Sitcoms scandals Gilligan's Island - anyone watch?
Dan Tropea
Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
the head honcho's wife loved that show?
2) Bob Denver came off like a sleeze. Did anyone else get the
impression. Insisting that Tina Louise had sex daily in her dressing
room and that you needed to read his book to find out.
3) Its amazing that Jerry Van Dyke was up for the role of Gilligan yet
he turned it down for My Mother The Car? Yet Jerry Van Dyke's career
wasn't great but with Coach he did almost always steal every scene. Yet
Bob Denver's career really went nowhere after Gilligan's Island.
4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
what she actually is. While Tina Louise just looked like age wasn't all
that kind to her looks. Louise just seemed to have bitterness about her
while Wells was so upbeat and positive. Yet career wise neither did much
after the show.
5) Schwartz came across as a likable sort. He
seemed to love telling the old stories about the series. I thought the
Well's belly button story was a riot.
I do not know why people think it was a bad show. As a child i thought
it was a riot and when i have caught episodes recently i thought there
was a sweet naive innocence to the show.
I did miss the last segment why didn't Tina Louise do the reunions? Her
career already was basically as bad as Wells was. Yet she choose not to.
G. M. Lupo
> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
Yes. I watched it.
> 2) Bob Denver came off like a sleeze. Did anyone else get the
> impression. Insisting that Tina Louise had sex daily in her dressing
> room and that you needed to read his book to find out.
Hey, give the guy a break. He needs to score.
> 3) Its amazing that Jerry Van Dyke was up for the role of Gilligan yet
> he turned it down for My Mother The Car? Yet Jerry Van Dyke's career
> wasn't great but with Coach he did almost always steal every scene.
> Yet Bob Denver's career really went nowhere after Gilligan's Island.
The show would have been much different with Jerry Van Dyke as Gilligan,
Carroll O'Conner as the skipper, Dabney Coleman as the Professor and
Raquel Welsh as Mary Ann. And Bob Denver might have eventually starred
in Coach. As for Denver, he was already fairly well known as Maynard G.
Krebs, so in a way he was lucky to have overcome that type-casting to
get the part of Gilligan.
> 4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
> what she actually is. While Tina Louise just looked like age wasn't
> all that kind to her looks. Louise just seemed to have bitterness
> about her while Wells was so upbeat and positive. Yet career wise
> neither did much after the show.
Tina Louise has not aged well at all. But Dawn Wells did look great.
How old was she supposed to have been when she was on GI? It's possible
that she could have been in her late teens or early 20s, but still that
would put her in her late 50s or early 60s. If so, she certainly didn't
look it. In a way she looks younger now than she did back then. I
think she's been mainly doing theater and behind the scenes work.
> 5) Schwartz came across as a likable sort. He seemed to love telling
> the old stories about the series. I thought the Well's belly button
> story was a riot.
Wasn't he also responsible for the Brady Bunch?
> I did miss the last segment why didn't Tina Louise do the reunions?
> Her career already was basically as bad as Wells was. Yet she choose
> not to.
Yeah, she kept talking about all the work she was getting after the
series went off, but I have trouble remembering her in anything else.
Maybe she should write a book and talk about all the funny smoke that
used to come from Denver's dressing room.
Matt Lupo
--
G. M. Lupo ham...@lupo.com
David B.
>
> Dan Tropea wrote:
> > 5) Schwartz came across as a likable sort. He seemed to love telling
> > the old stories about the series. I thought the Well's belly button
> > story was a riot.
>
> Wasn't he also responsible for the Brady Bunch?
Yes, he was.
--
Dennis Miller on the Millennium: "Whorin' and warrin' but never borin'."
Lynn
>
>4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
>what she actually is.
I didn't see this particular show, but I had seen the actress (don't have my
browser fired up, and I can't remember her name) who played Elly Mae on The
Beverly Hillbillies on a talk show. She looked awful. An "old" lady in
pigtails, still dressing the part, but not fitting it at all. About a month
later I saw Dawn Wells in an interview - she looked terrific. She's still
cute as a button, and I'd think the two are around the same age. She did a
cute Western Union commercial, and I think was in the Morgan LaFay episode
of GvsE.
Lynn
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Russell Cress
a show you might have heard of, Dallas. She was on the whole first
season.I believe she was the only Gilligan cast member to e in another
hit show, although her total Dallas time was about 8 or 10 episodes.
Dawn Wells, still looks fantastic. When she was on Gilligan I thought
she was the hottest chick ever on TV and she holds up to that very well.
Another amazing thing is in the little regard some stars have for E!.
When they did their True Hollywood Story on Gilligan, Tina Louise wasn't
there, but when TV GUIDE and FOX do the same show, there she is. Same
thing happened with E!'s Partridge Family show. No David Cassidy, but as
soon as VH1 does a Behind the Music, basically covering the exact same
material, there he is.
Either people think E! is lightweight or they are cheap and don't come
up with the bucks.
Dan Tropea wrote:
>
> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
>
> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
> got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
> cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
> the head honcho's wife loved that show?
>
> 2) Bob Denver came off like a sleeze. Did anyone else get the
> impression. Insisting that Tina Louise had sex daily in her dressing
> room and that you needed to read his book to find out.
>
> 3) Its amazing that Jerry Van Dyke was up for the role of Gilligan yet
> he turned it down for My Mother The Car? Yet Jerry Van Dyke's career
> wasn't great but with Coach he did almost always steal every scene. Yet
> Bob Denver's career really went nowhere after Gilligan's Island.
>
> 4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
> what she actually is. While Tina Louise just looked like age wasn't all
> that kind to her looks. Louise just seemed to have bitterness about her
> while Wells was so upbeat and positive. Yet career wise neither did much
> after the show.
>
> 5) Schwartz came across as a likable sort. He
> seemed to love telling the old stories about the series. I thought the
> Well's belly button story was a riot.
>
> I do not know why people think it was a bad show. As a child i thought
> it was a riot and when i have caught episodes recently i thought there
> was a sweet naive innocence to the show.
>
David Johnson
MrCairo
Even as a child, I could never figure out two things:
1. Why did Mr. Howell--millionaire extraordinaire and owner of corporations--go
on a rinky-dink tub like the Minnow? And why would he go with a group
of...ahem, commoners? (Read: non-millionaires.)
2. How did Gilligan keep from being murdered? After all, friendship goes only
so far. <g>
Still, it did have Dawn Wells. That's what kept me coming back.
Regards,
MrC
William December Starr
"Lynn" <ku...@postmark.net> said:
>> 4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
>> what she actually is.
>
> I didn't see this particular show, but I had seen the actress (don't
> have my browser fired up, and I can't remember her name) who played
> Elly Mae on The Beverly Hillbillies on a talk show. She looked awful.
> An "old" lady in pigtails, still dressing the part, but not fitting it
> at all. About a month later I saw Dawn Wells in an interview - she
> looked terrific. She's still cute as a button, and I'd think the two
> are around the same age.
The "Beverly Hillbillies" actress is Donna Douglas. Actors' "official"
dates of birth, especially for women, must always be taken with a bit of
a grain of salt, but according to the IMDb, their birthdates are:
Donna Douglas... 26 September 1939 (current age: 60)
Dawn Wells...... 18 October 1938 (current age: 61)
(The IMDb also says that Douglas' birth name was Doris Smith and that
she was Miss New Orleans in 1957, while Wells was "Miss Nevada/USA" in
1959. When I finally get that damn time machine working, I know one
place I'll be visiting...)
-- William December Starr <wds...@crl.com>
Randy
tro...@webtv.net (Dan Tropea) wrote:
> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
>
> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
> got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
> cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
> the head honcho's wife loved that show?
Why does that shock you? Look at the highly rated (albeit dreck) NBC
has cancelled from the Thurs. 8:30 slot. Well was wrong, they do mess
with and cencel Top 20 shows ( see also NYPD Blue). What gave you the
impression that the honcho's wife loved Gunsmoke, maybe the Professor
saying that?
>
> 2) Bob Denver came off like a sleeze. Did anyone else get the
> impression. Insisting that Tina Louise had sex daily in her dressing
> room and that you needed to read his book to find out.
Give the guy a break. If not for his arrest on marijuana charges a few years
ago, when was the last time you heard about him?
>
> 3) Its amazing that Jerry Van Dyke was up for the role of Gilligan yet
> he turned it down for My Mother The Car? Yet Jerry Van Dyke's career
> wasn't great but with Coach he did almost always steal every scene. Yet
> Bob Denver's career really went nowhere after Gilligan's Island.
>
> 4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
> what she actually is. While Tina Louise just looked like age wasn't all
> that kind to her looks. Louise just seemed to have bitterness about her
> while Wells was so upbeat and positive. Yet career wise neither did much
> after the show.
Well, the age old question of Ginger vs. Mary Anne has been answeed,
at least in my book.
>
> 5) Schwartz came across as a likable sort. He
> seemed to love telling the old stories about the series. I thought the
> Well's belly button story was a riot.
>
> I do not know why people think it was a bad show. As a child i thought
> it was a riot and when i have caught episodes recently i thought there
> was a sweet naive innocence to the show.
>
> I did miss the last segment why didn't Tina Louise do the reunions? Her
> career already was basically as bad as Wells was. Yet she choose not to.
Just one of the long line of actors who made bad career moves because
they didn't want to be stereotyped into a role. Few make it past it and why
not ride the wave while you can?
Michael Ritchie
>
> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
>
> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
> got bumped off like that.
I didn't see the E special, but back then, CBS
was trying to get rid of its "square" reputation,
built on shows like BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, GUNSMOKE,
PETTITCOAT JUNCTION, etc. In an attempt to be "young
and hip," a lot of shows that were still doing well
wound up being taken off the air.
--M.
Elayne Riggs
> 4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
> what she actually is.
I missed the show you're reviewing here, but I've seen Wells in person
(she does the media convention circuit) and she looks fabulous.
- Elayne
John
>career already was basically as bad as Wells was. Yet she choose not to
>4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
>what she actually is. While Tina Louise just looked like age wasn't all
>that kind to her looks. Louise just seemed to have bitterness about her
Well, that should answer that question. (I recall Tina Louise on DALLAS, and
she looked reasonably good looking then. Of course, the first reunion movie
came out then as well...)
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snipped the sound bytes, I thought they were gonna say that Tina Louise and
Bob Denver were having sex... what a rip!
Dawn Wells: still looks great
Tina Louise: girl, time is NOT your friend (but she seemed to think that
she's aged well)
Russell Johnson: food is your friend, but you need to curb the friendship a
little
Bob Denver: 30 years later, he still has the same Gilligan hairstyle, but a
new, (updated?) Gilligan hat
mike
Fight! Skate!
"Dan Tropea" <tro...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27762-387...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
>
> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
> got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
> cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
> the head honcho's wife loved that show?
>
> 2) Bob Denver came off like a sleeze. Did anyone else get the
> impression. Insisting that Tina Louise had sex daily in her dressing
> room and that you needed to read his book to find out.
>
> 3) Its amazing that Jerry Van Dyke was up for the role of Gilligan yet
> he turned it down for My Mother The Car? Yet Jerry Van Dyke's career
> wasn't great but with Coach he did almost always steal every scene. Yet
> Bob Denver's career really went nowhere after Gilligan's Island.
>
> 4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
> what she actually is. While Tina Louise just looked like age wasn't all
> that kind to her looks. Louise just seemed to have bitterness about her
> while Wells was so upbeat and positive. Yet career wise neither did much
> after the show.
>
> 5) Schwartz came across as a likable sort. He
> seemed to love telling the old stories about the series. I thought the
> Well's belly button story was a riot.
>
> I do not know why people think it was a bad show. As a child i thought
> it was a riot and when i have caught episodes recently i thought there
> was a sweet naive innocence to the show.
>
> I did miss the last segment why didn't Tina Louise do the reunions? Her
> career already was basically as bad as Wells was. Yet she choose not to.
>
Matt Ackeret
<zaraath at mindspring dot com> wrote:
>"G. M. Lupo" <ham...@elsinore.lupo.com> wrote:
>> But Dawn Wells did look great. How old was she supposed to have
>> been when she was on GI?
>
>She does look incredible. Mary Anne was always my favorite.
As someone on the show claimed (Bob Denver I think), whenever they have
Ginger vs. Mary Ann polls, Mary Ann wins by 75%. Wow, finally a public poll
where the majority of the people actually give the right answer..
(oh yeah, and Bailey Quarters over Loni Anderson's character too.. though it's
_slightly_ closer there.. At least Loni's character had something going for
her.. Ginger's a complete zero.. Though strangely enough, I don't think
the same about Marilyn Monroe even though Ginger was almost a carbon copy
Marilyn Monroe impression... Though of course Monroe's [character's]
dumb-as-a-rockness was always a turnoff.)
--
mat...@area.com
Dan Tropea
(Matt Ackeret) wrote:
>(oh yeah, and Bailey Quarters over Loni Anderson's character
>too.. though it's_slightly_ closer there.. At least Loni's
>character had something going for
Oh my god Matt!!!! Loni Anderson was incredible. She seemed to be
the antiMonroe the same type of beauty but with brains although
also like Monroe i always got the impression that she was a nice
and sweet person.
I remember thinking what a jerk Burt Reynolds was for dumping
her.
>her.. Ginger's a complete zero.. Though strangely enough, I
>don't think
Ginger was almost a complete zero. Tina Louise was attractive
but she always gave the impression that looks was who she was.
Loni and Monroe were more then just their looks. Even Farrah
Fawcett another actress known for her looks at least she always
seemed like she wanted to be known for her acting skills and not
just her looks.
I think Tina Louise is the classic example of an actress who
relied too much on how they looked and didn't try to back
with something more.
>the same about Marilyn Monroe even though Ginger was almost a
>carbon copy
>Marilyn Monroe impression... Though of course Monroe's
>[character's]
>dumb-as-a-rockness was always a turnoff.)
>--
Exactly Matt when we think of Monroe we think of her as more then
just her looks. To me she was a sweet, naive not very bright
person. Although i do think in reality she was probably very
bright.
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What is this, the 'Kick Tina Louise' thread? I
am 45 years old, and I clearly remember that
during the show's original run, Ginger was DA
BOMB. None of us looks the same as we did
thirty-five years ago, and no sixty year old woman
can compete in looks with a girl in her twenties.
Furthermore, every year television (and before it,
movies, stage plays, vaudeville, all the way back
to the Roman Forum) offers up a new crop of young
girls to ogle. Within a few years of their
appearance, 95% of them are yesterday's news;
forgotten, replaced, unemployable. Tina
Louise's youthful performances were entertaining.
If she's made it to however old she is, more power
to her.
Matt Ackeret
Michael Ritchie <mrit...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>Dan Tropea wrote:
>>
>> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
>> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
>>
>> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
>> got bumped off like that.
>
We're talking about a Fox show here.
>was trying to get rid of its "square" reputation,
>built on shows like BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, GUNSMOKE,
>PETTITCOAT JUNCTION, etc. In an attempt to be "young
>and hip," a lot of shows that were still doing well
>wound up being taken off the air.
No, it was hick shows that were cancelled.. gunsmoke isn't a hick show.
--
mat...@area.com
Matt Ackeret
>
>> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
>> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
>>
>> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
>> cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
>> the head honcho's wife loved that show?
>
>has cancelled from the Thurs. 8:30 slot. Well was wrong, they do mess
>with and cencel Top 20 shows ( see also NYPD Blue). What gave you the
But back then, Top 20 shows had HUGE audience percentages compared to
nowadays.
>impression that the honcho's wife loved Gunsmoke, maybe the Professor
>saying that?
It was STATED DIRECTLY ON THE SHOW.
--
mat...@area.com
nerdboy mikey
news:852v2m$c0de$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
For one thing, NOBODY who's 45 yrs old says "da bomb."
Secondly, compared to how Dawn Wells aged, you HAVE to admit that Tina's the
worst of the two.
mike
BTW.... i'm in the 25% (that would've picked Ginger over Maryanne... mmmm
redheads)
MMHUNT13
www.DanaPlatoCult.com
Otha Stubblefield
>I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
>Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
>1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
>got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
>cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
>the head honcho's wife loved that show?
Actually, the honcho himself loved the show!
>2) Bob Denver came off like a sleeze. Did anyone else get the
>impression. Insisting that Tina Louise had sex daily in her dressing
>room and that you needed to read his book to find out.
While I missed that part, I didn't miss the parts where Bob Denver and
Sherwood Schwartz told how Tina was very much the primadonna, coming on
the show with expectations that she would be the star, and making everyone
pay for not giving her that billing.
>3) Its amazing that Jerry Van Dyke was up for the role of Gilligan yet
>he turned it down for My Mother The Car? Yet Jerry Van Dyke's career
>wasn't great but with Coach he did almost always steal every scene. Yet
>Bob Denver's career really went nowhere after Gilligan's Island.
No comment
>4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
>what she actually is. While Tina Louise just looked like age wasn't all
>that kind to her looks. Louise just seemed to have bitterness about her
>while Wells was so upbeat and positive. Yet career wise neither did much
>after the show.
All I can say is YUM!
>5) Schwartz came across as a likable sort. He
>seemed to love telling the old stories about the series. I thought the
>Well's belly button story was a riot.
Catch his Brady Bunch stories, too.
>I do not know why people think it was a bad show. As a child i thought
>it was a riot and when i have caught episodes recently i thought there
>was a sweet naive innocence to the show.
>I did miss the last segment why didn't Tina Louise do the reunions? Her
>career already was basically as bad as Wells was. Yet she choose not to.
Tina would either refuse because she was too....busy, or she would ask for
an exorbitant amount of money to be in it.
Matt Ackeret
NO WAY. As shown in this special, she turned into a VERY creepy looking
woman.. (a very big degradation from how she looked earlier.)
--
mat...@area.com
a.n.n.e.
wrote:
>Actually, at about the time of the re-unions, Tina Louise got a role on
>a show you might have heard of, Dallas. She was on the whole first
>season.I believe she was the only Gilligan cast member to e in another
>hit show, although her total Dallas time was about 8 or 10 episodes.
Oh, I suppose "Far Out Space Nuts" is not considered a "hit!"
aes (well, it was in my circle!)
Brute!
<oooooo...@imtoosexy.com> wrotd:
You could see that in the Western Union commercials she was doing a
few months back. I had to look her up in the IMDB to make sure I
wasn't imagining things and was shocked to see she's 61.
rufie
> >
> >For one thing, NOBODY who's 45 yrs old says "da bomb."
you do if you have 12 year old kids.....sometimes it just slips
out......kinda like a Tourettes tic.
--
"I tried reality once, found it too confining"-Lily Tomlin
Randy
Ackeret) wrote:
> In article <rdowns-0601...@user-2ivea6j.dialup.mindspring.com>,
> Randy <rdo...@pipeline.com> wrote:
> >In article <27762-387...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> >tro...@webtv.net (Dan Tropea) wrote:
> >
> >> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
> >> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
> >>
> >> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
> >> got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
> >> cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
> >> the head honcho's wife loved that show?
> >
> >Why does that shock you? Look at the highly rated (albeit dreck) NBC
> >has cancelled from the Thurs. 8:30 slot. Well was wrong, they do mess
> >with and cencel Top 20 shows ( see also NYPD Blue). What gave you the
>
> But back then, Top 20 shows had HUGE audience percentages compared to
> nowadays.
>
> >impression that the honcho's wife loved Gunsmoke, maybe the Professor
> >saying that?
>
> It was STATED DIRECTLY ON THE SHOW.
Yes I know Matt, my response was sarcasm.
Randy
mmhu...@aol.com (MMHUNT13) wrote:
> What about Dana Plato? She alway's looked great!!
You must be kidding. She looked awful when she started drugging.
Then again, look at the URL you posted.
WayCool Reverend
>2) Bob Denver came off like a sleeze. Did
> anyone else get the impression. Insisting that
> Tina Louise had sex daily in her dressing
> room and that you needed to read his book to
> find out.
Bob Denver came off as a cool guy. He was
honest. You want more info then buy the book.
He also said that he said it was true and Tina
Louise denied it so you could believe who you
want. Sherwood Schwartz himself said that
Tina Louise used to brag about her sex life.
Tina Louise came off to me as someone who
was bitter because she wasn't the star. Tina
Louise isn't good enough to wash Dawn Wells
hair ribbons.
The Way Cool Reverend H. Campbell ULC
"Then I saw that there was a way to Hell
even from the gates of Heaven."
John Bunyan, "The Pilgrim's Progress"
WayCool Reverend
>None of us looks the same as we did thirty-five
> years ago, and no sixty year old woman can
> compete in looks with a girl in her twenties.
From what I saw of Dawn Wells she can
DAMN sure compete with many 20 yr. old girls
today. Hell Ben Franklin in his paper on
selecting a mistress recommended an older
woman over a young woman.
Dawn Wells has aged well and is still as
pretty as I remember her. Tina Louise's problem
is that her looks are shot and she's trying to
look like she did in the 60's and the results
would be laughable if they weren't so pathetic.
WayCool Reverend
>Oh, I suppose "Far Out Space Nuts" is not
> considered a "hit!"
This was one of the greatest Saturday
morning shows ever! The only only show
that can compete is "Sigmund and the Sea
monsters."
Everybody sing!
" We're the farrr out Space Nuts!"
Gary Smith
>
> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
> got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
> cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
> the head honcho's wife loved that show?
>
In the E show previous to the Fox show it was said that "Gunsmoke" was
Bill Paley's (CBS Chairman) favorite show and that's why it was quickly
removed from the cancellation roster (I think this was supposed to be
1968 when "Gilligan" was canceled). I find this account much easier to
believe than the inference that Mr. Paley's wife Barbara "Babe" Paley
favored the show. Babe Paley was the doyen of high style and high
living. Her days revolved around lunches at Le Cirque with Lee Radziwill
and Truman Capote. I cannot picture Babe Paley settling down with Matt
and Miss Kitty after a day of shopping on Fifth Avenue . Sorry but I
think the Professor's memory is clouded with too many Hostess Twinkies.
> 3) Its amazing that Jerry Van Dyke was up for the role of Gilligan yet
> he turned it down for My Mother The Car?
Jerry Van Dyke's association with CBS began in 1963 when he was hired to
act as "second banana" on "The Judy Garland Show". Although it was
painfully clear from the start that JVD was way out of his element on
the prestigious show, CBS insisted on keeping his near-brain dead
character on the show long after he had been broiled in the press. To be
fair, the problem was mostly with the writers but lets just say that JVD
was not a help to the show that CBS was hoping would "knock Bonanza out
of the box". The reason he was kept on the show is that he was being
groomed for a series by Hunt Stromberg, Jr who thought JVD was even more
talented than his brother Dick. Stromberg was a strange sort who kept a
monkey on a leash and insisted on taking his pet along to business
meetings. He had the goods on CBS President, James Aubrey, who enlisted
Stromberg to pay off the hookers he used to beat up during sadistic sex
sessions. Vanity Fair alleges that Aubrey used to keep dogs on the
premises for the purpose of making hookers have sex with them. The
payoff was usually money but in extreme cases (where he left marks) a
new Cadillac was delivered to the injured party by Hunt Stromberg.
Michael Ritchie
>
> "Paper View" <Vi...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> > What is this, the 'Kick Tina Louise' thread? I
> > am 45 years old, and I clearly remember that
> > during the show's original run, Ginger was DA
> > BOMB.
>
Hey, I'm 43 and I say it to my students once
in a while just to keep them on their toes.
> Secondly, compared to how Dawn Wells aged, you HAVE to admit that Tina's the
> worst of the two.
Not to mention Tina's distinct lack of talent.
--M., not necessarily implying that
Dawn Wells is any Meryl Streep herself
Michael Ritchie
>
> In article <3874958A...@columbus.rr.com>,
> Michael Ritchie <mrit...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> >back then, CBS
> >was trying to get rid of its "square" reputation,
> >built on shows like BEVERLY HILLBILLIES, GUNSMOKE,
> >PETTITCOAT JUNCTION, etc. In an attempt to be "young
> >and hip," a lot of shows that were still doing well
> >wound up being taken off the air.
>
> No, it was hick shows that were cancelled.. gunsmoke isn't a hick show.
GUNSMOKE *isn't* any kind of show anymore, so
present tense is not called for here. But
GUNSMOKE did skew older and eventually was
cancelled largely because of that.
--M.
Matt Ackeret
Present tense makes perfect sense for that. Gunsmoke isn't a hick show.
Seinfeld isn't a hick show.
I admit maybe I should have worded some of my post better, but I stand
by what I said -- you were specifically referring to the famous
"CBS cancels highly popular rural shows" incident that happened in the early
70s. (IMDB says "Green Acres", another one of the hick shows, ran from
1965-1971, so I presume the mass killing of hick shows happened in summer
1971, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)
Gunsmoke ran from 1955-1975 (whew!), so wasn't nuked in the same fell swoop
that killed the hick shows.
--
mat...@area.com
Sbee
>
>What is this, the 'Kick Tina Louise' thread? I
>am 45 years old, and I clearly remember that
>during the show's original run, Ginger was DA
>thirty-five years ago, and no sixty year old woman
>can compete in looks with a girl in her twenties.
>movies, stage plays, vaudeville, all the way back
>to the Roman Forum) offers up a new crop of young
>girls to ogle. Within a few years of their
>appearance, 95% of them are yesterday's news;
>forgotten, replaced, unemployable. Tina
>Louise's youthful performances were entertaining.
>If she's made it to however old she is, more power
>to her.
>
>
I agree, I mean look at Farrah Fawcet. Age is a real killer.
Brent McKee
<27762-387...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
Most of the episode was the usual "Diff'rent Strokes" stuff, so you didn't
miss much.
> 1) I was shocked that a show that was doing rather well in the ratings
> got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
> cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
> the head honcho's wife loved that show?
I've read "Reflections in a Bloodshot Eye" which was an late '70s early
'80s "critical" look at CBS. It goes a bit further than that. "Gunsmoke"
had lost in its time slot and been cancelled rather uncerimoniously. Bill
Paley liked "Gunsmoke" which by this time had been on CBS for about 10
years. More to the point he didn't much care for "Gilligan's Island" being
on the so-call Tiffany Network and he _really_ didn't like the show that
was going to be on with it. Finally he thought that he knew what the
American public wanted (and was frequently right!). In short, it wasn't as
simple as Schwartz and company made it seem.
> 2) Bob Denver came off like a sleeze. Did anyone else get the
> impression. Insisting that Tina Louise had sex daily in her dressing
> room and that you needed to read his book to find out.
I don't know about Denver. Tina Louise definitely came off as a sore loser
and a bit of a prima dona, which leads me to think that there has been a
quite real ongoing feud between the two, and between most of the surviving
cast and Ms. Louise. Remember Schwartz's comment about Tina's claims about
her sexual appetite.
> 3) Its amazing that Jerry Van Dyke was up for the role of Gilligan yet
> he turned it down for My Mother The Car? Yet Jerry Van Dyke's career
> wasn't great but with Coach he did almost always steal every scene. Yet
> Bob Denver's career really went nowhere after Gilligan's Island.
Based on what others said about "Gilligan's Island" at the time I can see
him turning the show down. I can't understand why he thought "My Mother The
Car" was better. I think the problem for most of the Gilligan's Island
cast, with the exception of Backus who was an established actor, was that
they were very quickly typecast in their Gilligan roles. Few of them did
anything ousttanding in following years.
> 4) Was it just me or did Dawn Wells look great and much younger then
> what she actually is. While Tina Louise just looked like age wasn't all
> that kind to her looks. Louise just seemed to have bitterness about her
> while Wells was so upbeat and positive. Yet career wise neither did much
> after the show.
Dawn Wells has always looked fabulous. As for Tina Louise's career I think
she's done a number of independent films, most of which seem to be more
arty than popular. BTW have you seen Dawn's commercial for Western Union?
On the last line, I keep thinking "Wrong, she fell for a sailor instead!"
> 5) Schwartz came across as a likable sort. He
> seemed to love telling the old stories about the series. I thought the
> Well's belly button story was a riot.
>
> I do not know why people think it was a bad show. As a child i thought
> it was a riot and when i have caught episodes recently i thought there
> was a sweet naive innocence to the show.
I've always loved the show; there's a subtle undercurrent to it. You could
definitely write some smutty fanfic about it.
> I did miss the last segment why didn't Tina Louise do the reunions? Her
> career already was basically as bad as Wells was. Yet she choose not to.
It was basically explained that Tina kept changing her mind -- one day she
didn't want to do it the next day she did and the day after she didn't. It
got so bad that her own agent dropped her.
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> I did not see the entire episode but i did catch the part about
> Gilligan's Island all except the last segment.
>
> got bumped off like that. I got the impression that Gunsmoke was
> cancelled yet it replaced a show that was doing very well all because
> the head honcho's wife loved that show?
Silly FOX special. Can't they get their details right?
Maybe the "Gilligan's Island" cancellation wasn't fair (what Paley or
Silverman-period CBS ones were?), but there's no denying that "Gunsmoke" got
far higher ratings all eight seasons it spent on Monday than "Gilligan's
Island" did the one season it spent there.
The ideal (depending on your affinity for the show), unbiased situation
would have been to have moved "Gilligan's Island" back to Thursday where it
was a hit in its own right - much unlike the DOA replacements CBS tried
there the two seasons following its move to Monday.
But this is network television. Little is ideal. Nothing is unbiased.
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Elayne Riggs
> In article <852s8j$35re8$1...@rn.area.com>, mat...@vax.area.com
> (Matt Ackeret) wrote:
>>(oh yeah, and Bailey Quarters over Loni Anderson's character
>>too.. though it's_slightly_ closer there.. At least Loni's
>>character had something going for
> Oh my god Matt!!!! Loni Anderson was incredible. She seemed to be
> the antiMonroe the same type of beauty but with brains although
> also like Monroe i always got the impression that she was a nice
> and sweet person.
> I remember thinking what a jerk Burt Reynolds was for dumping
> her.
I think she's a fun actress to watch, but she reminds me a little too
uncomfortably of a Gerry Anderson marionette. (I'm sure Loni and Gerry
aren't related, but it's one of those things that Makes You Wonder.)
- Elayne (Thunderbirds are GO!)
Tiny Dancer
>Russell Johnson: food is your friend, but you need to curb the friendship a little
Now that everyone has trashed Tina Louise, can I have a go at Russell?
What a disappointment he was. I know we've all aged since the series ran
but, man, I used to dream about helping the Prof with his little projects and
together I just *knew* we could build a boat! He was dreamy and groovy
and all those girly words I used to use. I haven't seen Russell for years and
when they showed his mug I nearly scared the heck out of my poor cat by
yelling, "Ewwww!" ;-) Where is it written that only women age like apples left
in the sun too long? I think Russell proves that theory holds for men as well!
Get thee to a gym, babe, or at least get some exercise pushing yourself
away from the dinner table.
Cheers,
TD
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Michael Ritchie
>
> I admit maybe I should have worded some of my post better, but I stand
> by what I said -- you were specifically referring to the famous
> "CBS cancels highly popular rural shows" incident that happened in the early
> 70s. (IMDB says "Green Acres", another one of the hick shows, ran from
> 1965-1971, so I presume the mass killing of hick shows happened in summer
> 1971, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)
>
> Gunsmoke ran from 1955-1975 (whew!), so wasn't nuked in the same fell swoop
> that killed the hick shows.
As others have noted, GUNSMOKE was indeed originally
scheduled for extinction with the "hick"
shows, but was saved due to the intervention
of William Paley. My point remains that
what GUNSMOKE had in common with the
"hick" shows was an aging audience thar
CBS didn't want to court any more. How
times change...
--M.
Lynn
>
>Now that everyone has trashed Tina Louise, can I have a go at Russell?
>What a disappointment he was. I know we've all aged since the series ran
>but, man, I used to dream about helping the Prof with his little projects
>and together I just *knew* we could build a boat!
Me too! I always thought he was so cool. I saw him somewhere within the
last few years and my reaction was the same. In fact, I've noticed that
while women will hit the plastic surgeon and the gym, often male
entertainers just allow themselves to grow old ungracefully.
Robert Wagner comes readily to mind. He was in some TV movie hobnobbing
with a chick about 30 years younger, and it was actually embarrassing. Last
time I saw him, he looked like he'd been under the knife; he needs to give
Michael Caine a few tips.
Lynn
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Paper View
Brute! wrote in message
<5vaa7so3g2fq9qo6k...@4ax.com>...
>>
>>For one thing, NOBODY who's 45 yrs old says "da
bomb."
>>
>
Whoa, dude! Sorry, MY bad! I picked it up from
my nephews (they're 'skate punks'). Actually,
I'll be 46 a week from today.
WayCool Reverend
>I always liked Bailey best too.
Bailey was always far better looking than
Loni Anderson. Loni Anderson always had a
weird artificial "plastic" look to her. Bailey had
a natural beauty appearance.
WayCool Reverend
Tina Louise because he wrote
>Tina actually looks pretty good for being 65.>
> Look at other actresses her age and there is
> no comparison - Tina wins!!
Did you write this with a straight face? When
Tina first first appeared on that show I
Immediately thought of seeing Rock Hudson on
TV shortly before his AIDS was made public.
I am NOT saying Tina Louise is sick in any
way but that's what first came to my mind. Her
hair was THIN, stringy, and the red color looked
like a Halloween job. her face was shallow and
sunken in. Most likely she just aged terribly.
cwje...@my-deja.com
Michael Ritchie <mrit...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> nerdboy mikey wrote:
> >
> > "Paper View" <Vi...@nospam.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > What is this, the 'Kick Tina Louise' thread? I
> > > am 45 years old, and I clearly remember that
> > > during the show's original run, Ginger was DA
> > > BOMB.
> >
>
> in a while just to keep them on their toes.
>
> > Secondly, compared to how Dawn Wells aged, you HAVE to admit that
Tina's the
> > worst of the two.
>
> Not to mention Tina's distinct lack of talent.
>
> --M., not necessarily implying that
> Dawn Wells is any Meryl Streep herself
>
like she did 35 years ago. She looks pudgy now. She has to be perky
about being Mary Ann because she hasn't got to do anything else.
Dawn is at least 5 years younger than Tina. Wait 5 years and see
how Dawn ages. Tina actually looks pretty good for being 65. Look at
other actresses her age and there is no comparison - Tina wins!!
more movies and tv appearances than all the other "castaways" combined.
Tina is still the sexiest redhead to ever have been on tv or movies!!!
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Jeff Troutman
> The Vyrdolak wrote
> >I always liked Bailey best too.
>
> Bailey was always far better looking than
> Loni Anderson. Loni Anderson always had a
> weird artificial "plastic" look to her. Bailey had
> a natural beauty appearance.
>
Bailey's character (as played by Jan Smithers, IIRC)came off as more
unaffected and natural, so she was more likeable. Loni's Jennifer was a
nice satire of the blonde bombshell stereotype, but couldn't really move
past that into anything three-dimensional.
Jeff Troutman
Jeff Troutman
> Tiny Dancer wrote...
> >
> >Now that everyone has trashed Tina Louise, can I have a go at Russell?
> >What a disappointment he was. I know we've all aged since the series ran
> >but, man, I used to dream about helping the Prof with his little projects
> >and together I just *knew* we could build a boat!
>
> Me too! I always thought he was so cool. I saw him somewhere within the
> last few years and my reaction was the same. In fact, I've noticed that
> while women will hit the plastic surgeon and the gym, often male
> entertainers just allow themselves to grow old ungracefully.
It surprised me in Russell's case, however, since the last time I saw him,
maybe a year or three back, he didn't look that bad at all. He may have
just let himself go only fairly recently, or time just hit him like a truck
Jeff Troutman.
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half the output of Alan Hale Jr. He had more than 20 years of film, and
later t.v., work before he even started on G.I. and many other guest
appearances in both media after the series was over.
LG
richard
Jeff Troutman wrote:
> Lynn <Ka...@postmark.net> wrote:
> > Me too! I always thought he was so cool. I saw him somewhere within the
> > last few years and my reaction was the same. In fact, I've noticed that
> > while women will hit the plastic surgeon and the gym, often male
> > entertainers just allow themselves to grow old ungracefully.
>
> It surprised me in Russell's case, however, since the last time I saw him,
> maybe a year or three back, he didn't look that bad at all. He may have
> just let himself go only fairly recently, or time just hit him like a truck
>
Cut the man some slack. He's 75 years old!
Richard
Brent McKee
WayCool Reverend <Ty...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<19583-387...@storefull-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> The Vyrdolak wrote
> >I always liked Bailey best too.
>
> Bailey was always far better looking than
> Loni Anderson. Loni Anderson always had a
> weird artificial "plastic" look to her. Bailey had
> a natural beauty appearance.
The irony there is that Jan Smithers, who played Bailey Quarters, always
wore heavy makeup in order to cover some facial scarring that she had
suffered as a teenager when she was involved in either a car or motorcycle
accident.
Capel Cleggs
"Brent McKee" <bSm...@the.link.caN> wrote:
> The irony there is that Jan Smithers, who played Bailey Quarters,
always
> wore heavy makeup in order to cover some facial scarring that she had
> suffered as a teenager when she was involved in either a car or
motorcycle
> accident.
Car accident. She wound up with a large scar on her chin.
What I liked about Smithers--apart from the fact that I found her
considerably better looking than Loni Anderson--was her ability, when
needed, to project a sort of wholesome, innocent sexiness that
contrasted nicely with Jennifer's knowing, calculated exploitation of
her looks. The WKRP episode "Rumors," which I caught on the Canadian
Comedy Network last Wednesday, was probably the the best in that regard;
a key scene requires Bailey to--rather improbably--seduce Johnny without
intending to do so (stroking his hair while telling him to "Reach out
and touch the beauty that's around you...grab it...you gotta go for it,
John"). Smithers brings the scene off quite well.
Capel