What? He exposed your favorite hobby?
Spoken like a true child molestor.
>
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15066391/
> "Potential predators in Petaluma
>
> A new investigation, a new set-up (in the backyard), and more men
> caught on camera in a town already home to two high-profile predator
> cases
>
> TRANSCRIPT
> By Chris Hansen
> Correspondent
> NBC News"
>
What gets me is that the perverts actually fall for it, whether they've seen
Dateline or not. What are the odds that a 13 year old girl is going to
invite a fat 40 year old guy over? They're sick AND stupid.
Corrupted-Justice.com
"Because Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right"
http://www.corrupted-justice.com/
Because you KNOW that sick "Del Harvey" secretly gets off on her job
BIG TIME, baby!
NBC (((deserves))) to be in the ratings toilet for keeping 'Joey' going
for two years and making mediocre 'Dateline NBC' the
all-potential-pedophiles-exposed channel.
Ah, yes..... spoken like a simpleton who also probably thinks being
against the war in Iraq means you hate America and love terrorists, nes
pas? Same illogical.
> "D. Asgus Teng" <d...@asgus.teng> wrote in message
> news:8adth2d2kdq8ttuks...@127.0.0.1...
> > I've watched about as many of those creepy, disturbing To Catch A
> > Predator smutfests on NBC as I can take and I have to say, that smug
> > asshole Chris Hansen is the biggest creep/predator of them all. He
> > truly gives me the willies (no pun). Saw him on Oprah and the idiot
> > is as full of himself as that other creep Brian Williams. Hansen
> > can't even talk like a real person. He couldn't get out of his creepy
> > smug talking-head persona even while sitting on Oprah's couch. I bet
> > this guy gets off on all those pictures of smut he has on his show and
> > all those transcripts of sexually explicit chats he likes to wave in
> > front of the camera. There's just something real weird and perverse
> > about his eyes, facial expressions, and his whole body language.
> > There ought to be a picture of him in the dictionary under the entry
> > of CREEPY.
>
> Spoken like a true child molestor.
I was unaware that merely being critical of blow-dried plastic network
talking heads was a common trait among child abusers.
Wow. Learn something new everyday.
In one case Chris said the guy knew about the show, saw the cop cars
outside, and STILL went in...
mc
> "D. Asgus Teng" wrote:
I think we should be thankful for pedophiles. Just think, without them
there'd be no republicans.
I dunno, they've made sure no one's home...and we'd probably be
surprised what a teen girl will fall for if all they need is someone to
tell them they're pretty. :(
mc
So you're thankful for republicans?
mc
hehe ;-) Somebody's been reading the e-mails of a 16-year-old page!
Ah, yes, the Bush legacy left behind: A "Vietnam 2" and perverted and
corrupted members of the House and Senate
Just think, all this AND we (don't) look forward to the (dis) pleasure
of hearing him blame the last president and the next president for the
undisputed failures in Iraq after he's retired while he considers
himself totally blameless.
Doesn't this just make you want Canada to come rescue your poor
country? lol
> Doesn't this just make you want Canada to come rescue your poor
> country?
Nope.
Looking at all the perps last night, I was struck by one thing: why would
ANY of those guys think a cute 13-year-old girl would be interested in
them? Old, fat, weird hair, dirty, strange.....none of them even in their
late teens! Then, when caught, they'd hide their faces like they hadn't
been shown for five minutes before.
We figure that Dateline will keep doing it, until all the potential perps
get wise....and then they'll slow down. Almost all of them smelled the
rat, but couldn't resist.
Creeps. They deserve it.
Kris
Crosspostings removed
See? The internet IS educational.
-- Ken from Chicago
> We figure that Dateline will keep doing it, until all the potential perps
> get wise....and then they'll slow down.
No, Dateline will keep doing it until people get bored with the
repetition and the ratings slip, then they'll move on to the next
"controversy".
Ummm...Bush did not elect the members of the House and Senate. They
were elected by the people.
>
> What gets me is that the perverts actually fall for it, whether they've seen
> Dateline or not. What are the odds that a 13 year old girl is going to
> invite a fat 40 year old guy over? They're sick AND stupid.
Do a search for "internet child predators." It's quite a common
occurance. I'm sure a number of the offenders seen on the show have
done it "successfully" in the past.
This is a different type called "travelers" who have quite a routine
worked out.
http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/internet_child_sexual_predators.htm
<<Travelers "groom" their victims by developing trust, chatting about
the child's concerns and interests, and sympathizing with the child
over any real or imagined difficulties the child is experiencing at
home and/or school. Once a "relationship" has been established, usually
within 2-4 chats, the traveler will introduce conversation of a sexual
nature and escalate quickly. Travelers will send children cameras and
Web Cams so the child can transmit pictures (pics) and videos (vides)
of himself naked, masturbating (soloing) or simulating some other
sexual activity the predator enjoys. They also send children money and
bus or plane tickets to facilitate the child running away and joining
their new "friend". Some of these offenders are the most dangerous
people any child can meet online.>>
I liked the one where the big Sheriffs Deputy slamed that baby rapist
to the ground so hard that he was covered in blood and he had a black
eye in his mugshot...LMAO
I guess this makes Don Henley the king of child abusers.
Brandon
WRONG! They will keep doing it until the public is fully educated.
Like educating people about shark attacks.
-- Ken from Chicago
> I've watched about as many of those creepy, disturbing To Catch A
> Predator smutfests on NBC as I can take and I have to say, that smug
> asshole Chris Hansen is the biggest creep/predator of them all.
A few seconds while channel surfing was all it took for me. The principal
problem I have with this stuff is something they don't show on TV (so far as
I know, perhaps someone who has been glued to every episode knows
otherwise). In the set ups for the show, so someone who claims to speak for
the group that does it has claimed on another newsgroup, hundreds of minors
have been attracted by the lure characters, and those minors have been
turned over to law enforcement officers. Those minors may face being listed
forever on sex offenders lists, even though they thought they were dealing
with someone their own age. Republican Foley's various internet bills made
it a crime for one minor to make a date with another minor on the internet,
even if it would be perfectly legal in whatever state they were in for them
to have sex. If this is true, it seems to me highly problematic. If the
idea were really to protect children, then luring children into a bust does
not seem to me entirely consistent (but of course, the real idea is to make
money, because there seem to be plenty of sick people who will watch this
crap week after week like it was Survior or Dancing with the Stars).
It also seems to me to be a bad idea in general to make a TV production of
law enforcement -- this show, after all, is not documenting police stings or
riding-along with a police operation (like COPS). It is almost the reverse,
law enforcement officers get called in to "ride alone" with the production.
I haven't heard of anything on the show that sounds like a gross miscarriage
of justice -- I mean when a guy shows up with his pants down, it's pretty
difficult to see how he could possibly been up to anything other than no
good. With as much money as is at stake in a primetime show, it seems to me
that vigilante TV is fertile ground for abuse. The news was: there are a
whole lot more of these creeps than most people would imagine. And that
news is now pretty well out there. More and more of these shows are not
news. And of course they distract from the main fact of child abuse which
is the vast majority of abusers are people in the child's home or who are
brought into the home by an adult responsible for the child's welfare.
> He truly gives me the willies (no pun). Saw him on Oprah and the idiot is
> as full of himself as that other creep Brian Williams. Hansen can't even
> talk like a real person. He couldn't get out of his creepy smug
> talking-head persona even while sitting on Oprah's couch. I bet this guy
> gets off on all those pictures of smut he has on his show and all those
> transcripts of sexually explicit chats he likes to wave in front of the
> camera. There's just something real weird and perverse about his eyes,
> facial expressions, and his whole body language. There ought to be a
> picture of him in the dictionary under the entry of CREEPY.
It's really very clear that many of these people have something on the
agenda besides "just protecting children." They need to be on a sofa -- but
a shrink's, not Oprah's.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
The best way to support the troops right now
is to take them out of hazard's way. -- U.S. Army Lt. Gen. William Odem (Ret.)
How about this for a show: To Catch a Rapist. Have a blonde hottie
stride thru a bad neighborhood in a bikini saying her car broke down.
Then watch the fun! Hopefully, the cops can zoom in before the real
damage happens. But it would show the ugly side of human nature, which
is what To Catch a Predator is all about.
The asinine part is that there are still people stupid enough to need to be
educated about shark attacks.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
>I think NBC should make a weekly series out of this,
>moving around the country a la COPS and putting away as many of these
>child predators as they can.
>
>
Not a bad idea.
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
Especially according to JAW 3D: THE REVENGE.
-- Ken from Chicago
> "Andrealphus" <NOREAL...@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
> news:RlOTg.1368$Lv...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News DqCdndqqGaSb64LY...@comcast.com,, Ken from
>> Chicago at kwicker1...@comcast.net, typed this:
>>
>>> "BTR1701" <btr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>>> news:btr1702-3E67B4...@news.giganews.com...
>>>> In article <cUGTg.18469$Ij.1...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
>>>> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyyyy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We figure that Dateline will keep doing it, until all the
>>>>> potential perps get wise....and then they'll slow down.
>>>>
>>>> No, Dateline will keep doing it until people get bored with the
>>>> repetition and the ratings slip, then they'll move on to the next
>>>> "controversy".
>>>
>>> WRONG! They will keep doing it until the public is fully educated.
>>>
>>> Like educating people about shark attacks.
>>>
>>> -- Ken from Chicago
>>
>> The asinine part is that there are still people stupid enough to
>> need to be educated about shark attacks.
>
> Especially according to JAW 3D: THE REVENGE.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
I mean what's so hard about it? Sharks are little more than roving eating
machines with more than adequate tools tear a vulnerable human to shreds.
Swimming around them is terribly risky.
There, class dismissed. No watch out for those land sharks...
Telegram....
> "Andrealphus" <NOREAL...@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
>>> WRONG! They will keep doing it until the public is fully educated.
>>>
>>> Like educating people about shark attacks.
>>
>> The asinine part is that there are still people stupid enough to need to
>> be educated about shark attacks.
>
> Especially according to JAW 3D: THE REVENGE.
Exactly. If you want to avoid getting eaten by a shark, do not go to a
public aquarium.
> Lars Eighner wrote:
>> In our last episode, <8adth2d2kdq8ttuks...@127.0.0.1>, the
>> lovely and talented D Asgus Teng broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:
>>
>> > I've watched about as many of those creepy, disturbing To Catch A
>> > Predator smutfests on NBC as I can take and I have to say, that smug
>> > asshole Chris Hansen is the biggest creep/predator of them all.
>> It also seems to me to be a bad idea in general to make a TV production of
>> law enforcement -- this show, after all, is not documenting police stings or
>> riding-along with a police operation (like COPS). It is almost the reverse,
> How about this for a show: To Catch a Rapist. Have a blonde hottie
> stride thru a bad neighborhood in a bikini saying her car broke down.
> Then watch the fun! Hopefully, the cops can zoom in before the real
> damage happens. But it would show the ugly side of human nature, which
> is what To Catch a Predator is all about.
Well of course COPS has done prostitution stings (both johns and hos) for
a long time. But the difference is: these are law enforcement activities
that the cops let video crews tape, not TV shows that producers call in
law enforcement to make the bust. The closest thing I suppose to the
scenario you propose done by cops is having decoy drunks on subways,
attracting muggers.
The problem I see with "To Catch a Rapist" either as a law enforcement
action or as TV production is when do the cops swarm in? A lot more guys
are going to stop for Bikini Babe who seems to be broken down than will stop
for Biker Bob with his belly sticking out of his T-shirt. That doesn't make
the guys who stop for Bikini Babe rapists. And it does not make even those
who stop and say something sexually suggestive to Bikini Babe rapists.
There's going to be a lot of noise in the system. Many people are likely to
stop for Bikini Babe besides rapists: women, gay men, anyone is likely to be
willing to try to help her. Most, I reckon, by far of the people who will
stop will be entirely innocent of any intentions of rape, even if a few of
the guys have in the back of their minds that they might get a date.
(This is in contrast to internet chat. Of course you don't really know who
you are dealing with on the internet, but if you look at the 35-year-old men
who keep chatting with a supposed 13-year-old or 14-year-old, you'll have a
pretty high percentage of guys with less than sterling intent, although I
think it is still not a sure thing that the majority of them will be willing
to try to meet the child in real life. If you have a web site about
rehabing injured squirrels, sure, you might get email from a 12-year-old
about squirrels. You might learn something from a 15-year-old -- about
squirrels. But when it comes to just chatting, what does an adult have to
chat about with a strange teenager?)
So you have Biker Babe out there. Lots of harmless people stop. You waste
a lot of tape. Finally Bad Guy stops. When do you know he is a bad guy?
You probably don't know for sure until he grabs her or brandishes a weapon.
Are you sure you can rescue your decoy by then?
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the
merger of state and corporate power."-Benito Mussolini * When you write the
check to pay your taxes, remember there are two l's in "Halliburton."
Be careful! Don't say things like that or you'll be accused of being a
child molester yourself. Because, dontcha know, only a child molester
would even dream of criticizing the hysterical overreaction of American
society to (just about anything).
> It also seems to me to be a bad idea in general to make a TV production of
> law enforcement -- this show, after all, is not documenting police stings or
> riding-along with a police operation (like COPS). It is almost the reverse,
> law enforcement officers get called in to "ride alone" with the production.
> I haven't heard of anything on the show that sounds like a gross miscarriage
> of justice -- I mean when a guy shows up with his pants down, it's pretty
> difficult to see how he could possibly been up to anything other than no
> good. With as much money as is at stake in a primetime show, it seems to me
> that vigilante TV is fertile ground for abuse. The news was: there are a
> whole lot more of these creeps than most people would imagine. And that
> news is now pretty well out there. More and more of these shows are not
> news. And of course they distract from the main fact of child abuse which
> is the vast majority of abusers are people in the child's home or who are
> brought into the home by an adult responsible for the child's welfare.
The problem arises when you examine the basic ethics of journalism. The
news media is supposed to remain unbiased and objective. In a story
about law enforcement, they're not supposed to take the side of either
law enforcement or the suspect. They're supposed to merely report the
facts of the case.
However, in these child sting shows, in order for the chat room evidence
to be used in court against these guys, both the Perverted Justice folks
and the Dateline crew have to be sworn in as special deputies, working
with the police. So now you have a journalist who has completely stepped
out of his role as reporter and become a cop and has violated his
ethical obligation to objectively tell the story without bias.
I also have to laugh when it comes to the way the cops swarm all over
these guys when they walk out the door and tackle them to the ground as
if they are al-Qa'ida mass-murderers.
The cops' excuse for doing so in one of the past shows was that it was a
residential neighborhood in Florida and the Florida concealed carry laws
are so liberal, they don't want to take the chance that one of these
guys could have a gun and shoot off some rounds in suburbia.
Of course that begs the question as to why they're luring these
dangerous, perverted and possibly armed sexual deviants into people's
neighborhoods in the first place. The cops and Datelines create the
dangerous situation and then use the fact that it's a dangerous
situation as an excuse to play tough cop.
And if they're really worried that one of these guys might be armed,
then I have to wonder how much protection that Dateline guy has. What's
to stop one of these guys from watching his life swirl down the crapper
right there in front of the cookie plate and deciding he's got nothing
left to lose. He could pull a gun and send three rounds right through
Chris Hansen before anyone could do anything to stop him.
>What I found so odd about many of the people they caught on the recent
>Dateline show is that these guys were familiar with the previous
>Dateline Predator catching shows, but they never thought it would
>happen to them. I think NBC should make a weekly series out of this,
>moving around the country a la COPS and putting away as many of these
>child predators as they can.
They should, but they should do all their work off camera, in my
opinion. At least Cops has some variety, but comeon, is anyone really
watching this crap week after week?
>
>"mc" <mcsqu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>news:1159670854....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Michael O'Connor wrote:
>>> What I found so odd about many of the people they caught on the recent
>>> Dateline show is that these guys were familiar with the previous
>>> Dateline Predator catching shows, but they never thought it would
>>> happen to them. I think NBC should make a weekly series out of this,
>>> moving around the country a la COPS and putting away as many of these
>>> child predators as they can.
>>
>> In one case Chris said the guy knew about the show, saw the cop cars
>> outside, and STILL went in...
>>
>> mc
>
>Looking at all the perps last night, I was struck by one thing: why would
>ANY of those guys think a cute 13-year-old girl would be interested in
>them? Old, fat, weird hair, dirty, strange.....none of them even in their
>late teens! Then, when caught, they'd hide their faces like they hadn't
>been shown for five minutes before.
>
The ironic thing is people have to sign a release form agreeing to
have their face shown on TV. I think these pervs get off on more than
just sex with teens.
Ask the Florida congressman.
Right, and if you're a teenage girl, don't invite strange men to your
house. And if you're a child molester, don't let children invite you
to their houses.
You can educate until you're blue in the face, but there will always
be people that don't get the message. So why do the rest of us have
to have the same message crammed down our throats week after week?
How many people were still eating their spinach after the stores
pulled it? People continued to get sick for weeks.
Simple solution...don't watch 20/20 or cops.
> How many people were still eating their spinach after the stores
> pulled it? People continued to get sick for weeks.
Well, there is likely to be a large financial incentive to eat the stuff if
you happened to have it laying around. Some people look at oportunities
tlike that as lottery jackpots. ;-)
> Ask the Florida congressman.
Maybe people are being too hard on Mark Foley. After all, he was both
Catholic and Republican, and that is the kind of moral deficit some weaker
types might never overcome.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
War on Terrorism: Okay, Unleash OUR Extreme Fundamentalists
"... all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in
their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'" --Jerry Falwell
> On 01 Oct 2006 15:29:01 GMT, Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com>
> wrote:
> Why do you compare "bikini babe" with "biker bob with his belly
> sticking out"???
To point out that it would be wrong to think that sex had nothing to do with
people stopping for Bikini Babe. Of course it does. But there is a big
difference between stopping to help her because she is sexually attractive
and being a rapist.
> Compare "BB" with 16-year old studly teener and see what happens!
I was discussing the poster's proposal for a "To Catch a Rapist" show.
I see really serious problems in using real minors in any kind of
TV sting shows. The one thing Dateline is certainly doing right is not
using minors to set up the stings.
> Sheesh!
> Maybe we should parade 16 year old studly teener around Congressman
> Foley and see what happens??
No. We should not.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Oh, totally. They keep up with the scare tactics. Remember the '80s
when we all had to "fear" Russians? Outdated episodes like Mama's
Family when the Harpers invite a Russian foreign-exchange program
person to come stay in the home and the one character (Vint) who has
that suspicious eye on the "Commie" (sp?). Add in outdated "repressed
Russia sucks" jokes.
How will they out-do the scare of internet would-be pedophiles in ten
years?
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 03:48:24 GMT, "Kris Baker"
> <kris....@prodigyyyy.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"mc" <mcsqu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >news:1159670854....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> Michael O'Connor wrote:
> >>> What I found so odd about many of the people they caught on the recent
> >>> Dateline show is that these guys were familiar with the previous
> >>> Dateline Predator catching shows, but they never thought it would
> >>> happen to them. I think NBC should make a weekly series out of this,
> >>> moving around the country a la COPS and putting away as many of these
> >>> child predators as they can.
> >>
> >> In one case Chris said the guy knew about the show, saw the cop cars
> >> outside, and STILL went in...
> >Looking at all the perps last night, I was struck by one thing: why would
> >ANY of those guys think a cute 13-year-old girl would be interested in
> >them? Old, fat, weird hair, dirty, strange.....none of them even in their
> >late teens! Then, when caught, they'd hide their faces like they hadn't
> >been shown for five minutes before.
> >
>
> The ironic thing is people have to sign a release form agreeing to
> have their face shown on TV.
Not in this case. Release forms are only required for entertainment
programs. If the program is a news program, releases aren't legally
required-- the theory being that it would be not in the public's
interest to prevent news broadcasters from putting people on the news
unless they agree to it ahead of time. Not to mention, practically
impossible. Can you imagine ABC having to get a signed release from
Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden before being allowed to show them on
TV?
The question then becomes whether "Dateline" has crossed the line from
news to entertainment. Personally, I believe they have and they should
be required to obtain releases before putting these guys on the air. I
wouldn't be surprised if they ended up being sued over just this issue
in the future. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Why are you so upset someone likes catching and exposing pedophiles?
I know you Orientals have a fetish for schoolgirls but really.
Um, I think the lesson for molesters is to maybe take up knitting or stamp
collecting or some other SOLO obsession.
> You can educate until you're blue in the face, but there will always
> be people that don't get the message. So why do the rest of us have
> to have the same message crammed down our throats week after week?
>
> How many people were still eating their spinach after the stores
> pulled it? People continued to get sick for weeks.
Somehow I don't see a lot of single guys having to worry about dangerous
spinach. Now if it were dangerous pizza, burgers or beer ... look out!
-- Ken from Chicago
I agree with that. There is no distinction between the Dateline type 'catch
them in the act' episodes and the show 'Cops'. Both shows are for
entertainment. I doubt very many of the people shown ever get convicted of
the crimes that the shows are claiming they will be convicted of.
Go Chris Hansen, go!
Nosey Nanci
Actually, Perverted Justice work worked with Palm Spring PD last March and
one of the busts will be on COPS sometime this season. The guy was from
Pasadena and got 18 months in prison.
> Spoken like a true child molestor.
I think you misspelled "cross-posting troll."
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
That sounds about accurate for the show. One guy that will appear on 'Cops'
this season will get convicted. He will get 18months (so he will serve 10
months) while the stupid voiceover on 'Cops' will claim that the guy is
headed for jail for '5 to 10 years'. The show is a joke. Mostly, it just
serves to show poor police work in action and the camera 'proof' of what
went on pobably serves to get more guys off than it convicts.