Today's premieres and other notes (Sunday, Jan. 7)

[Robin Miller]

Vera (season 8 premiere) (BritBox)

http://deadline.com/2017/12/britbox-steals-march-on-svod-rivals-with-vera-deal-1202224370/

https://www.britbox.com/show/Vera_13500




75th Annual Golden Globe Awards (live event) (8-11 pm, NBC)

Seth Meyers hosts.




An Aurora Teagarden Mystery: Last Scene Alive (movie) (9 pm,
Hallmark M&M)

A Hollywood film crew descends on the town of Lawrenceton, GA to produce
a film based on a book written by Aurora’s onetime boyfriend Robin
Crusoe. However, when the lead actress, who is playing Aurora is killed,
the real Aurora and the Murders Club must investigate a long list of
suspects. Stars Candace Cameron Bure, Marilu Henner, Yannick Bisson.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7768286/

http://www.hallmarkmoviesandmysteries.com/last-scene-alive-an-aurora-teagarden-mystery




The Chi [new] (10 pm, Showtime)

The coming-of-age drama from Common, Elwood Reid, and Lena Waithe
follows a group of residents in the South Side of Chicago including
Brandon (Jason Mitchell), who dreams of opening up a restaurant with his
girlfriend (Tiffany Boone) but is torn by his responsibilities toward
his younger brother Coogie (Jahking Guillory) and their alcoholic mother
(Sonja Sohn); 13-tear-old Kevin (Alex Hibbert) who finds himself in the
wrong place at the wrong time; and Jada (Yolonda Ross) a single mother
to her son Emmett (Jacob Latimore).

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/the-chi [Metacritic score 76]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPqbhroAPWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjVKsFVgvqY [first episode]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chi

http://www.sho.com/the-chi




Mother, May I Dance With Mary Jane's Fist?: A Lifetone Original Movie
(special) (midnight, Adult Swim)




Winter premieres:

The Simpsons (8 pm, Fox)

Ghosted (8:30 pm, Fox)

Family Guy (9 pm, Fox)

Note: Bob's Burgers and Last Man on Earth return next Sunday.


Wisdom of the Crowd (8 pm, CBS) [two remaining season-one
episodes; finale is next Sunday]

NCIS: Los Angeles (9 pm, CBS)

Madam Secretary (10 pm, CBS)


Star Trek: Discovery (8:30 pm, CBS All Access) [episodes
10-15 of season 1 remain, available weekly]

After Trek (9:30 pm, CBS All Access)



Cable reality:

Final Appeal [new] (7-9 pm, Oxygen)

Follows former football star and exoneree Brian Banks and former
prosecutor Loni Coombs as they work tirelessly to uncover the truth
behind controversial cases that may have led to wrongful conviction.
Regular time is 7-8 pm.



Sister Wives (season 8 premiere) (8 and 9 pm. two episodes,
TLC)



North Woods Law (season 10 premiere) (9 pm, Animal Planet)



To Rome for Love [new] (9 pm, Bravo)

For decades, love expert Diann Valentine has been traveling to Italy to
enjoy the great food, amazing architecture, and history. Along the way,
she discovered the best-kept secret in town: Italian men love black
women. In this picturesque country where women of color are celebrated
and adored, Diann is on a mission to help single ladies who can't find a
good man in America.



Worst Cooks in America (season 12 premiere) (9 pm, Food
Network)



Bahamas Live [new] (9 and 9:30 pm, two episodes, HGTV)

Two earlier episodes were broadcast on Jan. 1, but this is the formal
premiere.



Island Life (season 11 premiere) (10 pm, HGTV)



Lone Star Law (season 3 premiere) (10 pm, Animal Planet)



Revenge Body With Khloe Kardashian (season 2 premiere)
(10 pm, E!)



Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen (season 15 premiere)
(11 pm, Bravo)




Tomorrow's advance notes:


Antiques Roadshow (season 22 premiere) (8 pm, PBS)




David Bowie: The Last Five Years (documentary) (8 pm, HBO)

This HBO documentary film looks at the legendary rock star's final years
of life—a remarkably fruitful period that produced a pair of
well-received albums (The Next Day and Blackstar) as well as a Broadway
musical (Lazarus). Following up his 2013 film David Bowie: Five Years,
director Francis Whately combines intimate behind-the-scenes footage of
Bowie himself with interviews with collaborators such as producer Tony
Visconti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwuuDpwPYxo

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/david-bowie-the-last-five-years




Just Like Mom and Dad [new] (8 pm, BYUtv)

Produced in association with marblemedia and YES TV in Canada, the
20-episode family game show celebrates modern, diverse families and
proves how much fun families can have together. Just Like Mom and Dad is
hosted by husband and wife duo and family entertainment veterans, Sandy
Jobin-Bevans and Kylee Evans.

https://www.byutv.org/post/e636afb6-c1d0-49cc-8c74-36a11f77e1b4/a-new-family-game-show-just-like-mom-and-dad




College Football National Championship (live event)
(8:15 pm, ESPN)




The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)



The Good Doctor (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, ABC)



--Robin

[Ian J. Ball]

On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:

> Tomorrow's advance notes:

>
>
> The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)

> --Robin

I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...

And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)


--
"Three light sabers? Is that overkill? Or just the right amount
of "kill"?" - M-OC, "A Perilous Rescue" (ep. #2.9), LSW:TFA (08-10-2017)

[suzeeq]

Ian J. Ball wrote:
> On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:
>
>> Tomorrow's advance notes:
>>
>>
>> The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)
>> --Robin
>
> I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...
>
> And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)

Victoria starts next Sunday.

[Obveeus]

On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Robin Miller wrote:


>         Winter premieres:

> Wisdom of the Crowd       (8 pm, CBS)      [two remaining season-one
> episodes; finale is next Sunday]

This is probably the series finale as well because of sexual harassment
claims.

>         Tomorrow's advance notes:

> Just Like Mom and Dad          [new]          (8 pm, BYUtv)
>
> Produced in association with marblemedia and YES TV in Canada, the
> 20-episode family game show celebrates modern, diverse families and
> proves how much fun families can have together. Just Like Mom and Dad is
> hosted by husband and wife duo and family entertainment veterans, Sandy
> Jobin-Bevans and Kylee Evans.

A gameshow to promote Mormon families adopting outside their color
scheme if they cannot have children of their own?

[anim8rfsk]

In article <fbf4l8...@mid.individual.net>,
Robin Miller <robin....@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Winter premieres:

>
>
> Family Guy (9 pm, Fox)

Guess there's that

>
> Madam Secretary (10 pm, CBS)

Not watching, even though it *is* better than "State of Affairs"

>
>
>
Thanks> --Robin

--
Join your old RAT friends at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1688985234647266/

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p2tp16$3u7$1...@dont-email.me>,

Ian J. Ball <IJB...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:
>
> > Tomorrow's advance notes:
> >
> >
> > The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)
> > --Robin
>
> I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...
>
> And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)

So nothing then?

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p2tpab$lql$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
wrote:

Says the Mistress of Misdirection!

[Tony Calguire]

On 07 Jan 2018, Robin Miller (robin....@invalid.invalid) wrote in
rec.arts.tv:

>
> Winter premieres:
>
> The Simpsons (8 pm, Fox)
>
> Ghosted (8:30 pm, Fox)
>
> Family Guy (9 pm, Fox)
>
> Note: Bob's Burgers and Last Man on Earth return next Sunday.
>
>

Last Man is new tonight.

[suzeeq]

anim8rfsk wrote:
> In article <p2tpab$lql$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:
>>>
>>>> Tomorrow's advance notes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)
>>>> --Robin
>>> I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...
>>>
>>> And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)
>> Victoria starts next Sunday.
>
> Says the Mistress of Misdirection!
>

Look it up in your tv guide.

I wasn't in the RV, you misdirected yourself.

[Robin Miller]

OK, thanks.

--Robin

[Robin Miller]

Obveeus wrote:
>
>
> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>
>
>>          Winter premieres:
>
>> Wisdom of the Crowd       (8 pm, CBS)      [two remaining season-one
>> episodes; finale is next Sunday]
>
> This is probably the series finale as well because of sexual harassment
> claims.

Yes, but that's too bad. I've started watching my recorded episodes and
I'm enjoying it. Very much a PoI feel.

--Robin

[Connor]

Probably diverse means they adopted non-Mormon kids! Probably not black!

[Robin Miller]

And the married couple hosts have different last names! They've made it
to the 1970s.

--Robin

[suzeeq]

Connor wrote:
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 10:49:36 AM UTC-8, Obveeus wrote:
>> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>>
>>

>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Winter premieres:
>>> Wisdom of the Crowd      (8 pm, CBS)     [two remaining season-one

>>> episodes; finale is next Sunday]
>> This is probably the series finale as well because of sexual harassment
>> claims.
>>

>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Tomorrow's advance notes:
>>> Just Like Mom and Dad         [new]         (8 pm, BYUtv)

>>>
>>> Produced in association with marblemedia and YES TV in Canada, the
>>> 20-episode family game show celebrates modern, diverse families and
>>> proves how much fun families can have together. Just Like Mom and Dad is
>>> hosted by husband and wife duo and family entertainment veterans, Sandy
>>> Jobin-Bevans and Kylee Evans.
>> A gameshow to promote Mormon families adopting outside their color
>> scheme if they cannot have children of their own?
>
> Probably diverse means they adopted non-Mormon kids! Probably not black!

The Mormons have been adopting native american children for years.

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p2tsd9$fpn$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
wrote:

TV Guide hasn't had listings in decades

> I wasn't in the RV, you misdirected yourself.

I thought you'd like your shiny new 2018 title.

[suzeeq]

anim8rfsk wrote:
> In article <p2tsd9$fpn$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
> wrote:
>
>> anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> In article <p2tpab$lql$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomorrow's advance notes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)
>>>>>> --Robin
>>>>> I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...
>>>>>
>>>>> And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)
>>>> Victoria starts next Sunday.
>>> Says the Mistress of Misdirection!
>>>
>> Look it up in your tv guide.
>
> TV Guide hasn't had listings in decades
>

Not that guide, the one in your tv.

>> I wasn't in the RV, you misdirected yourself.
>
> I thought you'd like your shiny new 2018 title.
>

No, I don't think so.

[suzeeq]

Waitaminnit - I had a title last year?

[shawn]

Hmm, maybe The Mistress of Pie..
Though that would have been a super secret title that no one knew
until after the year was over.

[anim8rfsk]

Yes, but we don't talk about it.

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p2u76n$kik$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>

wrote:

> anim8rfsk wrote:
> > In article <p2tsd9$fpn$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> anim8rfsk wrote:
> >>> In article <p2tpab$lql$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ian J. Ball wrote:
> >>>>> On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Tomorrow's advance notes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)
> >>>>>> --Robin
> >>>>> I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too...
> >>>>> :)
> >>>> Victoria starts next Sunday.
> >>> Says the Mistress of Misdirection!
> >>>
> >> Look it up in your tv guide.
> >
> > TV Guide hasn't had listings in decades
> >
>
> Not that guide, the one in your tv.

It only goes 7 days total, so next Sunday's Victoria wouldn't show up
'till tomorrow.

Let's see
Victoria and Abdul
Victoria La Mala: Si Va A Doler Que Duela
Victoria on Masterpiece
Victoria Wieck Genuine Gemstones
Victorian Cake Co.
Victorian or View in Colorado
Victorian vs. Modern in PA
Victoria's New Wallpaper

Victoria on Masterpiece has a dozen shows listed, including 3 tonight,
but I have no idea what I'm looking for. Tonight's episode titles:
The Queen's Husband
Engine of Change
Young England
Mummy on the Orient Express

>
> >> I wasn't in the RV, you misdirected yourself.
> >
> > I thought you'd like your shiny new 2018 title.
> >
>
> No, I don't think so.

:(

[anim8rfsk]

In article <20a55dl4imqnuhsbm...@4ax.com>,

And we would only speak of it in it's current year.

[Ubiquitous]

robin....@invalid.invalid wrote:

>75th Annual Golden Globe Awards (live event) (8-11 pm, NBC)
>Seth Meyers hosts.

Who will wear the sexiest black dress to "protest" Harvey, and how long will
it take for them to deflect this to Trump?
#TheyAllKnew

--
Dems & the media want Trump to be more like Obama, but then he'd
have to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.

[Adam H. Kerman]

anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>Ian J. Ball <IJB...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:

>>> Tomorrow's advance notes:

>>>The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)

>>I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...

>>And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)

>So nothing then?

You hate everything. The Magicians isn't great but it has some merit to it.

[Adam H. Kerman]

suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:

>>> Tomorrow's advance notes:

>>>The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)

>>I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...

>>And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)

>Victoria starts next Sunday.

Will this season still feature the impossibly cute girl or has Victoria
been recast?

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 1/7/2018 10:49 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>
>
> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>
>
>>          Winter premieres:
>
>> Wisdom of the Crowd       (8 pm, CBS)      [two remaining season-one
>> episodes; finale is next Sunday]
>
> This is probably the series finale as well because of sexual harassment
> claims.
>

I thought they had not given it a back nine order because the ratings
were too low.


--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 1/7/2018 9:45 AM, Robin Miller wrote:
>
> Star Trek: Discovery         (8:30 pm, CBS All Access)        [episodes
> 10-15 of season 1 remain, available weekly]
>
> After Trek        (9:30 pm, CBS All Access)
>

Is the After Trek show giving out free penicillin?

[Obveeus]

On 1/7/2018 2:05 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> In article <p2tp16$3u7$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Ian J. Ball <IJB...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:
>>
>>> Tomorrow's advance notes:
>>>
>>>
>>> The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)
>>> --Robin
>>
>> I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...
>>
>> And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)
>
> So nothing then?

You should *really* be watching THE MAGICIANS.
To make it easier, Netflix carries the first 2 seasons streaming:
https://www.netflix.com/title/80092801

[Obveeus]

On 1/7/2018 3:21 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 1/7/2018 10:49 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>>>          Winter premieres:
>>
>>> Wisdom of the Crowd       (8 pm, CBS)      [two remaining season-one
>>> episodes; finale is next Sunday]
>>
>> This is probably the series finale as well because of sexual
>> harassment claims.
>>
> I thought they had not given it a back nine order because the ratings
> were too low.

That too.

[Ian J. Ball]

No - Coleman is good for seasomn #2. From the sounds of it, she may
also do season #3. They'll recast at that point.

"Victoria" seems to only want to use two actress for Victoria. "The
Crown" is pretty much committed to using three different actresses for
Elizabeth (i.e. a new actress every 2 seasons).


--
"Three light sabers? Is that overkill? Or just the right amount
of "kill"?" - M-OC, "A Perilous Rescue" (ep. #2.9), LSW:TFA (08-10-2017)

[Dimensional Traveler]

The Pie Mistress?

[Robin Miller]

Of CBS's Sunday night shows, its 18-49 rating is the same as NCIS:LA and
much better than Madam Secretary:


http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-cbs-week-12-madam-secretary-will-extend-its-term-into-next-season/

NCIS: Los Angeles 0.96

Wisdom of the Crowd 0.95

Madam Secretary 0.67 (CBS's lowest-rated show by far)

However, CBS owns NCIS: LA and Madam Secretary has streaming and
syndication deals, according this write-up.

--Robin

[Obveeus]

On 1/7/2018 11:07 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
> Obveeus wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/7/2018 3:21 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 1/7/2018 10:49 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>          Winter premieres:
>>>>
>>>>> Wisdom of the Crowd       (8 pm, CBS)      [two remaining
>>>>> season-one episodes; finale is next Sunday]
>>>>
>>>> This is probably the series finale as well because of sexual
>>>> harassment claims.
>>>>
>>> I thought they had not given it a back nine order because the ratings
>>> were too low.
>>
>> That too.
>
>
>
> Of CBS's Sunday night shows, its 18-49 rating is the same as NCIS:LA and
> much better than Madam Secretary:
>
>
> http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-cbs-week-12-madam-secretary-will-extend-its-term-into-next-season/
>
>
> NCIS: Los Angeles 0.96
>
> Wisdom of the Crowd   0.95
>
> Madam Secretary   0.67  (CBS's lowest-rated show by far)

MADAM SECRETARY is in that final hour of primetime (or even beyond it
during football season) where ratings are lower.

> However, CBS owns NCIS: LA and Madam Secretary has streaming and
> syndication deals, according this write-up.

...and that is the big difference. These two shows have more episodes
and syndication level deals whereas WISDOM OF THE CROWD was floundering
in its freshman season. MADAM SECRETARY is all but guaranteed a final
season (even if shortened) next year to fill out the portfolio of episodes.

[Robin Miller]

Has CBS promoted Wisdom of the Crowd at all? I'm not watching anything
else on CBS so far this season so I wouldn't know. It seems to me that
they pretty much washed their hands of the show after the abuse/assault
allegations came out. I didn't realize there were five women now:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wisdom-of-the-crowd-canceled-jeremy-piven_us_5a1c8341e4b0e2ddcbb20ff4

According to this, Piven tweeted on Nov. 27 that the show would not
continue.

--Robin

[Robin Miller]

Apparently Piven passed a lie detector test:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jeremy-piven-groping-allegations-lie-detector-test-arianne-bellamar-entourage-a8066891.html

--Robin

[Connor]

Hahaha! Did any body watch it to see what they meant??

[suzeeq]

The 3 Victoria episodes are repeats of last season. In case you missed
them or want to watch again.

[suzeeq]

She's in it for another year.

[Obveeus]

It got a lot of hype early on...and even once the ratings started
rolling in and looking very bad.

> I'm not watching anything
> else on CBS so far this season so I wouldn't know. It seems to me that
> they pretty much washed their hands of the show after the abuse/assault
> allegations came out.

Yep, I think that was the final nail in the coffin for this show.

> I didn't realize there were five women now:
>
> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wisdom-of-the-crowd-canceled-jeremy-piven_us_5a1c8341e4b0e2ddcbb20ff4
>
>
> According to this, Piven tweeted on Nov. 27 that the show would not
> continue.

Not getting any sort of 'back nine' order had to be seen as a
cancellation notice.

[Obveeus]

On 1/7/2018 11:59 PM, Robin Miller wrote:

> Robin Miller wrote:

>> Has CBS promoted Wisdom of the Crowd at all? I'm not watching anything
>> else on CBS so far this season so I wouldn't know. It seems to me that
>> they pretty much washed their hands of the show after the
>> abuse/assault allegations came out. I didn't realize there were five
>> women now:
>>
>> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wisdom-of-the-crowd-canceled-jeremy-piven_us_5a1c8341e4b0e2ddcbb20ff4
>>
>>
>> According to this, Piven tweeted on Nov. 27 that the show would not
>> continue.
>>
>> --Robin
>>
>>
>>
>
> Apparently Piven passed a lie detector test:
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jeremy-piven-groping-allegations-lie-detector-test-arianne-bellamar-entourage-a8066891.html

Interesting. Of course the Arizona Football Coach that was fired after
a sexual harassment investigation found no evidence against him also
passed a lie detector test. I guess such test results don't matter.

Playing devil's advocate, I suppose an actor that was drunk or high on
cocaine when he groped women would pass a lie detector test later simply
because he wouldn't remember what he had done. Plus, lie detector's
don't detect lies, they just detect nervousness...so people who are
nervous will fail no matter what and people who can *act* calm can pass
even though they are lying.

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p2v35d$sl3$1...@news.albasani.net>, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com>

Thanks. I ... either saw them all or bailed before the end. In any
event I had no interest whatsoever in another season of it.

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p2u2dj$6gj$3...@dont-email.me>, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com>
wrote:

I watched the first ep or two and it just didn't call to me at all.

[anim8rfsk]

In article <fbg947...@mid.individual.net>,

Robin Miller <robin....@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Obveeus wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 1/7/2018 3:21 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >> On 1/7/2018 10:49 AM, Obveeus wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 1/7/2018 12:45 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>          Winter premieres:
> >>>
> >>>> Wisdom of the Crowd       (8 pm, CBS)      [two remaining season-one
> >>>> episodes; finale is next Sunday]
> >>>
> >>> This is probably the series finale as well because of sexual
> >>> harassment claims.
> >>>
> >> I thought they had not given it a back nine order because the ratings
> >> were too low.
> >
> > That too.
>
>
>
> Of CBS's Sunday night shows, its 18-49 rating is the same as NCIS:LA and
> much better than Madam Secretary:
>
>
> http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/renewcancel/cancel-bear-vs-cbs-week-12-madam-
> secretary-will-extend-its-term-into-next-season/
>
> NCIS: Los Angeles 0.96
>
> Wisdom of the Crowd 0.95
>
> Madam Secretary 0.67 (CBS's lowest-rated show by far)

And yet still better than State of Affairs.

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p2ttqc$3us$3...@dont-email.me>,

I didn't hate you, at least until you made Dub-Dub hate me.

[shawn]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 08:56:13 -0500, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
>On 1/7/2018 11:59 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>> Robin Miller wrote:
>
>>> Has CBS promoted Wisdom of the Crowd at all? I'm not watching anything
>>> else on CBS so far this season so I wouldn't know. It seems to me that
>>> they pretty much washed their hands of the show after the
>>> abuse/assault allegations came out. I didn't realize there were five
>>> women now:
>>>
>>> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wisdom-of-the-crowd-canceled-jeremy-piven_us_5a1c8341e4b0e2ddcbb20ff4
>>>
>>>
>>> According to this, Piven tweeted on Nov. 27 that the show would not
>>> continue.
>>>
>>> --Robin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Apparently Piven passed a lie detector test:
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jeremy-piven-groping-allegations-lie-detector-test-arianne-bellamar-entourage-a8066891.html
>
>Interesting. Of course the Arizona Football Coach that was fired after
>a sexual harassment investigation found no evidence against him also
>passed a lie detector test. I guess such test results don't matter.

That's not how it works. If you have a lie detector test and fail then
you are obviously guilty. If you have a lie detector test and pass
then you may still be guilty so it's probably best to assume you are
guilty. Whic is what it sounds like happened with the Arizona Football
Coach if there was an investigation and he was found innocent.

[Robin Miller]

Oh, I know it's not definitive. I just thought it was interesting that
Piven would do this. He certainly appears not to believe that these
events happened. When it was just the original complaint, by a D-list
actress, I was dubious. With several more, there must be something to
it. Did a lot of men assume that groping behavior was acceptable?
Probably. Still, I really enjoyed him in Mr Selfridge and am sorry to
see all this come up.

--Robin

[Obveeus]

Watch more and you will see that it is *hands off* one of the best
fantasy shows on TV.

[Obveeus]

I've liked some of his past work as well and I hope the current spread
of black balls can be cured in a satisfactory way for both sides that
doesn't involve death sentences.

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 1/8/2018 9:43 AM, shawn wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 08:56:13 -0500, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 1/7/2018 11:59 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>>> Robin Miller wrote:
>>
>>>> Has CBS promoted Wisdom of the Crowd at all? I'm not watching anything
>>>> else on CBS so far this season so I wouldn't know. It seems to me that
>>>> they pretty much washed their hands of the show after the
>>>> abuse/assault allegations came out. I didn't realize there were five
>>>> women now:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wisdom-of-the-crowd-canceled-jeremy-piven_us_5a1c8341e4b0e2ddcbb20ff4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to this, Piven tweeted on Nov. 27 that the show would not
>>>> continue.
>>>>
>>>> --Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently Piven passed a lie detector test:
>>>
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jeremy-piven-groping-allegations-lie-detector-test-arianne-bellamar-entourage-a8066891.html
>>
>> Interesting. Of course the Arizona Football Coach that was fired after
>> a sexual harassment investigation found no evidence against him also
>> passed a lie detector test. I guess such test results don't matter.
>
> That's not how it works. If you have a lie detector test and fail then
> you are obviously guilty. If you have a lie detector test and pass
> then you may still be guilty so it's probably best to assume you are
> guilty. Whic is what it sounds like happened with the Arizona Football
> Coach if there was an investigation and he was found innocent.
>

So it was "We're going to investigate. If we find that you're guilty
we're canning you. If we find that you're innocent we're canning you
because we might be wrong." So why bother investigating at all?

[Dimensional Traveler]

But I want to be "hands on!" with the blonde!

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p30ns2$6fd$6...@dont-email.me>,

Mostly they don't.

[Obveeus]

You might have more luck when she is a foxy lady.

[Obveeus]

Maybe just so they'd have some 'justification' for getting rid of a
mediocre coach? Whatever the case, they certainly don't have
justification for firing him based upon what they supposedly fired him for.

[Adam H. Kerman]

anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>In article <p2ttqc$3us$3...@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >Ian J. Ball <IJB...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>> >>On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:
>>
>> >>> Tomorrow's advance notes:
>>
>> >>>The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)
>>
>> >>I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...
>>
>> >>And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)
>>
>> >So nothing then?
>>
>> You hate everything. The Magicians isn't great but it has some merit to it.
>
>I didn't hate you, at least until you made Dub-Dub hate me.

Did I tell you to spread gossip?

[Dimensional Traveler]

No one needs to tell Anim to spread gossip.

[anim8rfsk]

In article <p31fnb$m5c$1...@dont-email.me>,

It was cruel of me to repeat that someone called two women beautiful.

[Adam H. Kerman]

anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>Ian J. Ball <IJB...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>On 2018-01-07 17:45:10 +0000, Robin Miller said:

>>>>>>> Tomorrow's advance notes:

>>>>>>>The Brave (season 1 winter premiere) (10 pm, NBC)

>>>>>>I'm actually looking forward to the return of this one...

>>>>>>And "The Magaicians" and "Victoria" should be starting up soon too... :)

>>>>>So nothing then?

>>>>You hate everything. The Magicians isn't great but it has some merit to it.

>>>I didn't hate you, at least until you made Dub-Dub hate me.

>>Did I tell you to spread gossip?

>It was cruel of me to repeat that someone called two women beautiful.

Hehehehehe

[Adam H. Kerman]

shawn <nanof...@notformailgmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 08:56:13 -0500, Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>On 1/7/2018 11:59 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>>> Robin Miller wrote:
>>
>>>> Has CBS promoted Wisdom of the Crowd at all? I'm not watching anything
>>>> else on CBS so far this season so I wouldn't know. It seems to me that
>>>> they pretty much washed their hands of the show after the
>>>> abuse/assault allegations came out. I didn't realize there were five
>>>> women now:
>>>>
>>>>
>https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wisdom-of-the-crowd-canceled-jeremy-piven_us_5a1c8341e4b0e2ddcbb20ff4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to this, Piven tweeted on Nov. 27 that the show would not
>>>> continue.
>>>>
>>>> --Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently Piven passed a lie detector test:
>>>
>>>
>http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jeremy-piven-groping-allegations-lie-detector-test-arianne-bellamar-entourage-a8066891.html
>>
>>Interesting. Of course the Arizona Football Coach that was fired after
>>a sexual harassment investigation found no evidence against him also
>>passed a lie detector test. I guess such test results don't matter.
>
>That's not how it works. If you have a lie detector test and fail then
>you are obviously guilty.

Can't you just be nervous or intimidated?