Jarvis Cocker Punches Child!
Chris Sampson
u920...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk "Nigel Harding" writes:
>
> This from the BBC's ceefax service:
>
> "Jarvis Cocker, the lead singer of the pop group Pulp, has been released
> on police bail after being arrested during last night's Brit Awards.
>
> He was held in a London police station until 3am after getting up on
> stage while Michael Jackson was performing.
>
> Police said one 11-year-old boy was punched, another received a cut to
> the ear and a 12-year-old was thrown to the ground during the incident."
>
> That's all the info there is at the moment, but what the fuck?!!
Well having just seen Wacko's _appaling_ performance, and Geldof's astonishing
brown nosing speech, I can only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
For those who haven't seen it, Jackson - all white socks and plaster of
paris make-up (basically the man's stage performance hasn't changed for
18 years) - mimed the nauseating Earth Song whilst minority people of all kinds
stood around crying. Wacko then gave a cringing speech about kids dying and
forests getting burnt, etc.
I don't believe the alleged punching incident - any self-respecting 11 year old
could lay Jarvis out cold - but really it was well worth a night in the slammer
to give Wacko the slating he so richly deserves. And if anyone deserved
arresting it was Jackson himself when he dropped his kecks in front of all
those kids. I mean, dodgy or what?!
--
Chris Sampson
Martin Nike
: brown nosing speech, I can only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
: paris make-up (basically the man's stage performance hasn't changed for
: 18 years) - mimed the nauseating Earth Song whilst minority people of all kinds
: stood around crying. Wacko then gave a cringing speech about kids dying and
: forests getting burnt, etc.
: I don't believe the alleged punching incident - any self-respecting 11 year old
: could lay Jarvis out cold - but really it was well worth a night in the slammer
: to give Wacko the slating he so richly deserves. And if anyone deserved
: arresting it was Jackson himself when he dropped his kecks in front of all
: those kids. I mean, dodgy or what?!
Yes, that was indeed sickening. As for Oasis, why is one of
them trying to be John Lennon? And why were only about 6 different
acts nominated for everything? At least it seemed that way.
A dire awards ceremony!
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A.J. Kelk
Chris Sampson <Ch...@cgs123.demon.co.uk> wrote:
}Well having just seen Wacko's _appaling_ performance, and Geldof's
astonishing
}brown nosing speech, I can only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
Exactly. It was pure exploitation on Wacko's part. It really was disgusting.
Well done Jarvis
Reports say that he might not have ounched a kid anyway, cos It was probably
some security guard who hit the kid when he was trying to get Jarve off the
stage.
Whatever happened, I'm glad someone's done something about this pathetic,
irritating "man".
Andy
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John J Smith
> u920...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk "Nigel Harding" writes:
>
>brown nosing speech, I can only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
>paris make-up (basically the man's stage performance hasn't changed for
>18 years) - mimed the nauseating Earth Song whilst minority people of all kinds
>stood around crying. Wacko then gave a cringing speech about kids dying and
>forests getting burnt, etc.
>
>I don't believe the alleged punching incident - any self-respecting 11 year old
>could lay Jarvis out cold - but really it was well worth a night in the slammer
>to give Wacko the slating he so richly deserves. And if anyone deserved
>arresting it was Jackson himself when he dropped his kecks in front of all
>those kids. I mean, dodgy or what?!
I thought Jarvis would make the ideal famine victim anyway, instead of all those
crap actors in the background of Diana Ross^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMichael Jackson's
bad impression of Jimmy Swaggart.
Smid
M P Reynolds
> Chris Sampson (Ch...@cgs123.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : brown nosing speech, I can only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
> : For those who haven't seen it, Jackson - all white socks and plaster of
> : paris make-up (basically the man's stage performance hasn't changed for
> : 18 years) - mimed the nauseating Earth Song whilst minority people of all kinds
> : stood around crying. Wacko then gave a cringing speech about kids dying and
> : forests getting burnt, etc.
>
> : I don't believe the alleged punching incident - any self-respecting 11 year old
> : could lay Jarvis out cold - but really it was well worth a night in the slammer
> : to give Wacko the slating he so richly deserves. And if anyone deserved
> : arresting it was Jackson himself when he dropped his kecks in front of all
> : those kids. I mean, dodgy or what?!
>
> Yes, that was indeed sickening. As for Oasis, why is one of
> them trying to be John Lennon? And why were only about 6 different
> acts nominated for everything? At least it seemed that way.
>
> A dire awards ceremony!
>
> --
> Martin Nike
after seeing the apalling jacko performance, i say well done jarv and if you
want to turn your attention to the arrogant gets who call themselves oasis, then
i'd cheer you on (even tho i love most of oasis' music)
cheers
mark
Ade Rixon
Simon Ritter (sim...@novell.co.uk) wrote:
> Donning my flame retardant suit...
Don't worry, this may singe slightly but nothing more.
> Basing my views squarely on what I've heard and seen on the news (I did not
> watch the Sh^H^HBrit Awards), I'd have to conclude that Jarvis Cocker is
> quite frankly an asshole.
A pleasant evening, a few drinks, high spirits - why not do something
crazy? Taking an opposing intellectual opinion, did anyone hear Eno's
comments on the news earlier? He wished he'd done it himself.
> Rushing the stage certainly seems a well thought out and
> erudite response.
There was never intended to be anything allegorical or well-argued about
throwing TVs out of hotel windows, snorting huge amounts of cocaine,
indulging in distinctly unsafe sex or rubbishing your rivals. It's only
rock 'n' roll. I'd glad some form of protest was made, rather than everyone
sitting back and soaking it up.
The Brits are so demeaning to all involved anyway that deliberate
obnoxiousness can only enhance your profile (cf. Oasis).
> Why didn't he take a cue from Oasis and swear at Michael
> Jackson when he collected his award (assuming he got one)?
...Well thought out and erudite? Who would have heard him?
> Did he honestly think that being a dickhead on stage would change Michael
> Jackson?
The point is not to change Michael Jackson but to highlight his offensive
propaganda and change the perceptions of those who view it.
Ade_
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Ade Rixon
Chris Sampson (Ch...@cgs123.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> Well having just seen Wacko's _appaling_ performance, and Geldof's astonishing
I thought Geldof delivered his speech with the utmost contempt
possible, given that he had obviously promised to go through with it
despite not knowing what Wacko's performance would entail. His opening
line (something about "Words are inadequate in the light of what we
have just seen and heard") was particularly sardonic.
This Jarvis stuff is bollocks. If he laid out three kids, surely the show
would have stopped there and then? Besides, the incident took place in
front of a huge audience of witnesses and a lot of TV cameras: isn't it
obvious what happened?
Kick this sick bastard out! He nancies in here, delivers the most
appallingly smug, egotistical performance ever and insults one of our
greatest living pop stars. Send Jacko back now!
Arise, Sir Jarvis.
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I got a real indication of a laugh coming on ...
A. Grant
>Basing my views squarely on what I've heard and seen on the news (I did not
>watch the Sh^H^HBrit Awards), I'd have to conclude that Jarvis Cocker is
>to be a demi-God?
Maybe he was protesting against the hyped-up highlight of the
"British" "music" awards being a very sad American brought in
at great expense to do a mime routine.
Still at least we now know how to get on the Brits if you're
actually a talented British musician - go out with Bjork.
Mr T A J Haxell
m...@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Martin Nike) writes:
>Chris Sampson (Ch...@cgs123.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: brown nosing speech, I can only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
>: For those who haven't seen it, Jackson - all white socks and plaster of
>: paris make-up (basically the man's stage performance hasn't changed for
>: 18 years) - mimed the nauseating Earth Song whilst minority people of all kinds
>: stood around crying. Wacko then gave a cringing speech about kids dying and
>: forests getting burnt, etc.
>
>: I don't believe the alleged punching incident - any self-respecting 11 year old
>: could lay Jarvis out cold - but really it was well worth a night in the slammer
>: to give Wacko the slating he so richly deserves. And if anyone deserved
>: arresting it was Jackson himself when he dropped his kecks in front of all
>: those kids. I mean, dodgy or what?!
>
>Yes, that was indeed sickening.
I've long believed that Jacko needed to be taken down a peg or two. I mean,
anyone who goes around putting up huge statues of himself, making out that
he saved the world from dictatorship is really just full of himself. Now he
believes he is a god!!!
By the way, how much of the profits from 'Earth Song' will be going to
charity? Will Jacko be buying a sizeable portion of the rain forests for
conservation?
>As for Oasis, why is one of them trying to be John Lennon?
Oh, Someone else noticed too. I was trying to work out which of the Beatles
he was trying to be.
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>I don't believe the alleged punching incident - any self-respecting 11 year old
>could lay Jarvis out cold - but really it was well worth a night in the slammer
>to give Wacko the slating he so richly deserves. And if anyone deserved
>arresting it was Jackson himself when he dropped his kecks in front of all
>those kids. I mean, dodgy or what?!
>--
>Chris Sampson
Agreed. The sight of Evans and Geldof slavering over that
child-molesting freak made me want to puke! The shame was that it was
7 stone stripling Cocker who went for him and not the Oasis boys at
least look like they could handle themselves.
And before any Jackson devotees start whingeing that he was never
charged etc let me state here that Michael Jackson has never been
found guilty of and child molesting charges and indeed has never been
charged. But, I don't have Jackson's millions but if 'anyone' accused
me of such a thing I would spend everything I had to prove myself
innocent. Nuff said.
The guy wants locking up, he now looks more like Diana Ross than DR
herself! And as for the presentaion of the 'Earth Song' dirge.....he
obviously thinks he is the second coming. And when he dropped his
trousers......give me the gun, give me the gun!!!
Mike Plowman
Bicester
UK
Kate R. Devaney
I found it very offensive;the emulation of the crucifixion and the whole
messianic flavour of the set was really off. Who does this man think he
is? I for one applaud Jarvis for doing what I am sure many people felt
like doing. And I am not even a practising religious person!! I am amazed
that some of the Mary Whitehouse type watchdogs have not commented on it,
has he bought them off as well?
Kate in a huff!!!
Simon Ritter
: This Jarvis stuff is bollocks. If he laid out three kids, surely the show
: would have stopped there and then? Besides, the incident took place in
: front of a huge audience of witnesses and a lot of TV cameras: isn't it
: obvious what happened?
: Kick this sick bastard out! He nancies in here, delivers the most
: appallingly smug, egotistical performance ever and insults one of our
: greatest living pop stars. Send Jacko back now!
Donning my flame retardant suit...
Basing my views squarely on what I've heard and seen on the news (I did not
watch the Sh^H^HBrit Awards), I'd have to conclude that Jarvis Cocker is
quite frankly an asshole. So he was protesting at Michael Jackson claiming
to be a demi-God? Rushing the stage certainly seems a well thought out and
erudite response. Why didn't he take a cue from Oasis and swear at Michael
Jackson when he collected his award (assuming he got one)? It seems that
all he's done is make a complete pratt of himself and nobody really cares
why he did it.
Did he honestly think that being a dickhead on stage would change Michael
Jackson?
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>>>>>> "A" == A Grant <ag...@ucs.cam.ac.uk> writes:
>A> Still at least we now know how to get on the Brits if you're
>A> actually a talented British musician - go out with Bjork.
>Who might that be then?
Goldie, apparently.
Rhys
agent orange
>Well having just seen Wacko's _appaling_ performance,
>and Geldof's astonishing brown nosing speech, I can
>only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
>For those who haven't seen it, Jackson - all white
>socks and plaster of paris make-up (basically the
>man's stage performance hasn't changed for 18 years)
>- mimed the nauseating Earth Song whilst minority
>people of all kinds stood around crying. Wacko then
>gave a cringing speech about kids dying and forests
>getting burnt, etc.
>I don't believe the alleged punching incident - any
>self-respecting 11 year old could lay Jarvis out cold
>- but really it was well worth a night in the slammer
>to give Wacko the slating he so richly deserves. And
>if anyone deserved arresting it was Jackson himself
>when he dropped his kecks in front of all those kids.
>I mean, dodgy or what?!
hello
watching last night's show i think i did see Jarvis
on stage, but only very briefly. i could be wrong.
i hope i'm not the only one who got the impression
that Jackson, Sony, and the organisers were so
annoyed with Jarvis that they were prepared to claim
that Jarvis had punched the children, and not that
they had been injured my the security chasing Jarvis.
i agree it was an awful speech from the Geldof.
way to go Jarvis !
bye
alexander
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Andrew Cooke
>Yes, that was indeed sickening. As for Oasis, why is one of
>them trying to be John Lennon?
Why not? I can think of worse people to try to be. Or better, how about George
Harrison?
andy
Gareth Evans
A> Still at least we now know how to get on the Brits if you're
A> actually a talented British musician - go out with Bjork.
Who might that be then?
G - who missed it.
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M P Reynolds
> In article <Dn4I8...@novell.co.uk> sim...@novell.co.uk (Simon Ritter) writes:
> >Basing my views squarely on what I've heard and seen on the news (I did not
> >watch the Sh^H^HBrit Awards), I'd have to conclude that Jarvis Cocker is
> >quite frankly an asshole. So he was protesting at Michael Jackson claiming
> >to be a demi-God?
>
> Maybe he was protesting against the hyped-up highlight of the
> "British" "music" awards being a very sad American brought in
> at great expense to do a mime routine.
>
> Still at least we now know how to get on the Brits if you're
> actually a talented British musician - go out with Bjork.
here's what the telegraph had to say about it...(http://www.telegraph.co.uk)
The Electronic Telegraph Wednesday 21 February l996 Home News
Singer faces music over award stunt
By Tom Leonard
A POP singer who allegedly struck three child performers when a stunt
misfired at the Brit Awards was threatened with legal action by parents
yesterday. Jarvis Cocker, lead singer with Pulp, was arrested after he climbe on stage to poke fun at Michael Jackson who was performing at the music awards
ceremony.
One 11-year-old boy was punched, another suffered a cut ear and a 12-year-old
was thrown to the ground, according to parents. The flamboyant singer was
questioned for three hours before being released on police bail until next
month. As police studied video footage of the incident, parents said that,
although none of the children was seriously hurt, they were considering suing
Cocker.
Jackson performed his hit single Earth Song, in a set that cost an estimated
£250,000 and came complete with dry ice, hydraulic lift, wind machine and a cast
of 20 children. The singer had reached the finale of the song and was airborne
in the crane when Cocker left his table with another member of his party. He
leapt up amid the children and started imitating Jackson, arms flailing wildly.
"He's very gawky and his arms were flailing around," said a guest at Monday's
ceremony at Earls Court, London. "He was wriggling around impersonating Jackson,
but he didn't look as if he was trying to hit anyone. "If people did get hurt it
must have been when one of Jackson's aides came on and tried to push him off
stage." Cocker said his actions "were a form of protest at the way Michael
Jackson sees himself as some Christ-like figure with the power of healing".
He described it as a spur of the moment decision brought on by boredom. "I just
ran on the stage and showed off. "I find it insulting to be accused of
assaulting children. All I was trying to do was to make a point and do something
lots of other people would have loved to have done if they'd dared." The band's
record company Island said that video evidence exonerated Cocker of any responsibility for the children being hurt.
In a statement Jackson said that while he respected Pulp as artists, he felt
"sickened, saddened, shocked, upset, cheated and angry" about the incident. The
youngsters, pupils of the Sylvia Young Theatre School in Marylebone, had spent
six weeks rehearsing for the song. Janet Moore said her 12-year-old daughter
Ashley was sent crashing to the ground and went home in tears. Jackson later
telephoned their home in Kentish Town, north-west London, to ask about her.
Mrs Moore, 30, accused Cocker of "shattering" her daughter's dream of dancing
with Jackson. "I thought some kind of maniac must have got into the theatre and
tried to get Michael Jackson. I don't know about Jarvis Cocker and after this I don't want to." Paul Burger, chairman of the Brit Awards, said security would be
stepped up at the event. "It was an attempt by a professional artist to steal
the show from Michael Jackson,' he said.
"It was a rather pathetic but makes us think that we need to take precautions in
future. Every performer is entitled to perform his art." Cocker, who formed the
band in 1980, spent yesterday in Brighton preparing for the first concert of a
tour. Just before the Brit Awards he had admitted that he liked awards
ceremonies: "You go to the party, get really drunk and show yourself up - which is always something I enjoy doing."
Clive Richardson
wrote:
>herself! And as for the presentaion of the 'Earth Song' dirge.....he
>obviously thinks he is the second coming. And when he dropped his
>trousers......give me the gun, give me the gun!!!
Yeah. He obviously thinks he is Jesus and has the power to heal. What
a sad man he is.
And who was it with Jarvis? It said that 'Jarvis and a member of his
party..." or summat.
Well done Jarvis, anyway. :)
"I don't believe in voices because I hear them all the time"
Clive Richardson
Haxell) wrote:
>>As for Oasis, why is one of them trying to be John Lennon?
>Oh, Someone else noticed too. I was trying to work out which of the Beatles
>he was trying to be.
I wish he'd fucking stop it. The only one in Oasis with any right to
be an arrogant bastard is Noel, as he does all the work.
Modern Day Warrior
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adrienne
Ch...@cgs123.demon.co.uk "Chris Sampson" writes:
> I don't believe the alleged punching incident - any self-respecting 11 year old
> could lay Jarvis out cold - but really it was well worth a night in the slammer
> to give Wacko the slating he so richly deserves.
apparently, Jarvis did it because he thought it was awful how Jacko can get
away with his sick fantasises just because he's a public figure...
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tim
Williams) wrote:
>gev...@mvagusta.uk.tele.nokia.fi (Gareth Evans) writes:
>
>>>>>>> "A" == A Grant <ag...@ucs.cam.ac.uk> writes:
>
>
>>A> Still at least we now know how to get on the Brits if you're
>>A> actually a talented British musician - go out with Bjork.
>
>>Who might that be then?
>
> Goldie, apparently.
>
That didn't prevent her taking a swipe at a reporter in
Thailand who just said welcome to Bangkok. Bjork just went
ballistic and laid into her for no obvious reason -
hilarious!!!
ttfn
tim
Simon Ritter
<earlier stuff deleted>
: hello
: on stage, but only very briefly. i could be wrong.
: i hope i'm not the only one who got the impression
: that Jackson, Sony, and the organisers were so
: annoyed with Jarvis that they were prepared to claim
: that Jarvis had punched the children, and not that
: they had been injured my the security chasing Jarvis.
This is a great way to spread mis-information. "I got the impression..."
You have absolutely no evidence to back up this statement, since I can
be pretty certain you weren't actually at the Brit awards.
I'm no great fan of Michael Jackson, but a lot of people are. Just because
Jarvis Cocker thinks Jacko's a plonka that gives him the right to disrupt
his performance? I think Pulp is crap so does that give me the right to
go along to one of their concerts and try and disrupt it? I think not.
Whatever happened to the idea of freedom of speech and artistic expression,
or does that only apply if you make 'real' music?
Martin Nike
: In article <4geska$7...@bignews.shef.ac.uk> m...@dcs.shef.ac.uk (Martin Nike) writes:
: >Yes, that was indeed sickening. As for Oasis, why is one of
: >them trying to be John Lennon?
: Why not? I can think of worse people to try to be. Or better, how about George
: Harrison?
Nah, he can't play the sitar.
Ade Rixon
Simon Ritter (sim...@novell.co.uk) wrote:
> This is a great way to spread mis-information. "I got the impression..."
What's misinformative about an opinion? It's up to the reader to attach
appropriate credibility to the statement you quote.
> I'm no great fan of Michael Jackson, but a lot of people are. Just because
> Jarvis Cocker thinks Jacko's a plonka that gives him the right to disrupt
> his performance? I think Pulp is crap so does that give me the right to
> go along to one of their concerts and try and disrupt it? I think not.
From today's Guardian:
"Jackson's performance was a tasteless exploitation of the kind of human
misery we see in news broadcasts from Bosnia and Somalia."
Surely *that* is objectionable, even if there are better ways to express
one's discomfort with it?
> Whatever happened to the idea of freedom of speech and artistic expression,
> or does that only apply if you make 'real' music?
"It's better to have something real than fancy poncy rubbish." - Jarvis
Cocker
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M P Reynolds
> In article <Dn6DL...@novell.co.uk>,
> Simon Ritter (sim...@novell.co.uk) wrote:
> > This is a great way to spread mis-information. "I got the impression..."
>
> What's misinformative about an opinion? It's up to the reader to attach
> appropriate credibility to the statement you quote.
>
> > I'm no great fan of Michael Jackson, but a lot of people are. Just because
> > Jarvis Cocker thinks Jacko's a plonka that gives him the right to disrupt
> > his performance? I think Pulp is crap so does that give me the right to
> > go along to one of their concerts and try and disrupt it? I think not.
>
> From today's Guardian:
> "Jackson's performance was a tasteless exploitation of the kind of human
> misery we see in news broadcasts from Bosnia and Somalia."
> Surely *that* is objectionable, even if there are better ways to express
> one's discomfort with it?
>
> > Whatever happened to the idea of freedom of speech and artistic expression,
> > or does that only apply if you make 'real' music?
>
> "It's better to have something real than fancy poncy rubbish." - Jarvis
> Cocker
>
> Ade_
also from today's guardian, eye witnesses state that wacko's security guards
rugby tackled jarv taking out 3 kids, the only damage jarvis may have caused is
treading on a kids toe! and bruising jackson's ego of course
the letters page is universal in its support for jarvis' actions and
condemnation of jacko's performance, its dubious taste and the accusations
bandied around by his camp. those writing in include everything but the girl
and bernard butler (ex suede) who was very eloquent in his slamming of the
organisers (sony (his record company)) for hijacking what should have been
a celebration of great british music and using it to relaunch the career of
jackson. the set cost 250,000 pounds, how many kids could he have saved from
hunger with that, how many football fields of rainforest could he have bought?
the man is sick in the head
i think we should all nominate jarvis for next years knighthood!
cheers
mark
Simon Ritter
: "It's better to have something real than fancy poncy rubbish." - Jarvis
: Cocker
Well, that just proves my point doesn't it? Jarvis Cocker obviously isn't
prepared to accept that musical taste is purely subjective, so there is
no such thing as 'real' music or 'fancy poncy rubbish'. It just depends
on where you're standing...
Andy Hancock
>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:32:40 GMT, ec...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman)
> wrote:
>
> >herself! And as for the presentaion of the 'Earth Song' dirge.....he
> >obviously thinks he is the second coming. And when he dropped his
> >trousers......give me the gun, give me the gun!!!
>
> Yeah. He obviously thinks he is Jesus and has the power to heal. What
> a sad man he is.
>
> And who was it with Jarvis? It said that 'Jarvis and a member of his
> party..." or summat.
>
> Well done Jarvis, anyway. :)
>
I'll agree with all of that!
He can't even mime properly either, and it gave it away a bit when he
had to be given a mike to do his speach!
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> I'm no great fan of Michael Jackson, but a lot of people are. Just because
> Jarvis Cocker thinks Jacko's a plonka that gives him the right to disrupt
> his performance? I think Pulp is crap so does that give me the right to
> go along to one of their concerts and try and disrupt it? I think not.
There's slightly more to it than that. Jacko's a paedophile & general sicko,
and he is also American. These were BRITISH awards. An American takes centre
stage. I'm not surprised that Jarvis (& as far as I know Tricky and a couple
of guys from Massive Attack were slightly pissed off). The performance was
so audacious, yet this, apparently, was one of the greatest years for
BRITISH music.
Jarvis has proved, yet again, he's an excellent spokesman for the downtrodden
masses.
--
Tony
Misfits rule. Free Jarvis.
Jyoti Mishra / Eleanor Bennett
>: Why not? I can think of worse people to try to be. Or better, how about George
>: Harrison?
>
>Nah, he can't play the sitar.
Neither can George.
Namasta,
Ravi Shankar
Ade Rixon
Simon Ritter (sim...@novell.co.uk) wrote:
> Well, that just proves my point doesn't it? Jarvis Cocker obviously isn't
> prepared to accept that musical taste is purely subjective, so there is
> no such thing as 'real' music or 'fancy poncy rubbish'. It just depends
> on where you're standing...
At the risk of continuing this thread beyond its natural life span, I would
suggest that Michael Jackson's performance had nothing to do with "musical
taste" (I like Earth Song myself) but was more a violation of "good taste".
His show was in no way defensible as "just another act". It was clearly
intended to be his rehabilitation ethically and publically.
Ade_
/
--
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"And he painted Grandad's bike and next door's cats and dogs,
He sprayed a couple on the corner of the street that were having a snog"
- Barron Knights
Saint Michael of the Pleased Wimmin
>The point is not to change Michael Jackson but to highlight his offensive propaganda and change the perceptions of those who view it.
>
>Ade_
Quite right. Jacko spends lorryloads of lolly in preparation for divine
ascension back to his former heavenly pedestal, like in the good old
pre-kiddy-fiddling days. And what better way to bring him back down to
earth than camp old Jarvis (surely a Jilted John for the 90s!) sending
the whole thing up. As has been said before, could you imagine Jarvis
actually knocking about a couple of kiddies? : more likely said
brats were ruffled by Jackos minders, wading obliviously through a sea of
stage school brats, focussed only on eliminating the danger to their
frightenly-boated guvner presented by the spindly 70's-obsessed singer.
The lessons to be learnt from this episode?
(i) Best laid plans of Mice and Mike are wont to go astray
(ii) Don't put ya kids on the stage Mrs Worthington
Saint Michael
J Speck
>
>
>At the risk of continuing this thread beyond its natural life span, I would
>suggest that Michael Jackson's performance had nothing to do with "musical
>taste" (I like Earth Song myself) but was more a violation of "good taste".
>His show was in no way defensible as "just another act". It was clearly
>intended to be his rehabilitation ethically and publically.
>
Perhaps his only chance of redemption now is to really prove how much he loves
the suffering masses and to donate ALL his millions to saving them.
Jane
Mike Plowman
-------excellently funny post snipped
>frightenly-boated guvner presented by the spindly 70's-obsessed singer.
>The lessons to be learnt from this episode?
>(i) Best laid plans of Mice and Mike are wont to go astray
>(ii) Don't put ya kids on the stage Mrs Worthington
>Saint Michael
Brilliant. ROTFLASTC!!!!!
Frighteningly boated - the funniest thinh I have ever read on the net!
Thank you a thousand times, I shall waste no time in using this down
the pub and claiming it as my own! :-)
Mike Plowman
Bicester
UK
PMalbin
in New York where there is no news about the Brit awards. Although, I must
say it must have been fun to see Jarvis rushing the stage. As for Michael
Jackson, all the criticism leveled at him is warranted. As for Pulp, their
CD Different Class is only released here next week. I heard it on Virgin
Atlantic, though, and loved it. Whether it will take off here like Oasis
has done in the last month should be interesting to see.
Cheers, Peter.
Andrew Bradley
Sony.
Andrew
Bob
> By the way, how much of the profits from 'Earth Song' will be going to
> charity? Will Jacko be buying a sizeable portion of the rain forests for
> conservation?
Don't know that one but in the video a tree certainly gets chopped down
even if they do run it backards to pretend its all better at the end.
Nauseating.
Bob
paul.kaczmarek
>Jarvis has proved, yet again, he's an excellent spokesman for the downtrodden
>masses.
Ah hah hah hah, hee hee hee.
Bwah hah hah
Har har har ....
Yet another one sucked into the great vortex of self-serving
advertisement in the wild and wacky world of pop.
Believe that and you've lost sight of reality, my lad.
Tony Howat
Really. So you wouldn't agree that "Common People" or "Misfits" were even
remotely anthemic in the eyes of the a large proportion of youth of today?
You don't believe that people actually relate to his material? Looks like
you've lost touch, you old fart.
--
Tony
Simon Harvey
Jarvis was making a protest at Jacko pretending he is some sort of
Jesus type figure. And in my opinion he was right. Maybe the money
that was spent on Jacko's performance could have been used to
help the unfortunate in Bosnia, help save the rainforests, etc;
instead of putting on a light show for a "TV Comeback".
And as we all know, Jarvis did not touch any child. It was a bouncer.
Simon
Packet: G6ACT @ GB7NRY.#19.GBR.EU
Internet: simon....@zen.co.uk
First And Last And Always
Clive Richardson <cl...@rodina.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:32:40 GMT, ec...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman)
>wrote:
>
>>herself! And as for the presentaion of the 'Earth Song' dirge.....he
>>obviously thinks he is the second coming. And when he dropped his
>>trousers......give me the gun, give me the gun!!!
>
>Yeah. He obviously thinks he is Jesus and has the power to heal.
Ah, so it was *religous* ecstacy he was driving those children to...
:-)
Mike
--
Mike Collins
Modern Day Warrior
interfere/spoil another artists work?
paul.kaczmarek
>Really. So you wouldn't agree that "Common People" or "Misfits" were even
>remotely anthemic in the eyes of the a large proportion of youth of today?
>You don't believe that people actually relate to his material? Looks like
>you've lost touch, you old fart.
Tut tut. Abuse ... and not reading carefully enough.
No denying the man is good at post-modern angst, polemic etc etc. but
spokesman for the downtrodden masses .... c'mon, give us a break!
Whereas Mr C can be anthemic to good effect, I'm afraid your post is
more pomp.
Of course people relate, just as they relate to Boyzone and EYC and
and and ...
and 'the masses' are so downtrodden, and realise that he's such a
spokesman that they pretty well ignored him for years, and will more
than likely be tearing down the statues in the squares in no time when
the next hero comes along.
Their loss.
Downtrodden masses ... fickle, instant gratification junkies driven by
the advertising they suck in without thought is more like it.
Cheers!
paul.kaczmarek
>Maybe the money
>that was spent on Jacko's performance could have been used to
>help the unfortunate in Bosnia, help save the rainforests, etc;
>instead of putting on a light show for a "TV Comeback".
Why not go further ....
they could have cancelled the whole show and given all the money for
fares appearances etc to charity.
And used the air time for advertising donated for the same reason.
Maybe we would all have got a bit of peace and quiet.
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In article: <4h3odo$1u...@unixfe.rl.ac.uk> "M.ike Warren" <m...@unixfe.rl.ac.uk> writes:
> er...how many times have you been to a concert and seen someone
> jump up on the stage?...LOTS of times...Michael is a big boy now
> and should cope with these affronts to his ego...Good on ya Jarvis mate!!
> Mike Warren.
>
It still doesn't make it right.
There are far better ways to critise an artists work. Perhaps the audience should've all booed MJ. Now that
would've been really effective, instead MJ was allowed to behave like a spoilt brat because he thought he was
justified.
B&C
>
> Chris Sampson wrote:
> >
> > In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.960220...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk>
> > u920...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk "Nigel Harding" writes:
> >
> > >
> > > This from the BBC's ceefax service:
> > >
> > > "Jarvis Cocker, the lead singer of the pop group Pulp, has been released
> > > on police bail after being arrested during last night's Brit Awards.
> > Well having just seen Wacko's _appaling_ performance, and Geldof's astonishing
> > brown nosing speech, I can only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
> TFI Friday had Jarvis on the show last week. Chris Evans revealed other goings-on
> at the Brit awards too:
Apologies for following up my own post, but I forgot to include the line about
Geldof's speech. According to Evans, Jacko refused to accept his award unless
Geldof referred to him in his speech as "The King Of Pop".
Andrew There's not much to see in my new home
--/___ http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~bandc/a.wiseman
B&C
>
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.960220...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk>
> u920...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk "Nigel Harding" writes:
>
> >
> > This from the BBC's ceefax service:
> >
> > "Jarvis Cocker, the lead singer of the pop group Pulp, has been released
> > on police bail after being arrested during last night's Brit Awards.
> >
> > stage while Michael Jackson was performing.
> >
> > Police said one 11-year-old boy was punched, another received a cut to
> > the ear and a 12-year-old was thrown to the ground during the incident."
> Well having just seen Wacko's _appaling_ performance, and Geldof's astonishing
> brown nosing speech, I can only say that Cocker has shown impeccable taste.
> For those who haven't seen it, Jackson - all white socks and plaster of
> paris make-up (basically the man's stage performance hasn't changed for
> 18 years) - mimed the nauseating Earth Song whilst minority people of all kinds
> stood around crying. Wacko then gave a cringing speech about kids dying and
> forests getting burnt, etc.
TFI Friday had Jarvis on the show last week. Chris Evans revealed other goings-on
at the Brit awards too:
His producer was threatened with the sack unless a joke about John Major was cut from
Evans' script. The joke begins "What's the difference between John Major and 13
nuns on a stag night?" Anyone know the punchline?
Oasis's acceptance speeches were cut from the broadcast. They were said to include an
alternative version of rival group Blur's Parklife, as well as some stuff about
Micheal Hutchence.
They also showed the video of Jarvis's demonstration. It was clearly all a bit of fun.
Outside Jarvis' dressing room, where the police questioned him for 2 hours, Martin
Clunes and Neil Morrissey (of Men Behaving Badly) were starting a Free Jarvis campaign.
Jacko's lawyers have until some date in March to think of something to charge Jarvis
with.
Tony Howat
> tho...@xargle.demon.co.uk (Tony Howat) wrote:
> >Really. So you wouldn't agree that "Common People" or "Misfits" were even
> >remotely anthemic in the eyes of the a large proportion of youth of today?
> >You don't believe that people actually relate to his material? Looks like
> >you've lost touch, you old fart.
>
> Tut tut. Abuse ... and not reading carefully enough.
>
> No denying the man is good at post-modern angst, polemic etc etc. but
> spokesman for the downtrodden masses .... c'mon, give us a break!
> Whereas Mr C can be anthemic to good effect, I'm afraid your post is
> more pomp.
>
> Of course people relate, just as they relate to Boyzone and EYC and
> and and ...
Boyzone and EYC hardly put forward their songs with as much emotion as
Jarvis and certainly aren't better (or comparable) lyricists.
> and 'the masses' are so downtrodden, and realise that he's such a
> spokesman that they pretty well ignored him for years, and will more
> than likely be tearing down the statues in the squares in no time when
> the next hero comes along.
Arse again. You can't be accused of ignoring something that isn't
available, or if you aren't aware of its presence. Pulp had fuck all
airtime in the early 90's, apart from occasional plays of "Babies" and "Do
You Remember The First Time", but got sufficient response to demand
attention from the general media. Winning the Mercury Music prize aided
this, and their reputation, together with the brilliance of "Common People"
threw them into the limelight properly. Replacing the Stone Roses at
Glasters increased the size of their following, and their media coverage.
I could go on, but in short there hasn't been any huge corporate media
machine behind Pulp's success, no evil Dr No programming the young into
liking their music, their current position is a result of their music
rather than media hype.
> Their loss.
>
> Downtrodden masses ... fickle, instant gratification junkies driven by
> the advertising they suck in without thought is more like it.
Arse again. Pulp got where they are on merit - since when have Island or
Fire really actively pushed bands into the mainstream?
This is the typical popularity backlash. I have liked pulp since I first
heard them, which was about three years ago. They weren't popular back
then, and when the trendies move on to the next big thing I'll still be
buying their records (unless they suddenly forget how to write damn fine
songs). Similarly with Supergrass, I bought the first single they
released, teenyboppers have now latched on. I don't care. It's good
music, and so if they want to go to the gigs good on them. I'm not going
to start pointing and shouting "hype!".
Get off your trendier-than-thou pedestal, you can accuse many bands of
being 90% hype, but it certainly doesn't fit with Pulp.
--
Tony
ROBIN HILDRIC EVANS
>heard them, which was about three years ago. They weren't popular back
>then, and when the trendies move on to the next big thing I'll still be
>buying their records (unless they suddenly forget how to write damn fine
>songs). Similarly with Supergrass, I bought the first single they
>released, teenyboppers have now latched on. I don't care. It's good
>music, and so if they want to go to the gigs good on them. I'm not going
>to start pointing and shouting "hype!".
>Get off your trendier-than-thou pedestal, you can accuse many bands of
>being 90% hype, but it certainly doesn't fit with Pulp.
>--
>Tony
Too true. Well, I suppose they have been 'pushed'
a lot more recently, and some new fans will be teenyboppers,
but thats great. Better teenyboppers listen to a quality
band like Pulp, for whatever reason,than a manufactured,
saccharine-smiles boyband like Upsidedown. A bit of hype
doesn't hurt anyone, as long as a band isn't just hype.
A lot of Pulp stuff is very 'anthemic', IMHO, as it relates a lot more
to real life than most bands. My favourite is 'Do You
Remember the First Time?', as it typifies the squalid mess
my love life seems to continually end up as. Point is I was
put onto it by a teenybopper.
Tony may have been insulting,(though 'old fart' and 'arse'
are hardly mortal insults) but better that than patronising
stuff like:-
> Tut tut. Abuse ... and not reading carefully enough.
Robin
Martin Nike
: I could go on, but in short there hasn't been any huge corporate media
: machine behind Pulp's success, no evil Dr No programming the young into
: liking their music, their current position is a result of their music
: rather than media hype.
And Pulp don't have to resort to stealing huge chunks
of other songs (Both lyrics and music). Not like a certain
Camel-shit hole we all hear all the time.
: > Their loss.
: >
: > Downtrodden masses ... fickle, instant gratification junkies driven by
: > the advertising they suck in without thought is more like it.
: Arse again. Pulp got where they are on merit - since when have Island or
: Fire really actively pushed bands into the mainstream?
: This is the typical popularity backlash. I have liked pulp since I first
: heard them, which was about three years ago. They weren't popular back
: then, and when the trendies move on to the next big thing I'll still be
: buying their records (unless they suddenly forget how to write damn fine
: songs). Similarly with Supergrass, I bought the first single they
: released, teenyboppers have now latched on. I don't care. It's good
: music, and so if they want to go to the gigs good on them. I'm not going
: to start pointing and shouting "hype!".
Pulp are pretty good, but Supergrass? Isn't their latest
song a rehash of Lady Madonna?
--
Martin Nike
Formal Methods Research Group
University Of Sheffield, England
"Someddddaaaaayyyy I'll wear pyjamas in the daytime."-Crash Test Dummies
Miss C.S. Cooper
: In article <4h0bjm$13...@morse.ukonline.co.uk>, paul.kaczmarek wrote:
: > tho...@xargle.demon.co.uk (Tony Howat) wrote:
: > >Really. So you wouldn't agree that "Common People" or "Misfits" were even
: > >remotely anthemic in the eyes of the a large proportion of youth of today?
: > >You don't believe that people actually relate to his material? Looks like
: > >you've lost touch, you old fart.
: >
: > Tut tut. Abuse ... and not reading carefully enough.
: >
: > No denying the man is good at post-modern angst, polemic etc etc. but
: > spokesman for the downtrodden masses .... c'mon, give us a break!
: > Whereas Mr C can be anthemic to good effect, I'm afraid your post is
: > more pomp.
: >
: > Of course people relate, just as they relate to Boyzone and EYC and
: > and and ...
: Boyzone and EYC hardly put forward their songs with as much emotion as
: Jarvis and certainly aren't better (or comparable) lyricists.
: > and 'the masses' are so downtrodden, and realise that he's such a
: > spokesman that they pretty well ignored him for years, and will more
: > than likely be tearing down the statues in the squares in no time when
: > the next hero comes along.
: Arse again. You can't be accused of ignoring something that isn't
: available, or if you aren't aware of its presence. Pulp had fuck all
: airtime in the early 90's, apart from occasional plays of "Babies" and "Do
: You Remember The First Time", but got sufficient response to demand
: attention from the general media. Winning the Mercury Music prize aided
Much as you have a very valid point Pulp didn't actually win the Mercury
Music prize when they were nominated, M people won, to the dismay of anyone
who likes good music
: this, and their reputation, together with the brilliance of "Common People"
: threw them into the limelight properly. Replacing the Stone Roses at
: Glasters increased the size of their following, and their media coverage.
: I could go on, but in short there hasn't been any huge corporate media
: machine behind Pulp's success, no evil Dr No programming the young into
: liking their music, their current position is a result of their music
: rather than media hype.
:
: > Their loss.
: >
: > Downtrodden masses ... fickle, instant gratification junkies driven by
: > the advertising they suck in without thought is more like it.
: Arse again. Pulp got where they are on merit - since when have Island or
: Fire really actively pushed bands into the mainstream?
: This is the typical popularity backlash. I have liked pulp since I first
: heard them, which was about three years ago. They weren't popular back
: then, and when the trendies move on to the next big thing I'll still be
: buying their records (unless they suddenly forget how to write damn fine
: songs). Similarly with Supergrass, I bought the first single they
: released, teenyboppers have now latched on. I don't care. It's good
: music, and so if they want to go to the gigs good on them. I'm not going
: to start pointing and shouting "hype!".
: Get off your trendier-than-thou pedestal, you can accuse many bands of
Ian Miller
>
> Much as you have a very valid point Pulp didn't actually win the Mercury
> Music prize when they were nominated, M people won, to the dismay of anyone
> who likes good music
>
But if Pulp had won it still would have been to the dismay of
anyone who likes good music.
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| university of greenwich. | time. In all things man must have a clear |
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Mike Warren.
>In article: <4hno10$r...@agate.berkeley.edu> m...@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Rigby) writes:
>
>> I remember in a Barbara Walters special a while ago (before the Lisa Marie
>> one) when Jackson was explaining his color and things, that he said the "King
>> of Pop" title was the media's concoction and he had nothing to do with it. It
>> just "follows" him.
>>
Hmmm.so..why at the Brit awards..did michael jackson INSIST on that
very same line being included in Bob Geldolfs introduction and that
he (Jackson) would NOT perform if the phrase 'King of pop' wasnt in
the intro..(source Chris Evans...TFI..fridays at 6.00 pm ch 4 england)
Mike Warren.
p.s. Jarvis cocker...respect;)
A. Grant
>In article K...@liverpool.ac.uk, sgm...@liverpool.ac.uk (Miss C.S. Cooper)
>It never ceases to amaze me that people keep coming out with comments
>like this. Just because *you* think Pulp is good music
If everyone had to say "in my opinion" when saying things that were
obviously subjective, that would waste as much bandwidth as your
pathetic complaint.
Ian Collier
>It is, though. M People are, in fact, crap. Their crapness increases
>record-by-record, culminating in providing the sad music for a sick
>Peugeot rep-box ad.
I *hate* that ad! And the music!
>PS Non-Sun keyboards have carriage return keys.
I have to tell you that Sun ones do as well. Perhaps Simon's isn't working.
Or maybe he's using the new 'type 13' keyboard that swaps the positions of
Return, Backspace and Delete around so that you can't find them at all.
Ian Collier - i...@comlab.ox.ac.uk - WWW Home Page:
http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/ian.collier/index.html
Simon Stuart
> It is, though. M People are, in fact, crap. Their crapness increases
> record-by-record, culminating in providing the sad music for a sick
> Peugeot rep-box ad. Hmmm, reps, M People, link?
Mike Pickering (the one with the moustache) is a fair candidate for the
anti-christ. Let's look at the evidence:
1) He was in Quando Quango. Have you ever heard Quando Quango? They've
got a song called 'Genius' which goes:
"Quando...quando quando quando...quando quando quando...sproink boink
b'dap b'dap diddly diddly" in the most tuneless manner imaginable.
2) He was an A&R man for Factory records. It's probably his fault they
went bust :)
3) M-People.
I read somewhere that he was in line for a brand new Puegeot cabriolet
after that advert. He's been kicking up a fuss 'cos he's getting a red
one and wanted black...
Wanker.
Simon
Michael Byrne
A tad harsh I feel
1)Mike Pickering was the main DJ at the Godlike Nude Night at the Hacienda from the mid 80s to 1990. This night was absolutely brilliant (even tho' I was a bit of a late-
comer to it all).
2) Genius was a great record IMHO, and so was Love Tempo. True the rest of their
stuff was a bit iffy.
3) He was a major part of T-Coy who gave us Carino an early but still essential
NBritish House record. They did a few other decent tunes as well.
But point taken M-People are pretty crap (again IHMO)
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Simon Ritter - Sun UK -ISV Application Engineer
<Much other stuff deleted>
>
> Much as you have a very valid point Pulp didn't actually win the Mercury
> who likes good music
>
It never ceases to amaze me that people keep coming out with comments like this.
Just because *you* think Pulp is good music and M People are bad *does not* mean that this is true. The judges of the Mercury Music prize thought M People were better than Pulp, as I'm sure do a lot of other people. Musical taste is purely subjective and therefore can have no definitive 'good' or 'bad'...
Simon Ritter
SunSoft UK
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David Stevenson
>mean that this is true.
record-by-record, culminating in providing the sad music for a sick
Peugeot rep-box ad. Hmmm, reps, M People, link?
PS Non-Sun keyboards have carriage return keys.
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Simon Stuart
> >1) He was in Quando Quango. Have you ever heard Quando Quango? They've
> >got a song called 'Genius' which goes:
> >
> >"Quando...quando quando quando...quando quando quando...sproink boink
> >b'dap b'dap diddly diddly" in the most tuneless manner imaginable.
>
> A tad harsh I feel
>
> 2) Genius was a great record IMHO, and so was Love Tempo. True the rest of their
> stuff was a bit iffy.
Bloody hell, you think so? Nurse! At last! I've found one! ;)
Boink b'dap,
Simon
David Stevenson
>Mike Pickering ...snip... 1) He was in Quando Quango. Have you ever heard
>Quando Quango?
Yes, I have one of their albums and it is bollocks of the first order.
A fair training ground for M People, it seems.
Martin Nike
: In article K...@liverpool.ac.uk, sgm...@liverpool.ac.uk (Miss C.S. Cooper) writes:
: <Much other stuff deleted>
: >
: > Much as you have a very valid point Pulp didn't actually win the Mercury
: > Music prize when they were nominated, M people won, to the dismay of anyone
: > who likes good music
: >
: It never ceases to amaze me that people keep coming out with comments like this.
: Just because *you* think Pulp is good music and M People are bad *does not* mean that this is true. The judges of the Mercury Music prize thought M People were better than Pulp, as I'm sure do a lot of other people. Musical taste is purely subjective and therefore can have no definitive 'good' or 'bad'...
Of course, when music clashes with "fashion" and "attitude" certain
people decided what is good music and what is bad. Then it all
comes round again...
--
Martin "No, not the one who makes trainers" Nike
Correct Systems Research Group,
Dept. Of Computer Science, University Of Sheffield, England
"Jesus was a black man. Jesus was Batman. That was Bruce Wayne" - Black Grape
Barry Young
: Simon Ritter - Sun UK -ISV Application Engineer (sim...@gemma.uk.sun.com) wrote:
: : In article K...@liverpool.ac.uk, sgm...@liverpool.ac.uk (Miss C.S. Cooper) writes:
: : <Much other stuff deleted>
: : >
: : > Much as you have a very valid point Pulp didn't actually win the Mercury
: : > Music prize when they were nominated, M people won, to the dismay of anyone
: : > who likes good music
: : >
: : It never ceases to amaze me that people keep coming out with comments like this.
: : Just because *you* think Pulp is good music and M People are bad *does not* mean that this is true. The judges of the Mercury Music prize thought M People were better than Pulp, as I'm sure do a lot of other people. Musical taste is purely subjective and therefore can have no definitive 'good' or 'bad'...
: Of course, when music clashes with "fashion" and "attitude" certain
: people decided what is good music and what is bad. Then it all
: comes round again...
Of course, there is a certain school of thought that says that M People only
won the award because the judges didn't want to feel that they were always
awarding the prize to "indie" bands after Primal Scream and Suede won in the
first two years. Hence giving the award was possibly a move to satisfy the
fans of dance music. Arguably M People wasn't the best choice.
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