Ariston music for TV Advert
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ditty) comes from, as I am sure it sounds like an old Comodore-64 game
tune ??
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|> Does anyone know what the source of the music (cheap sounding computer
|> ditty) comes from, as I am sure it sounds like an old Comodore-64 game
|> tune ??
I'm pretty sure it was from an old Commodore Amiga game called something like
"Great Giana Sisters"--a game that was banned because Nintendo though it too
much like Mario.
(BTW, you say "cheap sounding ditty"--I actually *like* this music!)
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Dominic A. Varley
>Does anyone know what the source of the music (cheap sounding computer
>ditty) comes from, as I am sure it sounds like an old Comodore-64 game
>tune ??
>
Wasn't it one of the first portable keyboards Casio produced in the `80's,
a Casio-Tone?? Which if I remember rightly a Dutch duo produced the same music
as used in the advert - and beleive it or not - had a hit. All I remember
was that some lowlife stole all our shopping out of out car in a multistory
car park, leaving my sister's `Casio-Tone' lying on the seat, says it all
really.
dom.
Terence Chua
Does anyone know what the source of the music (cheap sounding computer
ditty) comes from, as I am sure it sounds like an old Comodore-64 game
tune ??
Neale
All I know is that it's got my vote for the most irritating advert on the air
just a few points short of the Renault Clio ("Papa?" "Nicole!") ad. The
bloody thing just goes aristonandonandonandonandon...
Aaagh!
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All I know is that it's got my vote for the most irritating advert on the air
just a few points short of the Renault Clio ("Papa?" "Nicole!") ad. The
bloody thing just goes aristonandonandonandonandon...
Last August/September time, BBC 2 had a dance programme on the air
which showed a film by someone (name and director completely
forgotten) which was clearly where the Ariston idea came from.
It began with a boy thowing a ball through a window, then climbing in
to fetch the ball. Anyone else see this, or know what the film is
called?
James.
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the French experimental video artists who developed that 'loop' effect-and-
cause that obviously influenced the admakers?
L. (who designs domestic appliances for a living)
Malcolm Mladenovic
>Last August/September time, BBC 2 had a dance programme on the air
>which showed a film by someone (name and director completely
>forgotten) which was clearly where the Ariston idea came from.
>
>It began with a boy thowing a ball through a window, then climbing in
>to fetch the ball. Anyone else see this, or know what the film is
>called?
I remember seeing it - it was truly amazing. There was also a programme
describing how it was made. Unfortunately I can't remember what it was
called or who made it - I would like to see it again if it is available
on video.
>James.
-Malcolm
L.H....@lut.ac.uk
through window building up to an incredibly complex setup and down to nothing
again.
Anyone remember the name of the programme (BBC2), and the director of the piece?
L. (who designs washing machines for a living)
Fred Curtis
>In article <1993Jan8.1...@syma.sussex.ac.uk> nea...@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Neale Type) writes:
>
> Does anyone know what the source of the music (cheap sounding computer
> ditty) comes from, as I am sure it sounds like an old Comodore-64 game
> tune ??
>
> Neale
>
>All I know is that it's got my vote for the most irritating advert on the air
>just a few points short of the Renault Clio ("Papa?" "Nicole!") ad. The
>bloody thing just goes aristonandonandonandonandon...
>
>Aaagh!
The new Papa/Nicole advert (advertising is wasted on me - I don't have
a clue what they're trying to sell) is positively soothing. In detail,
my reaction is:
* (Boredom) Hmm. Boring boring boring.
* (Recognition) Eh?
* (Panic) Ohmigod its _another_ one of _those_ ads!
* (Intense relief) Oh, it's OK. They've disabled the
bowel-loosening bit on the muzak generator.
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They were German, and they were not a duo; their name, in fact, was Trio, and
the song was Da, Da, Da.
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>(Neale Type) writes:
>>Does anyone know what the source of the music (cheap sounding computer
>>ditty) comes from, as I am sure it sounds like an old Comodore-64 game
>>tune ??
>
> Wasn't it one of the first portable keyboards Casio produced in the `80's,
> a Casio-Tone?? Which if I remember rightly a Dutch duo produced the same music
> as used in the advert - and beleive it or not - had a hit.
I'm afraid you don't remember rightly.
The *original* Ariston advert used a cover version of "Da Da Da" by Trio.
Trio were a German New Wave band; "Da Da Da" was their only hit, although
this may be partly because their career was cut short when they died in a
plane crash. It did, indeed, feature a Casio keyboard. An original VL-Tone,
in fact. I still own one. The rhythm preset they used is called "Rock 2".
The current Ariston advert uses completely different music.
mathew
mathew
> The tune is from the GameBoy version of Robocop. My brother told me - and
> I've heard it, so I agree with him...
Really? Interesting. I could swear that I first heard the music as one of
the tracks on "The BIG Demo", a hackers' demo on the Atari ST. Since "The
BIG Demo" was basically a selection of Commodore 64 music tracks converted to
play on the ST sound chip, this would support someone else's assertion that
the music was from a Commodore 64 game.
Maybe we're all right, and it was the C64 version of "Robocop", and Nintendo
copied the music for the GameBoy version...
mathew
David J Stevenson
>In <1993Jan9.0...@lut.ac.uk> L.H....@lut.ac.uk writes:
>>Yes, I saw that dance programme, with the (French?) director's boy-throws-ball
>>through window building up to an incredibly complex setup and down to nothing
>>again.
>>Anyone remember the name of the programme (BBC2), and the director of the piece?
>From your description, it sounds like the work of the Frenchman that directed
>New Order's award-winning video for the True Faith single. I can't remember
>his name off-hand, I'll look it up when I get home this evening.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Phillippe Decoufle.
Ken Johnson
Radio Four's `Week Ending' parodied this advert. Their words were:
`on... and on... and on... and re-cess-ion... and on... and on...'
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>
>The new Papa/Nicole advert (advertising is wasted on me - I don't have
Skis, I think. The point of the advert seems to be that skis are faster
than a Renault 19, and if you crash you can get up again afterwards.
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>
> It began with a boy thowing a ball through a window, then climbing in
> to fetch the ball. Anyone else see this, or know what the film is
> called?
The film was called "Tango". It (as far as I remember) won an Oscar for
best animated film, some time in the eighties (maybe even earlier). The
original was created entirely using animation techniques, combining film
sequences by hand and then refilming them, as opposed to the video editing
methods used in the Ariston adverts, so was (IMHO) much more impressive.
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They did all right - I have the C64 version of Robocop, and the music is indeed
the same as on the ad... Made me sit up and listen when I first recognised it,
that's for sure... ;-)
I wondered why they nicked the music from a 4-year old computer game to
use in this advert? Anyone got any ideas?
And for you trivia buffs out there, the piece of music in question was
composed by Jonathan Dunn, who wrote soundtracks for many of Ocean's
C64 games...
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supposed to infer that they put all their ski gear in it, as there was nothing on the
roof. Perhaps the Renault Clio is the first full production TARDIS as there was no chance
of getting several sets of skis / equipment in one of those.
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me into New Order?
Thankyou. You've just reminded me *WHY* I was watching that dance programme
in the first place!
(to another posting) No the music ISN'T Da da da. definitely not.
Anyone know what it is? I'd like to buy the album.
L. (don't do domestic appliances. They screw you up)
Andrew D Milligan
>> In article <JRG.93Ja...@oak50.doc.ic.ac.uk> James Grinter writes:
>>
>> It began with a boy thowing a ball through a window, then climbing in
>> to fetch the ball. Anyone else see this, or know what the film is
>> called?
>
>The film was called "Tango". It (as far as I remember) won an Oscar for
>best animated film, some time in the eighties (maybe even earlier). The
>original was created entirely using animation techniques, combining film
>sequences by hand and then refilming them, as opposed to the video editing
>methods used in the Ariston adverts, so was (IMHO) much more impressive.
>
I first saw this file on Channel 4's experimental video/animation
programme called "Ghosts in the Machine". The other very impressive piece
from this series was that one with American tourists running all over
Eisenstein's steps. Know the one?
Phorward,
Andy D.M.
David J Stevenson
>All I know is that it's got my vote for the most irritating advert on the air
>just a few points short of the Renault Clio ("Papa?" "Nicole!") ad. The
>bloody thing just goes aristonandonandonandonandon...
You'd have enjoyed The Prisoner on C4 last night, then; during one break we got
the newer Ariston ad (the one with the cooker, not the one with the one with
the washing machine) directly followed by the Renault Clio ad! (Which, I must
say, I quite enjoy, but for reasons that I wouldn't like to mention here!).
[These ads were on London-area C4, I don't know whether the ads are regional
or networked].
David J Stevenson
>The director was the guy who directed True Faith, the video that pulled
>me into New Order?
>Thankyou. You've just reminded me *WHY* I was watching that dance programme
>in the first place!
I didn't actually say it *WAS* Phillippe Decoufle, I just said that it sounds
like work of his that I've seen. It may be him, but it may be someone else.
It's a shame that you got into New Order because of a video that was made by
someone else, not because of their music. True Faith should have got you
going as a great song, not as a great vid! (Incidentally, the B-side, to use
70s terminology, was also rather excellent, a track called 1963. Worth
checking out. (It's also on the CD version of the Substance compilation).
>(to another posting) No the music ISN'T Da da da. definitely not.
>Anyone know what it is? I'd like to buy the album.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that they did used to use a steal of Da Da Da.
They seem to have changed the music more recently.
Ridley McIntyre
>The tune is from the GameBoy version of Robocop. My brother told me - and I've heard it, so I agree with him...
It's from a three piece Belgian or German band called Trio, and the song
is called Da Da Da. I used to love it to bits when I was a kid and I knew
all the words, even if they don't make any sense. I even knew the German
words in it and they didn't make any sense, either. Ich lieb dich nich du
liebst mich nicht, if I remember correctly. The English bit that followed
it went "Don't love you, you don't love me", but I've no idea if that
translates right. No on could believe it was even released because it was
so tacky... I'd say that was back in 82... But I think it actually got
to number 2 here. Huh, just call me Mr Stupid Pop Trivia Man, or something.
Of course, now someone will tell me it was actually the Osmonds. Typical.
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guru sez:
hold on, hold on, I definitely remember hearing a song with the same
tune, and I could swear that it was out well before the Ariston ads
started up.
This one could run and run.....
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L.H....@lut.ac.uk
art dance programmes are usually the last thing I would watch.
And the first I'd heard of New Order was seeing the True Faith video. Very
impressive, both visually and musically. I now have most of their work, and
rate '1963' as pretty good. It's unbelievable what shops will charge for
Substance on CD, though.
Three pertinent questions to raise:
What's happening to Factory?
Where is that album New Order are supposed to be working on?
Where's the Other Two's album?
And another:
Why are Revenge so dismal?
L.
L.H....@lut.ac.uk
'Da da da', by Trio, a German band who died in an air crash when their career
was cut short (or vice versa) was the music used for the old Ariston
'dancing clothes' campaign.
The new 'repetitive actions' campaign does NOT use this music. The music does
NOT sound like Da da da. Not at all.
All future Da da da posters will be flamed mercilessly!
L.
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Anyway, the Ariston advert is NOT Da, Da, Da. It USED to be, but for this set of
adverts they have changed it !
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I thought that it was a Renault Clio?
N: Papa?
P: Nicole? Been bonking your way around Paris again?
N: Want me to tell Mama about your French Trollop of a
Mistress?
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>
>In article <1993Jan14.1...@jet.uk>, d...@jet.uk (David J
>Stevenson) writes:
>|> In <TCHUA.93J...@soda.qmw.ac.uk> tc...@soda.qmw.ac.uk (Terence
>|> Chua) writes:
>|> say, I quite enjoy, but for reasons that I wouldn't like to mention
>|> here!).
>|>
>
>At last! someone else who's madly in lust with Nicole!
Oh yes!! Yes!!! So sweet, so, so... Aaah...
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->At last! someone else who's madly in lust with Nicole!
Ditto.
I propose a new newsgroup: rec.arts.tv.uk.fan.nicole
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>than a Renault 19, and if you crash you can get up again afterwards.
guru sez:
ahem: I think you'll find it's the Renault Clio.....
Looks like the ad agency needs to duck back into the room with
the drawing board in.
Still, I'd say that Nicole has to be one of THE sex-symbols of
Uk advertising at the moment.
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Ridley McIntyre
>(to another posting) No the music ISN'T Da da da. definitely not.
Okay, so it might not be now, but it damned well WAS when they first started
that campaign. If it wasn't then it was a rip-off of a rip-off...
Dylan Smith
>You'd have enjoyed The Prisoner on C4 last night, then; during one break we got
>the newer Ariston ad (the one with the cooker, not the one with the one with
>the washing machine) directly followed by the Renault Clio ad! (Which, I must
>say, I quite enjoy, but for reasons that I wouldn't like to mention here!).
>
>[These ads were on London-area C4, I don't know whether the ads are regional
>or networked].
They were on in the HTV area in the same order, so I think they are
national.
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writes:
|> In article <1993Jan12....@cs.hw.ac.uk> adr...@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian
|> Hurt) writes:
|> >
|> >Skis, I think. The point of the advert seems to be that skis are faster
|> >than a Renault 19, and if you crash you can get up again afterwards.
|>
|> guru sez:
|> ahem: I think you'll find it's the Renault Clio.....
|>
|> Looks like the ad agency needs to duck back into the room with
|> the drawing board in.
That's nothing. Apparently when the first of these adverts appeared, my
mother asked my father 'What was that an advert for?'. Reply: 'A new Fiat'.
|>
|> Still, I'd say that Nicole has to be one of THE sex-symbols of
|> Uk advertising at the moment.
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Adrian Hurt
>In article <1993Jan12....@cs.hw.ac.uk> adr...@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) writes:
>>Skis, I think. The point of the advert seems to be that skis are faster
>>than a Renault 19, and if you crash you can get up again afterwards.
>
Shows how effective the advert was, doesn't it? :-)
> N: Papa?
> P: Nicole? Been bonking your way around Paris again?
> N: Want me to tell Mama about your French Trollop of a
> Mistress?
That, I believe, was the first in the series. The second one seemed to say
that a motor-bike is better than their car, because Papa was happy to lend
the latter to Nicole's boy-friend so that Papa could then use boy-friend's
motor-bike.
Dominic Dunlop
d_s...@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Dylan Smith) wrote:
[The Ariston ads]
> were on in the HTV area in the same order, so I think they are
> national.
>
> I don't think they [Channel 4 ads] are always national though.
Cursory research (south Central, north Meridian, noisy Carlton/LWT,
very noisy western Anglia region signals) suggests to me that, since
the new year and the introduction of the silly coloured lozenge
signal, all Channel 4 advertising has been national. Something to do
with them selling their own air-time, rather than having the channel 3
contractors do it for them, as was previously the case. I blame the
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}That, I believe, was the first in the series. The second one seemed to say
}that a motor-bike is better than their car, because Papa was happy to lend
}the latter to Nicole's boy-friend so that Papa could then use boy-friend's
}motor-bike.
The curious feature of that particular advert was that Nicole & boyfriend
drive off in the car, and shortly afterwards are passed by Papa, who had
started from the same place, on the motorbike going in the opposite direction.
Clearly one or other of the drivers (and possibly both) had chosen to
drive the long way. Why?
Buy a Clio and have your brain soften?
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James Fidell (x5320)
> The curious feature of that particular advert was that Nicole & boyfriend
> drive off in the car, and shortly afterwards are passed by Papa, who had
> started from the same place, on the motorbike going in the opposite direction.
>
> Clearly one or other of the drivers (and possibly both) had chosen to
> drive the long way. Why?
No. It's just that Papa plus chauffeur had already got to where they were
going, and were then on the way back ;-)
> Buy a Clio and have your brain soften?
>
Probably.
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Ian Collier
>Cursory research (south Central, north Meridian, noisy Carlton/LWT,
>very noisy western Anglia region signals) suggests to me that, since
>the new year and the introduction of the silly coloured lozenge
>signal, all Channel 4 advertising has been national.
OK, well...
1. How do you get signals from Carlton and Anglia regions? I can only find
Meridian (apart from Central, of course) (and that's only when I point
my aerial south). The two signals come from Oxford (obviously) and
Hannington (wherever that is).
2. At about 6.16pm yesterday the adverts happened to be on C4 and I
compared the signals from the two regions. At first they were
identical, however towards the end of the advert break the two stations
started showing different adverts. So Channel 4 advertising is not
national.
Also, in article <1jgv18...@oak41.doc.ic.ac.uk> i...@doc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>Most ITV regions (if not all) have a similar thing before adverts. It
>started about 5 years ago. However the C4 ones are nothing compaired
>to the Meridan one.
Central doesn't have one. Neither does Granada, that I've noticed (but
Granada has the habit of trailing programmes in the *middle* of others). I
might check up on the Meridian one if I get round to it...
Ian Collier
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>Also sprach adr...@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
>}That, I believe, was the first in the series. The second one seemed to say
>}that a motor-bike is better than their car, because Papa was happy to lend
>}the latter to Nicole's boy-friend so that Papa could then use boy-friend's
>}motor-bike.
>
>The curious feature of that particular advert was that Nicole & boyfriend
>drive off in the car, and shortly afterwards are passed by Papa, who had
>started from the same place, on the motorbike going in the opposite direction.
>
>Clearly one or other of the drivers (and possibly both) had chosen to
>drive the long way. Why?
the motorcyclist had chosen to drive the long way. because. and especially
because it was a bright red ducati.
if i have to explain, i cannot do so,
adh
Lisa Rowlands
|>
|> the motorcyclist had chosen to drive the long way. because. and especially
|> because it was a bright red ducati.
|>
|> if i have to explain, i cannot do so,
|> adh
Wasn't it a blue Ducati ? I know all Ducatis are presumed to be red,
but I don't think this one was.
Was it just me, or does anyone else think that the advert worked
better for the m/c than the Clio ??
Lisa
Andy J Taylor
>In article <1993Jan19.1...@onionsnatcorp.ox.ac.uk>, dom...@natcorp.ox.ac.uk (Dominic Dunlop) wrote:
>
>>Cursory research (south Central, north Meridian, noisy Carlton/LWT,
>>very noisy western Anglia region signals) suggests to me that, since
>>the new year and the introduction of the silly coloured lozenge
>>signal, all Channel 4 advertising has been national.
>
>OK, well...
>
> 1. How do you get signals from Carlton and Anglia regions? I can only find
> Meridian (apart from Central, of course) (and that's only when I point
> my aerial south). The two signals come from Oxford (obviously) and
> Hannington (wherever that is).
Hannington is at Kingsclere in Berkshire sort of south of a line drawn
between Reading and Newbury. I can see the mast from my house and
consequently have an excellent picture.
> 2. At about 6.16pm yesterday the adverts happened to be on C4 and I
> compared the signals from the two regions. At first they were
> identical, however towards the end of the advert break the two stations
> started showing different adverts. So Channel 4 advertising is not
> national.
>
I hate the diamonds, loath the Meridian logo and yearn for TVS's much
more tasteful one (not the colour one, but the silvery one).
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>Wasn't it a blue Ducati ? I know all Ducatis are presumed to be red,
>but I don't think this one was.
Exactly: all Ferraris are 'logical red', even if the colour of the paint
is different.
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Richard Taylor
>Wasn't it a blue Ducati ? I know all Ducatis are presumed to be red,
>but I don't think this one was.
Blue, grey, red, red-white-and-green.
And the blue ones are cheaper, #4999, ('cos they're not red!!).
>Was it just me, or does anyone else think that the advert worked
>better for the m/c than the Clio ??
*Any* bike in an advert is more interesting than the product.
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>
>I hate the diamonds, loath the Meridian logo and yearn for TVS's much
>more tasteful one (not the colour one, but the silvery one).
>
I agree totally. The worrying thing is that although the TVS logo
started off very naff, the potential was there (and taken) to produce
a better version without doing a B.T.
The worrying bit is that the Meridian logo is SO crap that no matter
how much you change the tacky colours, it will still look crap. And as
T.V. stations seem loathed to make major changes to their logos without
using the old one for at least 10 years then it looks like we're stuck
with that stupid thing for 10 years, possibly longer.....
Who ever designed the Meridian logo (if design came into it) should be
taken to the top of the Telecom tower (or the Natwest tower, or Canary
Warf, I'm not fussy) and asked to jump. Then perhaps they could take a
photo of the resultant pavement art, and use that as a new logo :-)
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[re. Renault advert]
> that a motor-bike is better than their car, because Papa was happy to lend
> the latter to Nicole's boy-friend so that Papa could then use boy-friend's
> motor-bike.
You could ofcourse be totally obtuse and choose to read the message backwards,
ie. that the car is as much fun to drive as a motorbike as well as a good deal
more practical; because the boyfriend was happy to give up his motor-bike to
Papa.
....but then I drive a Clio : )
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salim mehta
> The curious feature of that particular advert was that Nicole & boyfriend
> drive off in the car, and shortly afterwards are passed by Papa, who had
> started from the same place, on the motorbike going in the opposite direction.
>
> Clearly one or other of the drivers (and possibly both) had chosen to
> drive the long way. Why?
>
> Buy a Clio and have your brain soften?
No. No. The message is that it's so much fun driving a Clio that you *choose*
to take the longer route : )
Simon Oke
| Also sprach adr...@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
| }That, I believe, was the first in the series. The second one seemed to say
| }that a motor-bike is better than their car, because Papa was happy to lend
| }the latter to Nicole's boy-friend so that Papa could then use boy-friend's
| }motor-bike.
|
| The curious feature of that particular advert was that Nicole & boyfriend
| drive off in the car, and shortly afterwards are passed by Papa, who had
| started from the same place, on the motorbike going in the opposite direction.
|
| Clearly one or other of the drivers (and possibly both) had chosen to
| drive the long way. Why?
|
| Buy a Clio and have your brain soften?
I suspect it was Papa who had gone round the long way. That bike looked
like it could go a hell of a lot faster than any Clio. Persumably when
they met he was going slow because all that racing had used up all the
petrol.
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Jeremy Henderson
Maybe boyfriend pulled in to a layby to give Nicole a good dickin', Papa
whizzed by on the bike, turned round at the next town, and met the Clio
coming back?
guru
>>
>>[These ads were on London-area C4, I don't know whether the ads are regional
>>or networked].
>
>They were on in the HTV area in the same order, so I think they are
>national.
guru sez:
they will be, since C4 doesn't do any regional stuff except for S4C
(it seems the Welsh are too thick to watch normal C4 porgrammes, so
they get their very own), unlike BBC2, which does have regional opts
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Guy Barry
>In article <1993Jan17.1...@csd.uwe.ac.uk> d_s...@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Dylan Smith) writes:
>>>
>>>[These ads were on London-area C4, I don't know whether the ads are regional
>>>or networked].
>>
>>They were on in the HTV area in the same order, so I think they are
>>national.
>
>guru sez:
> they will be, since C4 doesn't do any regional stuff except for S4C
> (it seems the Welsh are too thick to watch normal C4 porgrammes, so
> they get their very own), unlike BBC2, which does have regional opts
> (Tuesdays at 7:30, if memory serves).
Well, guru should check his facts next time he sez anything:
Advertising on C4 was by region until the end of last year (each ITV
company sold airtime in its own region). The fact that there are no
regional *programmes* on C4 is irrelevant. However, C4 now sells its
own airtime, and the current argument is about whether it does so
nationally or regionally. (By the way, what about Classic FM?)
The primary purpose of S4C (which isn't part of C4) is to broadcast
programmes in the Welsh language, which take up most of peak viewing
time. A selection of C4 programmes are shown in the off-peak slots;
their scheduling is often different to C4 scheduling, but they're (a
subset of) the same programmes.
Oh, and the regional slot on BBC2 is 7.30 on Thursdays, not Tuesdays.
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>In article <C17GD...@brunel.ac.uk> Andy....@brunel.ac.uk (Andy J Taylor) writes:
>
>The worrying bit is that the Meridian logo is SO crap that no matter
>how much you change the tacky colours, it will still look crap. And as
>T.V. stations seem loathed to make major changes to their logos without
>using the old one for at least 10 years then it looks like we're stuck
>with that stupid thing for 10 years, possibly longer.....
>
year, if not more frequently. Several (5ish) years ago they changed from
stv (roughly)
to a thistle design which consisted of a blue (3D) snooker ball which flew in
from the side of the screen and developed leaves made up of squares (it's
rather hard to describe). Since then, the basic design has remained the same,
although the snooker ball was ditched in place of a tiddly-wink type thistle
head, then it changed to a more "artistic" thistle, and I think it's now
a transparent (a la TVS) flat thistle.
(Just to add to the debate, I write UK$ if I'm not using a keyboard with a
pound sign...)
David.
David J Stevenson
>...
>Maybe boyfriend pulled in to a layby to give Nicole a good dickin', Papa
Can't have been *that* good, it's only a 15 or 20 second ad :-)
But if you allow for the ad being non-RealTime: As someone who has owned two
French cars, I suspect that the real reason that the Clio is slower than
the bike is that it has broken down a few times en route.
Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205. What's
French for "rip-off" ?
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writes:
>Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205.
What's
>French for "rip-off" ?
Not French for rip-off, but a beautiful (IMHO) Aussie comparitive:
XXXX is a bigger rip-off than a wax-job on your knackers!
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Mark Neale
Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205. What's
French for "rip-off" ?
The answer to this is of course - Buy British. After all this is
UK.misc. It cost me about 45 pounds for a headlight for my Nova.
Having said this, the Nova is built in Spain and GM are an American
company .....
(PS. sorry, Dave, couldn't resist).
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Alan Charlton
Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205. What's
French for "rip-off" ?
I should co-co! They must have seen you coming, matey - I bought one
last year year and it only cost 45 quid (Dando's of Chipping Sodbury).
Ho-hum.....
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Well it has just cost me 90 pounds + vat for a new headlight for my Rover. The
headlight is made by Lucas.
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>Mark Neale (ma...@edscom.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205
>: ... about 45 pounds for a headlight for my Nova.
> ... it has just cost me 90 pounds + vat for a new headlight for my Rover.
>The headlight is made by Lucas.
Well buy a car that uses standard round or rectangular headlamps. I had to
get a new one for my Mini Marcos and it cost about GBP 24. The unit was
made by Valeo.
Richard
Leo Hendry
>: In article <1993Jan25....@jet.uk> d...@jet.uk (David J Stevenson) writes:
<Nova headlamp price accidently deleted>
>: Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205.
>Well it has just cost me 90 pounds + vat for a new headlight for my Rover.
Ever heard of a breakers yard aka scrap yard?
They buy whole cars that are not economical to repair for between ten and a
hundred pounds and then sell them off in bits to people who don't have more
money than sense (Which seems to be a minority in this country).
Obviously you can't get parts unless they have been used in cars for a
few years, but I'm sure you'll find Nova and 205 headlamps for around 10
pounds.
BTW, Volvo indicator light fittings are more expensive than either of these
- the are specially designed so you have to replace the whole unit rather than
just the see-through bit.
- Leo
James Petts
writes:
>Well buy a car that uses standard round or rectangular headlamps. I had
to
>get a new one for my Mini Marcos and it cost about GBP 24. The unit was
>made by Valeo.
Buy a car that user replaceable bulbs. A new bulb for my MX-5 cost UKL4.75
Richard Porter
<pet...@visigoth.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Buy a car that user replaceable bulbs. A new bulb for my MX-5 cost UKL4.75
Most do, but that's not much good if the glass has been cracked by a stone
or broken in an accident.
T.I.M...@lut.ac.uk
>In article <1k2vb...@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> Richard Porter, r...@bnr.co.uk
>writes:
>>Well buy a car that uses standard round or rectangular headlamps. I had
>to
>>get a new one for my Mini Marcos and it cost about GBP 24. The unit was
>>made by Valeo.
>
>Buy a car that user replaceable bulbs. A new bulb for my MX-5 cost UKL4.75
My Metro uses replaceable bulbs, but I still had to buy a new headlamp
when the glass at the front broke! :-)
Tim Morley (T.I.M...@lut.ac.uk)
Richard T Peat
It depends if you buy the official article, or a copy. Copys are generally much cheaper.
Richard Peat
ssur...@uk.ac.rdg
Darryl Davis (RA)
Well dummy if you had gone to a scrap cardealer,
you could have bought the entire front end for #90.
In fact the front headlamp would have been about 1/4 the cost.
From the Smug bastard who runs a wreck!
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Ian King
: In article <1k2vb...@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> Richard Porter, r...@bnr.co.uk
: writes:
: >Well buy a car that uses standard round or rectangular headlamps. I had
: to
: >get a new one for my Mini Marcos and it cost about GBP 24. The unit was
: >made by Valeo.
: Buy a car that user replaceable bulbs. A new bulb for my MX-5 cost UKL4.75
: ===> James Petts <===
Look... I think you are getting confused here. Most modern cars use halogen
bulbs inside the headlight. Sealed beam units are (I believe) difficult to
obtain now (the sort fitted to my Hillman IMP RIP).
My Rover headlight was cracked from top to bottom. It had been like that for
6-months. It would have *failed* the MOT without a new headlight. A new
bulb for my Honda Accord (old one blew on Monday) has just cost 6 quid. A
new headlight unit for same would cost about 120 quid.
Ian King
: Richard
Since I happen to know you I realise that this (directed at me) is tongue-in-
cheek! I dont think a Mini Marcos is really suitable for the sort of
journeys that I do .... do you :-)
There arent that many new cars about these days (apart from Land-Rover) that
still use standard sensible round headlights. When I resurrect my infamous
Hillman Imp from its grave I'm going to have problems with the headlights...
Regards....
...........Ian
Ian King
: In article <1k1b0l...@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> ian...@lon40.nt.com writes:
: >Mark Neale (ma...@edscom.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: >: In article <1993Jan25....@jet.uk> d...@jet.uk (David J Stevenson) writes:
: <Nova headlamp price accidently deleted>
: >: Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205.
: >Well it has just cost me 90 pounds + vat for a new headlight for my Rover.
: Ever heard of a breakers yard aka scrap yard?
Yes... I kept my Hillman Imp going for years that way (140,000 miles). But
scrap Rover 800s are a bit thin on the ground and I have no room to store
a complete scrap car (Universal Salvage will only sell complete cars now)
Regards..
Henry Bloomfield
>Leo Hendry (l...@dcs.warwick.ac.uk) wrote:
>: In article <1k1b0l...@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> ian...@lon40.nt.com writes:
>: >Mark Neale (ma...@edscom.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: >: In article <1993Jan25....@jet.uk> d...@jet.uk (David J Stevenson) writes:
>: >: Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug >: >Well it has just cost me 90 pounds + vat for a new headlight for my Rover.
>: Ever heard of a breakers yard aka scrap yard?
...and a new headlight unit for my Morris Traveller? - 6 quid!
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|> My Rover headlight was cracked from top to bottom. It had been like that for
|> 6-months. It would have *failed* the MOT without a new headlight. A new
No it wouldn't. A cracked headlight is not illegal as long as the light
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> Incidentally, it cost SEVENTY QUID for a new headlamp for my Pug 205. What
How about "pigeon" ?
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:
: Advertising on C4 was by region until the end of last year (each ITV
: company sold airtime in its own region). The fact that there are no
: regional *programmes* on C4 is irrelevant. However, C4 now sells its
: own airtime, and the current argument is about whether it does so
: nationally or regionally. (By the way, what about Classic FM?)
I would suspect that the adverts are sold according to region. The thing is, when new products are released (such as chocolate bars), they apparently try them out on TV region catchment areas.
Can anyone confirm/rubbish this?
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>In article <1ke2cm...@cardamom.compnews.co.uk>, ma...@compnews.co.uk (Mark Cooper) writes:
>it's a microcosm of the UK as a whole. It has all strata of society (all
>the ABC stuff that ad agencies love) in a neatly bounded area, with one
How are all these (A, B, C1, C2, etc) social groupings defined?
Anyone know?
Henry
Paul Cunnell
|> In article <1ke2cm...@cardamom.compnews.co.uk>, ma...@compnews.co.uk (Mark Cooper) writes:
|>
|> >
|> > thing is, when new products are released (such as chocolate bars),
|> > they apparently try them out on TV region catchment areas.
|> >
|> > Can anyone confirm/rubbish this?
|> >
|> it's a microcosm of the UK as a whole. It has all strata of society (all
|> the ABC stuff that ad agencies love) in a neatly bounded area, with one
|>
|> Steve
|>
Dunno exactly what the new franchises have done to this, but I know
for certain that a couple of years ago this was true, each ITV
company selling advertising time for its own region. This covered
both channel 3 (e.g. Thames, TVS, Central), and Channel 4. Certain
companies were even going to split their region into sections, and
play out different commercial breaks for each section.
C4 and 'networked' ITV programmes (e.g. the James Bond movie) are
particularly tricky to handle, as the regional station has to very
swiftly switch between transmitting from the network feed, and
playing out its own commercials. That little stripy cue box in the
top RH corner of the screen is to warn the Presentation team that a
commercial break is coming. C4 were doing something slightly
more sophisticated, transmitting a trigger message in some of the
extra lines, which was supposed to cue the adverts.
Makes life interesting if you're trying to write scheduling software
- getting each commercial break to be exactly the same length (give
or take a few ms). There are also some interesting rules governing
for example how many frames of black you have between each commercial,
and not screening a commercial containing the same person as the
'main feature' (e.g. the Chlorets ad in the middle of Hale and Pace).
The technology for actually doing all this stuff can be pretty
impressive: to hold the 'current' range of commercials, great big
robotic tape library machines are used (3-400 tapes per machine).
These have half a dozen tape transports at one end, and a robot arm
which goes shooting around fetching tapes and stuffing them into the
transports. The machines have an internal video switching matrix, and
are capable (flat out) of continuous playback of 15 second clips.
This tends to get the robot a bit hot and bothered though :-)
Disclaimer: based on fairly hazy memory of 4 years ago, so don't
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Simon Brock-Gunn
>In <1kp1u8...@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smck...@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>
>>In article <1ke2cm...@cardamom.compnews.co.uk>, ma...@compnews.co.uk (Mark Cooper) writes:
>
>>it's a microcosm of the UK as a whole. It has all strata of society (all
>>the ABC stuff that ad agencies love) in a neatly bounded area, with one
>
>How are all these (A, B, C1, C2, etc) social groupings defined?
>Anyone know?
Many years ago, as a poor student (so what's changed?) I did market
research interviews as a summer job. The way we used to have to classify
people was something like:
A - Professional (eg headteacher of large school, judge, university professor)
B - Semi-professional (eg university lecturer, bank manager, architect)
C1 - Skilled worker (eg computer programmer, train driver) or student
C2 - Semi-skilled worker (eg truck driver, telephone operator)
D - Unskilled worker (eg cleaner, checkout operator)
E - Unemployed
Please note, these are not *my* examples - I seem to remember that one of
the most difficult things about the job was trying to fit people into such
rigid categories.
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