What Did You Watch? 2021-09-18 (Saturday)

[Ubiquitous]

On Casandra Peterson's birthday, I watched:

MOVIE MACABRE:
• "Monstroid". A rural Colombian village is attacked by a horrible sea
serpent, aroused by industrial pollution of a nearby lake.

• "They Came from Beyond Space". After a team of scientists are
dispatched to investigate the remnants of a meteor shower, they return
controlled by a mysterious alien force. Meanwhile, nearby town
residents are infected with the deadly "Crimson Plague."

• "The Doomsday Machine". In an effort to further explore the galaxy,
the United States is hours away from launching a manned mission to
Venus. But when a Chinese plot to destroy the Earth is uncovered, the
U.S. teams up with the Soviet Union to replace members of its all-male
crew with women. Now, it?s up to the crew of Project Astra to keep the
human race alive and thriving.

• "The Devil's Wedding Night". A quest for the mythical Ring of
Vermougglian leads the Schiller brothers to Transylvania and Castle
Dracula, where they find more than they bargained for in the castle's
current resident and her undead servant.

• "Legacy of Blood". In order to qualify to inherit the family fortune,
the four heirs, their in-laws, and the household servants must spend
the night in the family estate. However, during the night someone
starts killing them off.

Elvira is a better "creature feature" host than Svenghoulie.


What did you watch?

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Trump won.

[Ian J. Ball]

On 2021-09-19 08:30:41 +0000, Ubiquitous said:

> What did you watch?

Saturday is "movie day", so I mostly did that...:

soaps: DOOL - Thur's ep: Tripp takes bakery owners Allie and Chanel to
lunch to celebrate after their successful launch, and then Johnny shows
up and tells them about his "film" (which now has a script, entirely
thanks to *Will*, not Johnny!), and then Johnny suggests that Allie
play their mom, Sami, in the film! which is funny as Allie does kind of
look like "Young Sami" and she's certainly "busty" enough for the part!
Meanwhile, Paulina goes to Marlena, and under the guise of "therapy"
admits to Marlena the entire truth about Lani's parentage. And Kayla
tests Doug's mental facilities, finds nothing wrong and gives him a
clean bill of health, but then Julie drags him back to Kayla after Doug
grabs Paulina's butt! (FTR, I'm thinking "(mini?) stroke(s)" as the
explanation here...)
GH - This has already gotten tedious - Sonny gets himself out of the
burning bar, and then they are all taken to the hospital, but Sonny is
back to being "Sonny", which means he's already being a total asshole
to Nina again, and I'm back to hating his guts. Meanwhile, FauxCarly
and Jason "get married" [hurl!] and then seemingly get blown up by a
car bomb set by the rival mob families (at Cyrus Renault's prompting),
but I'm about 100% positive Jason already anticipated this... On
Monday: More asshole Sonny yelling at Nina, and taking no
responsibility for his own actions.

Fear, Inc. (Tubi) - This 2017 film? Think "The Game", reimagined as a
"horror-comedy" (though, honestly, I don't think this film had enough
of the "comedy").
The film opens Abigail Breslin being chased through a parking garage
by a masked figure with a bludeoning weapon, while continuously trying
to call an outfit called "Fear, Inc." on her cellphone to "call it
off". At the end, she seems to successfully "call it off", but is then
apparently strangled to death in her car.
We then shift gears completely to your general young California
wastrel/slacker named Joe (Lucas Neff). As is par for the course for
this scenario in TV and film, Joe has a girlfriend who is way too hott
and successful to be his girlfriend (Caitlin Stasey - weirder: Neff and
Stasey were actually married *in real life* around the time this was
filmed in 2015!). Anyway, a married couple of friends (Chris Marquette
(hey! he's still around!!) and Stephanie Drake) visit them for
Halloween, and Joe is soon given a business card from a stranger for
"Fear, Inc.", for those who want "a *real* scare".
Of course, Joe can't resist the urge to call Fear, Inc. for a "real
scare", despite Marquette's character telling him it's a terrible idea.
From here, you can guess where this is going to go, though this
ultimately ends up with a very *dark* ending, probably an ending that
is much too dark for a supposed "horror-comedy".

Sleepwalker (Prime) - This 2017 film (though filmed in *2014*) starts
really promisingly.
A woman named Sarah Foster (Ahna O'Reilly, appropriately
attractively Irish-looking, and who is in a nightgown for much of this
film!) is suffering from sleepwalking and a general lack of sleeping
properly (along with nightmares), as we see in the film's opening
scene. She is seeing a shrink (Izabella Scorupco!), and is then
referred to a "sleep clinic" run by a Dr. Scott White (Richard
Armitage) whom Sarah takes an immediate shine to. So, she goes to sleep
for her first night in the sleep clinic.
When she wakes up, she's in a different room (White and coworkers
claimed they moved her during the night, without her waking up!). OK,
so she then goes to her university class where everyone in the class
insists that her name is "Sarah Wells", not "Sarah Cooper"!
WTF?!! (And then things get weirder from there! with more different
"realities"!?!)
At this point there's only two possible explanations: a sci-fi one
(e.g. she's jumping realities while sleeping!), or a "psychological"
one (her sleep condition is messing with her mind, severly!)... But, at
this point in the film, it had my attention!!
Unfortunately, I was dissatisfied with the ultimate
explanation/resolution to this, and I didn't care for the ending,
either.
This is another one of those films that should be remade with this
basic premise, but then hopefully "fixed" in terms of "how/what" they
do with it.

Imperfect High (Lifetime) - I didn't watch all of this, nor give it my
full attention. Ali Skovbye turns up in this playing a similar role to
Daniela Bobadilla in the original "Perfect High" TV film - basically as
the new "bestie" that gets our heroine hooked on drugs.
This didn't seem very good, and they don't leave enough time at the
end of the film to properly resolve the addiction dilemna they had
created.

The Price of Fitting In (Lifetime) - This Canuck TV film, OTOH, I liked
a lot more than "Imperfect High" - I might even go so far as to say
that I was surprised it was as good as it was.
This stars/"introduces" Elizabeth Adams (who really comes off as
younger, somewhat less attractive doppelganger to Canuck Ashley
Leggat!) as "Charlie" - Charlie is already a recovering addict, whose
parents are split, and whose mother has moved her to a new school
(apparently Charlie was bullied and despised at her old school
anyway!). Of course, all of the pressures associated with all of this -
esp. her unrelaible flake of a deadbeat father - along with a new bully
(Alicia Rosario) at the new school, causes Charlie to relapse.
I thought Adams was pretty good in this, and while this isn't
breaking any new ground, and is frustating in parts to watch (addicts
are never a "fun" watch!!), the film itself is decent.


Recorded for later: Perfect High (off Lifetime, 'cos it's not available
anywhere else).


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"Who would ever do this to him!?" - HottCiara on DOOL (04-27-2020), asking
who would stab Victor Kirakis... How about ANYONE WHO'S EVER MET HIM??!!

[Arthur Lipscomb]

On 9/19/2021 9:08 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
> On 2021-09-19 08:30:41 +0000, Ubiquitous said:
>
>> What did you watch?
>
> Saturday is "movie day", so I mostly did that...:
>

snip

>
> Fear, Inc. (Tubi) - This 2017 film? Think "The Game", reimagined as a
> "horror-comedy" (though, honestly, I don't think this film had enough of
> the "comedy").
>   The film opens Abigail Breslin being chased through a parking garage
> by a masked figure with a bludeoning weapon, while continuously trying
> to call an outfit called "Fear, Inc." on her cellphone to "call it off".
> At the end, she seems to successfully "call it off", but is then
> apparently strangled to death in her car.
>   We then shift gears completely to your general young California
> wastrel/slacker named Joe (Lucas Neff). As is par for the course for
> this scenario in TV and film, Joe has a girlfriend who is way too hott
> and successful to be his girlfriend (Caitlin Stasey - weirder: Neff and
> Stasey were actually married *in real life* around the time this was
> filmed in 2015!). Anyway, a married couple of friends (Chris Marquette
> (hey! he's still around!!) and Stephanie Drake) visit them for
> Halloween, and Joe is soon given a business card from a stranger for
> "Fear, Inc.", for those who want "a *real* scare".
>   Of course, Joe can't resist the urge to call Fear, Inc. for a "real
> scare", despite Marquette's character telling him it's a terrible idea.
>   From here, you can guess where this is going to go, though this
> ultimately ends up with a very *dark* ending, probably an ending that is
> much too dark for a supposed "horror-comedy".
>

The name sounds familiar, but I'm thinking I've never seen this before.

Added to the watch list. I might actually get to this one soon.

> Imperfect High (Lifetime) - I didn't watch all of this, nor give it my
> full attention. Ali Skovbye turns up in this playing a similar role to
> Daniela Bobadilla in the original "Perfect High" TV film - basically as
> the new "bestie" that gets our heroine hooked on drugs.
>   This didn't seem very good, and they don't leave enough time at the
> end of the film to properly resolve the addiction dilemna they had created.
>
> The Price of Fitting In (Lifetime) - This Canuck TV film, OTOH, I liked
> a lot more than "Imperfect High" - I might even go so far as to say that
> I was surprised it was as good as it was.
>   This stars/"introduces" Elizabeth Adams (who really comes off as
> younger, somewhat less attractive doppelganger to Canuck Ashley Leggat!)
> as "Charlie" - Charlie is already a recovering addict, whose parents are
> split, and whose mother has moved her to a new school (apparently
> Charlie was bullied and despised at her old school anyway!). Of course,
> all of the pressures associated with all of this - esp. her unrelaible
> flake of a deadbeat father - along with a new bully (Alicia Rosario) at
> the new school, causes Charlie to relapse.
>   I thought Adams was pretty good in this, and while this isn't
> breaking any new ground, and is frustating in parts to watch (addicts
> are never a "fun" watch!!), the film itself is decent.
>
>
> Recorded for later: Perfect High (off Lifetime, 'cos it's not available
> anywhere else).
>
>

I think this will be another two day catch-up. I'm still deep into
planning my home theater upgrade, and pretty much all of my free time
has been taken over by that. But I was able to background noise:


Young Sherlock Holmes (Streaming on Epix) - I have been waiting years
for this to get a blu-ray upgrade. I'm tired of waiting and broke down
and finally decided to watch it after noticing it had a HD print
available for streaming. This is the classic 1985 fantasy movie
directed by Barry Levison which explains how Holmes met Watson and had
their first big adventure together. The movie holds up very well. And
Nicholas Rowe is probably my favorite Sherlock Holmes. He's not a
particularly famous actor, and I don't have anything else in my
collection that he's in. But I was watching him in an interview a few
years ago from some random movie that he had a roll in, and he mentioned
the director was a huge fan of Young Sherlock Holmes. He may not be
particularly famous, but he definitely has fans from the movie that
still recognize him today from it.


Sherlock Holmes (blu-ray) 2009 action movie directed by Guy Ritchie and
Starring Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Holmes and Jude Law as his sidekick
Dr. War Machine. The two of them spend the movie having slow motion
fights and trading one liners with Rachel McAdams' "Irene Adler" as they
try to stop Mark Strong from twirling his evil mustache. Apparently
Iron Holmes is supposed to be a brilliant detective. I know this
because the movie says so. Although I personally would have preferred
it if at some point in the movie Iron Holmes deduced something using
logic and reason, but there probably wasn't enough time for both that
and the fight scenes. However, I did like that when this movie opened
the plot was *very* similar to the plot of Young Sherlock Holmes, where
in each case Holmes had to investigate a cult that was kidnapping and
murdering young women. I don't think I ever caught that connection
before now.


Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (blu-ray) Guy Ritchie returns to
direct Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law in an even bigger, louder, more
actiony adventure. This time Iron Holmes has to match fists, I mean
wits, against Professional Moriaty (Jared Harris). I don't know, maybe
I liked this more than the first one. Technically, they aren't bad
movies, but they aren't really Sherlock Holmes movies either.


Queen Sugar - "And Dream with Them Deeply" - A character, who I have no
memory of, takes the lead as he winds up in the hospital and there's a
huge fight over if the family will be allowed to visit him after his
estranged daughter shows up and kicks everyone out of the hospital.


The Night (Netflix rental) This is a new Iranian psychological horror
movie. Wiki says it's a U.S. co-production, and Netflix says it's an
English language movie. But calling this an English language movie is
misleading at best. I'd estimate a good 70% of the movie is in Farsi.
And to make matters worse, there are a couple of times in the movie when
the characters start speaking Farsi and instead of translating the
closed captions say, "speaking foreign language." Anyway the plot
involves a husband, wife, and their new baby in the U.S. (it took me
half the movie before I realized it was set in the U.S.) who are leaving
a friend's house and stop at a hotel for the night. Before checking in
they may or may not have been in a car accident where the drunk husband
may or may not have hit something. It seemed clear enough hit hit
something, but what he hit is left intentionally vague. Once they check
into the hotel things take a turn for the haunted as the pair experience
a nightmarish time with what's real and what's not is no longer clear.
Think of it as a low budget version of "1408." I guess it's an OK
psychological horror movie, but it helps going in to know that it's
mostly in Farsi.

[Ian J. Ball]

On 2021-09-19 20:28:45 +0000, Arthur Lipscomb said:

> On 9/19/2021 9:08 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>> On 2021-09-19 08:30:41 +0000, Ubiquitous said:
>>
>>> What did you watch?
>>
>> Saturday is "movie day", so I mostly did that...:
>>
> snip
>>
>> Fear, Inc. (Tubi) - This 2017 film? Think "The Game", reimagined as a
>> "horror-comedy" (though, honestly, I don't think this film had enough
>> of the "comedy").
>

> The name sounds familiar, but I'm thinking I've never seen this before.

You may confusing it with the 2008 NBC anthology series, "Fear Itself".

> I think this will be another two day catch-up. I'm still deep into
> planning my home theater upgrade, and pretty much all of my free time
> has been taken over by that. But I was able to background noise:

> [snip]

>
> The Night (Netflix rental) This is a new Iranian psychological horror
> movie. Wiki says it's a U.S. co-production, and Netflix says it's an
> English language movie. But calling this an English language movie is
> misleading at best. I'd estimate a good 70% of the movie is in Farsi.
> And to make matters worse, there are a couple of times in the movie
> when the characters start speaking Farsi and instead of translating the
> closed captions say, "speaking foreign language." Anyway the plot
> involves a husband, wife, and their new baby in the U.S. (it took me
> half the movie before I realized it was set in the U.S.) who are
> leaving a friend's house and stop at a hotel for the night. Before
> checking in they may or may not have been in a car accident where the
> drunk husband may or may not have hit something. It seemed clear
> enough hit hit something, but what he hit is left intentionally vague.
> Once they check into the hotel things take a turn for the haunted as
> the pair experience a nightmarish time with what's real and what's not
> is no longer clear. Think of it as a low budget version of "1408." I
> guess it's an OK psychological horror movie, but it helps going in to
> know that it's mostly in Farsi.

Meh...

[anim8rfsk]

Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 9/19/2021 9:08 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>> On 2021-09-19 08:30:41 +0000, Ubiquitous said:
>>
>>> What did you watch?
>>
>> Saturday is "movie day", so I mostly did that...:
>>
>>
>

> I think this will be another two day catch-up. I'm still deep into
> planning my home theater upgrade, and pretty much all of my free time
> has been taken over by that. But I was able to background noise:
>
>

Sounds awesome. You’ll have to have us all over when it’s done.

> Young Sherlock Holmes (Streaming on Epix) - I have been waiting years
> for this to get a blu-ray upgrade. I'm tired of waiting and broke down
> and finally decided to watch it after noticing it had a HD print
> available for streaming. This is the classic 1985 fantasy movie
> directed by Barry Levison which explains how Holmes met Watson and had
> their first big adventure together.

Except this isn’t it. The first adventure is well documented. I wish this
movie had been smart enough to have them running around in continuity
somehow. Like Holmes is in disguise and Watson never knows his real name. I
never got past that fact. Maybe not have Watson in it at all, which would
give you the option of killing off the sidekick character or at least
making the audience think he’s really in mortal danger.

The excellent Fu Manchu novel “10 Years Beyond Baker Street” has Dr. Petrie
teaming up with a retired Holmes to foil the evil doctor. It works very
well in letting us see Holmes through fresh eyes. And it’s absolutely
slavish to the continuity of both book series.

The movie holds up very well. And
> Nicholas Rowe is probably my favorite Sherlock Holmes. He’s not a
> particularly famous actor, and I don’t have anything else in my
> collection that he’s in. But I was watching him in an interview a few
> years ago from some random movie that he had a roll in, and he mentioned
> the director was a huge fan of Young Sherlock Holmes. He may not be
> particularly famous, but he definitely has fans from the movie that
> still recognize him today from it.
>
>
> Sherlock Holmes (blu-ray) 2009 action movie directed by Guy Ritchie and
> Starring Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Holmes and Jude Law as his sidekick

I love RDJ as Stark and thought I was absolutely going to hate this movie
and I absolutely adored it instead.

> Dr. War Machine. The two of them spend the movie having slow motion
> fights and trading one liners with Rachel McAdams' "Irene Adler" as they
> try to stop Mark Strong from twirling his evil mustache. Apparently
> Iron Holmes is supposed to be a brilliant detective. I know this
> because the movie says so. Although I personally would have preferred
> it if at some point in the movie Iron Holmes deduced something using
> logic and reason, but there probably wasn't enough time for both that

At least he was smart, nay, brilliant here. The vast majority of Sherlock
Holmes movies and TV shows can’t present a brilliant Holmes because the
people making the movie are rather dull themselves so they end up making
Sherlock a normal guy and then make Watson a moron to make Sherlock look
smart by comparison. Watson was never a moron in the books.

The other way they go is to have him picking up clues nobody could ever
possibly know as if they’re doing some sort of satirical comedy.

> and the fight scenes. However, I did like that when this movie opened
> the plot was *very* similar to the plot of Young Sherlock Holmes, where
> in each case Holmes had to investigate a cult that was kidnapping and
> murdering young women. I don’t think I ever caught that connection
> before now.
>
>
> Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (blu-ray) Guy Ritchie returns to
> direct Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law in an even bigger, louder, more
> actiony adventure. This time Iron Holmes has to match fists, I mean
> wits, against Professional Moriaty (Jared Harris). I don't know, maybe
> I liked this more than the first one. Technically, they aren't bad
> movies, but they aren't really Sherlock Holmes movies either.
>

So few are.

One thing I don’t particularly care for is that they always go to the
Moriarity and/or Adler well. How many times can we be shocked when the
evil Professor shows up? As much as I love the BBC Sherlock they were
seriously guilty of this. Elementary (which I’ve binged in it’s entirely
recently) came close as well although it was diluted because they made
about 10 times as many episodes as Sherlock did.

But I like both the RDJ Movies a lot and have them in the Sherlock Holmes
folder on my cloud Drive.


—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

[Arthur Lipscomb]

On 9/19/2021 2:50 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> On 9/19/2021 9:08 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-19 08:30:41 +0000, Ubiquitous said:
>>>
>>>> What did you watch?
>>>
>>> Saturday is "movie day", so I mostly did that...:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think this will be another two day catch-up. I'm still deep into
>> planning my home theater upgrade, and pretty much all of my free time
>> has been taken over by that. But I was able to background noise:
>>
>>
>
> Sounds awesome. You’ll have to have us all over when it’s done.
>

LOL.

>
>> Young Sherlock Holmes (Streaming on Epix) - I have been waiting years
>> for this to get a blu-ray upgrade. I'm tired of waiting and broke down
>> and finally decided to watch it after noticing it had a HD print
>> available for streaming. This is the classic 1985 fantasy movie
>> directed by Barry Levison which explains how Holmes met Watson and had
>> their first big adventure together.
>
> Except this isn’t it. The first adventure is well documented. I wish this
> movie had been smart enough to have them running around in continuity
> somehow. Like Holmes is in disguise and Watson never knows his real name. I
> never got past that fact. Maybe not have Watson in it at all, which would
> give you the option of killing off the sidekick character or at least
> making the audience think he’s really in mortal danger.
>
> The excellent Fu Manchu novel “10 Years Beyond Baker Street” has Dr. Petrie
> teaming up with a retired Holmes to foil the evil doctor. It works very
> well in letting us see Holmes through fresh eyes. And it’s absolutely
> slavish to the continuity of both book series.
>
>

There's a disclaimer at the start of the movie that acknowledges it's
not in continuity with the books. I guess it helps that I never read
any of the books. And I can't say for certain, but there is a good
chance Young Sherlock Holmes was the first Holmes movie I ever saw, so
it also helped to shape my perception of Holmes.

Give it another shot in its' own right. It's a really good story. Just
pretend it's Holme's nephew or something.

>> wits, against Professor Moriaty (Jared Harris). I don't know, maybe

>> I liked this more than the first one. Technically, they aren't bad
>> movies, but they aren't really Sherlock Holmes movies either.
>>
>
> So few are.
>
> One thing I don’t particularly care for is that they always go to the
> Moriarity and/or Adler well. How many times can we be shocked when the
> evil Professor shows up? As much as I love the BBC Sherlock they were
> seriously guilty of this. Elementary (which I’ve binged in it’s entirely
> recently) came close as well although it was diluted because they made
> about 10 times as many episodes as Sherlock did.
>
> But I like both the RDJ Movies a lot and have them in the Sherlock Holmes
> folder on my cloud Drive.
>
>

I don't hate RDJ's performance, or even the movies. I think this was
only my second time seeing the second movie. They just didn't really
come off as a Sherlock movie. Especially the first one. At least the
second one had Moriarty as the villain. I also suspect I liked them a
lot more when I saw them in the theater.

[anim8rfsk]

Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 9/19/2021 2:50 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>> On 9/19/2021 9:08 AM, Ian J. Ball wrote:
>>>> On 2021-09-19 08:30:41 +0000, Ubiquitous said:
>>>>
>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>
>>>> Saturday is "movie day", so I mostly did that...:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think this will be another two day catch-up. I'm still deep into
>>> planning my home theater upgrade, and pretty much all of my free time
>>> has been taken over by that. But I was able to background noise:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sounds awesome. You’ll have to have us all over when it’s done.
>>
>
> LOL.
>

:)

>>
>>> Young Sherlock Holmes (Streaming on Epix) - I have been waiting years
>>> for this to get a blu-ray upgrade. I'm tired of waiting and broke down
>>> and finally decided to watch it after noticing it had a HD print
>>> available for streaming. This is the classic 1985 fantasy movie
>>> directed by Barry Levison which explains how Holmes met Watson and had
>>> their first big adventure together.
>>
>> Except this isn’t it. The first adventure is well documented. I wish this
>> movie had been smart enough to have them running around in continuity
>> somehow. Like Holmes is in disguise and Watson never knows his real name. I
>> never got past that fact. Maybe not have Watson in it at all, which would
>> give you the option of killing off the sidekick character or at least
>> making the audience think he’s really in mortal danger.
>>
>> The excellent Fu Manchu novel “10 Years Beyond Baker Street” has Dr. Petrie
>> teaming up with a retired Holmes to foil the evil doctor. It works very
>> well in letting us see Holmes through fresh eyes. And it’s absolutely
>> slavish to the continuity of both book series.
>>
>>
>
> There's a disclaimer at the start of the movie that acknowledges it's
> not in continuity with the books. I guess it helps that I never read
> any of the books.

Oh, God, that would help tremendously. The way it must help the new trek
people that they never watched the original show.

And I can’t say for certain, but there is a good
> chance Young Sherlock Holmes was the first Holmes movie I ever saw, so
> it also helped to shape my perception of Holmes.
>

Agreed. I am sure the first version I ever saw had to be Basil Rathbone.
They used to show those on Saturday mornings and I was hopelessly confused
as to how he went back-and-forth between the 1880s and the 1940s.

> Give it another shot in its' own right. It's a really good story. Just
> pretend it's Holme's nephew or something.
>

Yeah, that would’ve actually helped. I can handle the adventures of
Sherlock Holmes smarter brother. I don’t mind the sister that they snuck
into the Sherlock show at all. I don’t mind the version that made Mrs.
Watson hot because it’s the movies that made her old it never says in the
books that she’s an old lady. I don’t mind the multiple versions where
they’ve made Watson female although I think it helps that all those are set
in a different century so it’s clearly different characters anyway.
Although that obnoxious little girl on the bicycle that supposed to be his
niece or something, that’s just terrible, but it would be terrible whether
or not they called it Holmes.

Younger Sherlock comes up fairly often in my line of work because of the
Stainglass window which they tout as being the first CGI ever on screen,
Which is one of those things that’s true if you put a whole lot of extra
modifiers in front of it, the same way Snow White is the first animated
feature as long as you sneak the additional descriptors like “cel, color,
sound, full length“ in there. These are things students in animation class
think they know and you have to be prepared for. I’ve seen just that
sequence countless times and the rest of the movie only once on cable long
long ago. I don’t recall the disclaimer at all. If I did that would
definitely help.

>
>> The movie holds up very well. And
>>> Nicholas Rowe is probably my favorite Sherlock Holmes.

Have you seen the British television series with Jeremy Brett?

He’s not a
>>> particularly famous actor, and I don’t have anything else in my
>>> collection that he’s in. But I was watching him in an interview a few
>>> years ago from some random movie that he had a roll in, and he mentioned
>>> the director was a huge fan of Young Sherlock Holmes. He may not be
>>> particularly famous, but he definitely has fans from the movie that
>>> still recognize him today from it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sherlock Holmes (blu-ray) 2009 action movie directed by Guy Ritchie and
>>> Starring Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Holmes and Jude Law as his sidekick
>>
>> I love RDJ as Stark and thought I was absolutely going to hate this movie
>> and I absolutely adored it instead.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dr. War Machine.

I don’t think that’s fair. I think Watson, especially on screen, is usually
more closely Happy Hogan. Watson in the BBC show Sherlock is more war
machine.

The two of them spend the movie having slow motion
>>> fights and trading one liners with Rachel McAdams' "Irene Adler" as they
>>> try to stop Mark Strong from twirling his evil mustache. Apparently
>>> Iron Holmes is supposed to be a brilliant detective. I know this
>>> because the movie says so. Although I personally would have preferred
>>> it if at some point in the movie Iron Holmes deduced something using

How about that dinner scene with Watson’s fiancé where Holmes tears her
claimed life history apart just based on irregularities in what she’s
wearing?

Nor do I, but I thought I would. I think it’s mostly that RDJ isn’t
British. It’s like every time they bring up an American to play 007.

I think this was
> only my second time seeing the second movie. They just didn’t really
> come off as a Sherlock movie. Especially the first one. At least the
> second one had Moriarty as the villain. I also suspect I liked them a
> lot more when I saw them in the theater.
>

Yes, they are big screen spectacle movies for sure.

[Ubiquitous]

In article <si86i0$beg$1...@dont-email.me>, art...@alum.calberkeley.org wrote:

>Young Sherlock Holmes (Streaming on Epix) - I have been waiting years
>for this to get a blu-ray upgrade. I'm tired of waiting and broke down
>and finally decided to watch it after noticing it had a HD print
>available for streaming. This is the classic 1985 fantasy movie
>directed by Barry Levison which explains how Holmes met Watson and had
>their first big adventure together. The movie holds up very well. And
>Nicholas Rowe is probably my favorite Sherlock Holmes. He's not a
>particularly famous actor, and I don't have anything else in my
>collection that he's in. But I was watching him in an interview a few
>years ago from some random movie that he had a roll in, and he mentioned
>the director was a huge fan of Young Sherlock Holmes. He may not be
>particularly famous, but he definitely has fans from the movie that
>still recognize him today from it.

I remember liking it at the time. Wasn't Speilberg involved and got sued
by the Doyle estate?

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[anim8rfsk]

Spielberg’s behind it. I don’t recall any legal trouble although the estate
sued that horrible new Enola version.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

I was mistaken, the disclaimer is at the end of the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG8T-YjBptk

I suspect a lot of the new Trek people weren't even born yet when TNG
aired, let alone TOS.

I doubt it, but I couldn't say with 100% certainty.

>
> He’s not a
>>>> particularly famous actor, and I don’t have anything else in my
>>>> collection that he’s in. But I was watching him in an interview a few
>>>> years ago from some random movie that he had a roll in, and he mentioned
>>>> the director was a huge fan of Young Sherlock Holmes. He may not be
>>>> particularly famous, but he definitely has fans from the movie that
>>>> still recognize him today from it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sherlock Holmes (blu-ray) 2009 action movie directed by Guy Ritchie and
>>>> Starring Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Holmes and Jude Law as his sidekick
>>>
>>> I love RDJ as Stark and thought I was absolutely going to hate this movie
>>> and I absolutely adored it instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dr. War Machine.
>
> I don’t think that’s fair. I think Watson, especially on screen, is usually
> more closely Happy Hogan. Watson in the BBC show Sherlock is more war
> machine.
>

Yeah, I was definitely thinking of him when I made the comparison,
because on the BBC version they constantly go on about how he was a
military medic. But hey, it was what I had to work with. ;-)

>
> The two of them spend the movie having slow motion
>>>> fights and trading one liners with Rachel McAdams' "Irene Adler" as they
>>>> try to stop Mark Strong from twirling his evil mustache. Apparently
>>>> Iron Holmes is supposed to be a brilliant detective. I know this
>>>> because the movie says so. Although I personally would have preferred
>>>> it if at some point in the movie Iron Holmes deduced something using
>
> How about that dinner scene with Watson’s fiancé where Holmes tears her
> claimed life history apart just based on irregularities in what she’s
> wearing?
>

But he was wrong.

Yeah, that.

> I think this was
>> only my second time seeing the second movie. They just didn’t really
>> come off as a Sherlock movie. Especially the first one. At least the
>> second one had Moriarty as the villain. I also suspect I liked them a
>> lot more when I saw them in the theater.
>>
>
> Yes, they are big screen spectacle movies for sure.
>

Once my home theater is upgraded I'll be able to watch big screen
spectacles on an actual big screen. It's one of the reasons why I'm
avoiding watching certain movies until after the upgrade. :-)

[anim8rfsk]

Oh well no wonder then. :-)

> I suspect a lot of the new Trek people weren't even born yet when TNG
> aired, let alone TOS.
>

Yep. And they aren’t impressed when I do my Shatner impression and say “but
that’s not the way it happened!”

That’s widely considered the most faithful adaptations, especially in the
early seasons (they started adding gratuitous chases and stuff towards the
end) and for many people Brett is the definitive Holmes. Me, I sort of
like watching other people take their stabs at the character.

>>
>> He’s not a
>>>>> particularly famous actor, and I don’t have anything else in my
>>>>> collection that he’s in. But I was watching him in an interview a few
>>>>> years ago from some random movie that he had a roll in, and he mentioned
>>>>> the director was a huge fan of Young Sherlock Holmes. He may not be
>>>>> particularly famous, but he definitely has fans from the movie that
>>>>> still recognize him today from it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sherlock Holmes (blu-ray) 2009 action movie directed by Guy Ritchie and
>>>>> Starring Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Holmes and Jude Law as his sidekick
>>>>
>>>> I love RDJ as Stark and thought I was absolutely going to hate this movie
>>>> and I absolutely adored it instead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dr. War Machine.
>>
>> I don’t think that’s fair. I think Watson, especially on screen, is usually
>> more closely Happy Hogan. Watson in the BBC show Sherlock is more war
>> machine.
>>
>
> Yeah, I was definitely thinking of him when I made the comparison,
> because on the BBC version they constantly go on about how he was a
> military medic. But hey, it was what I had to work with. ;-)
>

Got it.

>>
>> The two of them spend the movie having slow motion
>>>>> fights and trading one liners with Rachel McAdams' "Irene Adler" as they
>>>>> try to stop Mark Strong from twirling his evil mustache. Apparently
>>>>> Iron Holmes is supposed to be a brilliant detective. I know this
>>>>> because the movie says so. Although I personally would have preferred
>>>>> it if at some point in the movie Iron Holmes deduced something using
>>
>> How about that dinner scene with Watson’s fiancé where Holmes tears her
>> claimed life history apart just based on irregularities in what she’s
>> wearing?
>>
>
> But he was wrong.
>

Hee hee

Seriously, I don’t think the suggestions of black women in the role bother
me nearly as much as the ones to toss in an American.

>
>> I think this was
>>> only my second time seeing the second movie. They just didn’t really
>>> come off as a Sherlock movie. Especially the first one. At least the
>>> second one had Moriarty as the villain. I also suspect I liked them a
>>> lot more when I saw them in the theater.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, they are big screen spectacle movies for sure.
>>
>
> Once my home theater is upgraded I'll be able to watch big screen
> spectacles on an actual big screen. It's one of the reasons why I'm
> avoiding watching certain movies until after the upgrade. :-)
>

How big are you going? They’ve got those Sony OLEDs in the 80 inch range
now… A friend of mine just got a set and IM’d to me about it. Let me see if
I can find that…

OK here’s what he had to say:

“not sure why you posted a link about 4k tvs, but we just upgraded to the
Sony 65" Class X90J Smart LED 4K TV and its unbelieveably great”

“she acutally bought the 85" for me, but I went and measured the space, and
it would have blocked the hallway.”

I might mention he’s a video producer and connoisseur.

[Ubiquitous]

anim...@cox.net wrote:
> Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

>> Sherlock Holmes (blu-ray) 2009 action movie directed by Guy Ritchie and
>> Starring Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Holmes and Jude Law as his sidekick

>> Dr. War Machine. The two of them spend the movie having slow motion
>> fights and trading one liners with Rachel McAdams' "Irene Adler" as they
>> try to stop Mark Strong from twirling his evil mustache. Apparently
>> Iron Holmes is supposed to be a brilliant detective. I know this
>> because the movie says so. Although I personally would have preferred
>> it if at some point in the movie Iron Holmes deduced something using
>> logic and reason, but there probably wasn't enough time for both that
>
>At least he was smart, nay, brilliant here. The vast majority of Sherlock
>Holmes movies and TV shows can't present a brilliant Holmes because the
>people making the movie are rather dull themselves so they end up making
>Sherlock a normal guy and then make Watson a moron to make Sherlock look
>smart by comparison. Watson was never a moron in the books.

I did not know Watson's not sppsd to be a moron!

I never liked Sherlock Holmes. He seems to be Arthur Doyle's "Mary Sue".

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[anim8rfsk]

Nope. The writers are morons so they brought him down to their level.

>
> I never liked Sherlock Holmes. He seems to be Arthur Doyle's "Mary Sue".
>

Maybe, but I think there’s a better case for George Edward Challenger.

[Arthur Lipscomb]

I've always remembered the disclaimer. There's a post credits scene and
they show a mysterious person traveling during the credits. So I always
watched the credits all the way through. I just had it in my head that
the disclaimer came at the start.


snip

>>
>>> I think this was
>>>> only my second time seeing the second movie. They just didn’t really
>>>> come off as a Sherlock movie. Especially the first one. At least the
>>>> second one had Moriarty as the villain. I also suspect I liked them a
>>>> lot more when I saw them in the theater.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, they are big screen spectacle movies for sure.
>>>
>>
>> Once my home theater is upgraded I'll be able to watch big screen
>> spectacles on an actual big screen. It's one of the reasons why I'm
>> avoiding watching certain movies until after the upgrade. :-)
>>
>
> How big are you going? They’ve got those Sony OLEDs in the 80 inch range
> now… A friend of mine just got a set and IM’d to me about it. Let me see if
> I can find that…
>
> OK here’s what he had to say:
>
> “not sure why you posted a link about 4k tvs, but we just upgraded to the
> Sony 65" Class X90J Smart LED 4K TV and its unbelieveably great”
>
> “she acutally bought the 85" for me, but I went and measured the space, and
> it would have blocked the hallway.”
>
> I might mention he’s a video producer and connoisseur.
>
> —
> “The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
>

I'm not buying a new TV. I'm having a 4K projector and projector screen
installed. That will allow me to go much bigger than a traditional TV,
and keep my 3D. I'll probably go with 120 inch motorized screen that
will drop down in front of my TV. The problem is my living room is full
of sunlight from windows and painted a light color. Both of which are
huge no-nos for a proper projector and screen set up. I'm actively
exploring solutions, including painting my living room a dark color.
I've already ordered new blackout curtains to take care of the
sunlight/window problem.

[A Friend]

In article
<1973028108.653858455.2...@news.easynews.com>,

> Maybe, but I think there零 a better case for George Edward Challenger.


Yes. That. Doyle modeled Holmes on a teacher he much admired.

BTW the portrayal of Watson in the Rathbone films neglects one
important thing: Afterward, it was impossible to do a Holmes film
without Watson.

[Ubiquitous]

I thought the disclaimer was added after someone threatened to sue the
producer.

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[Ubiquitous]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot he was another Doyle character! Fun show, tho.
I thought Doyle only wrote Sherlock Holmes stories.

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[anim8rfsk]

Nope, and he was very annoyed with people that thought that. That’s why he
killed Holmes but ended up having to bring him back by popular demand.

[A Friend]

In article
<499648138.653937201.97...@news.easynews.com>,

> Nope, and he was very annoyed with people that thought that. That零 why he

> killed Holmes but ended up having to bring him back by popular demand.

Doyle killed off Holmes, all right, but he did so in an ambiguous way.
If Doyle had really wanted him dead, he'd have put the body in front of
a weepy Watson.

I recall a comedy in which Ben Kingsley as Watson was the brains of the
duo. Michael Caine was Holmes. Very funny. (Arty Morty!)

[Micky DuPree]

Arthur Lipscomb <art...@alum.calberkeley.org> writes:

> On 9/19/2021 10:20 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:

>> Have you seen the British television series [_The Adventures of
>> Sherlock Holmes_] with Jeremy Brett?

>
> I doubt it, but I couldn't say with 100% certainty.

My favorite. The best depiction of the bipolar extremes between his
hypomania when he has a case and his depression when he doesn't. The
first season is the best. I think his performance drops off a bit
after that, but he lost his wife somewhere along in there, and his own
health started to suffer.

-Micky