BROOKSIDE: The Trial
JAMES CUNNINGTON
trial.
1. Why are they not charged with attempted murder? They are accused of
conspiring to murder Trevor, but they did actually try to do it, hence
attempted murder, surely?
2. Why did the Jordaches' solicitor (the gorgeous Louisa Rix) and barrister
(the wonderful Philip Madoc - great voice or what?) look so surprised when
Mandy said that she dug up Trevor to remove a cygnet ring? If the
prosecution knew this, so should the defence, but if she didn't tell
anybody, how did the prosecuting counsel know?
3. Why are they not charged with attempting to pervert the course of
justice? They kill a man, allegedly in self-defence, but instead of calling
the police, who would have records regarding his violent past, and reporting
it straightaway, they bury his body in the garden and do their best to cover
it up. Hiding the body, falsely burying (in the religious sense) somebody
else after mis-identifying a complete stranger, and going on the run when
they find they might be discovered, seems very much like attempting to
pervert the course of justice to me.
Just a few thoughts.
James
Simon Peach
>trial.
>
>
>2. Why did the Jordaches' solicitor (the gorgeous Louisa Rix) and
barrister
>(the wonderful Philip Madoc - great voice or what?) look so surprised
when
>Mandy said that she dug up Trevor to remove a cygnet ring? If the
>anybody, how did the prosecuting counsel know?
>
I think that the Jordaches will be found not-guilty once the jury
reflects on the fact that he had his finger shoved up a baby swan's arse
when he died. The British public have a fondess for small furry animals.
Perhaps in tonight's episode the defence will change tack in order to
reinforce the image of Trevor as an animal abuser. Beth could give
evidence that she saw her father with his finger shoved up Rachel's bald,
young beaver. Again the jury will be confused and may conclude that
Trevor was a real bastard.
SP
p.s. I thought the prosecution grilling of Mandy was unrealistic given
the sensitivity rightly felt these days towards abused women.
Fred Read
che...@news.salford.ac.uk "JAMES CUNNINGTON" writes:
> There are one or two things worrying me about Mandy and Beth Jordache's
> trial.
>
> 1. Why are they not charged with attempted murder? They are accused of
> conspiring to murder Trevor, but they did actually try to do it, hence
> attempted murder, surely?
They were charged with both the murder and conspiricy to murder Trevor.
> 2. Why did the Jordaches' solicitor (the gorgeous Louisa Rix) and barrister
> (the wonderful Philip Madoc - great voice or what?) look so surprised when
> Mandy said that she dug up Trevor to remove a cygnet ring? If the
> prosecution knew this, so should the defence, but if she didn't tell
> anybody, how did the prosecuting counsel know?
What has she (Louisa Rix) been in? It is driving us both mad!
> 3. Why are they not charged with attempting to pervert the course of
> justice? They kill a man, allegedly in self-defence, but instead of calling
> the police, who would have records regarding his violent past, and reporting
> it straightaway, they bury his body in the garden and do their best to cover
> it up. Hiding the body, falsely burying (in the religious sense) somebody
> else after mis-identifying a complete stranger, and going on the run when
> they find they might be discovered, seems very much like attempting to
> pervert the course of justice to me.
Probably because it is a more "iffy" charge than conspiricy and usually
reserved for cases when you can't get them on anything more substantial.
--
Fred Read
How many people do *you* know with a C function named after them ?
dss2
Fred Read <Fr...@foxhouse.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>They were charged with both the murder and conspiricy to murder Trevor.
>
>What has she (Louisa Rix) been in? It is driving us both mad!
>
Colin Sandwich with Mel Smith.
Darran
Mark Stevens
>> What has she (Louisa Rix) been in? It is driving us both mad!
It's driving me bonkers too! I'm sure I've seen her in a sit-com, but I'll be
buggered if I know which one! And what's Philip Madoc been in before? I know
I've seen/heard him in tonnes of things - none of which spring to mind at this
particular moment.
Still, the casting for this trial has been excellent. I love the prosecutor -
you really wanna deck him! The Judge looks a mean bastard too.
Julia: "Ooh, sorry love. I'm just filling in me lottery card!" ROTFL!
It's been 4 days of great telly - I'm looking forward to tomorrow's conclusion.
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Christopher Mills
>> 1. Why are they not charged with attempted murder? They are accused of
>> conspiring to murder Trevor, but they did actually try to do it, hence
>> attempted murder, surely?
>They were charged with both the murder and conspiricy to murder Trevor.
And why the hell has Sinbad not been charged with anything. The police
knew he was on the run with them, and knew about the body. Possible
charges are failing to report a death, perverting the course of
justice, accessory to murder after the fact??? There must be a host of
others.
A J Cunningham
>2. Why did the Jordaches' solicitor (the gorgeous Louisa Rix) and barrister
>(the wonderful Philip Madoc - great voice or what?) look so surprised when
>Mandy said that she dug up Trevor to remove a cygnet ring? If the
>prosecution knew this, so should the defence, but if she didn't tell
>anybody, how did the prosecuting counsel know?
I would guess that the evil Brenna (boo! Hiss!) told the prosecution
bloke (or the police) that Mandy had given her the ring. You wouldn't
exactly have to be Inspector Morse to work oure it had come from.
And yes, Louisa Rix is a pouting sex kitten.
T
--
Tony Cunningham, t...@ed.ac.uk
This explains a lot about me. I thought it was the heavy drinking, the
late hours, the barking mad women, the lying around in bed reading novels and
eating Nescafe out of a jar with the spoon. But it's because of the Mac.
Jeremy Henderson
: che...@news.salford.ac.uk (JAMES CUNNINGTON) writes:
: >2. Why did the Jordaches' solicitor (the gorgeous Louisa Rix) and barrister
: >(the wonderful Philip Madoc - great voice or what?) look so surprised when
: >Mandy said that she dug up Trevor to remove a cygnet ring? If the
: >prosecution knew this, so should the defence, but if she didn't tell
: >anybody, how did the prosecuting counsel know?
: I would guess that the evil Brenna (boo! Hiss!) told the prosecution
: bloke (or the police) that Mandy had given her the ring. You wouldn't
: exactly have to be Inspector Morse to work oure it had come from.
Besides, it's a mistake to expect too much realism - after all, the cops
didn't beat up Sinbad, or produce a notebook entry saying "I was proceding
along Brookside Close in a northerly direction when I saw Mandy stabbing
her old man without any provocation at all, ho yes, guv'nor", or any of
the other antics that our boys in blue seem to get up to on a regular basis.
: And yes, Louisa Rix is a pouting sex kitten.
Especially when she's looking serious, "what you need, m'learned friend",
thinks I, "is a damned good seeing to".
Yours in political correctness,
--
Jeremy.
JAMES CUNNINGTON
(A J Cunningham) writes:
>>che...@news.salford.ac.uk (JAMES CUNNINGTON) writes:
>>
>>2. Why did the Jordaches' solicitor (the gorgeous Louisa Rix) and barrister
>>(the wonderful Philip Madoc - great voice or what?) look so surprised when
>>Mandy said that she dug up Trevor to remove a cygnet ring? If the
>>prosecution knew this, so should the defence, but if she didn't tell
>>anybody, how did the prosecuting counsel know?
>
>I would guess that the evil Brenna (boo! Hiss!) told the prosecution
>bloke (or the police) that Mandy had given her the ring. You wouldn't
>exactly have to be Inspector Morse to work oure it had come from.
Ah, yes, but under the law of disclosure (or whatever it's called) the
prosecution has to give every scrap of it's evidence to the defence, hence
they should have known.
James Cunnington
God
: >> What has she (Louisa Rix) been in? It is driving us both mad!
Wasn't she in Side by Side with Gareth someone who look slike Tom Jones?
michael jenkins
t...@castle.ed.ac.uk "A J Cunningham" writes:
> che...@news.salford.ac.uk (JAMES CUNNINGTON) writes:
>
>
> And yes, Louisa Rix is a pouting sex kitten.
>
I think Anna Friel (Beth) is quite attractive and nothing like her character
in real life!!
--
Michael
Bromley, Kent, England
email: mic...@escort.demon.co.uk
JAMES CUNNINGTON
<Fr...@foxhouse.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Has anyone else noticed that although Mandy is "in the dock"
>ie: she is a prisoner, she is apparently free to wander round
>the courtroom and use the public toilets in the court instead
>of the ones reserved for the prisoners.
She must still be on bail, technically, until a verdict is reached, i.e., if
a previous court (the one that set the bail - Magistrate's, probably) set no
restrictions on her movements, then she's free to go wherever she likes,
within reason, and may not be being held in the cells. If she's found not
guilty, she's free to go, no longer being under suspicion. If she's found
guilty, she goes down - literally - to the cells to go off to prison.
James.
Fred Read
ie: she is a prisoner, she is apparently free to wander round
the courtroom and use the public toilets in the court instead
of the ones reserved for the prisoners.
And who says that fact is stranger than fiction...
Fred Read
spe...@cix.compulink.co.uk "Simon Peach" writes:
> I think that the Jordaches will be found not-guilty once the jury
> reflects on the fact that he had his finger shoved up a baby swan's arse
> when he died. The British public have a fondess for small furry animals.
Sorry to be a pedant, but swans aren't furry, they're feathery!
Mark Whidby
writes:
> Fred Read <Fr...@foxhouse.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> What has she (Louisa Rix) been in? It is driving us both mad!
>
> buggered if I know which one! And what's Philip Madoc been in before? I know
> I've seen/heard him in tonnes of things - none of which spring to mind at
> this
> particular moment.
Apart from "Colin's Sandwich" which someone mentioned the other day, the
gorgeous, pouting, blue-eyed, red-haired Louisa was also in the last
Harry Enfield series as the mother of Harry's obnoxious teenager character.
Philip Madoc has been in load of things but the only one I can think
of at the moment was in "Dad's Army" when he played a German U-boat
captain.
> It's been 4 days of great telly - I'm looking forward to tomorrow's
> conclusion.
Conclusion???? No - the bastards are making us wait another four days.
I'm reckoning on a guilty verdict which will give a chance for Rachel
to show some remorse and admit that Trevor did rape her and then for
a successful appeal bid.
I've been a bit disappointed in the trial actually - there was nothing
new in it. The Guardian reviewer called it "a drama of reiteration"
and "a drama for the hard of understanding".
Oh - a minor claim to fame - I used to know the extra who was sitting next
to Bing in Monday's episode. He's appeared at least once before in Brookie
as a workman digging a hole - the hole that Harry Cross's Edna fell into
no less.
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JAMES CUNNINGTON
(R.L. Harker) writes:
>In article <che015...@news.salford.ac.uk> che...@news.salford.ac.uk
(JAMES CUNNINGTON) writes:
>>There are one or two things worrying me about Mandy and Beth Jordache's
>>trial.
>
>>1. Why are they not charged with attempted murder? They are accused of
>>conspiring to murder Trevor, but they did actually try to do it, hence
>>attempted murder, surely?
>
>RLH>It wasn't attempted murder because he actually died, it would have been
>attempted murder if they had tried to kill him and he survived.
But he only died after a subsequent attack. They did actually try to kill
him. Whether or not he died after a subsequent attack is not relevant.
James
R.L. Harker
>Subject: BROOKSIDE: The Trial
>Date: 10 May 1995 22:26:02 GMT
>There are one or two things worrying me about Mandy and Beth Jordache's
>trial.
>1. Why are they not charged with attempted murder? They are accused of
>conspiring to murder Trevor, but they did actually try to do it, hence
>attempted murder, surely?
RLH>It wasn't attempted murder because he actually died, it would have been
attempted murder if they had tried to kill him and he survived.
>2. Why did the Jordaches' solicitor (the gorgeous Louisa Rix) and barrister
>(the wonderful Philip Madoc - great voice or what?) look so surprised when
>Mandy said that she dug up Trevor to remove a cygnet ring? If the
>prosecution knew this, so should the defence, but if she didn't tell
>anybody, how did the prosecuting counsel know?
>3. Why are they not charged with attempting to pervert the course of
>justice? They kill a man, allegedly in self-defence, but instead of calling
>the police, who would have records regarding his violent past, and reporting
>it straightaway, they bury his body in the garden and do their best to cover
>it up. Hiding the body, falsely burying (in the religious sense) somebody
>else after mis-identifying a complete stranger, and going on the run when
>they find they might be discovered, seems very much like attempting to
>pervert the course of justice to me.
>Just a few thoughts.
>James
R.L. Harker
The Daily Mirror said that they had filmed two endings to the trial. One
where Mandy gets sent down for seven years and Beth for five, and the other
with Mandy getting sent down for two and Beth gets probation. I guess we will
just have to wait and see!!
Mr Brian Williams
up with a couple of hundred other muuf munchers.
Martin J. Holroyd
Either way, I've heard that Beth is leaving.
What gets me though, is this a bloody trail, or a Paris fashion
festival. Each day, Beth way wearing something different, and was
wearing her hair in several different styles. Mind you, she was
looking lovely though.
Martin
Jane Pook
>I think they will be both convicted of conspiracy to murder and Mandy will
>also be found guilty of manslaughter as this was mentioned as a compromise
>charge on Friday.
>
>Darran
This would be closer to the truth of what happened to the woman
(June Scotland) upon whom the story is based.
Martin J. Holroyd
Going back to the attempted murder thing, Mandy is charged with murder,
so I suppose attempted murder is meaningless. However, Beth should be
charged with attempted murder since, although she was not the one
who finally killed Trevor, she did put weed killer in his wiskey, and
admitted in court that she was crushing up pain killers to put in his
milk.
I'd also like to add that I took a piss once up against the very same
court building in Liverpool one night when I was bevvied.
Thank you
Martin
dss2
R.J.Chapman
> Philip Madoc has been in load of things but the only one I can think
> of at the moment was in "Dad's Army" when he played a German U-boat
> captain.
He's played villains in "Dr Who" on numerous occasions.
Robin Chapman
--
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Department of Mathematics - "Print is dead"
University of Exeter, EX4 4QE, UK + Dr Egon Spengler in "Ghostbusters"
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Paul Rhodes
>> Philip Madoc has been in load of things but the only one I can think
>> of at the moment was in "Dad's Army" when he played a German U-boat
>> captain.
>He's played villains in "Dr Who" on numerous occasions.
Also a regular in Target (the Guv character - can't remember his name)
Appeared as a South African in The Goodies.
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and I've lived here fifty years!"
Sam Nelson
> zls...@mcchpd.mcc.ac.uk writes:
> > Philip Madoc has been in load of things but the only one I can think
> > of at the moment was in "Dad's Army" when he played a German U-boat
> > captain.
>
> He's played villains in "Dr Who" on numerous occasions.
>
all those years ago...
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Mark Stevens
>> zls...@mcchpd.mcc.ac.uk writes:
>> > Philip Madoc has been in load of things but the only one I can think
>> > of at the moment was in "Dad's Army" when he played a German U-boat
>> > captain.
>> He's played villains in "Dr Who" on numerous occasions.
You don't know which ones, by any chance? I may have some lurking in my
collection...
The Watcher
Mark Stevens <ma...@sonance.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > Philip Madoc has been in load of things but the only one I can think
>>> > of at the moment was in "Dad's Army" when he played a German U-boat
>>> > captain.
>>> He's played villains in "Dr Who" on numerous occasions.
>You don't know which ones, by any chance? I may have some lurking in my
>collection...
Rusty list coming up. Mostly stories, characters if I can think of them!
The Krotons.
The War Games - The War Lord
The Brain of Morbius - Mehendri Solon
The Power of Kroll - One of the refinery chaps but apparently he wanted to
play/thought he was going to play Thawn, the guy in charge.
I think they're might be one or two others, as well.
BTW, is Philip Madoc related to Ruth Madoc?
Scott - Founder of the Philip Madoc Appreciation Society
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Paul Rhodes
>>> > Philip Madoc has been in load of things ...
>>> He's played villains in "Dr Who" on numerous occasions.
>You don't know which ones, by any chance? I may have some lurking in my
>collection...
The War Games, Brain of Morbius, Power of Kroll, um... any more?
I think he was in the second Cushing/Dalek film, too.
Paul Rhodes
>The Power of Kroll - One of the refinery chaps but apparently he wanted to
>play/thought he was going to play Thawn, the guy in charge.
I thought he was expecting to be the gun-runner, Rohm-Dutt (the only good part
in the whole story)
Sam Nelson
> BTW, is Philip Madoc related to Ruth Madoc?
>
Mark Stevens
>> >>> > Philip Madoc has been in load of things but the only one I can think
>> >>> > of at the moment was in "Dad's Army" when he played a German U-boat
>> >>> > captain.
>> >>> He's played villains in "Dr Who" on numerous occasions.
>> >You don't know which ones, by any chance? I may have some lurking in my
>> >collection...
>> The War Games - The War Lord
Ah, I've got that one. I'll have a look at it when I get the chance. All 10
parts of it! Wibble.
JAMES CUNNINGTON
Watcher) writes:
>
>BTW, is Philip Madoc related to Ruth Madoc?
They used to be married. But not any longer. They're bith Welsh, don't you
know? :-)
James
The Watcher
Earlier, Paul Rhodes <paul....@liffe.com> wrote:
>>The Power of Kroll - One of the refinery chaps but apparently he wanted to
>>play/thought he was going to play Thawn, the guy in charge.
>I thought he was expecting to be the gun-runner, Rohm-Dutt (the only good part
>in the whole story)
You could well be right (I'm going from vague recollections so I may be
waaaayyy out) but ISTR that he was mooted as one of the refinery crew to
start with and thought it was going to be Thawn until quite late in the
day. Has anyone got The Seventies to hand? I think it's in there.
Scott - Who's happy to be proved wrong
The Watcher
Paul Rhodes <paul....@liffe.com> wrote:
>I think he was in the second Cushing/Dalek film, too.
That rings a bell. Wasn't he Ashton, the black marketeer?
Scott - "What a magnificent head." - Solon
Chris Sully
|> There are one or two things worrying me about Mandy and Beth Jordache's
|> trial.
|>
|> 1. Why are they not charged with attempted murder? They are accused of
|> conspiring to murder Trevor, but they did actually try to do it, hence
|> attempted murder, surely?
|>
|> (the wonderful Philip Madoc - great voice or what?) look so surprised when
|> Mandy said that she dug up Trevor to remove a cygnet ring? If the
|> prosecution knew this, so should the defence, but if she didn't tell
|> anybody, how did the prosecuting counsel know?
From what I remember, he didn't know - it simple arose from the line of questioning he was following.
Chris.
Kevin Lee
>
> In article <3pfmor$2...@rowan.coventry.ac.uk>, smo...@coventry.ac.uk (The
> Watcher) writes:
> > BTW, is Philip Madoc related to Ruth Madoc?
> >
> I believe he's her father. Don't quote me...
I think they were husband and wife but got divorced.
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dss2
MARTIN BRISCOE <martin....@almac.co.uk> wrote:
>
>SN> > BTW, is Philip Madoc related to Ruth Madoc?
wasn't he also in Red Dwarf VI ?
Darran
MARTIN BRISCOE
SN> > BTW, is Philip Madoc related to Ruth Madoc?
SN> I believe he's her father. Don't quote me...
Be interesting if he was - he was born in 1934, she was born in 1943.
He was her first husband and she his first wife - they divorced.
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: In article <8A9E019.0521...@almac.co.uk>,
: MARTIN BRISCOE <martin....@almac.co.uk> wrote:
: >
: >SN> > BTW, is Philip Madoc related to Ruth Madoc?
From what I remember they were formerly married (to each other)
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