Girl, 5, suspended for playing with 'stick gun'

[Adam H. Kerman]

Girl, 5, suspended for playing with 'stick gun':
Caitlin Miller, 5, was suspended from kindergarten for playing with stick
By Morgan Norwood
Wednesday, March 29, 2017 08:43AM

http://abc11.com/1823430/

Hoke County, North Carolina, WTVD ABC 11 News

A child was suspended from school for one day for playing with two friends.
She was playing a game of King and Queen. She was playing the royal
guard, picked up the stick to imitate shooting an intruder into
the kingdom.

She was in violation of Policy 4331.

Just think about the implications of thousands and thousands of student
behavioral policies applicable to kindergartners.

There are too many people teaching our children these days who shouldn't
be allowed anywhere near children.

[BTR1701]

Oh, for crying out loud.

This is what happens when progs run unchecked.

[Adam H. Kerman]

It's North Carolina. I'm sure they all vote Republican.

[Rhino]

But it's "for the children!" (TM)

Any moment now, FPP or one of his fellow travellers will be along
telling us how the school did exactly the right thing because guns.

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[RichA]

Social engineering by progs to turn children into obedient progs. Support the guy or not, this is exactly why Anders Breivik shot all those people in Norway. The place he did it at was an indoctrination camp on an island designed to mold juvenile minds into the "right thinking" of the radical left. So, in the U.S. if right-wingers set up a colony, eventually the FBI and the ATF go in and shoots or burns them out, but Breivik did it to a left-wing colony.

[David Johnston]

On 3/29/2017 3:58 PM, RichA wrote:
> Social engineering by progs to turn children into obedient progs.
> Support the guy or not, this is exactly why Anders Breivik shot all
> those people in Norway.

And I'm sure he would thank your for support.

The place he did it at was an indoctrination
> camp on an island designed to mold juvenile minds into the "right
> thinking" of the radical left. So, in the U.S. if right-wingers set
> up a colony, eventually the FBI and the ATF go in and shoots or burns
> them out,

Actually there's a shitload of them in the states that the agencies do
nothing about.

[FPP]

Which progs were these? Any idea?
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[FPP]

I'm too busy worrying about kids with REAL guns, to give a shit about
this crap.

[BTR1701]

In article <obhl3r$le6$2...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2017-03-29 16:42:27 -0400, BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> said:
>
> > Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Girl, 5, suspended for playing with 'stick gun':
> >> Caitlin Miller, 5, was suspended from kindergarten for playing with stick
> >> By Morgan Norwood
> >> Wednesday, March 29, 2017 08:43AM
> >>
> >> http://abc11.com/1823430/
> >>
> >> Hoke County, North Carolina, WTVD ABC 11 News
> >>
> >> A child was suspended from school for one day for playing with two friends.
> >> She was playing a game of King and Queen. She was playing the royal
> >> guard, picked up the stick to imitate shooting an intruder into
> >> the kingdom.
> >>
> >> She was in violation of Policy 4331.
> >>
> >> Just think about the implications of thousands and thousands of student
> >> behavioral policies applicable to kindergartners.
> >>
> >> There are too many people teaching our children these days who shouldn't
> >> be allowed anywhere near children.
> >
> > Oh, for crying out loud.
> >
> > This is what happens when progs run unchecked.
>
> Which progs were these? Any idea?

The ones that suspended the girl for saying "pew-pew" with a stick in
her hand.

[FPP]

So another non-answer.
When you can't back up what you say, you resort to non-answers.

Wh not just say you have no fucking idea who instituted the rule, and
you're just blaming "the progs" because you're a partisan hack.

At least that'd be AN answer, instead of the beginning of 20 runs
around the fucking may-pole to dodge the question.
Par for the course...

[BTR1701]

In article <obhr6p$soe$1...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>

wrote:

> On 2017-03-29 21:05:22 -0400, BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> said:
>
> > In article <obhl3r$le6$2...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2017-03-29 16:42:27 -0400, BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> said:
> >>
> >>> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Girl, 5, suspended for playing with 'stick gun':
> >>>> Caitlin Miller, 5, was suspended from kindergarten for playing with
> >>>> stick
> >>>> By Morgan Norwood
> >>>> Wednesday, March 29, 2017 08:43AM
> >>>>
> >>>> http://abc11.com/1823430/
> >>>>
> >>>> Hoke County, North Carolina, WTVD ABC 11 News
> >>>>
> >>>> A child was suspended from school for one day for playing with two
> >>>> friends. She was playing a game of King and Queen. She was playing
> >>>> the royal guard, picked up the stick to imitate shooting an intruder
> >>>> into the kingdom.
> >>>>
> >>>> She was in violation of Policy 4331.

I'm surprised they didn't tack on an extra few days of suspension for
perpetuating forbidden gender roles and simulating a monarchy.

> >>>> Just think about the implications of thousands and thousands of
> >>>> student behavioral policies applicable to kindergartners.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are too many people teaching our children these days who
> >>>> shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, for crying out loud.
> >>>
> >>> This is what happens when progs run unchecked.
> >>
> >> Which progs were these? Any idea?
> >
> > The ones that suspended the girl for saying "pew-pew" with a stick in
> > her hand.
>
> So another non-answer.

It's what someone who asks such an obvious (and therefore stupid)
question deserves.

Obviously the progs we're talking about are the progs running that
school.

> Wh not just say you have no fucking idea who instituted the rule

I do know: the school administration.

[Michael Black]

To be fair, this isn't a new thing.

When I was in kindergarten, I guess 1965, we made guns out of sort of
TinkerToy type things, and the teacher said we had to stop doing that.
So you can pry the toy guns out of the hands of the kids, but that won't
stop them from pretending to have guns.

Michael

[Ed Stasiak]

> Adam H. Kerman

>
> She was in violation of Policy 4331.

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[FPP]

Yup... it's what a liar says when he can't back up what he says.
You do it all the time.

Now show me where that school administration are "progs". You have no
idea what they are, do you?
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Vladimir Putin - Stephen Colbert

[Ed Stasiak]

> FPP
> > BTR1701

> >
> > I do know: the school administration.
>

> Now show me where that school administration are "progs".
> You have no idea what they are, do you?

Yeah, it’s a mystery…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Education_Association

The NEA, originally on the conservative side of U.S. politics, by the 1970s emerged
as a factor in modern liberalism. While the NEA has a stated position of "non-partisan",
it typically supports the Democratic Party. Conservatives, libertarians, and parents'
rights groups have criticized the NEA's liberal positions.

State affiliates of the NEA regularly lobby state legislators for funding, seek to
influence education policy, and file legal actions. At the national level, the NEA
lobbies the United States Congress and federal agencies and is active in the nominating
process for Democratic candidates. From 1989 through the 2014 election cycle, the NEA
spent over $92 million on political campaign contributions, 97% of which went to Democrats.

In recent decades the NEA has increased its visibility in party politics, endorsing more
Democratic Party candidates and contributing funds and other assistance to political
campaigns. The NEA asserts itself as "non-partisan", but critics point out that the NEA
has endorsed and provided support for every Democratic presidential nominee from
Jimmy Carter to Barack Obama and has never endorsed any Republican or third party
candidate for the presidency.

Based on required filings with the federal government, it is estimated that between
1990 and 2002, eighty percent of the NEA's substantial political contributions went
to Democratic Party candidates and ninety five percent of contributions went to
Democrats in 2012.

the NEA maintains that it bases support for candidates primarily on the organization's
interpretation of candidates' support for public education and educators. Every presidential
candidate endorsed by the NEA must be recommended by the NEA's PAC Council (composed
of representatives from every state and caucus) and approved by the Board of Directors by
a 58 percent majority. In October 2015, the NEA endorsed Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential
bid. Clinton accepted the endorsement in person.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/17/by-numbers-teachers-union-political-contributions-in-2016.html
January 17, 2017

By the numbers: Teachers union political contributions in 2016

The following are details on political contributions from teachers unions in 2016,
based on federal campaign data: 

Political contributions hit a high in 2016, where donations hit $33.2 million.
Of the money that went to politicians directly, 93 percent went to Democrats.

The top three contributors (including money to candidates, parties and outside
groups) were:
The National Education Association ($23.7 million)
American Federation of Teachers ($8.8 million)
AFT Solidarity ($425,000)

The three top recipients of direct donations were:
Hillary Clinton ($147,801)
Former Montana State Superintendent of Public Instruction Denise Juneau ($36,790)
Rep. Mike Honda, D-Calif. ($35,000)
Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt. ($29,756)
Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. ($26,500)

Total contributions to Congress given by teachers unions:
$2,176,523 to House Democrats
$138,786 to Senate Democrats
$199,664 to House Republicans
$13,195 to Senate Republicans

[FPP]

On 3/30/17 3:06 AM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> FPP
>>> BTR1701
>>>
>>> I do know: the school administration.
>>
>> Now show me where that school administration are "progs".
>> You have no idea what they are, do you?
>
> Yeah, it’s a mystery…
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Education_Association
>
>

Can you read, Ed?

I said: "Now show me where that school administration are "progs"."

***THAT*** school administration.

Not the NEA... the administration of THAT school, who made the rule.
I seriously doubt the NEA made the rule...

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[BTR1701]

In article <obi6jl$lg4$2...@dont-email.me>, FPP <fred...@gmail.com>

Well, it sure ain't conservatives doing this stupid shit.

[Rhino]

But things have evolved - a *lot* - since 1965. Your teacher probably
didn't care that you were playing with "guns" (as opposed to other
toys), she probably just wanted you to stop playing altogether and come
in from recess or focus on whatever she was trying to teach.

I've read articles that show things have changed since those days. For
instance, I read about a young kid - age 5 or so - being punished for
having a "gun" which was a Pop Tart chewed into the shape of a gun.

I read about a high school senior who was punished - I *think* she was
expelled - for submitting a picture of herself standing in front of an
armoured personnel carrier for her yearbook photo. She was her class
valedictorian and had never been in any kind of trouble at school and
had decided to enlist in the Army once she finished high school. Her
school had a policy that students supplied their own photos for their
yearbook picture so she had herself photographed with the personnel
carrier at her local National Guard depot. The school saw this
*photograph* as a violation of their anti-gun policy.

I read about a teenager in the Ottawa area who lived on a farm. One day
at his high school, it turned out there was a pocketknife in his
backpack. I've forgotten how it was detected but he explained that he'd
been cutting some twine as part of his farm chores and forgot that he'd
tossed it in the knapsack and inadvertently brought it to school. He got
into trouble as well. I think he was facing criminal charges if memory
serves.

I read about a pre-kindergarten student (!!) in Kitchener, Ontario who
drew a picture in her class. The teacher asked her to explain the
picture and she said it was a picture of her daddy shooting monsters
with his gun. The teacher told the principal who freaked out and called
the police *and* child services. The mother and the other children in
the family were told by child services to come into their offices right
away and did. Child services apparently came within an inch of taking
the kids away due to the alleged gun in the house. The police went to
the family house and waited for the father to come home, at which point
he was held and cavity-searched (!!) while the house was searched for
guns. The *only* "gun" in the house was a toy that apparently fired
popcorn which the dad used in pretending to shoot at monsters. The
*only* apology the family received was when the police admitted that
*maybe* the cavity search was excessive; aside from that, the school,
child services and the police thought they had done everything by the
book. Apparently, the word of a 4 year old girl is enough to trigger a
panic in Kitchener.


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[Adam H. Kerman]

No no no no no

After several nationally reported incidents of imaginery stick-based
violence, school administrators and general do gooders were forced
to address the issue of high-capacity sticks, sticks with silencers,
and assault sticks.

Today, we are concerned with sticks being smuggled across state lines
from stick shows in neighboring states with laxer regulations and
registration and licensing laws on use of the imagination. It's
gotten to be a serious problem.

>I've read articles that show things have changed since those days. For
>instance, I read about a young kid - age 5 or so - being punished for
>having a "gun" which was a Pop Tart chewed into the shape of a gun.

It's true! It's true!

The 7 year old child was suspended for... acting like a child. The child
had a long record of childish behavior.

Here's what the administrative law judge said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/examiner-recommends-school-board-uphold-pop-tart-suspension/

The family took the case to trial court, and lost there as well:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/17/pop-tart-gun-suspension-upheld-by-maryland-judge/

>I read about a high school senior who was punished - I *think* she was
>expelled - for submitting a picture of herself standing in front of an
>armoured personnel carrier for her yearbook photo. She was her class
>valedictorian and had never been in any kind of trouble at school and
>had decided to enlist in the Army once she finished high school. Her
>school had a policy that students supplied their own photos for their
>yearbook picture so she had herself photographed with the personnel
>carrier at her local National Guard depot. The school saw this
>*photograph* as a violation of their anti-gun policy.

We discussed that one on Usenet.

>I read about a teenager in the Ottawa area who lived on a farm. One day
>at his high school, it turned out there was a pocketknife in his
>backpack. I've forgotten how it was detected but he explained that he'd
>been cutting some twine as part of his farm chores and forgot that he'd
>tossed it in the knapsack and inadvertently brought it to school. He got
>into trouble as well. I think he was facing criminal charges if memory
>serves.

Dear ghod

>I read about a pre-kindergarten student (!!) in Kitchener, Ontario who
>drew a picture in her class. The teacher asked her to explain the
>picture and she said it was a picture of her daddy shooting monsters
>with his gun. The teacher told the principal who freaked out and called
>the police *and* child services. The mother and the other children in
>the family were told by child services to come into their offices right
>away and did. Child services apparently came within an inch of taking
>the kids away due to the alleged gun in the house. The police went to
>the family house and waited for the father to come home, at which point
>he was held and cavity-searched (!!) while the house was searched for
>guns. The *only* "gun" in the house was a toy that apparently fired
>popcorn which the dad used in pretending to shoot at monsters. The
>*only* apology the family received was when the police admitted that
>*maybe* the cavity search was excessive; aside from that, the school,
>child services and the police thought they had done everything by the
>book. Apparently, the word of a 4 year old girl is enough to trigger a
>panic in Kitchener.

Oh, yeah. We discussed that one on Usenet as well.

[Ed Stasiak]

> Rhino

>
> But things have evolved - a *lot* - since 1965. Your teacher probably
> didn't care that you were playing with "guns" (as opposed to other
> toys), she probably just wanted you to stop playing altogether and
> come in from recess or focus on whatever she was trying to teach.

I remember in kindergarten (1973) that two of the prime toys in class
were these shoebox sized cardboard “bricks” you could use to build
neat-o forts and a wooden block kit, that were lengths of lacquered
2x4s, including handy 24” long pieces that were prefect as “guns”.

But anytime we tried to play army with them, Mrs Silverthorn would
bark at us to “stop playing guns!” but that’s as far as it went.

[Adam H. Kerman]

It's your special power, moviePig.

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In article <objf28$dtr$2...@dont-email.me>,

"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

I can remember a classmate being sent home on Halloween because his
cowboy costume had an embroidered holster on it. Not even a gun; an
empty holster. This was in the early 60s.

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[Ed Stasiak]

> Adam H. Kerman

>
> Today, we are concerned with sticks being smuggled across state lines
> from stick shows in neighboring states with laxer regulations and
> registration and licensing laws on use of the imagination. It's gotten
> to be a serious problem.

I was at the local stick show last week and there was this mint condition
sniper stick that I almost dropped the cash on. It really gave me a woody.

[BTR1701]

Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

The

> Rhino <no_offlin...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> I read about a high school senior who was punished - I *think* she was
>> expelled - for submitting a picture of herself standing in front of an
>> armoured personnel carrier for her yearbook photo. She was her class
>> valedictorian and had never been in any kind of trouble at school and
>> had decided to enlist in the Army once she finished high school. Her
>> school had a policy that students supplied their own photos for their
>> yearbook picture so she had herself photographed with the personnel
>> carrier at her local National Guard depot. The school saw this
>> *photograph* as a violation of their anti-gun policy.
>
> We discussed that one on Usenet.

Except it wasn't an APC, it was an Abrams tank.

[alvey]

On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 20:24:27 +0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:



Oi netcop Kermie!

What's this got to do with tv?



alvey

[alvey]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 17:25:28 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:

etymolgy of 'Kerman'; One who lowers the tone.



alvey

[Michael Black]

No, this was during playtime. We weren't interacting with the teacher at
that time.

> I've read articles that show things have changed since those days. For
> instance, I read about a young kid - age 5 or so - being punished for having
> a "gun" which was a Pop Tart chewed into the shape of a gun.
>

But I'm just pointing out that "making a gun" that way isn't anything new.

>
> I read about a teenager in the Ottawa area who lived on a farm. One day at
> his high school, it turned out there was a pocketknife in his backpack. I've
> forgotten how it was detected but he explained that he'd been cutting some
> twine as part of his farm chores and forgot that he'd tossed it in the
> knapsack and inadvertently brought it to school. He got into trouble as well.
> I think he was facing criminal charges if memory serves.
>

There were times in high school I had my Swiss army knife with me. And
since about 1977, I've never gone anywhere without a knife of some sort.
Though I don't wander around with my good Shrade folding knife.

If I recall, the issue at the kid's school was that they weren't supposed
to have knives. So he in effect broke an 'agreement". I thought
punishment was that he wasn't allowed to graduate or go to the graduation
ceremony, something like that. And I think he was class valedictorian.

Oddly enough, the times I've been illegally searched, nobody's fussed over
me having a small knife with me.

Michael

[Michael Black]

I didn't get in trouble for having the Man From UNCLE holster (I can't
remember if I had a gun in there) that time I dressed as a Mountie. But I
guess that wasn't school, because I'm picturing it at the skating rink.


Michael