GLITCH Season 2 (Netflix/Australian TV)

[Bill Anderson]

Back in October, 2016, I started a thread about Season 1 of this "risen
from their graves" series and there was a good bit of discussion in
which I participated. Then, when the subject came up again in July of
this year, I had so totally forgotten about GLITCH, that I had to be
reminded by Obveeus (bless his heart) that I already knew about this
thing. And yeah, after a little digging through the original thread,
the story started to come back to me. Still, after I'd watched the
first episode of Season 2 I conceded I'd better go back and watch the
final episode of Season 1 to get caught up. I had forgotten way too
much about this obviously, for me anyway, unmemorable show. So why watch
Season 2? To quote entirely too many characters in the series when
asked why they're back from the dead: "I just don't know."

Somehow Season 2 manages to extend Season 1 without really explaining
much about what's going on. Yes, I now know a bit more about what
happened, but what I've learned is even more preposterous than the
events of Season 1. All the healthy but bewildered zombies have
interesting back stories and learning about the circumstances of their
deaths did keep me interested in Season 2. Turns out there are
different kinds of zombies -- some with more purpose in death than
others -- some people aren't who they seem, everywhere you look there
are soap opera complications, the evil corporation's high security
laboratory has no security at all when the plot calls for our favorite
zombies to enter and leave the grounds, and why'd Ms Youcantrustme
scientist decide just one finger wouldn't be enough? That's what I want
to know.

There are only six episodes in a season, so binging it wasn't really
difficult. I enjoyed myself enough I suppose so sure, I will recommend
GLITCH to those who are drawn to shows like LES REVENANTS and STRANGER
THINGS and so forth. And I really hope that by this time next year I'll
still remember enough about the plot that Obveeus won't have to remind
me again that I'm a big fan.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

[Obveeus]

On 12/3/2017 12:27 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
> Back in October, 2016, I started a thread about Season 1 of this "risen
> from their graves" series and there was a good bit of discussion in
> which I participated.  Then, when the subject came up again in July of
> this year, I had so totally forgotten about GLITCH, that I had to be
> reminded by Obveeus (bless his heart) that I already knew about this
> thing.  And yeah, after a little digging through the original thread,
> the story started to come back to me.  Still, after I'd watched the
> first episode of Season 2 I conceded I'd better go back and watch the
> final episode of Season 1 to get caught up.  I had forgotten way too
> much about this obviously, for me anyway, unmemorable show. So why watch
> Season 2?  To quote entirely too many characters in the series when
> asked why they're back from the dead: "I just don't know."
>
> Somehow Season 2 manages to extend Season 1 without really explaining
> much about what's going on.  Yes, I now know a bit more about what
> happened, but what I've learned is even more preposterous than the
> events of Season 1. All the healthy but bewildered zombies have
> interesting back stories and learning about the circumstances of their
> deaths did keep me interested in Season 2.  Turns out there are
> different kinds of zombies -- some with more purpose in death than
> others

I think there are just 3 types:
1. zombies brought back by the experiment. These seem to have memory
loss and a desire for closure to understand their past before they start
life anew.
2. zombie brought back by, for lack of a better guess, the Grimm
Reaper. These zombies come back with a purpose to cull the type 1 zombies.
3. zombies brought back from before the experiments ever
started/existed...perhaps brought back to life by just the right note on
the flute or by a sheer desire to finish what they started or something
like that.

-- some people aren't who they seem, everywhere you look there
> are soap opera complications,

Yep...and the show constantly struggles to overcome those soap opera
struggles. At least the cop with two wives bit of soap opera was a lot
better in the second season, extending beyond handwringing to more
sophisticated supernatural and social issues.

> the evil corporation's high security
> laboratory has no security at all when the plot calls for our favorite
> zombies to enter and leave the grounds, and why'd Ms Youcantrustme
> scientist decide just one finger wouldn't be enough? That's what I want
> to know.

Good scientists know that an experiment needs a sample size greater than 1?

> There are only six episodes in a season, so binging it wasn't really
> difficult.  I enjoyed myself enough I suppose so sure, I will recommend
> GLITCH to those who are drawn to shows like LES REVENANTS and STRANGER
> THINGS and so forth.  And I really hope that by this time next year I'll
> still remember enough about the plot that Obveeus won't have to remind
> me again that I'm a big fan.

I liked season #2 more than season #1.

[Bill Anderson]

So did I.

Among the many things I wish I could understand better is the nature of
the Type 2 and Type 3 zombies. Maybe a discussion of Type 2 will best
be left until we view Season 3, possibly I think. At this point I am
keeping an open mind about them as they might just be the heroes of this
whole enterprise, sent by a benevolent spirit to repair the
indispensable wall dividing the land of the living from the land of the
dead. Even Vic last season seemed convinced he was doing the right
thing, and now this season we see Wife #2 and Oil Rig guy developing
consciences, showing kindness, almost regretting the jobs they were sent
to do. Oil Rig Guy threw the fish back -- see?

Are they aliens? Nah, I don't think so. Angels? Maybe that's closer
to the truth. Can't wait to find out.

What I'm more interested in, though, is Dr. Elishia's timeline. Our
earliest encounter with her is through a flashback to the Melbourne
morgue when she is awakening as a corpse in a drawer. I have to assume
that's the corpse of the previously real living non-zombie human being
Dr. Elishia McKellar, who is dead because she experimented on herself
with the regenerative potions she'd been researching in a laboratory
specially funded for her by Dr. Youcantrustme. So until the reawakening,
she's just an unremarkable dead body. Am I right? Maybe?

But when that body comes back to life in the morgue, it's not the real
Dr. Elishia. Her body has been inhabited by...something from somewhere
that immediately knows to switch toe tags with the corpse next door, so
people will think it's not Dr. Elishia's corpse that's about to go
missing. Then Dr. Elishia's corpse begins wandering the night streets of
Melbourne in her morgue finery until she manages to tap into the
corpse's memories. They conveniently lead to her former apartment where
she gathers up some clothes and research materials and heads straight to
the small town of Yoorana where the corpse has been doing research and
practicing medicine in a clinic nobody ever visits. Which leads one to
wonder what her clothes and research materials were doing back in
Melbourne when she was living in Yoorana. What am I overlooking here --
where has my logic gone wrong?

Continuing -- the spirit that now inhabits Dr. Elishia's corpse returns
to the laboratory funded by Dr. Youcantrustme and conducts an experiment
at the local cemetery where lie the remains of a particular corpse the
good Dr.'s spirit wants to resurrect. Apparently a long time ago her
spirit had a thing going with this dead guy's spirit, and she wants him
back. Trouble is, her experiment not only brings back the love of her
death, but also several other ancillary corpses who are totally
bewildered to find themselves walking naked at night in a graveyard.
But let's not get distracted by them right now.

Still continuing -- So what or who is inhabiting the corpse of Dr.
Elishia? Was she (I'm assuming the spirit was originally female)
somehow awakened by Dr. Elishia's experiments on herself in Yoorana
prior to her death and hearse ride to the morgue in Melbourne? Am I
right in surmising the living alive real human Elishia somehow awakened
one female spirit from the Yoorana cemetery, and this spirit hung around
until the real Elishia died and her body could be inhabited? And this
explains why the spirit inhabiting Dr. Elishia's corpse is so interested
in the corpse of one particular guy in the local graveyard? And it's
her spirit that brings all those bodies back to life using her corpse's
memories and research? Is that what's going on?

Furthermore -- the Great Spirit doesn't like spirits from the land of
the dead inhabiting corpses in the land of the living so He's sent
angels to assassinate all zombies? Am I on the right track?

One more thing -- I liked that scene where Dr. Elishia enticed bosun's
whistle guy to join her in the water. "You won't sink! Human bodies are
bouyant!" And he reluctantly begins to float with no regard for keeping
his fingerless hand dry and infection free. They're so enamored of the
water I had to wonder, again, exactly where did they come from? Had
they never lived on earth before? Had they no memory of swimming? Who
are they?

OK...your turn.

[Obveeus]

Yes, that was funny...a bunch of talk about keeping the wound free of
infection followed by an invitation to come swim in the pond/(or maybe
it was supposed to be a slow current stream).

> They're so enamored of the
> water I had to wonder, again, exactly where did they come from?  Had
> they never lived on earth before? Had they no memory of swimming? Who
> are they?
>
> OK...your turn.

If I had to guess...I think you might have the timeline wrong with
respect to Dr. Elishia. My take was that the original Dr. Elishia died
4 years ago and then some inhabiting spirit entered her in the morgue
and the body popped back to life. I have no idea how the spirit in
question managed to do that. The important thing is, I think, that it
was *after* she came back to life that she moved to Yoorana and first
got the job at the mega lab there. If I am correct, it means that the
lab was just a basic fertilizer/chemical lab until 4 years ago when Dr.
Elishia came with promises to be able to develop something far more
amazing/important. Any evilness in that lab's Mission Statement was
added by Dr. Elishia's employment there and her conversion of the big
boss toward a path of resurrection goals.

With that in mind, it isn't any coincidence that Yoorana is the burial
place of the Dr. Elishia spirit's past love. Instead, it is simply a
matter of that spirit using Dr. Elishia's body to go to Yoorana, knowing
he is buried there, and then finding the local lab and convincing them
of the value of her work. All of the lab's expertise in raising the
dead comes from the spirit who escaped from the afterlife and entered
Dr. Elishia's body...so this spirit knew how to escape (from wherever)
in the first place, then over the next 4 years engineered a method of
bringing others back.

I agree with you that her experiment, designed to bring back just her
old love, expanded beyond its intended scope and brought back a bunch of
his neighbors in the cemetery as well. I have no idea how Dr. Elishia
escaped or how many times she has escaped...same goes for her lover who
apparently has died before and escaped before without all the scientific
help.

I also agree with you about the non-experiment escapees (Vic, oil rig
guy, Sarah, and likely her baby). They all seem to be non-original
souls...as in they are back from somewhere, but they are not the
spirit/entity that originally inhabited the body. Instead, they seem to
be Grimm Reaper type assistants (maybe Angels sent by God) who have
clear missions to kill even though they retain the memories of their
former hosts.

As for the spirit in Elishia and the spirit in her lover...we still have
no idea who they are except that they did not return in the same manner
as the other two groups and, as you say, statements like 'the human body
floats' suggest that they weren't human to begin with. Again, these
could be angels, just not ones sent to Earth with a specific mission.

[Bill Anderson]

OK, I can go with that. Four years ago nobody was experimenting on how
to raise the dead in Yoorana. Dr. Elishia was doing that work in
Melbourne until she died and her body was inhabited by a spirit that had
observed her work and wanted to take her to where her dead lover lay. It
was merely a coincidence that in Yoorana there was a laboratory that was
just the place to set up resurrection experiments and furthermore one of
the lab directors could be persuaded to spend a lot of company money to
pursue some wacky promises.

>
> With that in mind, it isn't any coincidence that Yoorana is the burial
> place of the Dr. Elishia spirit's past love.  Instead, it is simply a
> matter of that spirit using Dr. Elishia's body to go to Yoorana, knowing
> he is buried there, and then finding the local lab and convincing them
> of the value of her work.  All of the lab's expertise in raising the
> dead comes from the spirit who escaped from the afterlife and entered
> Dr. Elishia's body...

Except that Dr. Elishia was already well along in this research when she
died while experimenting on herself. I think. So I'm thinking the
spirit learned how to raise the dead by inhabiting Dr. Elishia's body
and improving on her techniques.

so this spirit knew how to escape (from wherever)
> in the first place, then over the next 4 years engineered a method of
> bringing others back.
>
> I agree with you that her experiment, designed to bring back just her
> old love, expanded beyond its intended scope and brought back a bunch of
> his neighbors in the cemetery as well.  I have no idea how Dr. Elishia
> escaped or how many times she has escaped...same goes for her lover who
> apparently has died before and escaped before without all the scientific
> help.

Yeah, OK. Guess we have to be patient.

>
> I also agree with you about the non-experiment escapees (Vic, oil rig
> guy, Sarah, and likely her baby).

Not the baby. They clearly showed the birth of the baby prior to Wife
#2 having a relapse and dying momentarily there in the hospital. Mom
was not possessed prior to the birth.

They all seem to be non-original
> souls...as in they are back from somewhere, but they are not the
> spirit/entity that originally inhabited the body.  Instead, they seem to
> be Grimm Reaper type assistants (maybe Angels sent by God) who have
> clear missions to kill even though they retain the memories of their
> former hosts.
>
> As for the spirit in Elishia and the spirit in her lover...we still have
> no idea who they are except that they did not return in the same manner
> as the other two groups and, as you say, statements like 'the human body
> floats' suggest that they weren't human to begin with.  Again, these
> could be angels, just not ones sent to Earth with a specific mission.

Angels. They practically have to be angels slumming it. Thanks.

Anybody else have ideas?

[Robin Miller]

I also watched the last episode of season one to remind me what was
going on.

First off, I agree that there are three types of "the risen," which is
what the show seems to call the returned folks. At least, that's the
name of the first episode
(http://glitch-tv-series.wikia.com/wiki/The_Risen), and fans on reddit
use the term.

-- William and Elishia, who are much older than the others and are sui
generis because there is no explanation for their returns (but see below
re: Elishia). I include William because he came back from his drowning,
although he didn't come back from his subsequent hanging until Elishia
brought him back.

-- The risen accidentally brought back by Elishia in "the experiment"
when she was trying to bring back William.

-- The Risen who were brought back to kill the other risen (Vic, Phil
and Sarah).

> Among the many things I wish I could understand better is the nature of
> the Type 2 and Type 3 zombies.  Maybe a discussion of Type 2 will best
> be left until we view Season 3, possibly I think.  At this point I am
> keeping an open mind about them as they might just be the heroes of this
> whole enterprise, sent by a benevolent spirit to repair the
> indispensable wall dividing the land of the living from the land of the
> dead. Even Vic last season seemed convinced he was doing the right
> thing, and now this season we see Wife #2 and Oil Rig guy developing
> consciences, showing kindness, almost regretting the jobs they were sent
> to do.  Oil Rig Guy threw the fish back -- see?

Sarah definitely developed a conscious. Phil, not so much.

> Are they aliens?  Nah, I don't think so.  Angels?  Maybe that's closer
> to the truth. Can't wait to find out.
>
> What I'm more interested in, though, is Dr. Elishia's timeline. Our
> earliest encounter with her is through a flashback to the Melbourne
> morgue when she is awakening as a corpse in a drawer.  I have to assume
> that's the corpse of the previously real living non-zombie human being
> Dr. Elishia McKellar, who is dead because she experimented on herself
> with the regenerative potions she'd been researching in a laboratory
> specially funded for her by Dr. Youcantrustme. So until the reawakening,
> she's just an unremarkable dead body.  Am I right?  Maybe?

Yes. However, while she experimented on herself, she said that she died
from a stroke, and

http://reelmockery.com/glitch-series-2-episode-2-recap/

And I believe she said that the stroke was from a congenital condition.

Do we know how long Elishia had been dead? Did she come back very quickly?

Now, according to this recap she suggested that she came back because of
the experiments she had been conducting on herself. I didn't catch that,
but it would answer one question. However, I tend to think that the
answer is more supernatural.

> But when that body comes back to life in the morgue, it's not the real
> Dr. Elishia.  Her body has been inhabited by...something from somewhere
> that immediately knows to switch toe tags with the corpse next door, so
> people will think it's not Dr. Elishia's corpse that's about to go
> missing. Then Dr. Elishia's corpse begins wandering the night streets of
> Melbourne in her morgue finery until she manages to tap into the
> corpse's memories.  They conveniently lead to her former apartment where
> she gathers up some clothes and research materials and heads straight to
> the small town of Yoorana where the corpse has been doing research and
> practicing medicine in a clinic nobody ever visits.  Which leads one to
> wonder what her clothes and research materials were doing back in
> Melbourne when she was living in Yoorana.  What am I overlooking here --
> where has my logic gone wrong?

How do you know that the morgue and apartment are in Melbourne? They're
in the same city/town; was the girlfriend in Melbourne?

She died at "Epworth Hospital," which is a real thing:

http://www.epworth.org.au/Our-Hospitals/Pages/Our-Hospitals.aspx

OK, this S2E1 script (although seemingly pretty scrambled) says that she
died "four years ago in Melbourne":

https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=glitch-2015&episode=s02e01

((BTW, the other season 2 scripts are also there; just change the link.
However, they're pretty messed up.)

> Continuing -- the spirit that now inhabits Dr. Elishia's corpse returns
> to the laboratory funded by Dr. Youcantrustme and conducts an experiment
> at the local cemetery where lie the remains of a particular corpse the
> good Dr.'s spirit wants to resurrect.  Apparently a long time ago her
> spirit had a thing going with this dead guy's spirit, and she wants him
> back.  Trouble is, her experiment not only brings back the love of her
> death, but also several other ancillary corpses who are totally
> bewildered to find themselves walking naked at night in a graveyard. But
> let's not get distracted by them right now.
>
> Still continuing -- So what or who is inhabiting the corpse of Dr.
> Elishia?  Was she (I'm assuming the spirit was originally female)
> somehow awakened by Dr. Elishia's experiments on herself in Yoorana
> prior to her death and hearse ride to the morgue in Melbourne?  Am I
> right in surmising the living alive real human Elishia somehow awakened
> one female spirit from the Yoorana cemetery, and this spirit hung around
> until the real Elishia died and her body could be inhabited? And this
> explains why the spirit inhabiting Dr. Elishia's corpse is so interested
> in the corpse of one particular guy in the local graveyard?  And it's
> her spirit that brings all those bodies back to life using her corpse's
> memories and research?  Is that what's going on?

We have no evidence about the being that inhabited Elishia's body upon
her return. I doubt it was a spirit hanging around.

> Furthermore -- the Great Spirit doesn't like spirits from the land of
> the dead inhabiting corpses in the land of the living so He's sent
> angels to assassinate all zombies?  Am I on the right track?
>
> One more thing -- I liked that scene where Dr. Elishia enticed bosun's
> whistle guy to join her in the water.  "You won't sink! Human bodies are
> bouyant!" And he reluctantly begins to float with no regard for keeping
> his fingerless hand dry and infection free.  They're so enamored of the
> water I had to wonder, again, exactly where did they come from?  Had
> they never lived on earth before? Had they no memory of swimming? Who
> are they?
>
> OK...your turn.
>

This wiki has some information:

http://glitch-tv-series.wikia.com/wiki/Glitch_(TV_series)_Wiki

And this site has (fairly detailed, but not insightful) episode recaps:

http://reelmockery.com/tag/glitch/


I wrote this after season 2:

I liked season one, but I loved season two. I hope there is a third
season that can explain some more. Even accepting Dr. Heysen's
explanation for how Elishia's "experiment" worked, some of the questions
I am left with after season two are:

* Who brought back the Risen killers and gave them their purpose?

* How did Phil come back again, after being shot by James?

* How did the being that occupied Elishia's body come back? How old is
the being? And how were she and William connected in the old days?

* How did William come back (after drowning), and why didn't he come
back after he was hung? (And is that chronology right: He drowned, came
back, but was later hung as a criminal and didn't come back until
Elishia revived him?)

* What exactly does William's pipe (apparently a boatswain's call) do?
And did he have it with him now because it was buried with him?

* What really is Dr. Heysen's role in this? (Her conversation with Phil
at the end certainly complicated matters.)

* Who was Owen calling at the end?

--Robin

[Robin Miller]

These are interesting thoughts about Elishia's timeline, something
that's not clear to me. We know that she died four years prior to the
start of the series and presumably came back pretty quickly. And we know
that she's been working for Noregard since then. What we don't know is
what she was doing before she died. Bill thinks she was working on
resurrection before that. I never got that impression. My guess is that
the old spirit inhabited her body and put her to work researching
resurrection so that she could bring back William/John Doe.

And there's the whole "dual minds" issue: Risen Elishia has all of
original Elishia's scientific knowledge, yet the controlling
consciousness is that of the being that took over the body. How do two
minds coexist in one being?

All of the risen not brought back by Elishia's experiment have a new,
controlling consciousness but also the original person's memories.
William is the one outlier, as he's in my sui generis category (Obv's
type 3), yet unlike Elishia, the other member of that category, he
appears to be his original self. I suppose what we don't know is whether
a new consciousness entered William when he drowned in the shipwreck and
came back. Maybe it did, and that consciousness and the consciousness in
Elishia were the two that were originally "connected." If that's true,
then the new consciousness was in him when he was hung. And that would
mean that both bodies (William's and Elishia's) are now possessed by
consciousnesses other than their original ones.

Can someone help with me William's timeline? He died when he drowned in
the shipwreck, and he was later hung as a convict. (Right?) When
approximately did those events take place? And was the person who died
in the shipwreck the William Blackburn from the Royal Navy? If so, who
was he when he was hung as a convict?

--Robin

[Obveeus]

I agree with all the above.

> -- The risen accidentally brought back by Elishia in "the experiment"
> when she was trying to bring back William.

I'm not sure about this. It is what Elishia claimed, but over the first
two seasons she has told a bunch of lies so it is still uncertain in my
mind as to if original flavor Elishia with the heart condition/stroke
had really used chemicals on herself or if the spirit that came back
into the body at the morgue simply told that as her latest lie to
explain away whatever she really is. At this point, she has managed to
keep everyone else from realizing that she might not be the original
inhabitant of the body...and same goes for William.

> -- The Risen who were brought back to kill the other risen (Vic, Phil
> and Sarah).
>
>> Among the many things I wish I could understand better is the nature
>> of the Type 2 and Type 3 zombies.  Maybe a discussion of Type 2 will
>> best be left until we view Season 3, possibly I think.  At this point
>> I am keeping an open mind about them as they might just be the heroes
>> of this whole enterprise, sent by a benevolent spirit to repair the
>> indispensable wall dividing the land of the living from the land of
>> the dead. Even Vic last season seemed convinced he was doing the right
>> thing, and now this season we see Wife #2 and Oil Rig guy developing
>> consciences, showing kindness, almost regretting the jobs they were
>> sent to do.  Oil Rig Guy threw the fish back -- see?
>
> Sarah definitely developed a conscious. Phil, not so much.

He had a bit of a conscience, but he didn't let it get in the way of his
job. he did wonder about what would happen when the job was done, so he
was contemplating the idea of actually being alive.

>> Are they aliens?  Nah, I don't think so.  Angels?  Maybe that's closer
>> to the truth. Can't wait to find out.
>>
>> What I'm more interested in, though, is Dr. Elishia's timeline. Our
>> earliest encounter with her is through a flashback to the Melbourne
>> morgue when she is awakening as a corpse in a drawer.  I have to
>> assume that's the corpse of the previously real living non-zombie
>> human being Dr. Elishia McKellar, who is dead because she experimented
>> on herself with the regenerative potions she'd been researching in a
>> laboratory specially funded for her by Dr. Youcantrustme. So until the
>> reawakening, she's just an unremarkable dead body.  Am I right?  Maybe?
>
> Yes. However, while she experimented on herself, she said that she died
> from a stroke, and
>
> http://reelmockery.com/glitch-series-2-episode-2-recap/
>
> And I believe she said that the stroke was from a congenital condition.

She said all that and I'll believe that is why the body died, but I'm
not sure I'm ready to believe it came back because of some prior
experiment on herself.

> Do we know how long Elishia had been dead? Did she come back very quickly?

She was still in the morgue, so it probably wasn't too long.

> Now, according to this recap she suggested that she came back because of
> the experiments she had been conducting on herself. I didn't catch that,
> but it would answer one question. However, I tend to think that the
> answer is more supernatural.

Agreed. Like with William, something else is going on with these two
other than science...and a different non-science something else is going
on with the 'evil' returnees like Vic and Oil Rig Guy.

>> But when that body comes back to life in the morgue, it's not the real
>> Dr. Elishia.  Her body has been inhabited by...something from
>> somewhere that immediately knows to switch toe tags with the corpse
>> next door, so people will think it's not Dr. Elishia's corpse that's
>> about to go missing. Then Dr. Elishia's corpse begins wandering the
>> night streets of Melbourne in her morgue finery until she manages to
>> tap into the corpse's memories.  They conveniently lead to her former
>> apartment where she gathers up some clothes and research materials and
>> heads straight to the small town of Yoorana where the corpse has been
>> doing research and practicing medicine in a clinic nobody ever
>> visits.  Which leads one to wonder what her clothes and research
>> materials were doing back in Melbourne when she was living in
>> Yoorana.  What am I overlooking here -- where has my logic gone wrong?
>
>
> How do you know that the morgue and apartment are in Melbourne? They're
> in the same city/town; was the girlfriend in Melbourne?
>
> She died at "Epworth Hospital," which is a real thing:
>
> http://www.epworth.org.au/Our-Hospitals/Pages/Our-Hospitals.aspx
>
> OK, this S2E1 script (although seemingly pretty scrambled) says that she
> died "four years ago in Melbourne":
>
> https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=glitch-2015&episode=s02e01
>
>
> ((BTW, the other season 2 scripts are also there; just change the link.
> However, they're pretty messed up.)

Messed up as in inaccurate or just messed up as in hard to follow
because all the dialog is listed without defining who said what?

>> Continuing -- the spirit that now inhabits Dr. Elishia's corpse
>> returns to the laboratory funded by Dr. Youcantrustme and conducts an
>> experiment at the local cemetery where lie the remains of a particular
>> corpse the good Dr.'s spirit wants to resurrect.  Apparently a long
>> time ago her spirit had a thing going with this dead guy's spirit, and
>> she wants him back.  Trouble is, her experiment not only brings back
>> the love of her death, but also several other ancillary corpses who
>> are totally bewildered to find themselves walking naked at night in a
>> graveyard. But let's not get distracted by them right now.
>>
>> Still continuing -- So what or who is inhabiting the corpse of Dr.
>> Elishia?  Was she (I'm assuming the spirit was originally female)
>> somehow awakened by Dr. Elishia's experiments on herself in Yoorana
>> prior to her death and hearse ride to the morgue in Melbourne?  Am I
>> right in surmising the living alive real human Elishia somehow
>> awakened one female spirit from the Yoorana cemetery, and this spirit
>> hung around until the real Elishia died and her body could be
>> inhabited? And this explains why the spirit inhabiting Dr. Elishia's
>> corpse is so interested in the corpse of one particular guy in the
>> local graveyard?  And it's her spirit that brings all those bodies
>> back to life using her corpse's memories and research?  Is that what's
>> going on?
>
>
> We have no evidence about the being that inhabited Elishia's body upon
> her return. I doubt it was a spirit hanging around.

I'd say that it was a spirit on a mission.

Apparently it puts out just the right frequency...maybe.

> And did he have it with him now because it was buried with him?

Good question. Maybe the pipe was just in the dirt of his grave because
it was being used by Elishia to raise the him and then once she was done
with it she dropped it there?

> * What really is Dr. Heysen's role in this? (Her conversation with Phil
> at the end certainly complicated matters.)
>
> * Who was Owen calling at the end?

Cliffhangers...so annoying.

[Obveeus]

We know she was working on something because she left behind the big
notebook of knowledge at her girlfriend's house. However, we don't know
if that big notebook of knowledge had any real knowledge in it since
what we saw from its fruits was a setup with a bunch of huge frequency
machines that produced no results...and which were not in place when our
gang of Risen popped up out of the Yooranda cemetery in the first place.

> My guess is that
> the old spirit inhabited her body and put her to work researching
> resurrection so that she could bring back William/John Doe.
>
> And there's the whole "dual minds" issue: Risen Elishia has all of
> original Elishia's scientific knowledge, yet the controlling
> consciousness is that of the being that took over the body. How do two
> minds coexist in one being?

From what we saw of the other non-experiment risers (Vic, Oil Rig Guy,
Sarah)...they seem to have the original bodies memories, but not the
original bodies 'soul'. So, maybe 'minds' on this show are just data
banks and 'soul'/'spirit' are the essence of life?

> All of the risen not brought back by Elishia's experiment have a new,
> controlling consciousness but also the original person's memories.
> William is the one outlier, as he's in my sui generis category (Obv's
> type 3), yet unlike Elishia, the other member of that category, he
> appears to be his original self. I suppose what we don't know is whether
> a new consciousness entered William when he drowned in the shipwreck and
> came back. Maybe it did, and that consciousness and the consciousness in
> Elishia were the two that were originally "connected." If that's true,
> then the new consciousness was in him when he was hung. And that would
> mean that both bodies (William's and  Elishia's) are now possessed by
> consciousnesses other than their original ones.

That would be my guess.

> Can someone help with me William's timeline? He died when he drowned in
> the shipwreck, and he was later hung as a convict. (Right?)

I think that is correct...and the 'hung' part was after he assumed a new
name since he couldn't keep using his old one as it was connected to a
death certificate (or whatever was recorded back in those days).

> When
> approximately did those events take place?

I'm not familiar with Australian war history. It looked to be a similar
era to US Civil War times maybe...or even earlier.

> And was the person who died
> in the shipwreck the William Blackburn from the Royal Navy?

Yes, I believe so.

> If so, who
> was he when he was hung as a convict?

Buried in an unmarked grave and called John Doe in season #1.

[Obveeus]

On 12/3/2017 6:12 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:
> On 12/3/2017 4:38 PM, Obveeus wrote:

>> With that in mind, it isn't any coincidence that Yoorana is the burial
>> place of the Dr. Elishia spirit's past love.  Instead, it is simply a
>> matter of that spirit using Dr. Elishia's body to go to Yoorana,
>> knowing he is buried there, and then finding the local lab and
>> convincing them of the value of her work.  All of the lab's expertise
>> in raising the dead comes from the spirit who escaped from the
>> afterlife and entered Dr. Elishia's body...
>
> Except that Dr. Elishia was already well along in this research when she
> died while experimenting on herself.  I think.

I'm not so sure. The stuff from the notebook didn't end up being
useful...at least as it was interpreted into an array of frequency
generating machines at the end of season #2.

> So I'm thinking the
> spirit learned how to raise the dead by inhabiting Dr. Elishia's body
> and improving on her techniques.

Maybe...or maybe the spirit knew what to really do which is why it
immediately moved to Yoorana once it came back 4 years ago in the
morgue. It just took 4 years to get the fertilizer plant people to
build the resources and chemicals needed to accomplish whatever the
flute finished.

> so this spirit knew how to escape (from wherever)
>> in the first place, then over the next 4 years engineered a method of
>> bringing others back.
>>
>> I agree with you that her experiment, designed to bring back just her
>> old love, expanded beyond its intended scope and brought back a bunch
>> of his neighbors in the cemetery as well.  I have no idea how Dr.
>> Elishia escaped or how many times she has escaped...same goes for her
>> lover who apparently has died before and escaped before without all
>> the scientific help.
>
> Yeah, OK. Guess we have to be patient.
>
>>
>> I also agree with you about the non-experiment escapees (Vic, oil rig
>> guy, Sarah, and likely her baby).
>
> Not the baby.  They clearly showed the birth of the baby prior to Wife
> #2 having a relapse and dying momentarily there in the hospital.  Mom
> was not possessed prior to the birth.

Wasn't there a bit where the baby's heartbeat was in distress or
something? I really want to be able to think that the baby is possessed
and is now stuck with a body that will require it to play a really long
game.

[Bill Anderson]

On 12/3/2017 10:55 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>

>
> Wasn't there a bit where the baby's heartbeat was in distress or
> something?  I really want to be able to think that the baby is possessed
> and is now stuck with a body that will require it to play a really long
> game.

Hah!

[Bill Anderson]

On 12/4/2017 12:07 AM, Bill Anderson wrote:
> On 12/3/2017 10:55 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Wasn't there a bit where the baby's heartbeat was in distress or
>> something?  I really want to be able to think that the baby is
>> possessed and is now stuck with a body that will require it to play a
>> really long game.
>
> Hah!
>

And now this morning I've dug up a discussion group comment that
indicates the baby appeared to have "evil eyes." Good grief. I just dunno.

[Bill Anderson]

I don't have the answers. And now this morning, after some Googling, I
find it appears nobody has the answers. You posted elsewhere a link to
some inconclusive discussion of this. Here's more of the same if you're
interested:

http://forums.previously.tv/topic/49335-all-episodes-talk-who-are-they/

I guess we'll just have to wait for Season 3 to learn who John
Doe/William really is, Elishia too. I did find it interesting that some
appear to think we're watching not angels, but time-traveling robots.
Well, at this point who's to say that's ridiculous?

[Obveeus]

On 12/4/2017 1:11 PM, Bill Anderson wrote:

> I guess we'll just have to wait for Season 3 to learn who John
> Doe/William really is, Elishia too.  I did find it interesting that some
> appear to think we're watching not angels, but time-traveling robots.
> Well, at this point who's to say that's ridiculous?

I'll say that is ridiculous. Everyone knows that robots don't float.