Was this a multi part episode of them in LA or did they leave New York
for good?
> Was this a multi part episode of them in LA or did they leave New York
> for good?
Just a multi-part episode in LA and an excuse to have a lot of
Hollywood stars guest on the show, with Lucy and Ethel fawning all
over them.
Billy Crystal had a gimmick where he mimiced some old actor who said
"marvelous" a lot. I never knew who the actor was (nor liked the
skit) until he was one of Lucy's guests.
Toward the end of the show the family moved to "the country" to a big
house in Connecticut. The show then became a series of hourly
specials. Lucy and Desi were headed for their marital breakup and the
show ended for good.
Interestingly, Ricky never complained about the long commute he had to
the club, nor did Fred about coming out. The show sort of glossed
over those pesky real-life details.
The apt in NYC was modest, affordable by middleclass standards, but
the Connecticut house and land would've been quite expensive, even in
the 1950s. Today a big spread like that could be over $10 million.
Their little brownstone apt, if in a good neighborhood, might be worth
$500k today.
> On Jan 30, 10:27 am, stonej <sto...@mail.lib.msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Was this a multi part episode of them in LA or did they leave New York
> > for good?
>
> Just a multi-part episode in LA and an excuse to have a lot of
> Hollywood stars guest on the show, with Lucy and Ethel fawning all
> over them.
Yeah, pretty much, but at least they got some guests who never did TV.
John Wayne, for one.
> Billy Crystal had a gimmick where he mimiced some old actor who said
> "marvelous" a lot. I never knew who the actor was (nor liked the
> skit) until he was one of Lucy's guests.
>
> Toward the end of the show the family moved to "the country" to a big
> house in Connecticut. The show then became a series of hourly
> specials. Lucy and Desi were headed for their marital breakup and the
> show ended for good.
The Ricardos moved to Connecticut because the show was dying. Nothing
changed very much, except for the hardly mentioned turnabout bit about
how the Ricardos were now the Mertzes' landlords. The series later
became a series of occasional specials, which those of a certain age
remember better as a weekly series of summer reruns. I'm not a big "I
Love Lucy" fan, but the hour-long crossover show with the Danny Thomas
cast is one of the funniest hours of TV there is.
> Interestingly, Ricky never complained about the long commute he had to
> the club, nor did Fred about coming out. The show sort of glossed
> over those pesky real-life details.
>
> The apt in NYC was modest, affordable by middleclass standards, but
> the Connecticut house and land would've been quite expensive, even in
> the 1950s. Today a big spread like that could be over $10 million.
> Their little brownstone apt, if in a good neighborhood, might be worth
> $500k today.
The Ricardos lived at 625 East 68th Street in Manhattan. There are no
apartment buildings there -- that block is actually part of a hospital
complex -- but that part of Manhattan is very high-priced. The
Ricardos had a one-bedroom walkup in a building with a center court in
a great neighborhood. Five hundred k is probably low.
> The Ricardos moved to Connecticut because the show was dying. Nothing
> changed very much, except for the hardly mentioned turnabout bit about
> how the Ricardos were now the Mertzes' landlords.
So didn't the Mertzes own the building they all lived in to start with?
Or were they just managers?
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Was it Europe, California then to CT or California, Europe then CT? I
forget. Well, which ever place they went to first, THAT'S when the
show jumped the shark!
> In article <300120081245435837%takebac...@2008.com>,
> Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebac...@2008.com> wrote:
>
> > The Ricardos moved to Connecticut because the show was dying. Nothing
> > changed very much, except for the hardly mentioned turnabout bit about
> > how the Ricardos were now the Mertzes' landlords.
>
> So didn't the Mertzes own the building they all lived in to start with?
> Or were they just managers?
The Mertzes owned and managed the 68th Street building. Fred also
acted as the super. As you can see, the show knew nothing about how
Manhattan real estate works.
Things were a little different in NYC in the early 1950s.
Remember "The Apartment" movie?
> In article
> <ANIM8Rfsk-3D662...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <300120081245435837%takebac...@2008.com>,
> > Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebac...@2008.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The Ricardos moved to Connecticut because the show was dying. Nothing
> > > changed very much, except for the hardly mentioned turnabout bit about
> > > how the Ricardos were now the Mertzes' landlords.
> >
> > So didn't the Mertzes own the building they all lived in to start with?
> > Or were they just managers?
>
>
> The Mertzes owned and managed the 68th Street building. Fred also
> acted as the super. As you can see, the show knew nothing about how
> Manhattan real estate works.
So what happened that he ended up being Ricky's tenant?
The Mertzes didn't exactly become the Ricardo's "tenants". Rather,
sometimes they stayed in the guest house, sometimes they took the
train, or drive up from NYC. They more or less left those details out
of the plot; the Mertzes were just there; usually Fred out with Ricky
while Lucy and Ethel cooked up a scheme.
There was one episode where the Mertzes pretended to be the Ricardo's
"couple", e.g. maid and butler, to impress some fancy neighbors.
BTW, ever notice how Miley and Lily are a modern day Lucy and Ethel?
Well, when Ricky and Lucy decided to go house hunting, they found one
in CT. They moved and quickly missed Fred and Ethel and in return Fred
and Ethel missed Ricky and Lucy. So since the Ricardos had a little
guest cottage on the property, F&E moved in. The show really sucked at
that point. lol Think final season of 'Happy Days' when Fonzie adopted
that little boy (Danny Ponce). As if having lived through Crystal
Bernard's performances wasn't bad enough!
Now here's a good question: Did Fred and Ethel SELL the apartment
building when they moved to CT, or did they just hire a new super?
They'd be pretty rich if they sold it. If they kept it and moved,
they'd have to pay a super and they'd have to still pay Ricky and Lucy
rent.
>
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> On Jan 30, 7:46 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > So what happened that he ended up being Ricky's tenant?
>
> The Mertzes didn't exactly become the Ricardo's "tenants". Rather,
> sometimes they stayed in the guest house, sometimes they took the
> train, or drive up from NYC. They more or less left those details out
> of the plot; the Mertzes were just there; usually Fred out with Ricky
> while Lucy and Ethel cooked up a scheme.
There's a to-do in an early transition episode where Fred makes a big
deal out of having to pay Ricky rent, and Ricky laughs and says he's
not going to charge him much. It's very quick and, really, they didn't
revisit the new relationship very often; I guess it lacked laughs.
Since Fred and Ethel are always in Connecticut, even for breakfast, I
think we were supposed to assume they'd moved there along with the
Ricardos.
>
> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> There was one episode where the Mertzes pretended to be the Ricardo's
> "couple", e.g. maid and butler, to impress
> --------------------------------------
> Tallulah Bankhead. Richard Deacon is also in the episode.
What we knew as "The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour" was recut into two-part
half-hour installments of a series called "We Love Lucy." The episodes
have been drastically cut for time. I don't think "We Love Lucy" is
running anywhere right now.
Even "I Love Lucy" itself doesn't seem to be running all over the place
anymore. My TiVo shows episodes running in L.A. and on TV Land, but
not in DC or New York.
> Yeah, pretty much, but at least they got some guests who never did TV.
> John Wayne, for one.
And Sir Cedric Hardwicke. They had Harpo Marx in at least one
episode, but I suspect that wasn't the only time in his life he was
on TV.
> In article
> <f68fac09-934c-4619...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> > Interestingly, Ricky never complained about the long commute he had to
> > the club, nor did Fred about coming out. The show sort of glossed
> > over those pesky real-life details.
That was completely realistic, wasn't it? Workers in New York have
been commuting to the far suburbs by train for quite a few decades
now.
> > The apt in NYC was modest, affordable by middleclass standards, but
> > the Connecticut house and land would've been quite expensive, even in
> > the 1950s.
Didn't he own the nightclub? Between owning and performing in it, he
would have made a pretty good living and been well able to afford a
country place.
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> > Yeah, pretty much, but at least they got some guests who never did TV.
> > John Wayne, for one.
John Wayne did Laugh-In.
The guests they had were sort of playing themselves as celebrities,
not exactly playing a fictional part.
> That was completely realistic, wasn't it? Workers in New York have
> been commuting to the far suburbs by train for quite a few decades
> now.
Before WW II, only a small minority of workers commuted by train into
the city; the vast majority lived closer and walked, or used local
transit. Suburbs were mostly for the wealthy and those serving the
wealthy. After WW II the suburbs were aggressively developed (e.g.
Levittown) and commuting exploded. One explanation for the Conn.
house was that Ricky & Lucy were following what many of their viewers
were doing--moving out of the city.
> Didn't he own the nightclub? Between owning and performing in it, he
> would have made a pretty good living and been well able to afford a
> country place.
I think they were vague on that, sometimes implying he was the owner,
sometimes implying he was a key employee. There were often storylines
where Ricky had to impress a very important person for his career, and
of course Lucy got in the way.
I Love Lucy wasn't exactly the kind of show to develop a "canon" as
certain details were fuzzy and changed as circumstances required. The
average viewer didn't notice nor care about those details over time.
Remember their apartment had a solid wall that was also a windowed
wall (I don't know which came first). While Ricky often yelled at
Lucy about money, they seemed to be pretty comfortable. Going to
Europe in those years was not cheap.
Well, there were some good bits of schtick and an occaisonal good episode
after that. I really liked the first of the hour episodes telling how Lucy
and Ricky met. Three working women, Lucy McGillicudy, Ethel Potter, and
Susan McNamara (Ann Sothern as her 'Private Secretary' character) take a
cruise to Havana and pretend to be rich heiresses in an attempt to land
rich husbands, and run into three eligible men (Arnaz, Frawley, and Cesar
Romero) who are pretending to be rich bachelors to try to land rich wives.
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> Didn't he own the nightclub? Between owning and performing in it, he
> would have made a pretty good living and been well able to afford a
> country place.
> I think they were vague on that, sometimes implying he was the owner,
> sometimes implying he was a key employee. There were often storylines
> where Ricky had to impress a very important person for his career, and
> of course Lucy got in the way.
They weren't vague on this - Ricky worked as an employee in the nightclub
during the first five seasons, then he bought it at the beginning of the
sixth season.
> I Love Lucy wasn't exactly the kind of show to develop a "canon" as
> certain details were fuzzy and changed as circumstances required. The
> average viewer didn't notice nor care about those details over time.
> Remember their apartment had a solid wall that was also a windowed
> wall (I don't know which came first).
Actually, I think they were quite good with continuity - only five writers
contributed to the entire six-year run, which is pretty incredible by
today's standards. As for the window: that was the plot of an episode. The
Ricardos originally lived in a one bedroom apartment (without living room
window). After their son was born, Lucy schemed to switch apartments with
the lady downstairs - she had a second bedroom and a window in the living
room (other than that, the apartments were identical). Ricky, of course,
didn't want to pay the extra rent on a bigger apartment, but he eventually
gave in.
> While Ricky often yelled at
> Lucy about money, they seemed to be pretty comfortable. Going to
> Europe in those years was not cheap.
That was work for Ricky - his band was on tour.
> On Jan 31, 3:39 am, Stan Brown <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, pretty much, but at least they got some guests who never did TV.
> > > John Wayne, for one.
>
> John Wayne did Laugh-In.
Yes, he did -- fifteen years or so later. He never did TV at the time
we're talking about. He rather famously turned down the lead in
Gunsmoke, although he generously did an ad promoting the show, and Jim
Arness as Matt Dillon.
> The guests they had were sort of playing themselves as celebrities,
> not exactly playing a fictional part.
Not exactly, as you say, but I think that almost had to have been the
point. They had Richard Widmark and William Holden in that Hollywood
arc, too, and they never did TV.
> > Didn't he own the nightclub? Between owning and performing in it, he
> > would have made a pretty good living and been well able to afford a
> > country place.
>
> I think they were vague on that, sometimes implying he was the owner,
> sometimes implying he was a key employee. There were often storylines
> where Ricky had to impress a very important person for his career, and
> of course Lucy got in the way.
>
> I Love Lucy wasn't exactly the kind of show to develop a "canon" as
> certain details were fuzzy and changed as circumstances required. The
> average viewer didn't notice nor care about those details over time.
> Remember their apartment had a solid wall that was also a windowed
> wall (I don't know which came first). While Ricky often yelled at
> Lucy about money, they seemed to be pretty comfortable. Going to
> Europe in those years was not cheap.
That's a very good point about canon.
> On Jan 31, 3:39 am, Stan Brown <the stan br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, pretty much, but at least they got some guests who never did TV.
> > > John Wayne, for one.
>
> John Wayne did Laugh-In.
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> In article
> <ff8c1b04-257b-4f49...@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 3:39 am, Stan Brown <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > > > Yeah, pretty much, but at least they got some guests who never did TV.
> > > > John Wayne, for one.
> >
> > John Wayne did Laugh-In.
>
> Yes, he did -- fifteen years or so later. He never did TV at the time
> we're talking about. He rather famously turned down the lead in
> Gunsmoke, although he generously did an ad promoting the show, and Jim
> Arness as Matt Dillon.
Apparently he didn't actually turn down the lead:
> Did he advise Arness? Yes. Was he himself offered the part? No.
> http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/gunsmoke2.asp
> Jim Beaver
> Yes, he did -- fifteen years or so later. He never did TV at the time
> we're talking about. He rather famously turned down the lead in
> Gunsmoke, although he generously did an ad promoting the show, and Jim
> Arness as Matt Dillon.
That is a famous story, but apparently it's not true; Wayne was never
offered the part.
<http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/gunsmoke2.asp>
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No, I did not.
> In article <310120081924546660%takebac...@2008.com>,
> Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebac...@2008.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, he did -- fifteen years or so later. He never did TV at the time
> > we're talking about. He rather famously turned down the lead in
> > Gunsmoke, although he generously did an ad promoting the show, and Jim
> > Arness as Matt Dillon.
>
> That is a famous story, but apparently it's not true; Wayne was never
> offered the part.
>
> <http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/gunsmoke2.asp>
Thanks to you and Anim for the correction. I hate falling for urban
legends, but I fell hard for that one.
> In article <hankgillette-17AC...@news.verizon.net>, Hank
> Gillette <hankgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <310120081924546660%takebac...@2008.com>,
> > Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebac...@2008.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, he did -- fifteen years or so later. He never did TV at the time
> > > we're talking about. He rather famously turned down the lead in
> > > Gunsmoke, although he generously did an ad promoting the show, and Jim
> > > Arness as Matt Dillon.
> >
> > That is a famous story, but apparently it's not true; Wayne was never
> > offered the part.
> >
> > <http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/gunsmoke2.asp>
>
>
> Thanks to you and Anim for the correction. I hate falling for urban
> legends, but I fell hard for that one.
That's okay; most of us did I think.
No, for the first two-three post NY episodes, Fred and Ethel still lived in
NYC. Then when Ricky gets the idea to run a chicken farm, he puts an ad in
the paper looking for people with experience. Lo and behold, look who
applies and then moves into the guesthouse--Fred and Ethel.
> > > Yes, he did -- fifteen years or so later. He never did TV at the time
> > > we're talking about. He rather famously turned down the lead in
> > > Gunsmoke, although he generously did an ad promoting the show, and Jim
> > > Arness as Matt Dillon.
> >
> > That is a famous story, but apparently it's not true; Wayne was never
> > offered the part.
> >
> > <http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/gunsmoke2.asp>
>
> Thanks to you and Anim for the correction. I hate falling for urban
> legends, but I fell hard for that one.
Well, it's one that is deeply ingrained in the national consciousness.
There's enough truth about it, that it's hardly the worst urban legend
to believe in. Clearly, if the producers had thought there was any
chance that Wayne would have taken the job, they would have offered it
to him.
It's like the one about Clark Gable and the decline of the undershirt:
it seems like it ought to be true, even though it isn't.
> BTW, ever notice how Miley and Lily are a modern day Lucy and Ethel?
Who are Miley and Lily?
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> In article <e5e64e7b-e7ca-4296...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com said:
>
> > BTW, ever notice how Miley and Lily are a modern day Lucy and Ethel?
>
> Who are Miley and Lily?
I *think* it's a Hanna Montana reference.
Newspaper today had a (I think) WalMart insert that was ALL Hanna
Montana merchandise. A truly frightening array.
oh you saw that bird cage liner too?
hee hee
I guess if I had a kid into Hanna Montana I'd be thrilled.
"And if you can't make up your mind, get the Hanna Montana gift card!"
Hope Miley is investing wisely......because this too shall pass.....LOL
Thanks to all in this thread. I remember seeing these (probably first
run) as a wee lad and being very confused. It's nice to know there was
actually this much attempt at continuity/explanation.
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