife and Son) on the Commish -- and possibly Tony
Scalli too, although he was clearly raised as an Italian Cathloic
Krusty the Clown on the Simpsons (allthough he tries to hide it)
Douglas Waumbugh on Picket Fences
Adam Arkin's character on Chicago Hope.
(Lt.) Cmdr. Susan Ivonva on Babylon 5 (non-practicing)
I'm sure I had thought of a couple of others but forgot them by the time I
got to posting.
In all of the cases listed above, the fact that the character is either
culturely or religous jewish plaied a part in at least one episode.
Ronald B. Oakes
(Sorry about spelling problems. My spell checker is currently on the
blink).
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Then check out Babylon 5. Susan Ivanova seems to fit your needs. They
don't often mention that she's Jewish, but they did an episode ("TKO")
where a rabbi who was a family friend came to the station to get her to sit
shiva for her father.
Maria
CEC
I am going to look for the reruns...that show was one of my favorite
show, I was so disappointed when they took it off the air....!!!
Thanks for the info
Christine
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Hannette Allen
Somebody else has probably said this by now, but how about Dr. Joel Fleischman,
until recently the leading character in Northern Exposure?
Hannette
prm...@lmsmgr.lerc.nasa.gov
Has anyone mention Alex (Judith Ivey's character) on the 5 Mrs.
Buchanens?
Michelle
she stepped out of the framing circle of
and they run the gamut from positive role models to negative stereotypes,
to just plain well-written.
A very partial list,
Susan Ivanova, Babylon5, far from a stereotype of anything, and she is certainly
NOT a stereotype.
Stuart Markowitz, LA LAW, I didn't like him much, but I liked himbetter than
most of the characters on that show.
Joel Fleishman, Northern Exposure
Michael Steadman, 30 something
Melissa Steadman, 30 something
Andrea Zuckerman, BH90210
David Silver, BH90210
Mel Silver, BH90210
Douglas Wambaugh, Picket Fences
Aaron Schott (?), Chicago Hope--I think so anyway
Peter Geiger, Chicago Hope, "You don't like me because I'm Jewish, says Douglas
Wambaugh. "I'm Jewish," says Geiger.
Miles Silverberg, Murphy Brown, hey, I like him, but I think he should have
dated Corkey
Barney Miller, on Barney Miller
Fish (?), on Barney Miller
That's my partial list. Oh and by the way, I meant to say that Ivanova was
certainly not a traffic cop, in response to whoever said that. You can look
at any human flaws in character developement as evidence of prejudice. You
can also make up flaws where there are none. Calling Ivanova a traffic cop
is quite reaching and suggests that the individual neither likes nor watches
Babylon5.
And what do you have against traffic cops, anyway?
:) Claudia
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> Subject: Re: Jewish TV Characters
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jewish characters from the old days. for example, Buddy Sorrell on "The Dick
Van Dyke Show." In one episode, he had a belated bar mitzvah. That, to my
knowledge, was the first time on TV a character was allowed to be openly
jewish. It was also, I believe, Buddy's jewishness was ever discussed on the
show. In 1970, the "Mary Tyler Moore Show" debuted with Valerie Harper
playing, I think, the first truly open jewish character. Her Judaism was often
the subject of discussion on that show.
Christopher Simmons
Is the woman in the Gramercy Press Commercials and the Savanne Pants
commercial (you know the one where she wrinkles up the picture of her
beau and it gets all uncrinkled).....is this the same woman? What is her
name?
AND
Whatever happened to Solei Moon Frye?? Spelling?
Christy
: Whatever happened to Solei Moon Frye?? Spelling?
She guest starred on an episode of Saved by the Bell about 3 years ago as a
rich snob from Beverly Hills (not that everyone from B.H. is rich or a snob,
that just happened to be the role she played) -- anyway she looked totally
different than Punky Brewster (a lot older, and definitely not so skinny)
That's the only time I've seen her recently.
Apparently she has also been in the following movies in the past couple of
years (from Cardiff's Movie Database)
Pumpkinhead II, Blood Wings (1994) (Marcie)
St. Tammany Miracle, The (1994) (with Mark-Paul Gosselaar, Zack from Saved)
Summertime Switch (1994) (TV)
Liars' Club, The (1993) 1993 [Gigi]
Personally I've never heard of any of these movies. Doesn't look good for her
career.
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Christy
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Scott Hollifield
the medical disorder she suffers from (oversized breasts). As I recall,
she had reduction surgery at one point, but she's still way over-developed
for being sixteen years old (which is the age I saw her at, two or three
years ago I think).
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Scott Hollifield * sco...@cris.com * http://www.cris.com/~scotth/
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Tom Walsh
Simmons <csim...@willamette.edu> wrote:
> Is the woman in the Gramercy Press Commercials and the Savanne Pants
> commercial (you know the one where she wrinkles up the picture of her
> beau and it gets all uncrinkled).....is this the same woman? What is her
> name?
>
I believe so. I don't remember her name, but she's been interviewed on
"Entertainment Tonight" or some such show. Next time the MCI commercial is
on, get the e-mail or http address that's shown, and contact them asking about
her name. They've had a huge response to those commercials.
> AND
>
> Whatever happened to Solei Moon Frye?? Spelling?
^^^^^
Soleil
She's still around. She's done voices for Ren&Stimpy. Anyone else have
anything to add?
Tom
Kirsten Larsen
>
>Is the woman in the Gramercy Press Commercials and the Savanne Pants
>commercial (you know the one where she wrinkles up the picture of her
>beau and it gets all uncrinkled).....is this the same woman? What is her
>name?
>
>
>Whatever happened to Solei Moon Frye?? Spelling?
Ms. Moon Frye was on Jenny Jones last week along w/ Eve Plumb,
Emannuel Lewis, Mackenzie Phillips, and the woman who payed Tabitha on
Bewitched." She's done some acting since "Punky Brewster" it seems, but
I don't remember what she said exactly. Some help, aren't I?
-Kirsten
jk4...@albnyvms.bitnet
>It seems there are more Jewish TV Characters than one might have imagined,
>and they run the gamut from positive role models to negative stereotypes,
>to just plain well-written.
>
>A very partial list,
>
>Susan Ivanova, Babylon5, far from a stereotype of anything, and she is certainly
>NOT a stereotype.
>
>Stuart Markowitz, LA LAW, I didn't like him much, but I liked himbetter than
>most of the characters on that show.
>
>Joel Fleishman, Northern Exposure
>
>Michael Steadman, 30 something
>
>Melissa Steadman, 30 something
>
>Andrea Zuckerman, BH90210
>
>David Silver, BH90210
>
>Mel Silver, BH90210
>
>Douglas Wambaugh, Picket Fences
>
>Aaron Schott (?), Chicago Hope--I think so anyway
>
>Peter Geiger, Chicago Hope, "You don't like me because I'm Jewish, says Douglas
>Wambaugh. "I'm Jewish," says Geiger.
>
>Miles Silverberg, Murphy Brown, hey, I like him, but I think he should have
>dated Corkey
>Barney Miller, on Barney Miller
>
>Fish (?), on Barney Miller
>
A few more
Jerry Seinfeld, Seinfeld- I think that they've acknowledged it
Are Ross and Monica from Friends Jewish cause Geller is a Jewish last name
Jer
chakravorty bonnie jean
sterotypical. Mea (make that Melanie) Mayron et al. on 30 Something? But of course! Miles and the o two Jewish men who were Murphy's lovers are also sterotypes.
What I"D LOVE to see would be an episode where Corky's Jeiw (oops) Jewish
origins are revealed - and why not? if the movie star on Gilligan's Island
(not the character, the actreess) could be Jewish, why not Corky? Do you think tory Spelling has (had) anything to do with the characterizations on 90210?
If so - good going gal.
Marni L Hager
: Jerry Seinfeld, Seinfeld- I think that they've acknowledged it
: Are Ross and Monica from Friends Jewish cause Geller is a Jewish last name
: Jer
Can you please explain to me how you came to this conclusion? The only
name that I know of that is Jewish no matter what is Cohen. Most other
"Jewish" names are of other origins, such as German. Just curious as
to why you think this.
The Chiropteran
learsy
last name
>
only
> name that I know of that is Jewish no matter what is Cohen. Most
other
> "Jewish" names are of other origins, such as German. Just curious as
> to why you think this.
>
> The Chiropteran
>
I think saying a name is Jewish does not mean that it necessarily had
its origins in biblical times. I think when every person you've ever
met or heard about named Goldberg, for example, is Jewish, that would be
considered 'Jewish' to me. As for the Gellers on friends, I would think
its implicit that they are half-Jewish, if you've seen their parents on
the show -- Elliott Gould is Mr. Geller (very Jewish-ish), the head
nurse from St. Elsewhere (I forget her name) is Mrs. Geller (very
goy-ish). That would explain Ross's Jewish-ishness and Monica's
goyishness.
Speaking of other Jewish characters, on Seinfeld, we can safely assume
Jerry is supposed to be Jewish on the show, but they play it down.
George and his parents (oy guvalt) are very Jewish, but Costanza (??).
Kramer could be a Jewish name but I don't think he's supposed to be
Jewish. And Elaine Benis (could be a Jewish name) acts very Jewish-ish,
except once when she was on a plane and a kosher meal was brought to her
and she said "what's that?"
Happy end of Pesah, bubalas.
Learsy
she stepped out of the framing circle of
>What I"D LOVE to see would be an episode where Corky's Jeiw (oops) Jewish
>origins are revealed - and why not? if the movie star on Gilligan's Island
>(not the character, the actreess) could be Jewish, why not Corky? Do you think tory Spelling has (had) anything to do with the characterizations on 90210?
did not know Tina Louise's character on Gilligan was Jewish. Pretty good.
However I don't necessarily agree that most of my list were stereotypes.
Do you really think Fleishman and Miles Silverberg are both stereotypes.
I don't. I find them both to be flawed human beings and well-drawn
characters. It's true that you know that they are Jewish, but that doesn't
make them inherently stereotypical. I think you could even argue that
the BH90210 characters, at least Andrea and David are also stereotypical.
(The nerdy good student, and the unpopular geek. They grow out of it
though, but perhaps into other stereotypes.) In any case I would
prefer to watch Joel and Miles than Andrea and David, and I would
prefer to be represented by them as well.
I'm not so sure about Melissa Steadman. I've never seen anything
stereotypical about her being Jewish. About her "singleness,"
perhaps but not about her backround.