Re: STARGATE:SGU - "TIME"------WTF?????
clouddreamer
>
> "clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote in message
> news:kNSdneEdgbE_2GLX...@supernews.com...
>> Brian Thorn wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:19:32 -0600, Film Buff <Fre...@Dobbs.MTN>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
>>>> And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
>>>
>>> It was a wash, rinse, repeat episode. The first time they went through
>>> the Stargate, everybody except Scott died from the ice planet bacteria
>>> in the water and the critters on the planet. Scott had been bitten by
>>> a critter, whose venom counteracted the bacteria, and awoke from the
>>> coma as the only survivor. Scott tried to warn Destiny (not knowing
>>> they were all dead from the bacteria) but the solar flare sent the
>>> Kino back in time to the same planet (see the SG1 episode "1969")
>>> where it was found by Eli on the second run-through of the day's
>>> horrific events. They tried to get the venom to save themselves, but
>>> failed, and Scott once again sends the Kino through the Stargate, this
>>> time with more explicit information on how to save themselves. Since
>>> next week is a new episode, we are left to assume they were eventually
>>> successful.
>>>
>>> Best episode so far, in my opinion.
>>
>>
>> One of the best of all the SG series.
>>
>> ..
>
> Interesting how for those of us that like it, it just gets better and
> better but for those that don't it's getting worse.
If those that don't like it didn't like "Time" then it's time they
stopped wasting their time and stop watching it.
..
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> In article <MPG.256a3320deb3b04c98d...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <m34uf5dpdmpjukadkkk9l7hqf26q5it...@4ax.com>,
> > Fre...@Dobbs.MTN says...
> > > Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
>
>
> > > And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
>
>
> > > Thanks for your input
>
> > It was time loops cut in a way to confuse the easily confused.
>
> > They show up on the planet. Walk around wisecracking and insulting the
> > local wildlife. They get sick and start dying. The local wildlife
> > strikes back and they continue dying. Because of a solar flare the gate
> > is malfunction. Rush takes a chance on the gate and gets sent back in
> > time (perhaps many years)
>
> And happened to die all those years ago right next to gate where his
> skull could easily be found. Considerate of him.
Was that his skull or was that Rush's skull, since he died *right
there*?
Pete B
jj
>Fre...@Dobbs.MTN says...
>> Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
>They all lived. Nothing happened.
>> And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
>By all accounts no- next week its back to infidelity and heated glances.
LOL! Thanks for the well honed cynicism - chuckling. I'm going to
keep an eye out for your reviews/commentaries.
>> Thanks for your input
>It was time loops cut in a way to confuse the easily confused.
<chuckle>
>They show up on the planet. Walk around wisecracking and insulting the
>local wildlife. They get sick and start dying. The local wildlife
>strikes back and they continue dying. Because of a solar flare the gate
>is malfunction. Rush takes a chance on the gate and gets sent back in
>time (perhaps many years) - Lt whatshisname throws the kino through the
>gate and is probably eaten.
>(Here the producers ran out of tape)
>Things to ponder if you must; Rush went back in time and was probably
>killed by the critters - who then developed antibodies to the disease he
>was suffering from - so that when the crew arrive in the next timeline
>the critters are a cure.
>
>The critters looked a lot like the drones Atlantis fires in defense
>(though probably a reuse of props)
>
>As angry black dude said: Nothing happened - because it was all reset.
I am vaguely reminded of the Star Trek TNG episode where Data finds an
ancient dead/shutdown version of himself. ( forget exactly what
happened in that epi)
krp
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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S> Was that his skull or was that Rush's skull, since he died *right
S> there*?
I keep hoping that SGU will improve. Alas, how foolish. It is
increasingly dreadful. At least "V" has Morena Baccarin and we can hope for
some hot action. The writing is bad, but I watch hoping to see more of
Morena. In more ways than one.
clouddreamer
That's what I thought as well. The timeline would mesh.
..
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
clouddreamer
>> Maybe so. I've been a sci fi fan all my life, and I can't imagine
>> voluntarily choosing not to watch a sci fi series. And I love time loop
>> episodes.
>
> My main gripe (not that big) was that at first I thought the
> perspective was that of a hidden, stealthy alien aka Predator.
>
> Was the mild fish eye perspective with the hexagonal/honeycomb
> fringing used in previous kino point of views?
Yes.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:4517d70a-278f-4c5a...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
...and V reminds of everything that went wrong with Threshhold,
Surface, and Invasion <shrug> go figure.
David Johnston
Hunh? Yes, Rush's skull was Rush's skull.
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"Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1...@yahoo.com> wrote on Sun, 15 Nov
2009 08:01:31 -0800 (PST)
> In article <MPG.256a3320deb3b04c98d...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> > In article <m34uf5dpdmpjukadkkk9l7hqf26q5it...@4ax.com>,
> > Fre...@Dobbs.MTN says...
> > > Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
> > They all lived. Nothing happened.
> > > And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
> > By all accounts no- next week its back to infidelity and heated glances.
> > > Thanks for your input
> > It was time loops cut in a way to confuse the easily confused.
> > They show up on the planet. Walk around wisecracking and insulting the
> > local wildlife. They get sick and start dying. The local wildlife
> > strikes back and they continue dying. Because of a solar flare the gate
> > is malfunction. Rush takes a chance on the gate and gets sent back in
> > time (perhaps many years)
> And happened to die all those years ago right next to gate where his
> skull could easily be found. Considerate of him.
Perhaps he tripped coming out the gate and hit his head, dying
instantly.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
Apparently, misread the person to whom I replied. I thought he'd said
that Scott died conveniently beside the gate, where his skull was
found.
I figured the whatever was wrong with the gate killed Rush as he tried
to go through.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1...@yahoo.com> wrote on Sun, 15 Nov
> 2009 08:01:31 -0800 (PST)
> > In article <MPG.256a3320deb3b04c98d...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> > Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> > > In article <m34uf5dpdmpjukadkkk9l7hqf26q5it...@4ax.com>,
> > > Fre...@Dobbs.MTN says...
> > > > Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
> > > They all lived. Nothing happened.
> > > > And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
> > > By all accounts no- next week its back to infidelity and heated glances.
> > > > Thanks for your input
> > > It was time loops cut in a way to confuse the easily confused.
> > > They show up on the planet. Walk around wisecracking and insulting the
> > > local wildlife. They get sick and start dying. The local wildlife
> > > strikes back and they continue dying. Because of a solar flare the gate
> > > is malfunction. Rush takes a chance on the gate and gets sent back in
> > > time (perhaps many years)
> > And happened to die all those years ago right next to gate where his
> > skull could easily be found. Considerate of him.
>
> Perhaps he tripped coming out the gate and hit his head, dying
> instantly.
Or whatever was 'wrong' with the gate killed him. Doubt they'll
explain it.
David Johnston
Could be, but then again he could have died during the night while
sticking close to the stargate.
clouddreamer
Yeah. The gate travel didn't kill him. We already know from 1969 that
humans can safely travel when a solar flare affects the wormhole. He
just travels through time. Likely he stayed by the stargate hoping for
rescue and the buggers got him.
..
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> David Johnston wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:50:55 -0800 (PST), "Smokie Darling (Annie)"
I don't recall *that* gate looking like it was shorting out though.
That's how I looked at this one. As though the wormhole was not
stable, therefore, deadly.
clouddreamer
Ten years later. Better special effects.
;]
Dimensional Traveler
Or the disease, which appears to be fatal within 24 hours.
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Anim8rFSK
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-734EC...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> ANIM...@cox.net says...
> > In article <MPG.256a2d21c...@news.usenetserver.com>,
> > Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <ANIM8Rfsk-BD332...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> > > ANIM...@cox.net says...
> > > > In article <drache-FCBE1B....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <m34uf5dpdmpjukadk...@4ax.com>,
> > > > > Film Buff <Fre...@Dobbs.MTN> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can someone please explain this episode what happend?
> > > > > > And the ending - is this a 2 parter??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your input
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the same question.
> > > >
> > > > So you're saying I was right to stop watching again?
> > >
> > > This was actually more scifiy with only a little "waa, i love you" stuff
> > > - but it was also fairly derivative. And they were recycling SG1/SGA
> > > ideas, which may be a bonus for some *g*
> >
> > So you're saying I was right to stop watching again.
>
> Depends on how you feel about resets in the shower :)
The Dallas reset was absolutely necessary and absolutely brilliant!
--
Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
Remember, you can't spell "disgust" without SGU!
Davej
>
> I keep hoping that SGU will improve. Alas, how foolish. It is
> increasingly dreadful. At least "V" has Morena Baccarin and we
> can hope for some hot action. The writing is bad, but I watch
> hoping to see more of Morena. In more ways than one.
I find SGU much more watchable than V.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
<giggle> okay... Well, I don't recall them saying the gate was
acting "funny", that it seemed a bit unstable <smile>. That doesn't
require any special effects.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
Yeah, I keep forgetting that he was also infected. That actually
makes more sense than the gate malfunctioning <grin>. I often
overthink things, had ya noticed?
erilar
<8f16acd4-2fa9-4743...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
So do I, but that's because I've never even looked at V. I remember the
one it's based on, which I watched a wee bit of and decided I didn't
care for the whole premise as basis for a series.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Davej
> Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > I keep hoping that SGU will improve. Alas, how foolish. It is
> > > increasingly dreadful. At least "V" has Morena Baccarin and we
> > > can hope for some hot action. The writing is bad, but I watch
> > > hoping to see more of Morena. In more ways than one.
>
> > I find SGU much more watchable than V.
>
> So do I, but that's because I've never even looked at V. I remember the
> one it's based on, which I watched a wee bit of and decided I didn't
> care for the whole premise as basis for a series.
Well, for one thing you start thinking that these people shouldn't be
so damn gullible and should find it preposterous that the "V-aliens"
just happen to be humanoids and apparently identical to us in every
way. Add to that the "yuck factor" of the hormone-driven teenage son
and it's barely watchable.
Tim Bruening
"Smokie Darling (Annie)" wrote:
How long was the gate unstable in timeline 1 before the kino was sent through?
szr
Actually the same effect was used as early as Season 1 of SG-1; like towards
the end of Torment of Tantalis, so it's not a question of better special
effects.
-szr
whodunit
...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
Here we go again...
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Tim Bruening
whodunit wrote:
So the V series has Visitor supporters proclaiming their support for Obama?
Pete B
tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
Naa, its just some nazies who are against the good life for all.
Rom
> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> thusly:
>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>
> Here we go again...
I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
distaste for the current state of the economy, recently huge amount of
students protesting on university campuses over tuition hikes, and reps and
senators blatantly ignoring what the people who they are supposed to be
representing are saying, branding them as senseless mobs instead.
HELL, even some hard left liberals are against what is going on. Also,
Senator Reed is having a hell of a time getting support to even start a
DEBATE on whether or not to call a vote on the "health bill." [1] It's plain
obvious there's people in high positions right now who are just power hungry
sycophants (kind of reminds me of Kinsey form SG-1) who just wish to control
us all.
Also, isn't it just beautifully ironic that the e-books that Amazon remotely
deleted from Kindle were Orwell's "1984" and "Animal Farm" ? Can't you seem
the common pattern here of power and control?
Spike, I know you gotta be more intelligent, and able to see what is going
on. It's not limited to anyone country obviously. You've gotta know that
freedom is the most precious resource in existence, no? Come on, ffs. Obama
is a puppet that pretends to be a progressive, but it really the voice for
the far left agendas out there.
[1] I'm all for a better health system, but not if they are going to fine or
even jail you for not going with the flow. What they really want to do is
hilariously unconstitutional to the point of spawning memories of the 1984
film version of "1984."
-Rom
clouddreamer
> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>> thusly:
>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>> Here we go again...
>
> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> trying to do to the U.S.
Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
You're so blinded by ideology, you'll never see any good.
<plonk>
..
David Johnston
>spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>> thusly:
>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>
>> Here we go again...
>
>I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
>distaste for the current state of the economy,
Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
got in.
David V. Loewe, Jr
<saveth...@save.money.too> wrote:
>Rom wrote:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>> thusly:
>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>> Here we go again...
>>
>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>> trying to do to the U.S.
>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right? You
are also aware that certain socialized medicine programs (Canadian
Medicare to name one specifically) do not even cover *legal* aliens,
correct? Why should America have to cover illegals when other
governments don't even deign to cover legals?
Another approximately 15 million of those people would qualify for
Medicaid - if they'd apply.
Another group (I don't know the numbers on this one offhand) consists of
high wage earners ($50,000 or more in personal income) who do not bother
to spend money on health insurance.
>You're so blinded by ideology, you'll never see any good.
I've posted studies, which have gone unrefuted here and in every other
forum I've trotted them out, that show that American Life Expectancy,
when adjusted for events that health care cannot deal with (like
murders) is the highest in the world. But people pushing for a radical
change in the way we do health care can't see the good in that.
Moreover, where is the money for this going to come from? Are you aware
that people get denied treatment in Canada because of lack of funding?
><plonk>
--
"Though these wounds have seen no wars
Except for the scars I have ignored
And this endless crutch, well it's never enough
It's been the Worst Day Since Yesterday"
- Flogging Molly
David Johnston
<dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:46:35 -0330, clouddreamer
><saveth...@save.money.too> wrote:
>
>>Rom wrote:
>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>>> thusly:
>
>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>> Here we go again...
>>>
>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>
>>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
>You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
>
>For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
>vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right?
Wrong. The illegal aliens aren't on the books.
krp
"clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote in message
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> Rom wrote:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>> thusly:
>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>> Here we go again...
>>
>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>> trying to do to the U.S.
>
>
> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
Richest? What are you injecting? With 11 TRILLIONS dollars in debt by
one counting over $100 trillion in debt by the real one from the Comptroller
General) you say we are RICH? Tell me, oh great mental giant, what's made
here any more? Even 50% of GM's auto assembly is off shore, nearly 90% of
the components are made off shore. When is the last time you saw an
operating steel mill in the United States??? How's that American Made TV
set doing for you? What is it, a MUNTZ? A MAGNAVOX? Seen any American made
stereo's lately? Where is your computer built? Oh, okay, we ARE making SOME
chips. How about that coffee maker? Mexico or Taiwan? Clothing? CHINA!
Hell - at least 60% of your food comes from other countries. How many
companies are making farm machinery? John Deere makes a FEW things. Hey how
about heavy construction machines? Certainly Caterpillar? Yeah a few things,
but lots is IMPORTED from the factories in Europe. See any road
construction? I look at the cranes and like and see KOMATSU.
Hey how about all those GREAT health care machines. MRI and all that
good shit? GE? Yep. IN FRENCH and GERMAN factories. Tires? Firestone is
owned by Bridgestone of Japan. HA SO! Yankee you die! Appliances? A health
share of the market is from Europe and Asia. HELL - we even IMPORT condoms.
Ever go into a hospital? Most of the doctors are named Gupta or Patel. How
about telephones? SURE we have telephones coming out our ass? RIGHT, we
invented them. NOPE. Not ONE.. 100% are from Asia. Cell phones? Europe and
Asia. Fiver optic cable? Nope!
Ah but the really HEAVY stuff like electrical generators (turbines)?
NOPE. Not even PARTS for them. Europe and China. We have to BUY them. Drugs?
Yes, some. Shit we even have to IMPORT our Marijuana. But seriously, most
drug companies are now OWNED by foreign companies and they are racing to
close ALL US production.
You know "DREAMER" it is amazing that ANY of our people have healthcare.
This shit did NOT start under Obama. It's been going on for well over a
century. Deficit spending like drunken sailors in a brothel by Congress, and
to a large degree by the American people. Buying houses MUCH bigger than we
can really afford. Carrying HUGE mortgages. Now many Americans are "under
water" in mortgages that are twice what the house is worth today. The dollar
is in the shitters. It is inevitable that that they will have to start
printing $100,000 bills. Even with that we'll have to take the cash to the
supermarket on a fork-lift. The INTEREST on what we owe China will gobble up
the next 10 years of our GNP!
Richest country? We are Cuba with NEW CARS that we owe our asses on.
Do you think this FREE HEALTH CARE will REALLY be for FREE? TOTALLY FREE?
Nobody has to pay for it? Oh yeah, the RICH will pay for it, right? SOAK THE
RICH! Yet they are moving their case OFF SHORE as fast as they can. And
YOU, RICH GUY?
krp
"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
news:e77fg51bhlurmqm99...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:19:25 -0600, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>>>> are
>>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>>
>>>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>
>>You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
>>
>>For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
>>vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right?
>
> Wrong. The illegal aliens aren't on the books.
And you are THICK enough to actually BELIEVE that bullshit? Tell you
what Dave. I'm going to make a deal for you. I'm suffering the cash crunch
like most folks. YOU seem to be one of the "RICH" so maybe we can do a
little business. I inherited this Bridge in New York that connects to
Brooklyn. I'll really sell it to you CHEAP. It's a SHORT SALE. YOU have
READ the Bill, right? You KNOW that Illegal aliens won't be covered? Tell me
dork,you know they are COVERED right now, don't you? Se habla MED -EEE -
KADE!
Don't worry - we are SOOOOOOOOO fukking RICH we can give FREE health
care to EVERYONE on the planet! I am SURE you can pony up at least a million
dollars a year, right? YOU HAVE IT! SOAK THE RICH! PAY UP!
krp
>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>
>>> Here we go again...
>>
>>I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
>>trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
>>distaste for the current state of the economy,
>
> Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
> got in.
Nice DESPERATE TRY at partisan bullshit. The TAX AND SPEND shit have
been going on for more than a century. Actually deficit spending was there
when Washington was president. You are just blowing popular political
MYTHOLOGY at us. It just started going wild, but the worst drunken spending
was under Carter. Actually the two most responsible presidents on spending
in the past 50 years were Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.
Dano
So you are in favor of our third world status? Did it not occur to you that
these problems have been brought on by the voracious super wealthy class in
this country that have been sucking off the working people for decades? You
know...the one percent of citizens that hold some 95% of the wealth in
America? Does that strike you as a desirable path to greatness for this
nation?
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
That was convincing. Not.
http://www.slate.com/id/2236288/
"Illegal immigrants represent about 15 percent of the uninsured, but for
various reasons (they're younger, they lack access to government
programs) they don't represent 15 percent of uncompensated care; it's
more like 10 percent, according to a study by the Center for Immigration
Studies, a nonprofit research group."
Now, that comes up with different numbers than I do, but it is rather
clear that illegals are counted amongst the American uninsured.
--
"You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas."
Eric Woolfson & Alan Parsons
Pete B
@tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> "clouddreamer" <saveth...@save.money.too> wrote in message
> news:8LednUp3DrHyoprW...@supernews.com...
> > Rom wrote:
> >> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> >>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> >>> thusly:
> >>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> >>> Here we go again...
> >>
> >> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> >> trying to do to the U.S.
> >
> >
> > Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> > nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
>
> Richest? What are you injecting? With 11 TRILLIONS dollars in debt by
> one counting over $100 trillion in debt by the real one from the Comptroller
> General) you say we are RICH?
You should have asked why he was trying to give China healthcare ;)
> Richest country? We are Cuba with NEW CARS that we owe our asses on.
> Do you think this FREE HEALTH CARE will REALLY be for FREE? TOTALLY FREE?
> Nobody has to pay for it?
Everybody has to.
> Oh yeah, the RICH will pay for it, right? SOAK THE
> RICH! Yet they are moving their case OFF SHORE as fast as they can. And
> YOU, RICH GUY?
That's the way they build american: The rich piss on the poor. Nothing
new there.
David Johnston
wrote:
>
>"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
>news:e77fg51bhlurmqm99...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:19:25 -0600, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>
>>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>>>>> are
>>>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>>>
>>>>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>>>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>>
>>>You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
>>>
>>>For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
>>>vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right?
>>
>> Wrong. The illegal aliens aren't on the books.
>
> And you are THICK enough to actually BELIEVE that bullshit?
<yawn> I take it you have no facts to back your bluster. Bye.
Tim Bruening
Rom wrote:
> clouddreamer wrote:
> > Rom wrote:
> >> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> >>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> >>> thusly:
> >>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> >>> Here we go again...
> >>
> >> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
> >> are trying to do to the U.S.
> >
> >
> > Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> > nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>
> The majority of people DO have health care already. The system DOES need to
> be reformed. But not forced upon us (under penalty of hefty fines and/or
> jail time.) Is this really how you believe the problem should be solved?!
I suggest that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan to free up money for health
care reform.
Tim Bruening
Pete B wrote:
Why would a Nazi vote for Obama? I thought that the Nazies hated blacks.
Pete B
tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
No idea. Is it a riddle?
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:47:34 -0500, "krp" <kr...@tampabay.rr.com>
>wrote:
>>"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:19:25 -0600, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>>
>>>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> trying to do to the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>>Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>>>>nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>>>
>>>>You do know that the plan doesn't do that, right?
>>>>
>>>>For example, about 12 million of the 40-something (not 50 and estimates
>>>>vary between 43-47) million uninsured are illegal aliens, right?
>>>
>>> Wrong. The illegal aliens aren't on the books.
>>
>> And you are THICK enough to actually BELIEVE that bullshit?
>
><yawn> I take it you have no facts to back your bluster. Bye.
I notice that you didn't respond to my post, which preceded yours, which
had those facts you are asking about here...
--
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people in this culture who insist that Dissent has been squelched.
Brother, you have no idea."
James Lileks
David V. Loewe, Jr
How about leaving Germany, Japan and Korea? We've been in those places
much longer than Iraq or Afghanistan and, unlike Afghanistan, the bad
guys aren't likely to try and regain power in any of those places any
time soon. And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
--
"Oh now feel it comin' back again
Like a rollin' thunder chasing the wind
Forces pullin' from the center of the earth again
I can feel it."
- Ed Kowalczyk,Chad Taylor,Patrick Dahlheimer
& Chad Gracey
Jette Goldie
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:35:23 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>> Rom wrote:
>>> clouddreamer wrote:
>>>> Rom wrote:
>>>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
>>>>>> thusly:
>
>>>>>>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
>>>>>> Here we go again...
>>>>> I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they
>>>>> are trying to do to the U.S.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
>>>> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
>>> The majority of people DO have health care already. The system DOES need to
>>> be reformed. But not forced upon us (under penalty of hefty fines and/or
>>> jail time.) Is this really how you believe the problem should be solved?!
>> I suggest that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan to free up money for health
>> care reform.
>
> How about leaving Germany, Japan and Korea? We've been in those places
> much longer than Iraq or Afghanistan and, unlike Afghanistan, the bad
> guys aren't likely to try and regain power in any of those places any
> time soon.
Because those aren't war zones?
>And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
for certain values of "won".
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David Loewe, Jr.
1) The issue before us is cost. Having a military presence in Germany,
Japan and Korea costs money.
2) That Iraq and Afghanistan are "war zones" is a compelling argument to
*stay* in those countries.
>>And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
>
>for certain values of "won".
We are handing over governance to a reasonably stable central government
that is not a danger to its neighbors. Surely that is victory.
--
"But then I remembered that I was debating with someone who bears hus
insensitivity as a point of pride - and has a lot to be proud of - and
cut it out."
Lara Beaton on John S. Novak, III in <3946b195...@news.btinternet.com>
Alan J.
> Rom wrote:
> > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> >> And verily, didst whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble
> >> thusly:
> >>> ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> >> Here we go again...
> >
> > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> > trying to do to the U.S.
>
> Yeah. Trying to give health care to 50 million people in the richest
> nation on Earth is a terrible thing. How dare he.
No, many poeople aready have health care, and for most people, it does
work Yes, it does need to be improved. It would be nice to be able to
choose any insurance irregardless of where you live, for example, but
what we DON'T need to is a single public option that's just going to
end up raising taxes and in the end not make anything better.
> You're so blinded by ideology, you'll never see any good.
And what the hell do you call the pro Obama crows that keeps giving
him a free pass everytime he screws ups?
--
AJ
Alan J.
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:11:10 -0800, "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> wrote:
> > spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> > > thusly:
> > > > ...and yet, they voted for Obama. Go figure.
> > >
> > > Here we go again...
> >
> > I can't believe even someone like you can support Obama or what they are
> > trying to do to the U.S. There's been millions of people voicing their
> > distaste for the current state of the economy,
>
> Which started in Bush's term and would have been the same if McCain
> got in.
Funny, the same people that keep claiming Obama inhereted things like
the economy from Bush are the same people who cried the exact OPPOSITE
when Bush came into power, despite al lthe evidence that Bush did in
fact inhereit quite a bit of baggage from Clinton...
--
AJ
Dimensional Traveler
save us much money. Disbanding them might but is counter-productive for
other reasons.
> 2) That Iraq and Afghanistan are "war zones" is a compelling argument to
> *stay* in those countries.
>
>>> And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
>> for certain values of "won".
>
> We are handing over governance to a reasonably stable central government
> that is not a danger to its neighbors. Surely that is victory.
The current central Iraqi government is not "stable" and has
insufficient control over significant portions of its own country. Its
better than it was a few years ago but not there yet.
--
7 Years - 2265 Experiments - 10 tons of explosives - 705 Myths
Myths - Will - Fall!
David V. Loewe, Jr
Base maintenance alone has to be quite a bit.
BUT, the point here is that we've stayed in places far longer than we
have stayed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
>Disbanding them might but is counter-productive for other reasons.
>
>> 2) That Iraq and Afghanistan are "war zones" is a compelling argument to
>> *stay* in those countries.
>>
>>>> And, we are getting out of Iraq. We've won there.
>>> for certain values of "won".
>>
>> We are handing over governance to a reasonably stable central government
>> that is not a danger to its neighbors. Surely that is victory.
>
>The current central Iraqi government is not "stable"
It is as stable as Italy or Israel (or South Korea in my memory).
>and has insufficient control over significant portions of its own country.
>Its better than it was a few years ago but not there yet.
Well, we're not leaving entirely. Eventually, these people have to,
like Germany, Japan and South Korea before them, take on certain
governmental functions.
--
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We waited for love to bring.
Were they only the fitful dreams
Of some greater awakening?"
Clyde J. Browne