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Ken from Chicago
Dec 4, 2011, 4:44:55 AM12/4/11
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One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the zombie
apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
--They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to accelerate
up to a running pace.
--They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
person's bloodstream.
--An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
--Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
--They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
So how on Earth could they have wiped out most of human civilization? much
less during the time Rick was in a coma?
That's the key, Rick's coma. Seeing how muscle atrophy would normally set in
after a couple of weeks in a coma, Rick couldn't have been in one for more
than say a months time.
If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak was a
mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people. It had to be some kind of
water- or air-borne disease that struck a major metropolitan center--namely
a major center of air traffic (e.g., Chicago, NYC, LA, London, Paris, Tokyo,
Beijing, Moscow, etc.).
Naturally there would be some people immune to that initial outbreak. But
that's okay, (alright, maybe not the right choice of words), because the
infection mutates, and becomes transmissible by biting and directly
infecting a person's bloodstream. This is more virulent and fewer, if any,
people are immune to this form of the infection--as demonstrated by massive
numbers of people waking up zombies and attacking everyone around them.
That would explain the downfall of civilization. As governments, police and
militaries try to maintain and ever-slipping grip, more and more drastic
measures are taking to deal with the walkers, e.g., mass killing of anyone
who is infected, napalming cities with strong outbreaks, gassing highways of
zombies, again, there is plenty of "collateral damage" as innocents are in
the crossfire--just to be sure.
Natch, that fails and societies and organizations breakdown as people try to
save their own families and loved ones, stock up supplies, barricade
themselves in, only to be caught out in the open or die of starvation or
thirst, or the secretly bit barricaded on the inside, not to mention mass
suicides as people lose hope. And then there are other people, ragtag ad hoc
groups scrounging for survival, hoping against the odds there might be a
future.
This is the world Rick wakes to.
Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or planned on
revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse arose and instead
wanted to focus on a character piece about how one is affected in PAW where
society has broken down and you have to rebuild the old morality, or do you
create a new morality?
That seems to be the tv series' focus, and it's what a lot of fans are
picking up on, discussing and debating. The problem is that the series
itself can be rather clumsy in presenting that character study in
interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways, which is what a lot of
viewers have been critical of the series for. That seems to be the heart of
the debate amongst viewers, what series could be versus what it has been.
If that's the direction THE WALKING DEAD is heading, they really need to
step up their game in character development. The irony is that good
conversation scenes can be as good as many an action scene and a lot cheaper
(an issue of ... some ... note with TPTB at AMC), yet the series has done a
lot better, entertainment- and even character-wise, with the action scenes
that SHOW the characters under pressure.
If they can step up their writing, they could have BOTH entertaining
episodes and save money on the budget. You could get the show truly making
its potential a reality.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Then again, that's a common debate, the potential versus the reality,
for a lot of tv and movies that have an element of something really cool but
are inconsistent or sometimes flat out fall down on the execution.
apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
--They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to accelerate
up to a running pace.
--They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
person's bloodstream.
--An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
--Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
--They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
So how on Earth could they have wiped out most of human civilization? much
less during the time Rick was in a coma?
That's the key, Rick's coma. Seeing how muscle atrophy would normally set in
after a couple of weeks in a coma, Rick couldn't have been in one for more
than say a months time.
If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak was a
mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people. It had to be some kind of
water- or air-borne disease that struck a major metropolitan center--namely
a major center of air traffic (e.g., Chicago, NYC, LA, London, Paris, Tokyo,
Beijing, Moscow, etc.).
Naturally there would be some people immune to that initial outbreak. But
that's okay, (alright, maybe not the right choice of words), because the
infection mutates, and becomes transmissible by biting and directly
infecting a person's bloodstream. This is more virulent and fewer, if any,
people are immune to this form of the infection--as demonstrated by massive
numbers of people waking up zombies and attacking everyone around them.
That would explain the downfall of civilization. As governments, police and
militaries try to maintain and ever-slipping grip, more and more drastic
measures are taking to deal with the walkers, e.g., mass killing of anyone
who is infected, napalming cities with strong outbreaks, gassing highways of
zombies, again, there is plenty of "collateral damage" as innocents are in
the crossfire--just to be sure.
Natch, that fails and societies and organizations breakdown as people try to
save their own families and loved ones, stock up supplies, barricade
themselves in, only to be caught out in the open or die of starvation or
thirst, or the secretly bit barricaded on the inside, not to mention mass
suicides as people lose hope. And then there are other people, ragtag ad hoc
groups scrounging for survival, hoping against the odds there might be a
future.
This is the world Rick wakes to.
Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or planned on
revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse arose and instead
wanted to focus on a character piece about how one is affected in PAW where
society has broken down and you have to rebuild the old morality, or do you
create a new morality?
That seems to be the tv series' focus, and it's what a lot of fans are
picking up on, discussing and debating. The problem is that the series
itself can be rather clumsy in presenting that character study in
interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways, which is what a lot of
viewers have been critical of the series for. That seems to be the heart of
the debate amongst viewers, what series could be versus what it has been.
If that's the direction THE WALKING DEAD is heading, they really need to
step up their game in character development. The irony is that good
conversation scenes can be as good as many an action scene and a lot cheaper
(an issue of ... some ... note with TPTB at AMC), yet the series has done a
lot better, entertainment- and even character-wise, with the action scenes
that SHOW the characters under pressure.
If they can step up their writing, they could have BOTH entertaining
episodes and save money on the budget. You could get the show truly making
its potential a reality.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Then again, that's a common debate, the potential versus the reality,
for a lot of tv and movies that have an element of something really cool but
are inconsistent or sometimes flat out fall down on the execution.
anim8rfsk
Dec 4, 2011, 10:31:35 AM12/4/11
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"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
> accelerate up to a running pace.
Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
> accelerate up to a running pace.
> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a person's bloodstream.
> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
use more brain function if they had it?
--
sent from a borrowed ipad
shawn
Dec 4, 2011, 10:56:26 AM12/4/11
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>
>Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
>"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>
>Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a person's bloodstream.
>
>We don't know that.
one that has been bitten has failed to die and turn into a zombie.
That's the belief of the characters we see on TWD and it's based on
what they've all observed.
>> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
>We don't know that.
We know that's not the case. A person that is infected may take at
>
>We don't know that.
least a week to die and turn into a zombie based on what we saw in the
first season. How quickly someone dies may depend on how much damage
the zombies do before the person escapes or how much of the zombie
juices get into the bloodstream of the future infectee.
>> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>
>We don't know that.
have been covered by zombie blood and guts and haven't been infected.
They probably should have become infected but that's not what we were
shown.
>> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
>> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
>We don't know that. Given that their only need is to eat, how would they
>use more brain function if they had it?
enable them to get to their food sources. For instance the walkers in
the barn could certainly have escaped if they knew how to form tools.
As it is they can use their own limbs and seem to understand the
simplest forms of tools (rocks) but forming a tool from various
objects looks to be beyond them. That's a GOOD thing. ;)
Thanatos
Dec 4, 2011, 11:58:00 AM12/4/11
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In article <ul5nd7pp31fn9ge8s...@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
> >> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> >> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
> >> accelerate up to a running pace.
> >
> >Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
> But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
And they don't give a fuck.
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
> >> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> >> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
> >> accelerate up to a running pace.
> >
> >Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
> But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
Ed Stasiak
Dec 4, 2011, 12:21:31 PM12/4/11
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> Ken from Chicago
it's been a zombie, (or at least what the writers want to happen
in a particular scene…) as we've seen slow, plodding dumb
zombies as well as fairly fast and reasonably intelligent ones.
> They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
> person's bloodstream.
No, all living people in "TWD" are _already infected_ with the
zombie virus and if they die by any means, (even dying peacefully
in their sleep) they become zombified.
Thou we have seen that even a minor bite will quickly result in a
serious infection that soon leads to death, (the Skinny Guy in S1)
so apparently zombie bites are poisonous beyond the normal
bacteria one would expect to find in a rotting corpse's mouth,
something like a Komodo Dragon's bite?
> An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video of
Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
death.
> Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
Agreed, thou one could presumably still be poisoned (and die) from
accidentally ingesting poisonous zombie blood / fluids.
> They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
This also seems to depend on how long it's been zombified, as
the Camper Zombie had enough remaining intelligence to search
around and we saw zombies in S1 knowing how to use doorknobs
and even using bricks to smash windows, in an attempt to get at the
survivors.
> If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak
> was a mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people.
Agreed, with 45,000 living humans for every one zombie, there is
no way a zombiepocalypse could wipe out humanity, let alone in
just one month.
> Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or
> planned on revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse
> arose
Standard operating procedure for a zombie flick.
> The problem is that the series itself can be rather clumsy in presenting
> that character study in interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways,
> which is what a lot of viewers have been critical of the series for.
The writing appears to be getting better (such as Andrea and Shane)
but there is still too much pedestrian, soap-opera, bullshit going on
and it's still being dragged out in an attempt to pad-out the series.
>
> They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time
> to accelerate up to a running pace.
A zombie's physical abilities seem to be related to how long
> They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time
> to accelerate up to a running pace.
it's been a zombie, (or at least what the writers want to happen
in a particular scene…) as we've seen slow, plodding dumb
zombies as well as fairly fast and reasonably intelligent ones.
> They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
> person's bloodstream.
zombie virus and if they die by any means, (even dying peacefully
in their sleep) they become zombified.
Thou we have seen that even a minor bite will quickly result in a
serious infection that soon leads to death, (the Skinny Guy in S1)
so apparently zombie bites are poisonous beyond the normal
bacteria one would expect to find in a rotting corpse's mouth,
something like a Komodo Dragon's bite?
> An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
death.
> Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
accidentally ingesting poisonous zombie blood / fluids.
> They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
the Camper Zombie had enough remaining intelligence to search
around and we saw zombies in S1 knowing how to use doorknobs
and even using bricks to smash windows, in an attempt to get at the
survivors.
> If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak
> was a mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people.
no way a zombiepocalypse could wipe out humanity, let alone in
just one month.
> Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or
> planned on revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse
> arose
> The problem is that the series itself can be rather clumsy in presenting
> that character study in interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways,
> which is what a lot of viewers have been critical of the series for.
but there is still too much pedestrian, soap-opera, bullshit going on
and it's still being dragged out in an attempt to pad-out the series.
Jim G.
Dec 4, 2011, 4:00:35 PM12/4/11
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shawn sent the following on Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:56:26 -0500:
badger's ass up and down the field. :)
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
NoCLoDS Founding Member (No Cop, Lawyer or Doctor Shows)
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
> >> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> >> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
> >> accelerate up to a running pace.
> >
> >Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
> But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
Give a regular badger pads and a helmet and it will kick a honey
>
> >"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
> >> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> >> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
> >> accelerate up to a running pace.
> >
> >Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
> But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
badger's ass up and down the field. :)
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
NoCLoDS Founding Member (No Cop, Lawyer or Doctor Shows)
tdciago
Dec 4, 2011, 4:10:40 PM12/4/11
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On Dec 4, 12:21 pm, Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net> wrote:
> No, all living people in "TWD" are _already infected_ with the
> zombie virus and if they die by any means, (even dying peacefully
> in their sleep) they become zombified.
Has it been revealed in the comic whether the virus is passed on to
> No, all living people in "TWD" are _already infected_ with the
> zombie virus and if they die by any means, (even dying peacefully
> in their sleep) they become zombified.
the next generation at birth? If not, does proximity to any living
person cause one to get the virus? And was there really no one in the
world who escaped infection?
shawn
Dec 4, 2011, 4:39:40 PM12/4/11
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:21:31 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net>
wrote:
>> Ken from Chicago
>>
>> They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time
>> to accelerate up to a running pace.
>
>A zombie's physical abilities seem to be related to how long
>it's been a zombie, (or at least what the writers want to happen
>in a particular scene…) as we've seen slow, plodding dumb
>zombies as well as fairly fast and reasonably intelligent ones.
>
>> They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
>> person's bloodstream.
>
>Ab, nyy yvivat crbcyr va "GJQ" ner _nyernql vasrpgrq_ jvgu gur mbzovr ivehf naq vs gurl qvr ol nal zrnaf, (rira qlvat crnprshyyl va gurve fyrrc) gurl orpbzr mbzovsvrq.
I'm going to point this out since people may not be aware of the
comic. What you are posting is a huge spoiler since it hasn't been
brought up in the show (and it is possible it may never come up.) You
really should be giving some sort of spoiler warning.
>Thou we have seen that even a minor bite will quickly result in a
>serious infection that soon leads to death, (the Skinny Guy in S1)
>so apparently zombie bites are poisonous beyond the normal
>bacteria one would expect to find in a rotting corpse's mouth,
>something like a Komodo Dragon's bite?
>
>> An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
>No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video of
>Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
>death.
No, an infected person may die in hours or days depending on how much
damage is done to them and how healthy they were. Once they die they
may turn into a zombie in seconds or it can take hours. That's what
the CDC guy told us. We weren't given a reason for the difference in
times for people that died coming back as a walker.
wrote:
>> Ken from Chicago
>>
>> They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time
>> to accelerate up to a running pace.
>
>A zombie's physical abilities seem to be related to how long
>it's been a zombie, (or at least what the writers want to happen
>in a particular scene…) as we've seen slow, plodding dumb
>zombies as well as fairly fast and reasonably intelligent ones.
>
>> They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
>> person's bloodstream.
>
I'm going to point this out since people may not be aware of the
comic. What you are posting is a huge spoiler since it hasn't been
brought up in the show (and it is possible it may never come up.) You
really should be giving some sort of spoiler warning.
>Thou we have seen that even a minor bite will quickly result in a
>serious infection that soon leads to death, (the Skinny Guy in S1)
>so apparently zombie bites are poisonous beyond the normal
>bacteria one would expect to find in a rotting corpse's mouth,
>something like a Komodo Dragon's bite?
>
>> An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
>No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video of
>Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
>death.
damage is done to them and how healthy they were. Once they die they
may turn into a zombie in seconds or it can take hours. That's what
the CDC guy told us. We weren't given a reason for the difference in
times for people that died coming back as a walker.
Mason Barge
Dec 4, 2011, 5:45:38 PM12/4/11
to
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:56:26 -0500, shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>>
>>Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
>But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
They can sure as hell run back punts!
>On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>>
>>Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
>But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
Mason Barge
Dec 4, 2011, 5:46:10 PM12/4/11
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:00:35 -0600, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
>shawn sent the following on Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:56:26 -0500:
>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>> >> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>> >> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>> >> accelerate up to a running pace.
>> >
>> >Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>>
>> But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
>
>Give a regular badger pads and a helmet and it will kick a honey
>badger's ass up and down the field. :)
Gotta catch him first.
>shawn sent the following on Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:56:26 -0500:
>> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>> >> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>> >> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>> >> accelerate up to a running pace.
>> >
>> >Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>>
>> But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
>
>Give a regular badger pads and a helmet and it will kick a honey
>badger's ass up and down the field. :)
Mason Barge
Dec 4, 2011, 6:32:23 PM12/4/11
to
>"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>
>Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
It's zombie Darwinism! The ones that have survived are the fast ones, is
>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>
>Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
all.
>
>We don't know that. Given that their only need is to eat, how would they
>use more brain function if they had it?
Ted Allen: "Your appetizer basket contains dill pickles, Hostess
Snowballs, quinona, and raw human esophagus. You have 20 minutes to . .
.Wait. Stop, that's not allowed. ARRRGGGGGH."
Captain Infinity
Dec 4, 2011, 7:23:58 PM12/4/11
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Once Upon A Time,
Ed Stasiak wrote:
>Thou
You do this all the time. Is this really how you think the word "though"
is spelled, or are you a Biblical scholar with the word stuck in your head?
**
Captain Infinity
Ed Stasiak wrote:
>Thou
You do this all the time. Is this really how you think the word "though"
is spelled, or are you a Biblical scholar with the word stuck in your head?
**
Captain Infinity
Ed Stasiak
Dec 4, 2011, 9:19:25 PM12/4/11
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> shawn
> > Stasiak
and as any discussion of the TV series will inevitably result in the
comic being mentioned, it's not a spoiler.
Also; Darth Vader is Luke's father.
> > No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video
> > of Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds
> > of death.
>
> No, an infected person may die in hours or days depending on how
> much damage is done to them and how healthy they were. Once they
> die they may turn into a zombie in seconds or it can take hours. That's
> what the CDC guy told us. We weren't given a reason for the difference
> in times for people that died coming back as a walker.
I don't remember exactly what Dr.CDC said but we did have the CAT
scan video of his wife dying and turning into a zombie a few seconds
later and IIRC, Andrea's Sister took several hours to actually die
(from
a large bite in the neck/shoulder area) but when she finally did die,
she also turned within seconds.
> > Stasiak
>
> I'm going to point this out since people may not be aware of the
> comic. What you are posting is a huge spoiler since it hasn't been
> brought up in the show (and it is possible it may never come up.)
> You really should be giving some sort of spoiler warning.
And I'll point out that the comic has been in publication since 2003
> I'm going to point this out since people may not be aware of the
> comic. What you are posting is a huge spoiler since it hasn't been
> brought up in the show (and it is possible it may never come up.)
> You really should be giving some sort of spoiler warning.
and as any discussion of the TV series will inevitably result in the
comic being mentioned, it's not a spoiler.
Also; Darth Vader is Luke's father.
> > No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video
> > of Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds
> > of death.
>
> No, an infected person may die in hours or days depending on how
> much damage is done to them and how healthy they were. Once they
> die they may turn into a zombie in seconds or it can take hours. That's
> what the CDC guy told us. We weren't given a reason for the difference
> in times for people that died coming back as a walker.
scan video of his wife dying and turning into a zombie a few seconds
later and IIRC, Andrea's Sister took several hours to actually die
(from
a large bite in the neck/shoulder area) but when she finally did die,
she also turned within seconds.
Thanatos
Dec 4, 2011, 10:23:57 PM12/4/11
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<0f9ac850-754c-4a9f...@y18g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>,
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Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
> > shawn
> > > Stasiak
> >
> > I'm going to point this out since people may not be aware of the
> > comic. What you are posting is a huge spoiler since it hasn't been
> > brought up in the show (and it is possible it may never come up.)
> > You really should be giving some sort of spoiler warning.
>
> And I'll point out that the comic has been in publication since 2003
> and as any discussion of the TV series will inevitably result in the
> comic being mentioned, it's not a spoiler.
>
> Also; Darth Vader is Luke's father.
And the boat sinks at the end of 'Titanic'.
> > shawn
> > > Stasiak
> >
> > I'm going to point this out since people may not be aware of the
> > comic. What you are posting is a huge spoiler since it hasn't been
> > brought up in the show (and it is possible it may never come up.)
> > You really should be giving some sort of spoiler warning.
>
> And I'll point out that the comic has been in publication since 2003
> and as any discussion of the TV series will inevitably result in the
> comic being mentioned, it's not a spoiler.
>
> Also; Darth Vader is Luke's father.
Arthur Lipscomb
Dec 5, 2011, 1:10:57 AM12/5/11
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On 12/4/2011 1:44 AM, Ken from Chicago wrote:
> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
> accelerate up to a running pace.
> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
> person's bloodstream.
> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
> So how on Earth could they have wiped out most of human civilization?
> much less during the time Rick was in a coma?
>
They couldn't. That's why that aspect gets glossed over in every post
> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
> accelerate up to a running pace.
> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
> person's bloodstream.
> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
> So how on Earth could they have wiped out most of human civilization?
> much less during the time Rick was in a coma?
>
apocalyptic zombie movie.
Ken from Chicago
Dec 5, 2011, 9:09:17 AM12/5/11
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<snip>
>>We don't know that. Given that their only need is to eat, how would they
>>use more brain function if they had it?
>
> I dunno -- maybe they could get on as Food Channel Contestants?
>
> Ted Allen: "Your appetizer basket contains dill pickles, Hostess
> Snowballs, quinona, and raw human esophagus. You have 20 minutes to . .
> .Wait. Stop, that's not allowed. ARRRGGGGGH."
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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pretty slowly at times, as demonstrated in the mid-season finale.
>> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
>> person's bloodstream.
>
> We don't know that.
>
>> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
> We don't know that.
>
>> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>
> We don't know that.
We've "observed" that. People get bit and transform overnight, or within
hours, if not sooner. To address the unsaid rumor that apparently is based
on the comic but not said in the show, we've seen plenty of regular dead
bodies lying around.
We've seen people getting splattered with a walker's innards and fluids and
yet not be transformed. Maybe there's a slower transformation process if
you're not bit, if so, then it's going on weeks now without anyone being
transformed.
Unless you want to argument Shane, Andrea and Dale's odd behavior is
attributable to glacially slow-acting infection. Altho that might be
interesting.
>> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
>> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
> We don't know that. Given that their only need is to eat, how would they
> use more brain function if they had it?
To dodge attacks to the head and to their person. No matter how many other
walkers are killed right in front of them they keep on walking and / or
running right into the line of fire. They don't even hold up their hands and
arms to protect their heads when they are attacked.
-- Ken from Chicago
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> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>
> Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
They are certainly like honey badgers in not giving a flip. They still amble
>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>
> Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
pretty slowly at times, as demonstrated in the mid-season finale.
>> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
>> person's bloodstream.
>
> We don't know that.
>
>> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
> We don't know that.
>
>> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>
> We don't know that.
hours, if not sooner. To address the unsaid rumor that apparently is based
on the comic but not said in the show, we've seen plenty of regular dead
bodies lying around.
We've seen people getting splattered with a walker's innards and fluids and
yet not be transformed. Maybe there's a slower transformation process if
you're not bit, if so, then it's going on weeks now without anyone being
transformed.
Unless you want to argument Shane, Andrea and Dale's odd behavior is
attributable to glacially slow-acting infection. Altho that might be
interesting.
>> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
>> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
> We don't know that. Given that their only need is to eat, how would they
> use more brain function if they had it?
walkers are killed right in front of them they keep on walking and / or
running right into the line of fire. They don't even hold up their hands and
arms to protect their heads when they are attacked.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Dec 5, 2011, 9:11:02 AM12/5/11
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I prefer "tho" (and "altho") myself.
-- Ken from Chicago
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-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Dec 5, 2011, 9:11:16 AM12/5/11
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Obviously the initial outbreak has to be massive and radically different
from just being bitten. The rest is just those immune from the initial
strain are susceptible to the mutated form spread by bites.
Or there's some other massive death event that kills off most of the
population with the zombies being coincidental or a side effect.
I'm a rank amateur and I just came up with that off the top of my head.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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their speed to full throttle.
>> They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
>> person's bloodstream.
>
> No, all living people in "TWD" are _already infected_ with the
> zombie virus and if they die by any means, (even dying peacefully
> in their sleep) they become zombified.
Has that ever been said on the show?
A lot of people online have assumed that's what the CDC guy whispered to
Rick. Even if it's in the comic, the show has veered away from the comic
time and again. Characters have been killed who lived in the comic.
Characters have been in the tv show who were never in the comic. It's my
understanding the comic never definitively stated how widespread the zombie
infection was on a global stage or the amount of (failed) effort spent in
trying to cure it--thus in the comic there might still be hope for a cure,
certainly greater than what the CDC guy mentioned on the show.
> Thou we have seen that even a minor bite will quickly result in a
> serious infection that soon leads to death, (the Skinny Guy in S1)
> so apparently zombie bites are poisonous beyond the normal
> bacteria one would expect to find in a rotting corpse's mouth,
> something like a Komodo Dragon's bite?
>
>> An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
> No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video of
> Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
> death.
It does seem to vary. It took overnight for Andrea's sister to be
transformed from a relatively small nibble. Then again, maybe the other
septic fluids the walker had took that long to kill her and then zombie
infection transformed her much more quickly.
>> Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>
> Agreed, thou one could presumably still be poisoned (and die) from
> accidentally ingesting poisonous zombie blood / fluids.
Yeah, cleanliness is certainly not next to zombiness.
>> They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
>> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
> This also seems to depend on how long it's been zombified, as
> the Camper Zombie had enough remaining intelligence to search
> around and we saw zombies in S1 knowing how to use doorknobs
> and even using bricks to smash windows, in an attempt to get at the
> survivors.
Yeah, and they do seem to have a faint awareness of previous life, which was
why Lennie James' character wife kept hovering around their home.
>> If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak
>> was a mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people.
>
> Agreed, with 45,000 living humans for every one zombie, there is
> no way a zombiepocalypse could wipe out humanity, let alone in
> just one month.
Exactly.
>> Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or
>> planned on revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse
>> arose
>
> Standard operating procedure for a zombie flick.
I guess fans of the subgenre don't sweat that particular detail.
>> The problem is that the series itself can be rather clumsy in presenting
>> that character study in interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways,
>> which is what a lot of viewers have been critical of the series for.
>
> The writing appears to be getting better (such as Andrea and Shane)
> but there is still too much pedestrian, soap-opera, bullshit going on
> and it's still being dragged out in an attempt to pad-out the series.
What the series seems to call character development is oft times deeply
flawed, tiresome and repetitive--tho they have a few sparks now and then,
which only serves to be MORE irritating showing the potential of the show,
only to dive back into the muck of mediocrity.
-- Ken from Chicago
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>> Ken from Chicago
>>
>> They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time
>> to accelerate up to a running pace.
>
> A zombie's physical abilities seem to be related to how long
> it's been a zombie, (or at least what the writers want to happen
> in a particular scene…) as we've seen slow, plodding dumb
> zombies as well as fairly fast and reasonably intelligent ones.
True, tho it does seem to take them a little longer than human to ramp up
>>
>> They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time
>> to accelerate up to a running pace.
>
> A zombie's physical abilities seem to be related to how long
> it's been a zombie, (or at least what the writers want to happen
> in a particular scene…) as we've seen slow, plodding dumb
> zombies as well as fairly fast and reasonably intelligent ones.
their speed to full throttle.
>> They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
>> person's bloodstream.
>
> No, all living people in "TWD" are _already infected_ with the
> zombie virus and if they die by any means, (even dying peacefully
> in their sleep) they become zombified.
A lot of people online have assumed that's what the CDC guy whispered to
Rick. Even if it's in the comic, the show has veered away from the comic
time and again. Characters have been killed who lived in the comic.
Characters have been in the tv show who were never in the comic. It's my
understanding the comic never definitively stated how widespread the zombie
infection was on a global stage or the amount of (failed) effort spent in
trying to cure it--thus in the comic there might still be hope for a cure,
certainly greater than what the CDC guy mentioned on the show.
> Thou we have seen that even a minor bite will quickly result in a
> serious infection that soon leads to death, (the Skinny Guy in S1)
> so apparently zombie bites are poisonous beyond the normal
> bacteria one would expect to find in a rotting corpse's mouth,
> something like a Komodo Dragon's bite?
>
>> An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
> No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video of
> Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
> death.
transformed from a relatively small nibble. Then again, maybe the other
septic fluids the walker had took that long to kill her and then zombie
infection transformed her much more quickly.
>> Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>
> Agreed, thou one could presumably still be poisoned (and die) from
> accidentally ingesting poisonous zombie blood / fluids.
>> They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
>> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
> This also seems to depend on how long it's been zombified, as
> the Camper Zombie had enough remaining intelligence to search
> around and we saw zombies in S1 knowing how to use doorknobs
> and even using bricks to smash windows, in an attempt to get at the
> survivors.
why Lennie James' character wife kept hovering around their home.
>> If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak
>> was a mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people.
>
> Agreed, with 45,000 living humans for every one zombie, there is
> no way a zombiepocalypse could wipe out humanity, let alone in
> just one month.
>> Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or
>> planned on revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse
>> arose
>
> Standard operating procedure for a zombie flick.
>> The problem is that the series itself can be rather clumsy in presenting
>> that character study in interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways,
>> which is what a lot of viewers have been critical of the series for.
>
> The writing appears to be getting better (such as Andrea and Shane)
> but there is still too much pedestrian, soap-opera, bullshit going on
> and it's still being dragged out in an attempt to pad-out the series.
flawed, tiresome and repetitive--tho they have a few sparks now and then,
which only serves to be MORE irritating showing the potential of the show,
only to dive back into the muck of mediocrity.
-- Ken from Chicago
Lord Vader III
Dec 5, 2011, 9:26:50 AM12/5/11
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On 12/5/2011 8:11 AM, Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
> A lot of people online have assumed that's what the CDC guy whispered to
> Rick.
Speaking of this, didn't they promise us that we would find out what he
>
> A lot of people online have assumed that's what the CDC guy whispered to
> Rick.
said early in season 2 (I thought I read we would find out in the season
2 premier)?
LVIII
Mason Barge
Dec 5, 2011, 12:47:14 PM12/5/11
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By the way, does someone refloat the Titanic in a sequel?
Mason Barge
Dec 5, 2011, 12:48:14 PM12/5/11
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Mason Barge
Dec 5, 2011, 12:49:33 PM12/5/11
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Ed Stasiak
Dec 5, 2011, 1:18:17 PM12/5/11
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> Ken from Chicago
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > No, all living people in "TWD" are already infected
can only happen via a zombie bite. But then they haven't seen
anybody die who wasn't bitten.
> A lot of people online have assumed that's what the CDC guy
> whispered to Rick.
It was the reason Dr.CDC did the blood tests on everybody, hoping
against hope that they somehow weren't infected and when he saw
that they were just like everybody else, he killed himself.
And thou some have suggested he whispered to Rick that SlutWife
was pregnant, that doesn't jive with the blood tests, nor why Rick
wouldn't mention what he said on the radio to Stay Behind Black
Guy.
> Even if it's in the comic, the show has veered away from the comic
> time and again.
Well, we know Hollywood doesn't give two shits about the source
material for anything they adapt (see: Starship Troopers, et al.) but
it is a fundamental part of the story.
> It's my understanding the comic never definitively stated how wide
> spread the zombie infection was on a global stage
Dr.CDC at least, said the zombiepocalypse was world wide and
all organized governments had collapsed.
No doubt there are other groups of survivors scattered around the
world but if / when our group gets in touch with them, remains to
be seen.
> > No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video of
> > Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
> > death.
>
> It does seem to vary. It took overnight for Andrea's sister to be
> transformed from a relatively small nibble.
It took her all night to _die_ but when she died at dawn, she tuned
into a zombie within seconds and Andrea was forced to shoot her.
> > The writing appears to be getting better but there is still too much
series as long as possible no matter how it's done and if viewership
falls below a certain level, force-wrap the story in the last season.
And as there isn't much sci-fi on TV to begin with, we'll still watch
no
matter how annoyed we are with it.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > No, all living people in "TWD" are already infected
>
> Has that ever been said on the show?
No. As far as the characters know, (except for Rick) zombification
> Has that ever been said on the show?
can only happen via a zombie bite. But then they haven't seen
anybody die who wasn't bitten.
> A lot of people online have assumed that's what the CDC guy
> whispered to Rick.
against hope that they somehow weren't infected and when he saw
that they were just like everybody else, he killed himself.
And thou some have suggested he whispered to Rick that SlutWife
was pregnant, that doesn't jive with the blood tests, nor why Rick
wouldn't mention what he said on the radio to Stay Behind Black
Guy.
> Even if it's in the comic, the show has veered away from the comic
> time and again.
material for anything they adapt (see: Starship Troopers, et al.) but
it is a fundamental part of the story.
> It's my understanding the comic never definitively stated how wide
> spread the zombie infection was on a global stage
all organized governments had collapsed.
No doubt there are other groups of survivors scattered around the
world but if / when our group gets in touch with them, remains to
be seen.
> > No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video of
> > Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
> > death.
>
> It does seem to vary. It took overnight for Andrea's sister to be
> transformed from a relatively small nibble.
into a zombie within seconds and Andrea was forced to shoot her.
> > The writing appears to be getting better but there is still too much
> > pedestrian, soap-opera, bullshit going on and it's still being dragged
> > out in an attempt to pad-out the series.
>
> What the series seems to call character development is oft times deeply
> flawed, tiresome and repetitive
I think they're following the now-standard "Lost" method; extended the
> > out in an attempt to pad-out the series.
>
> What the series seems to call character development is oft times deeply
> flawed, tiresome and repetitive
series as long as possible no matter how it's done and if viewership
falls below a certain level, force-wrap the story in the last season.
And as there isn't much sci-fi on TV to begin with, we'll still watch
no
matter how annoyed we are with it.
Merrick Baldelli
Dec 5, 2011, 1:45:33 PM12/5/11
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:47:14 -0500, Mason Barge <mason...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>By the way, does someone refloat the Titanic in a sequel?
I seem to recall a movie called "Raise the Titanic" that seems
to have done just that...
...well, that's before they discover that the Titanic is in 2
pieces.
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>By the way, does someone refloat the Titanic in a sequel?
to have done just that...
...well, that's before they discover that the Titanic is in 2
pieces.
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Ed Stasiak
Dec 5, 2011, 1:41:40 PM12/5/11
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> Lord Vader III
> > Ken from Chicago
Hershel becomes despondent with the realization that the zombies
can't be cured and swallows a bunch of sleeping pills to kill himself.
Cowgirl cries at his bedside as he slips away, while ShortRound
hugs her and everybody stands around being sad.
But Rick keeps his eyes on Hershel (and his hand on his holstered
gun) and when he turns into a zombie, Rick delivers the coup de gras
while CryingMom cries, Shane goes off into another roid-rage and
Old Man Dale makes That Face.
> > Ken from Chicago
> >
> > A lot of people online have assumed that's what the CDC guy
> > whispered to Rick.
>
> Speaking of this, didn't they promise us that we would find out
> what he said early in season 2 (I thought I read we would find
> out in the season 2 premier)?
Maybe it'll be revealed at the end of S2?;
> > A lot of people online have assumed that's what the CDC guy
> > whispered to Rick.
>
> Speaking of this, didn't they promise us that we would find out
> what he said early in season 2 (I thought I read we would find
> out in the season 2 premier)?
Hershel becomes despondent with the realization that the zombies
can't be cured and swallows a bunch of sleeping pills to kill himself.
Cowgirl cries at his bedside as he slips away, while ShortRound
hugs her and everybody stands around being sad.
But Rick keeps his eyes on Hershel (and his hand on his holstered
gun) and when he turns into a zombie, Rick delivers the coup de gras
while CryingMom cries, Shane goes off into another roid-rage and
Old Man Dale makes That Face.
Captain Infinity
Dec 5, 2011, 5:53:34 PM12/5/11
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Once Upon A Time,
frequently used by the semi-literate and are, unfortunately, accepted as
replacements for the real words by those who tolerate the semi-literate.
"Thou", on the other hand, is a completely different word with its own
unique meaning, which is not, no matter how illiterate one wishes to
appear, equivalent to "though" or "although". Its usage as such is
indicative of laziness or stupidity, or both.
**
Captain Infinity
Ken from Chicago wrote:
>"Captain Infinity" <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in message
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>> Once Upon A Time,
>> Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>
>>>Thou
>>
>> You do this all the time. Is this really how you think the word "though"
>> is spelled, or are you a Biblical scholar with the word stuck in your
>> head?
>
>"Captain Infinity" <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in message
>news:hm3od71i95pkn51k0...@4ax.com...
>> Once Upon A Time,
>> Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>
>>>Thou
>>
>> You do this all the time. Is this really how you think the word "though"
>> is spelled, or are you a Biblical scholar with the word stuck in your
>> head?
>
>I prefer "tho" (and "altho") myself.
Although both of those are bastardizations of the real words, they are
frequently used by the semi-literate and are, unfortunately, accepted as
replacements for the real words by those who tolerate the semi-literate.
"Thou", on the other hand, is a completely different word with its own
unique meaning, which is not, no matter how illiterate one wishes to
appear, equivalent to "though" or "although". Its usage as such is
indicative of laziness or stupidity, or both.
**
Captain Infinity
Captain Infinity
Dec 5, 2011, 6:01:56 PM12/5/11
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Once Upon A Time,
Something gets released into the atmosphere, or the ocean, evaporating into
the air and then falling into every water supply, infecting mass amounts of
people all at once. Asteroid? Viral strain released by whackjob as in 12
Monkeys? Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time. Lots of
people reanimate at the same time. Most of the living are taken by
surprise when they're bitten, they die, bite, spread spread spread hey holy
shit what the fuck is happening?!!
**
Captain Infinity
the air and then falling into every water supply, infecting mass amounts of
people all at once. Asteroid? Viral strain released by whackjob as in 12
Monkeys? Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time. Lots of
people reanimate at the same time. Most of the living are taken by
surprise when they're bitten, they die, bite, spread spread spread hey holy
shit what the fuck is happening?!!
**
Captain Infinity
Jim G.
Dec 5, 2011, 7:46:06 PM12/5/11
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Mason Barge sent the following on Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:46:10 -0500:
Just give me 11 zombies in helmets and pads...
jack
Dec 5, 2011, 9:32:04 PM12/5/11
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On Dec 5, 6:01 pm, Captain Infinity <Infin...@captaininfinity.us>
wrote:
Probably could be something like King's The Stand, except that the
government virus causes zombies instead of just killing people. There
would be some natural immunity for some tiny percentage of the
population. Not sure if living people are carriers per se; the virus
could be floating out there in the air. Could explain why recently
deceased people zombify at different rates.
As to the comics and the show. Sure the comics have been out a few
years, but when we have an ongoing show, not a one-shot movie, based
on it it is appropriate for some spoiler consideration at least until
both the comic and the show have passed common points in the story.
The zombie takeover is not yet part of our common culture, it's not
yet "soylent green is people", so a fair number of people watching the
show haven't read the comics.
wrote:
government virus causes zombies instead of just killing people. There
would be some natural immunity for some tiny percentage of the
population. Not sure if living people are carriers per se; the virus
could be floating out there in the air. Could explain why recently
deceased people zombify at different rates.
As to the comics and the show. Sure the comics have been out a few
years, but when we have an ongoing show, not a one-shot movie, based
on it it is appropriate for some spoiler consideration at least until
both the comic and the show have passed common points in the story.
The zombie takeover is not yet part of our common culture, it's not
yet "soylent green is people", so a fair number of people watching the
show haven't read the comics.
Thanatos
Dec 5, 2011, 10:16:27 PM12/5/11
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In article
<9c7a2241-4cb0-4d85...@c18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
all be immune together - or that two cops who just happened to be
partners are also part of this tiny percentage of humanity that shared
an immunity to the virus.
<9c7a2241-4cb0-4d85...@c18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
jack <jr...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> Probably could be something like King's The Stand, except that the
> government virus causes zombies instead of just killing people. There
> would be some natural immunity for some tiny percentage of the
> population.
Which would make it exceedingly unbelievable that an entire family would
> Probably could be something like King's The Stand, except that the
> government virus causes zombies instead of just killing people. There
> would be some natural immunity for some tiny percentage of the
> population.
all be immune together - or that two cops who just happened to be
partners are also part of this tiny percentage of humanity that shared
an immunity to the virus.
Duggy
Dec 5, 2011, 10:43:10 PM12/5/11
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On Dec 6, 1:16 pm, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9c7a2241-4cb0-4d85-948b-77995a854...@c18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
===
= DUG.
===
> In article
> <9c7a2241-4cb0-4d85-948b-77995a854...@c18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> jack <j...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> > Probably could be something like King's The Stand, except that the
> > government virus causes zombies instead of just killing people. There
> > would be some natural immunity for some tiny percentage of the
> > population.
>
> Which would make it exceedingly unbelievable that an entire family would
> all be immune together - or that two cops who just happened to be
> partners are also part of this tiny percentage of humanity that shared
> an immunity to the virus.
One of the cops isn't immune.
> jack <j...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> > Probably could be something like King's The Stand, except that the
> > government virus causes zombies instead of just killing people. There
> > would be some natural immunity for some tiny percentage of the
> > population.
>
> Which would make it exceedingly unbelievable that an entire family would
> all be immune together - or that two cops who just happened to be
> partners are also part of this tiny percentage of humanity that shared
> an immunity to the virus.
===
= DUG.
===
Thanatos
Dec 6, 2011, 12:01:10 AM12/6/11
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In article
<59a19a8d-ebff-409f...@e2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Well, they would have to be if they are both still non-zombies after the
zombie-causing virus mentioned above was released.
<59a19a8d-ebff-409f...@e2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
zombie-causing virus mentioned above was released.
anim8rfsk
Dec 6, 2011, 2:13:15 AM12/6/11
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shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:31:35 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>>
>>> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the
>>> zombie apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
>>> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to
>>> accelerate up to a running pace.
>>
>> Not in season two. Now they're faster than humans. Or badgers.
>
> But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
>
>
> But not honey badgers. Those things are bad ass.
>
>>> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
>>> person's bloodstream.
>>
>>> person's bloodstream.
>>
>> We don't know that.
>
> We certainly can assume that based on what we have seen and heard. No
>
> one that has been bitten has failed to die and turn into a zombie.
> That's the belief of the characters we see on TWD and it's based on
> what they've all observed.
But if everybody comes pre-infected ...
>>> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>>
>> We don't know that.
> We know that's not the case. A person that is infected may take at
> least a week to die and turn into a zombie based on what we saw in the
> first season. How quickly someone dies may depend on how much damage
> the zombies do before the person escapes or how much of the zombie
> juices get into the bloodstream of the future infectee.
>
>>> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>>
>>> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>>
>> We don't know that.
>
> We can make that assumption based on what we've seen. Multiple people
>
> have been covered by zombie blood and guts and haven't been infected.
> They probably should have become infected but that's not what we were
> shown.
But if everybody comes pre-infected ...
>
>>> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
>>> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>>
>>> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
>>> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>>
>> We don't know that. Given that their only need is to eat, how would they
>> use more brain function if they had it?
> They would use the higher brain functions to form tools that would
>> use more brain function if they had it?
> enable them to get to their food sources. For instance the walkers in
> the barn could certainly have escaped if they knew how to form tools.
But why? They're being fed, and don't have anywhere else to go.
> As it is they can use their own limbs and seem to understand the
> simplest forms of tools (rocks) but forming a tool from various
> objects looks to be beyond them. That's a GOOD thing. ;)
--
sent from a borrowed ipad
Ken from Chicago
Dec 6, 2011, 2:41:05 AM12/6/11
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"Captain Infinity" <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in message
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constantly changing, adapted by PEOPLE to new and different circumstances.
The point is to communicate ideas and often a key there is context. Thus for
informal settings we often choose one style of language while in a more
formal setting a different style of language. How we communicate in a
doctor's office differs from a courtroom differs from a computer lab. A
"strike" is something a batter wants to avoid in baseball but is eagerly
sought after by a bowler when bowling--which are totally different from
batter in cooking or a bowler in a hat shop.
And yes, living languages where rules can be changed ad hoc (on the fly) can
have its own speed bumps in communication. It's incumbent on the speaker
when using terms radically different than the norm, perhaps outside of their
typical context, to make clear what they are saying so an audience can
comprehend.
However "tho" and "altho" don't seem to be that radical a change--although I
admit "thou" can be a bit somewhat confusing given that it's a very commonly
used word, but in a different context than informal conversation, unless
being used humorously, for mock seriousness. And "althou", yeah, I don't get
dropping the "-gh" but keeping the "u", other than to match "thou" (which
again, why not drop the "u" also?).
Btw, aside from merely tradition's sake, what the frell is so great about
the added SILENT "-ugh" in "though" and "although" or "thought", etc.? It's
a complete waste of letters, space, energy and time, paragraph after
paragraph, page after page, months and years and centuries wasted on typing
or writing extra letters that aren't even used.
And that's even before you get to the arbitrariness of spelling in the
English language, beyond the typical American versus British spellings, is
the utterly insane assimilation of words from other languages WITHOUT
standardizing for EITHER spelling NOR pronunciation, resulting in a hodge
podge of conflicting spelling rules.
No greater sign of the FAILURE to standardize spelling in general is the
Spelling Bee. It simply should NOT be some laudable goal to have memorized
the spellings of legions of words. You SHOULD be able to hear a word you've
never heard before and automatically DEDUCE (not rote-memorize) how it's
spelled and be able to see a word you've never seen before and deduce how
it's pronounced. But nooooooooooooooo!
-- Ken from Chicago
Duggy
Dec 6, 2011, 5:38:19 AM12/6/11
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> <59a19a8d-ebff-409f-9422-195d49f5e...@e2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
The virus doesn't turn the living into zombies.
Idiot.
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= DUG.
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Idiot.
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= DUG.
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Captain Infinity
Dec 6, 2011, 6:13:23 AM12/6/11
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Captain Infinity
Ken from Chicago
Dec 6, 2011, 7:45:15 AM12/6/11
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Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.
-- Ken from Chicago
jack
Dec 6, 2011, 9:35:16 AM12/6/11
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> > > > In article
> > > > <9c7a2241-4cb0-4d85-948b-77995a854...@c18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > jack <j...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> > > > > Probably could be something like King's The Stand, except that the
> > > > > government virus causes zombies instead of just killing people. There
> > > > > would be some natural immunity for some tiny percentage of the
> > > > > population.
> > > > Which would make it exceedingly unbelievable that an entire family would
> > > > all be immune together - or that two cops who just happened to be
> > > > partners are also part of this tiny percentage of humanity that shared
> > > > an immunity to the virus.
> > > One of the cops isn't immune.
> > Well, they would have to be if they are both still non-zombies after the
> > zombie-causing virus mentioned above was released.
can just be a device of the writers'.
But there had to be some initial pandemic; the zombies just spread too
fast for transmission by bite alone. It had to be some combination of
both, as we first saw in Rick's hospital where staff had managed to
barricade a bunch of zombies. We haven't seen any indication of
people already dead and buried rising out of the ground so whatever it
is infects the living and those who then have died after its spread.
Has anyone watched the AMC webisodes on the legless zombie woman from
the first episode of the show? Any clues there?
Thanatos
Dec 6, 2011, 9:56:57 AM12/6/11
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In article
<cf4a91e1-1770-4794...@v11g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
Umm... yeah, it does. That's what we're talking about-- how everyone
turned into zombies all at the same time when the outbreak first
occurred. He postulated that maybe it was a virus that turned millions
all at the same time, then mutated so that only people who died became
zombies. So yeah, initially, it would have turned the living into
zombies.
> Idiot.
Pay attention, then fuck off.
<cf4a91e1-1770-4794...@v11g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
turned into zombies all at the same time when the outbreak first
occurred. He postulated that maybe it was a virus that turned millions
all at the same time, then mutated so that only people who died became
zombies. So yeah, initially, it would have turned the living into
zombies.
> Idiot.
Pay attention, then fuck off.
Thanatos
Dec 6, 2011, 10:01:41 AM12/6/11
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In article
<cbb3e92d-4d4b-4d65...@n1g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
daughter all immune? Or Daryl and Merle, two brothers both immune? And
then there's Hershel, with his entire extended family all immune. The
odds of even one family being like that would be like winning the
lottery. But two or three or four families?
bitten by one before being brought down by a horde. Nothing explains how
they all got that way.
<cbb3e92d-4d4b-4d65...@n1g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
jack <jr...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <9c7a2241-4cb0-4d85-948b-77995a854...@c18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > jack <j...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > Probably could be something like King's The Stand, except
> > > > > > that the government virus causes zombies instead of just
> > > > > > killing people. There would be some natural immunity for
> > > > > > some tiny percentage of the population.
> > > > > Which would make it exceedingly unbelievable that an entire
> > > > > family would all be immune together - or that two cops who
> > > > > just happened to be partners are also part of this tiny
> > > > > percentage of humanity that shared an immunity to the virus.
> > > > One of the cops isn't immune.
> > > Well, they would have to be if they are both still non-zombies
> > > after the zombie-causing virus mentioned above was released.
> Good on both points and perhaps Rich's family together being spared
> can just be a device of the writers'.
It's not just his family. Sophia's family, too. Mother, father and
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <9c7a2241-4cb0-4d85-948b-77995a854...@c18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > jack <j...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > Probably could be something like King's The Stand, except
> > > > > > that the government virus causes zombies instead of just
> > > > > > killing people. There would be some natural immunity for
> > > > > > some tiny percentage of the population.
> > > > > Which would make it exceedingly unbelievable that an entire
> > > > > family would all be immune together - or that two cops who
> > > > > just happened to be partners are also part of this tiny
> > > > > percentage of humanity that shared an immunity to the virus.
> > > > One of the cops isn't immune.
> > > Well, they would have to be if they are both still non-zombies
> > > after the zombie-causing virus mentioned above was released.
> Good on both points and perhaps Rich's family together being spared
> can just be a device of the writers'.
daughter all immune? Or Daryl and Merle, two brothers both immune? And
then there's Hershel, with his entire extended family all immune. The
odds of even one family being like that would be like winning the
lottery. But two or three or four families?
>
> But there had to be some initial pandemic; the zombies just spread too
> fast for transmission by bite alone. It had to be some combination of
> both, as we first saw in Rick's hospital where staff had managed to
> barricade a bunch of zombies. We haven't seen any indication of
> people already dead and buried rising out of the ground so whatever it
> is infects the living and those who then have died after its spread.
>
> Has anyone watched the AMC webisodes on the legless zombie woman from
> the first episode of the show? Any clues there?
Nope. She just gets chased around by a bunch of zombies and eventually
> But there had to be some initial pandemic; the zombies just spread too
> fast for transmission by bite alone. It had to be some combination of
> both, as we first saw in Rick's hospital where staff had managed to
> barricade a bunch of zombies. We haven't seen any indication of
> people already dead and buried rising out of the ground so whatever it
> is infects the living and those who then have died after its spread.
>
> Has anyone watched the AMC webisodes on the legless zombie woman from
> the first episode of the show? Any clues there?
bitten by one before being brought down by a horde. Nothing explains how
they all got that way.
Ed Stasiak
Dec 6, 2011, 4:44:11 PM12/6/11
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> Captain Infinity
works out to around 45,000 living people for every 1 dead person.
While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster, I don't
believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity and for sure,
not within one month.
As Ken from Chicago, myself and others have proposed, there
HAD to be some kinda massive and almost overnight die off of
_millions_ of people for the zombiepocalypse to happen.
>
> Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
> Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time.
> Lots of people reanimate at the same time.
Approximately 150,000 people die every day world wide, which
> Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
> Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time.
> Lots of people reanimate at the same time.
works out to around 45,000 living people for every 1 dead person.
While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster, I don't
believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity and for sure,
not within one month.
As Ken from Chicago, myself and others have proposed, there
HAD to be some kinda massive and almost overnight die off of
_millions_ of people for the zombiepocalypse to happen.
Michael Bowker
Dec 6, 2011, 5:02:53 PM12/6/11
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then start biting people, who then die and reanimate. ...and so on.
They don't know what's going on they try containment, not shooting the
reanimated in the head. More people are infected and die. Systems are
overwhelmed. People panic. Army and police shoot them, they reanimate.
Systems break down, Army units withdraw. Systems collapse,
civilization breaks down. The dead outnumber the living. And in a
little southern hospital a sheriff wakes up. Begin season one.
anim8rfsk
Dec 7, 2011, 8:12:18 AM12/7/11
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anim8rfsk
Dec 7, 2011, 9:04:48 AM12/7/11
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Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>> Captain Infinity
>>
>> Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
>> Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time.
>> Lots of people reanimate at the same time.
>
> Approximately 150,000 people die every day world wide, which
> works out to around 45,000 living people for every 1 dead person.
>
> While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster, I don't
> believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity and for sure,
> not within one month.
That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of that month?
>> Captain Infinity
>>
>> Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
>> Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time.
>> Lots of people reanimate at the same time.
>
> Approximately 150,000 people die every day world wide, which
> works out to around 45,000 living people for every 1 dead person.
>
> While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster, I don't
> believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity and for sure,
> not within one month.
If they each just bit one person, then 10 million ... i'd think the worst
place to be would be somewhere with a lot of people and limited exits, like
NYC. Once the panicked populace jams the tunnels and bridges, it's all
over.
But definitely worst case is if everybody is already infected, and
everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no stopping
it, no way to barricade against it. Your only hope would be if the walkers
run out of steam eventually, which you'd think they'd have to, but which
they show no sign of doing.
Another possibility is that the infection can kill all by itself, and that
all the sick and infirm or susceptible dropped dead that first month - now
you've got millions or billions right out of the gate.
shawn
Dec 7, 2011, 12:58:11 PM12/7/11
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:04:48 GMT, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>>> Captain Infinity
>>>
>>> Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
>>> Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time.
>>> Lots of people reanimate at the same time.
>>
>> Approximately 150,000 people die every day world wide, which
>> works out to around 45,000 living people for every 1 dead person.
>>
>> While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster, I don't
>> believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity and for sure,
>> not within one month.
>
>That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of that month?
> If they each just bit one person, then 10 million ... i'd think the worst
>place to be would be somewhere with a lot of people and limited exits, like
>NYC. Once the panicked populace jams the tunnels and bridges, it's all
>over.
>
>But definitely worst case is if everybody is already infected, and
>everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no stopping
>it, no way to barricade against it. Your only hope would be if the walkers
>run out of steam eventually, which you'd think they'd have to, but which
>they show no sign of doing.
They probably will decay to a point of being no threat but that may
>Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>>> Captain Infinity
>>>
>>> Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
>>> Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time.
>>> Lots of people reanimate at the same time.
>>
>> Approximately 150,000 people die every day world wide, which
>> works out to around 45,000 living people for every 1 dead person.
>>
>> While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster, I don't
>> believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity and for sure,
>> not within one month.
>
>That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of that month?
> If they each just bit one person, then 10 million ... i'd think the worst
>place to be would be somewhere with a lot of people and limited exits, like
>NYC. Once the panicked populace jams the tunnels and bridges, it's all
>over.
>
>But definitely worst case is if everybody is already infected, and
>everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no stopping
>it, no way to barricade against it. Your only hope would be if the walkers
>run out of steam eventually, which you'd think they'd have to, but which
>they show no sign of doing.
take a few years. As it is we are only a few months since the zombies
first started showing up. So we don't see many walkers that have
reached the point of being ineffective as hunters. Only those that
were either decayed to the point of being unable to move (well walker)
or were eaten to the point of being unable to move much (hanging guy
and the bicycle woman from S1.)
>Another possibility is that the infection can kill all by itself, and that
>all the sick and infirm or susceptible dropped dead that first month - now
>you've got millions or billions right out of the gate.
survived being near death suggests the infection isn't that strong
unless it comes in fresh (as in a zombie bite.) Or it's just that the
writers haven't given much thought to this aspect of the story so we
get inconsistent information from the show.
Ed Stasiak
Dec 7, 2011, 5:25:52 PM12/7/11
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> Michael Bowker
> > Ed Stasiak
mythology, it's a straight up question of mathematics and
human (animal) nature.
The odds are seriously stacked against the zombies to
start with and even zombiepocalypse newbies will quickly
understand that these things, whatever they are, are really
dangerous and thus the instinct for self-preservation will
kick-in and they will deal with the problem accordingly.
Sure, lots of people will die (and zombify) before that but
a zombiepocalypse that spreads thru bites alone, is not
enough to overwhelm the 7,000,000,000 people on the
planet.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster,
> > I don't believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity
>
> > While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster,
> > I don't believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity
>
> These are a people that didn't have Romero.
It's not a question of a culture having an existing zombie
mythology, it's a straight up question of mathematics and
human (animal) nature.
The odds are seriously stacked against the zombies to
start with and even zombiepocalypse newbies will quickly
understand that these things, whatever they are, are really
dangerous and thus the instinct for self-preservation will
kick-in and they will deal with the problem accordingly.
Sure, lots of people will die (and zombify) before that but
a zombiepocalypse that spreads thru bites alone, is not
enough to overwhelm the 7,000,000,000 people on the
planet.
Ed Stasiak
Dec 7, 2011, 5:52:55 PM12/7/11
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> anim8rfsk
> > Ed Stasiak
attacks, car accidents and such due to other factors related to the
zombiepocalypse.
> But definitely worst case is if everybody is already infected, and
> everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no
> stopping it, no way to barricade against it.
You're assuming the living will just stand around dumbfounded
until they're bit by a zombie, and so on and so on.
But people don't behave that way, when threatened (even by
something they've never encountered before) they react and
being humans, they frequently react very violently.
If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
> Another possibility is that the infection can kill all by itself, and
> that all the sick and infirm or susceptible dropped dead that first
> month - now you've got millions or billions right out of the gate.
Exactly, something killed off tons of people *just like that* and
what few living people are left, are immediately on the run.
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster
>
> > While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster
>
> That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of
> that month?
Sounds about right, as additional people will be dying from heart
> that month?
attacks, car accidents and such due to other factors related to the
zombiepocalypse.
> But definitely worst case is if everybody is already infected, and
> everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no
> stopping it, no way to barricade against it.
until they're bit by a zombie, and so on and so on.
But people don't behave that way, when threatened (even by
something they've never encountered before) they react and
being humans, they frequently react very violently.
If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
> Another possibility is that the infection can kill all by itself, and
> that all the sick and infirm or susceptible dropped dead that first
> month - now you've got millions or billions right out of the gate.
what few living people are left, are immediately on the run.
Ed Stasiak
Dec 7, 2011, 5:57:29 PM12/7/11
to
> shawn
I'm not hip to the rate a corpse decays in the open air but
I'd guess that rotting muscles and tendons will quickly
detach from the bones, rendering the zombie immobile.
Thou someone mentioned that maybe even bacteria will
not feed off a zombie, which would give them a longer
"lifespan".
>
> They probably will decay to a point of being no threat but
> that may take a few years.
The zombies ought to be falling apart long before that.
> They probably will decay to a point of being no threat but
> that may take a few years.
I'm not hip to the rate a corpse decays in the open air but
I'd guess that rotting muscles and tendons will quickly
detach from the bones, rendering the zombie immobile.
Thou someone mentioned that maybe even bacteria will
not feed off a zombie, which would give them a longer
"lifespan".
Duggy
Dec 7, 2011, 6:01:10 PM12/7/11
to
On Dec 8, 8:52 am, Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net> wrote:
> You're assuming the living will just stand around dumbfounded
> until they're bit by a zombie, and so on and so on.
> But people don't behave that way, when threatened (even by
> something they've never encountered before) they react and
> being humans, they frequently react very violently.
> If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
> you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
Massacres suggest otherwise.
> You're assuming the living will just stand around dumbfounded
> until they're bit by a zombie, and so on and so on.
> But people don't behave that way, when threatened (even by
> something they've never encountered before) they react and
> being humans, they frequently react very violently.
> If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
> you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
===
= DUG.
===
Ed Stasiak
Dec 7, 2011, 6:19:49 PM12/7/11
to
> anim8rfsk
> > Ed Stasiak
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster
>
> > While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster
>
> That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of
> that month?
> that month?
Sounds about right, as additional people will be dying from heart
attacks, car accidents and such due to other factors related to the
zombiepocalypse.
attacks, car accidents and such due to other factors related to the
zombiepocalypse.
> But definitely worst case is if everybody is already infected, and
> everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no
> stopping it, no way to barricade against it.
> everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no
> stopping it, no way to barricade against it.
You're assuming the living will just stand around dumbfounded
until they're bit by a zombie, and so on and so on.
But people don't behave that way, when threatened (even by
something they've never encountered before) they react and
being humans, they frequently react very violently.
If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
until they're bit by a zombie, and so on and so on.
But people don't behave that way, when threatened (even by
something they've never encountered before) they react and
being humans, they frequently react very violently.
If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
> Another possibility is that the infection can kill all by itself, and
> that all the sick and infirm or susceptible dropped dead that first
> month - now you've got millions or billions right out of the gate.
> that all the sick and infirm or susceptible dropped dead that first
> month - now you've got millions or billions right out of the gate.
Ed Stasiak
Dec 7, 2011, 6:33:32 PM12/7/11
to
> Duggy
> > Ed Stasiak
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
> > you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
>
> Massacres suggest otherwise.
Not sure what you mean?
> > If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
> > you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
>
> Massacres suggest otherwise.
Mason Barge
Dec 7, 2011, 6:50:44 PM12/7/11
to
Mason Barge
Dec 7, 2011, 6:52:16 PM12/7/11
to
Mason Barge
Dec 7, 2011, 6:55:23 PM12/7/11
to
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:44:11 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net>
wrote:
Well, the growth would be geometric at first. There would be a lot of
people trying to help the poor sick person.
wrote:
people trying to help the poor sick person.
inf...@mindspring.com
Dec 7, 2011, 7:00:54 PM12/7/11
to
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:33:32 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net>
wrote:
I suspect he's talking about the Bystander Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
though it's applicability is questionable.
wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
though it's applicability is questionable.
Mason Barge
Dec 7, 2011, 7:01:16 PM12/7/11
to
>Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>>> Captain Infinity
>>>
>>> Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
>>> Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time.
>>> Lots of people reanimate at the same time.
>>
>> Approximately 150,000 people die every day world wide, which
>> works out to around 45,000 living people for every 1 dead person.
>>
>> While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster, I don't
>> believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity and for sure,
>> not within one month.
>
>That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of that month?
Pfft. If you started with 150k, you'd be a 5 million in a day or two. I
>>> Captain Infinity
>>>
>>> Infection remains dormant until a person dies, of whatever cause.
>>> Lots of people die at the same time around the world all the time.
>>> Lots of people reanimate at the same time.
>>
>> Approximately 150,000 people die every day world wide, which
>> works out to around 45,000 living people for every 1 dead person.
>>
>> While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster, I don't
>> believe it would be enough to overwhelm humanity and for sure,
>> not within one month.
>
>That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of that month?
figure one zombie could infect 10-15 in a day, easy, until word got out.
And it would be a while until people starting being willing to just kill
them, knew how to kill them, etc.
Where it gets unrealistic (using the term advisedly, LOL) is when the
zombies hit about the 1 billion mark. You'd have humans organizing kill
parties while they still outnumber them. Hell, in Georgia the government
would have to sell licenses.
Hunter
Dec 7, 2011, 7:02:52 PM12/7/11
to
In article <jbffen$36m$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, kwicker1...@comcast.net
says...
It think depends on the state of decomp and if they have any injuries to their
legs, eitther before or after they died. Some are relatively fast presumably
because they recently died and are otherwise uninjured, while others are in bad
shape because they have been dead a relatively long time or maybe a living
human took a shot gun to their legs for example. Can't run too fast with a knee
blown out living or dead. The mechanics won't allow it LOL!
Very likely.
Which is what certainily happened to Amy and Sophia
It seems so and good thing or every zombie human fight would have to be at a
distance. Not very dramatic after a while. :-)
That is almost exactly what it is, however they do retain a very vague sense of
what they were when they were alive, which is why we see them sitting in church
in buses or walking up to the door of where they used to live. Also at least
one had the good sense to try to use a cinder block or stone to break a window.
:-)
>
> So how on Earth could they have wiped out most of human civilization? much
> less during the time Rick was in a coma?
----
Good question
>
> That's the key, Rick's coma. Seeing how muscle atrophy would normally set in
> after a couple of weeks in a coma, Rick couldn't have been in one for more
> than say a months time.
----
I understand what you are saying but the writers aren't going to wait to have
him have physical therapy so he could walk again. They covered it by having him
stumbling around for a few minutes, just like they writers of "Kill Bill" did
with Uma Thurman's character who supposed to have been under for about a year
or more but still was able to kick a guy's ass-with the help of a door-that
tried to rape her while she was in a coma. :-)
For the record in the comic he was in a coma for a month and I believe it was
the same for the series.
>
> If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak was a
> mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people. It had to be some kind of
> water- or air-borne disease that struck a major metropolitan center--namely
> a major center of air traffic (e.g., Chicago, NYC, LA, London, Paris, Tokyo,
> Beijing, Moscow, etc.).
---
Agreed. My personal theory is that living people are infected by the
air/waterborne diease but doesn't kill them, but when they die from someother
cause, like say being shot to death or in a car wreck the body will reanimate.
Something like seven thousand people die every day (this includes babies and
toddlers) so it would start from there.
>
> Naturally there would be some people immune to that initial outbreak. But
> that's okay, (alright, maybe not the right choice of words), because the
> infection mutates, and becomes transmissible by biting and directly
> infecting a person's bloodstream. This is more virulent and fewer, if any,
> people are immune to this form of the infection--as demonstrated by massive
> numbers of people waking up zombies and attacking everyone around them.
---
And in the chaos more people die than the normal 7,000 per day like in car
crashes and other mayhem and they reanimate as well.
>
> That would explain the downfall of civilization. As governments, police and
> militaries try to maintain and ever-slipping grip, more and more drastic
> measures are taking to deal with the walkers, e.g., mass killing of anyone
> who is infected, napalming cities with strong outbreaks, gassing highways of
> zombies, again, there is plenty of "collateral damage" as innocents are in
> the crossfire--just to be sure.
----
We saw a little of that in the flash back in the first season of the soldiers
executing the people in the hospital even though they were alive and appeared
healthy-in terms that they weren't zombies that is.
>
> Natch, that fails and societies and organizations breakdown as people try to
> save their own families and loved ones, stock up supplies, barricade
> themselves in, only to be caught out in the open or die of starvation or
> thirst, or the secretly bit barricaded on the inside, not to mention mass
> suicides as people lose hope. And then there are other people, ragtag ad hoc
> groups scrounging for survival, hoping against the odds there might be a
> future.
-----
I have a theory as to why we saw some dead none zombie people in the cars at
the traffic jam. They were caught in a zombie pack like we saw in the second
season premier. Of course as long as there is live meat in the car they aren't
going to leave, so the unfortunate people who probably had all the availible
food in the trunk and couldn't drive away were trapped in the cars and slowly
starved to death. The only thing wrong is that this goes against the theory
that every body is infected even if they aren't turned into zombies. If they
were then why didn't the starvation victims-if that is what they are-turn into
zombies when they died? :-)
>
> This is the world Rick wakes to.
>
> Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or planned on
> revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse arose and instead
> wanted to focus on a character piece about how one is affected in PAW where
> society has broken down and you have to rebuild the old morality, or do you
> create a new morality?
----
Actually here is what Kirkman said on the issue. It is quoted on The Walking
Dead Wikia:
Cause of the Zombie outbreak and government collapse
Kirkman explained that going back to explain how the government originality
collapsed, "...doesn't interest me, for the time being...I may change my mind
eventually."[3] As to the cause of the zombie outbreak, Kirkman wrote, "I have
ideas [about the cause of the zombie plague]...but it's nothing set in stone
because I never plan on writing it. So yes...I do know...kind of."[4]
In response to a question:
"I think you should elaborate more on how people can turn into zombies
without one biting you, or how this whole mess started in the first place. Was
it like a plague or a rapture kind of thing?"
Kirkman responded:
"...That starts to get into the origin of all this stuff, and I think
that's unimportant to the series itself, There will be smaller answers as
things progress ... but never will we see the whole picture."[5]
http://tinyurl.com/6wqhorc
>
> That seems to be the tv series' focus, and it's what a lot of fans are
> picking up on, discussing and debating. The problem is that the series
> itself can be rather clumsy in presenting that character study in
> interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways, which is what a lot of
> viewers have been critical of the series for. That seems to be the heart of
> the debate amongst viewers, what series could be versus what it has been.
----
YMMV
>
> If that's the direction THE WALKING DEAD is heading, they really need to
> step up their game in character development. The irony is that good
> conversation scenes can be as good as many an action scene and a lot cheaper
> (an issue of ... some ... note with TPTB at AMC), yet the series has done a
> lot better, entertainment- and even character-wise, with the action scenes
> that SHOW the characters under pressure.
----
I unlike some I still think the discussions are fine because I do think they
are to set up for something more profund. Like if everyone is infected and will
become a zombie when they die regardless of method of death why bring a baby
into the world?
>
> If they can step up their writing, they could have BOTH entertaining
> episodes and save money on the budget. You could get the show truly making
> its potential a reality.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> P.S. Then again, that's a common debate, the potential versus the reality,
> for a lot of tv and movies that have an element of something really cool but
> are inconsistent or sometimes flat out fall down on the execution.
----
As indicated in the above link, we may never get an answer because Robert
Kirkman th creator and writer of the Walking Dead comic book and is a executive
producer and a writer on the TV show is on record as not being interested in
those things. It is almost like Kirman set it up as a thought experiment (like
the great History Channel documentary "Life After People". We need not be
concerned with how and why the zombies arose, just that is what the world is
and how the still living people react to it.
So no one hold their breath for an answer in the TV show or the comic.
Your analysis is a good one and I agree with much of it. I lean toward thinking
everyone's infected, including Rick, Lori, Carl etc. so when say Dale dies even
of say a heart attack, he will become a Walker because I agree that bitting
people would not be able to spread the deasieas so fast.
But then we come back to the deaths on the highway. That is the big whole in
the everyone's infected and will come back as a zombie theory.
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
says...
>
> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the zombie
> apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to accelerate
> up to a running pace.
-----
> One of the nagging questions about THE WALKING DEAD is how could the zombie
> apocalypse occur given what's been observed about the walkers:
> --They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time to accelerate
> up to a running pace.
It think depends on the state of decomp and if they have any injuries to their
legs, eitther before or after they died. Some are relatively fast presumably
because they recently died and are otherwise uninjured, while others are in bad
shape because they have been dead a relatively long time or maybe a living
human took a shot gun to their legs for example. Can't run too fast with a knee
blown out living or dead. The mechanics won't allow it LOL!
>
> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
> person's bloodstream.
----
> --They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
> person's bloodstream.
Very likely.
>
> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
---
> --An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
Which is what certainily happened to Amy and Sophia
>
> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
----
> --Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
It seems so and good thing or every zombie human fight would have to be at a
distance. Not very dramatic after a while. :-)
>
> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
----
> --They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
That is almost exactly what it is, however they do retain a very vague sense of
what they were when they were alive, which is why we see them sitting in church
in buses or walking up to the door of where they used to live. Also at least
one had the good sense to try to use a cinder block or stone to break a window.
:-)
>
> So how on Earth could they have wiped out most of human civilization? much
> less during the time Rick was in a coma?
----
Good question
>
> That's the key, Rick's coma. Seeing how muscle atrophy would normally set in
> after a couple of weeks in a coma, Rick couldn't have been in one for more
> than say a months time.
----
I understand what you are saying but the writers aren't going to wait to have
him have physical therapy so he could walk again. They covered it by having him
stumbling around for a few minutes, just like they writers of "Kill Bill" did
with Uma Thurman's character who supposed to have been under for about a year
or more but still was able to kick a guy's ass-with the help of a door-that
tried to rape her while she was in a coma. :-)
For the record in the comic he was in a coma for a month and I believe it was
the same for the series.
>
> If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak was a
> mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people. It had to be some kind of
> water- or air-borne disease that struck a major metropolitan center--namely
> a major center of air traffic (e.g., Chicago, NYC, LA, London, Paris, Tokyo,
> Beijing, Moscow, etc.).
---
Agreed. My personal theory is that living people are infected by the
air/waterborne diease but doesn't kill them, but when they die from someother
cause, like say being shot to death or in a car wreck the body will reanimate.
Something like seven thousand people die every day (this includes babies and
toddlers) so it would start from there.
>
> Naturally there would be some people immune to that initial outbreak. But
> that's okay, (alright, maybe not the right choice of words), because the
> infection mutates, and becomes transmissible by biting and directly
> infecting a person's bloodstream. This is more virulent and fewer, if any,
> people are immune to this form of the infection--as demonstrated by massive
> numbers of people waking up zombies and attacking everyone around them.
---
And in the chaos more people die than the normal 7,000 per day like in car
crashes and other mayhem and they reanimate as well.
>
> That would explain the downfall of civilization. As governments, police and
> militaries try to maintain and ever-slipping grip, more and more drastic
> measures are taking to deal with the walkers, e.g., mass killing of anyone
> who is infected, napalming cities with strong outbreaks, gassing highways of
> zombies, again, there is plenty of "collateral damage" as innocents are in
> the crossfire--just to be sure.
----
We saw a little of that in the flash back in the first season of the soldiers
executing the people in the hospital even though they were alive and appeared
healthy-in terms that they weren't zombies that is.
>
> Natch, that fails and societies and organizations breakdown as people try to
> save their own families and loved ones, stock up supplies, barricade
> themselves in, only to be caught out in the open or die of starvation or
> thirst, or the secretly bit barricaded on the inside, not to mention mass
> suicides as people lose hope. And then there are other people, ragtag ad hoc
> groups scrounging for survival, hoping against the odds there might be a
> future.
-----
I have a theory as to why we saw some dead none zombie people in the cars at
the traffic jam. They were caught in a zombie pack like we saw in the second
season premier. Of course as long as there is live meat in the car they aren't
going to leave, so the unfortunate people who probably had all the availible
food in the trunk and couldn't drive away were trapped in the cars and slowly
starved to death. The only thing wrong is that this goes against the theory
that every body is infected even if they aren't turned into zombies. If they
were then why didn't the starvation victims-if that is what they are-turn into
zombies when they died? :-)
>
> This is the world Rick wakes to.
>
> Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or planned on
> revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse arose and instead
> wanted to focus on a character piece about how one is affected in PAW where
> society has broken down and you have to rebuild the old morality, or do you
> create a new morality?
----
Actually here is what Kirkman said on the issue. It is quoted on The Walking
Dead Wikia:
Cause of the Zombie outbreak and government collapse
Kirkman explained that going back to explain how the government originality
collapsed, "...doesn't interest me, for the time being...I may change my mind
eventually."[3] As to the cause of the zombie outbreak, Kirkman wrote, "I have
ideas [about the cause of the zombie plague]...but it's nothing set in stone
because I never plan on writing it. So yes...I do know...kind of."[4]
In response to a question:
"I think you should elaborate more on how people can turn into zombies
without one biting you, or how this whole mess started in the first place. Was
it like a plague or a rapture kind of thing?"
Kirkman responded:
"...That starts to get into the origin of all this stuff, and I think
that's unimportant to the series itself, There will be smaller answers as
things progress ... but never will we see the whole picture."[5]
http://tinyurl.com/6wqhorc
>
> That seems to be the tv series' focus, and it's what a lot of fans are
> picking up on, discussing and debating. The problem is that the series
> itself can be rather clumsy in presenting that character study in
> interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways, which is what a lot of
> viewers have been critical of the series for. That seems to be the heart of
> the debate amongst viewers, what series could be versus what it has been.
----
YMMV
>
> If that's the direction THE WALKING DEAD is heading, they really need to
> step up their game in character development. The irony is that good
> conversation scenes can be as good as many an action scene and a lot cheaper
> (an issue of ... some ... note with TPTB at AMC), yet the series has done a
> lot better, entertainment- and even character-wise, with the action scenes
> that SHOW the characters under pressure.
----
I unlike some I still think the discussions are fine because I do think they
are to set up for something more profund. Like if everyone is infected and will
become a zombie when they die regardless of method of death why bring a baby
into the world?
>
> If they can step up their writing, they could have BOTH entertaining
> episodes and save money on the budget. You could get the show truly making
> its potential a reality.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> P.S. Then again, that's a common debate, the potential versus the reality,
> for a lot of tv and movies that have an element of something really cool but
> are inconsistent or sometimes flat out fall down on the execution.
----
As indicated in the above link, we may never get an answer because Robert
Kirkman th creator and writer of the Walking Dead comic book and is a executive
producer and a writer on the TV show is on record as not being interested in
those things. It is almost like Kirman set it up as a thought experiment (like
the great History Channel documentary "Life After People". We need not be
concerned with how and why the zombies arose, just that is what the world is
and how the still living people react to it.
So no one hold their breath for an answer in the TV show or the comic.
Your analysis is a good one and I agree with much of it. I lean toward thinking
everyone's infected, including Rick, Lori, Carl etc. so when say Dale dies even
of say a heart attack, he will become a Walker because I agree that bitting
people would not be able to spread the deasieas so fast.
But then we come back to the deaths on the highway. That is the big whole in
the everyone's infected and will come back as a zombie theory.
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
shawn
Dec 7, 2011, 7:50:56 PM12/7/11
to
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:57:29 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net>
wrote:
>> shawn
>>
>> They probably will decay to a point of being no threat but
>> that may take a few years.
>
>The zombies ought to be falling apart long before that.
>
>I'm not hip to the rate a corpse decays in the open air but
>I'd guess that rotting muscles and tendons will quickly
>detach from the bones, rendering the zombie immobile.
A corpse , yes. Zombies.. not so much. With a real corpse within two
weeks there wouldn't be much left in the Georgia summer heat, but
walkers aren't like a normal corpse. Something is keeping them going
so the decay rate is greatly decreased. How much is something we don't
know but it's obviously the case since we have people that died near
the start of the apocalypse (the bicycle woman) and yet they are still
moving and looking for food.
>Thou someone mentioned that maybe even bacteria will
>not feed off a zombie, which would give them a longer
>"lifespan".
Yes, something like that seems to be happening. Though that raises the
issue of what is causing the decay we see in the zombies. In the end,
it's best to just accept zombies as entertainment because there are
too many problems when you try to come up with logicial and scientific
explanations behind a possible zombie apocolypse as too many things
don't hold together from what we know of the world.
wrote:
>> shawn
>>
>> They probably will decay to a point of being no threat but
>> that may take a few years.
>
>The zombies ought to be falling apart long before that.
>
>I'm not hip to the rate a corpse decays in the open air but
>I'd guess that rotting muscles and tendons will quickly
>detach from the bones, rendering the zombie immobile.
weeks there wouldn't be much left in the Georgia summer heat, but
walkers aren't like a normal corpse. Something is keeping them going
so the decay rate is greatly decreased. How much is something we don't
know but it's obviously the case since we have people that died near
the start of the apocalypse (the bicycle woman) and yet they are still
moving and looking for food.
>Thou someone mentioned that maybe even bacteria will
>not feed off a zombie, which would give them a longer
>"lifespan".
issue of what is causing the decay we see in the zombies. In the end,
it's best to just accept zombies as entertainment because there are
too many problems when you try to come up with logicial and scientific
explanations behind a possible zombie apocolypse as too many things
don't hold together from what we know of the world.
Duggy
Dec 7, 2011, 9:28:12 PM12/7/11
to
On Dec 8, 10:02 am, Hunter <buffhun...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> But then we come back to the deaths on the highway. That is the big whole in
> the everyone's infected and will come back as a zombie theory.
The deaths on the highway were probably early deaths and so maybe they
> But then we come back to the deaths on the highway. That is the big whole in
> the everyone's infected and will come back as a zombie theory.
weren't infected yet.
Or natural immunity.
===
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Ubiquitous
Dec 6, 2011, 8:56:30 PM12/6/11
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mason...@gmail.com wrote:
--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."
>On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:23:57 -0800, Thanatos <atr...@mac.com> wrote:
>> Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>> Ed Stasiak <esta...@att.net> wrote:
>>> > I'm going to point this out since people may not be aware of the
>>> > comic. What you are posting is a huge spoiler since it hasn't been
>>> > brought up in the show (and it is possible it may never come up.)
>>> > You really should be giving some sort of spoiler warning.
>>>
>>> And I'll point out that the comic has been in publication since 2003
>>> and as any discussion of the TV series will inevitably result in the
>>> comic being mentioned, it's not a spoiler.
>>>
>>> Also; Darth Vader is Luke's father.
>>
>>And the boat sinks at the end of 'Titanic'.
>
>And Jesus dies at the end of "Passion of the Christ".
>
>By the way, does someone refloat the Titanic in a sequel?
You mean "Raise the Titanic"?
>>> > comic. What you are posting is a huge spoiler since it hasn't been
>>> > brought up in the show (and it is possible it may never come up.)
>>> > You really should be giving some sort of spoiler warning.
>>>
>>> And I'll point out that the comic has been in publication since 2003
>>> and as any discussion of the TV series will inevitably result in the
>>> comic being mentioned, it's not a spoiler.
>>>
>>> Also; Darth Vader is Luke's father.
>>
>>And the boat sinks at the end of 'Titanic'.
>
>And Jesus dies at the end of "Passion of the Christ".
>
>By the way, does someone refloat the Titanic in a sequel?
--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."
Duggy
Dec 7, 2011, 9:30:32 PM12/7/11
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On Dec 8, 10:00 am, info...@mindspring.com wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:33:32 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net>
bystander effect applies.
Once knowledge of something horrible happening the runaway affect
applies.
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> On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:33:32 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> Duggy
> >> > Ed Stasiak
>
> >> > If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
> >> > you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
>
> >> Massacres suggest otherwise.
>
> >Not sure what you mean?
>
> I suspect he's talking about the Bystander Effect
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
>
> though it's applicability is questionable.
In the immediate surprise someone attack someone sense, then,
>
> >> Duggy
> >> > Ed Stasiak
>
> >> > If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
> >> > you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
>
> >> Massacres suggest otherwise.
>
> >Not sure what you mean?
>
> I suspect he's talking about the Bystander Effect
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
>
> though it's applicability is questionable.
bystander effect applies.
Once knowledge of something horrible happening the runaway affect
applies.
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inf...@mindspring.com
Dec 7, 2011, 10:20:23 PM12/7/11
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Duggy
Dec 7, 2011, 10:33:50 PM12/7/11
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Ken from Chicago
Dec 8, 2011, 7:03:04 AM12/8/11
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Unlimited zombie hunting licenses.
-- Ken from Chicago
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-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Dec 7, 2011, 8:19:00 PM12/7/11
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going around the internet and twitter about rabid folks biting people. Plus
there'd be Youtube videos of said "sick" people. It wouldn't take long for
law enforcement to make public announcements since the zombies are
relatively slow, easily identified as non-speaking (again, announcements
would have to stress NON-speaking, not slurred speaking, or else a lot of
drunk people are gonna get beat up or killed) and relatively easily dealt
with one-on-one.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Dec 8, 2011, 7:03:14 AM12/8/11
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sick.
>> Another possibility is that the infection can kill all by itself, and
>> that all the sick and infirm or susceptible dropped dead that first
>> month - now you've got millions or billions right out of the gate.
>
> Exactly, something killed off tons of people *just like that* and
> what few living people are left, are immediately on the run.
Agreed.
-- Ken from Chicago
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>> anim8rfsk
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster
>>
>> That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of
>> that month?
>
> Sounds about right, as additional people will be dying from heart
> attacks, car accidents and such due to other factors related to the
> zombiepocalypse.
>
>> But definitely worst case is if everybody is already infected, and
>> everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no
>> stopping it, no way to barricade against it.
>
> You're assuming the living will just stand around dumbfounded
> until they're bit by a zombie, and so on and so on.
>
> But people don't behave that way, when threatened (even by
> something they've never encountered before) they react and
> being humans, they frequently react very violently.
>
> If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
> you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
To wit the military shooting anyone and everyone in hospitals who even look
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > While 150K zombies rising from dead would be a disaster
>>
>> That 150k would be closing in on, what, 5 million by the end of
>> that month?
>
> Sounds about right, as additional people will be dying from heart
> attacks, car accidents and such due to other factors related to the
> zombiepocalypse.
>
>> But definitely worst case is if everybody is already infected, and
>> everybody rises no matter how they die, because then there's no
>> stopping it, no way to barricade against it.
>
> You're assuming the living will just stand around dumbfounded
> until they're bit by a zombie, and so on and so on.
>
> But people don't behave that way, when threatened (even by
> something they've never encountered before) they react and
> being humans, they frequently react very violently.
>
> If you saw your neighbor being ripped to pieces by a zombie,
> you aren't going to try to negotiate, you'll just start shooting.
sick.
>> Another possibility is that the infection can kill all by itself, and
>> that all the sick and infirm or susceptible dropped dead that first
>> month - now you've got millions or billions right out of the gate.
>
> Exactly, something killed off tons of people *just like that* and
> what few living people are left, are immediately on the run.
-- Ken from Chicago
jack
Dec 8, 2011, 11:45:55 AM12/8/11
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On Dec 7, 8:19 pm, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "Mason Barge" <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:44:11 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net>
The Zombie Digestive system: Wondering about how to know a zombie is
coming your way. We know that zombies do more than just chomp on you;
they eat as much of you as they can. So what happens next? Do they
have a metabolism that actively requires nutrition to survive? Can
they starve to second-death? The food in their stomachs, say like a
woodchuck, does it digest? If not does it just stay there, get
reguritated? Do they excrete? If a zombie's food just sits in its
stomach it will rot and decay, which smells. If it is digested, then
we have never seen them have any more sense of hygiene in this regard
than a horse. In other words, after a couple of days wouldn't a herd
of walkers, or even individuals, simply stink to high heaven and you
could tell they're coming from a long way off, even if you're
upwind?
Just curious.
wrote:
> "Mason Barge" <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
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>
>
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> > On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:44:11 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net>
coming your way. We know that zombies do more than just chomp on you;
they eat as much of you as they can. So what happens next? Do they
have a metabolism that actively requires nutrition to survive? Can
they starve to second-death? The food in their stomachs, say like a
woodchuck, does it digest? If not does it just stay there, get
reguritated? Do they excrete? If a zombie's food just sits in its
stomach it will rot and decay, which smells. If it is digested, then
we have never seen them have any more sense of hygiene in this regard
than a horse. In other words, after a couple of days wouldn't a herd
of walkers, or even individuals, simply stink to high heaven and you
could tell they're coming from a long way off, even if you're
upwind?
Just curious.
Jim G.
Dec 8, 2011, 1:16:44 PM12/8/11
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Mason Barge sent the following on Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:50:44 -0500:
Am I giving them too much credit? Just think of them as Zombie 2.0.
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
NoCLoDS Founding Member (No Cop, Lawyer or Doctor Shows)
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Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
NoCLoDS Founding Member (No Cop, Lawyer or Doctor Shows)
Duggy
Dec 8, 2011, 8:02:09 PM12/8/11
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On Dec 8, 11:19 am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> Plus there'd be Youtube videos of said "sick" people.
How quickly would enough people see it?
> It wouldn't take long for
> law enforcement to make public announcements since the zombies are
> relatively slow, easily identified as non-speaking (again, announcements
> would have to stress NON-speaking, not slurred speaking, or else a lot of
> drunk people are gonna get beat up or killed) and relatively easily dealt
> with one-on-one.
Law Enforcement would be the first killed.
They'd be called to violent drunk attacking people.
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wrote:
> Again, it's not like it's the 1970s. There would be plenty of word of mouth
> going around the internet and twitter about rabid folks biting people.
Probably some meme going around, ignore it.
> going around the internet and twitter about rabid folks biting people.
> Plus there'd be Youtube videos of said "sick" people.
> It wouldn't take long for
> law enforcement to make public announcements since the zombies are
> relatively slow, easily identified as non-speaking (again, announcements
> would have to stress NON-speaking, not slurred speaking, or else a lot of
> drunk people are gonna get beat up or killed) and relatively easily dealt
> with one-on-one.
They'd be called to violent drunk attacking people.
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Ken from Chicago
Dec 9, 2011, 4:04:03 AM12/9/11
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Sure there would be some officer friendly that end up bit, but bite deaths
are far from instantaneous. They'd live long enough to report being bit.
Meanwhile other cops would be the ones to shoot and / or taze the "drunk"
people going around trying to bite everyone. There are plenty enough cases
where cops have gone overboard with regular people, there'd be some who
won't take any sass from violent people approaching them menacingly and
refusing to respond to orders.
-- Ken from Chicago
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are far from instantaneous. They'd live long enough to report being bit.
Meanwhile other cops would be the ones to shoot and / or taze the "drunk"
people going around trying to bite everyone. There are plenty enough cases
where cops have gone overboard with regular people, there'd be some who
won't take any sass from violent people approaching them menacingly and
refusing to respond to orders.
-- Ken from Chicago
Duggy
Dec 9, 2011, 9:10:24 AM12/9/11
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On Dec 9, 7:04 pm, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> Meanwhile other cops would be the ones to shoot and / or taze the "drunk"
> people going around trying to bite everyone.
Shoot unarmed drunks? Really?
> There are plenty enough cases
> where cops have gone overboard with regular people,
A very small number of highly reported cases.
> there'd be some who
> won't take any sass
They shoot people in the head for sass?
Robert Faulcon is the exception not the rule.
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wrote:
> Sure there would be some officer friendly that end up bit, but bite deaths
> are far from instantaneous.
Really? Open an artery in the neck an people bleed out real quick.
> are far from instantaneous.
> Meanwhile other cops would be the ones to shoot and / or taze the "drunk"
> people going around trying to bite everyone.
> There are plenty enough cases
> where cops have gone overboard with regular people,
> there'd be some who
> won't take any sass
Robert Faulcon is the exception not the rule.
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Mason Barge
Dec 10, 2011, 3:18:33 PM12/10/11
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On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 08:45:55 -0800 (PST), jack <jr...@columbia.edu> wrote:
>On Dec 7, 8:19 pm, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>> "Mason Barge" <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
[...]
>On Dec 7, 8:19 pm, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>> "Mason Barge" <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>The Zombie Digestive system: Wondering about how to know a zombie is
>coming your way. We know that zombies do more than just chomp on you;
>they eat as much of you as they can. So what happens next? Do they
>have a metabolism that actively requires nutrition to survive? Can
>they starve to second-death? The food in their stomachs, say like a
>woodchuck, does it digest? If not does it just stay there, get
>reguritated? Do they excrete?
Well, in the Walking Dead version, they obviously need to eat.
>coming your way. We know that zombies do more than just chomp on you;
>they eat as much of you as they can. So what happens next? Do they
>have a metabolism that actively requires nutrition to survive? Can
>they starve to second-death? The food in their stomachs, say like a
>woodchuck, does it digest? If not does it just stay there, get
>reguritated? Do they excrete?
I'm thinking this will turn out like "Angel" treated vampires, i.e., they
won't die if they don't feed but will get sluggish, sick, and start using
too much hair gel.
Duggy
Dec 13, 2011, 3:30:02 AM12/13/11
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On Dec 11, 6:18 am, Mason Barge <masonba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, in the Walking Dead version, they obviously need to eat.
Are compelled to or *need* to?
> Well, in the Walking Dead version, they obviously need to eat.
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Captain Infinity
Dec 13, 2011, 5:26:28 AM12/13/11
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Once Upon A Time,
Hey, if the script says "EAT" then you don't ask questions, you eat!
**
Captain Infinity
**
Captain Infinity
Hunter
Dec 30, 2011, 10:11:28 PM12/30/11
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In article <94345274-251c-4cbc...@s26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
esta...@att.net says...
>
> > Ken from Chicago
> it's been a zombie, (or at least what the writers want to happen
> in a particular scene?) as we've seen slow, plodding dumb
> zombies as well as fairly fast and reasonably intelligent ones.
-----
I agree. They decay so obviously the more the decay progresses the slower and
less agile they become. As for intelligence, yes some seem to be able to put2
and 2 together with rock and glass and what happenes if you throw one against
the other. :-)
> zombie virus and if they die by any means, (even dying peacefully
> in their sleep) they become zombified.
----
That is possible.
>
> Thou we have seen that even a minor bite will quickly result in a
> serious infection that soon leads to death, (the Skinny Guy in S1)
> so apparently zombie bites are poisonous beyond the normal
> bacteria one would expect to find in a rotting corpse's mouth,
> something like a Komodo Dragon's bite?
----
Good anaolgy.
> Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
> death.
-----
He hit fast foward with the recording. The proof is what happened to Amy and
discription of what happened to his wife.
> accidentally ingesting poisonous zombie blood / fluids.
----
Maybe if the saliva and stomach acids don't get it.
> the Camper Zombie had enough remaining intelligence to search
> around and we saw zombies in S1 knowing how to use doorknobs
> and even using bricks to smash windows, in an attempt to get at the
> survivors.
----
Agreed.
> no way a zombiepocalypse could wipe out humanity, let alone in
> just one month.
---
I tend to agree-unless the virus can reanimate freshly dead corpses.
----
He totally admitted that he isn't interested in how it started:
Cause of the Zombie outbreak and government collapse
Kirkman explained that going back to explain how the government originality
collapsed, "...doesn't interest me, for the time being...I may change my mind
eventually."[3] As to the cause of the zombie outbreak, Kirkman wrote, "I have
ideas [about the cause of the zombie plague]...but it's nothing set in stone
because I never plan on writing it. So yes...I do know...kind of."[4]
In response to a question:
"I think you should elaborate more on how people can turn into zombies
without one biting you, or how this whole mess started in the first place. Was
it like a plague or a rapture kind of thing?"
Kirkman responded:
"...That starts to get into the origin of all this stuff, and I think
that's unimportant to the series itself, There will be smaller answers as
things progress ... but never will we see the whole picture."[5]
http://tinyurl.com/6wqhorc
>
> but there is still too much pedestrian, soap-opera, bullshit going on
> and it's still being dragged out in an attempt to pad-out the series.
----
Soap opera, another over used term. :-)
esta...@att.net says...
>
> > Ken from Chicago
> >
> > They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time
> > to accelerate up to a running pace.
>
> A zombie's physical abilities seem to be related to how long
> > They are normally very slowly moving need a very long time
> > to accelerate up to a running pace.
>
> it's been a zombie, (or at least what the writers want to happen
> in a particular scene?) as we've seen slow, plodding dumb
> zombies as well as fairly fast and reasonably intelligent ones.
-----
I agree. They decay so obviously the more the decay progresses the slower and
less agile they become. As for intelligence, yes some seem to be able to put2
and 2 together with rock and glass and what happenes if you throw one against
the other. :-)
>
> > They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
> > person's bloodstream.
>
> No, all living people in "TWD" are _already infected_ with the
> > They infect others by biting and getting their infect fluid into a
> > person's bloodstream.
>
> zombie virus and if they die by any means, (even dying peacefully
> in their sleep) they become zombified.
----
That is possible.
>
> Thou we have seen that even a minor bite will quickly result in a
> serious infection that soon leads to death, (the Skinny Guy in S1)
> so apparently zombie bites are poisonous beyond the normal
> bacteria one would expect to find in a rotting corpse's mouth,
> something like a Komodo Dragon's bite?
----
Good anaolgy.
>
> > An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
> No, it happens much faster then that. As we saw in the video of
> > An infected person is transformed in hours, certainly by overnight.
>
> Dr.CDC's wife, zombification happens within several seconds of
> death.
-----
He hit fast foward with the recording. The proof is what happened to Amy and
discription of what happened to his wife.
>
> > Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>
> Agreed, thou one could presumably still be poisoned (and die) from
> > Getting splattered by walker fluid doesn't seem to infect a person.
>
> accidentally ingesting poisonous zombie blood / fluids.
----
Maybe if the saliva and stomach acids don't get it.
>
> > They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> > survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
> This also seems to depend on how long it's been zombified, as
> > They have limit brain function, less than even an animal's sense of
> > survival, more like a disease's need to consume.
>
> the Camper Zombie had enough remaining intelligence to search
> around and we saw zombies in S1 knowing how to use doorknobs
> and even using bricks to smash windows, in an attempt to get at the
> survivors.
----
Agreed.
>
> > If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak
> > was a mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people.
>
> Agreed, with 45,000 living humans for every one zombie, there is
> > If that's the case, then that HAS to mean the initial zombie outbreak
> > was a mass event, DIFFERENT from merely biting people.
>
> no way a zombiepocalypse could wipe out humanity, let alone in
> just one month.
---
I tend to agree-unless the virus can reanimate freshly dead corpses.
>
> > Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or
> > planned on revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse
> > arose
>
> Standard operating procedure for a zombie flick.
> > Maybe Kirkman has something different or he never worked out or
> > planned on revealing the details about how the zombie apocalypse
> > arose
>
----
He totally admitted that he isn't interested in how it started:
Cause of the Zombie outbreak and government collapse
Kirkman explained that going back to explain how the government originality
collapsed, "...doesn't interest me, for the time being...I may change my mind
eventually."[3] As to the cause of the zombie outbreak, Kirkman wrote, "I have
ideas [about the cause of the zombie plague]...but it's nothing set in stone
because I never plan on writing it. So yes...I do know...kind of."[4]
In response to a question:
"I think you should elaborate more on how people can turn into zombies
without one biting you, or how this whole mess started in the first place. Was
it like a plague or a rapture kind of thing?"
Kirkman responded:
"...That starts to get into the origin of all this stuff, and I think
that's unimportant to the series itself, There will be smaller answers as
things progress ... but never will we see the whole picture."[5]
http://tinyurl.com/6wqhorc
>
> > The problem is that the series itself can be rather clumsy in presenting
> > that character study in interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways,
> > which is what a lot of viewers have been critical of the series for.
>
> The writing appears to be getting better (such as Andrea and Shane)
> > that character study in interesting, enlightening or entertaining ways,
> > which is what a lot of viewers have been critical of the series for.
>
> but there is still too much pedestrian, soap-opera, bullshit going on
> and it's still being dragged out in an attempt to pad-out the series.
----
Soap opera, another over used term. :-)
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