Schtoopid
B.G. Kent
Is it a normal thing to pronounce Stupid ...Schtupid in England? or is it
just a Manchester thing?
Bren
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CP
> Is it a normal thing to pronounce Stupid ...Schtupid in England? or is it
> just a Manchester thing?
It's just laziness, Bren. Vocally, it's a teensy bit easier to say sh
before t than it is to say s before t, particularly when followed by
u, which is why many people tend to say 'shtupid'.
They're just stupid ;-)
MartinR
I would say there is a secret German influence affecting the north-
west, as Liverpudlians say "bach" for "back" and there are more Mercs
than a Düsseldorf taxi rank in some places.
MartinR
MartinR
Three consonant sounds in a row is difficult for some non-English and
lazy speakers.
The Japanese in particular have difficulties with English's multiple
consonants, a particularly nasty one is "strengths", which has 3
consonant sounds at the beginning and 4 at the end of the word. It's
also the only 9-letter word with only one vowel (unless anyone knows
otherwise).
MartinR
GordonD
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>
> Is it a normal thing to pronounce Stupid ...Schtupid in England? or is it
> just a Manchester thing?
A verrrrrrry interrrresting post, Bren!
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland
"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."
Jerry Kohl
> On 10 June, 16:49, CP <colinpaultur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 10, 4:27 pm, "B.G. Kent" <rav...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Is it a normal thing to pronounce Stupid ...Schtupid in England? or is it
> > > just a Manchester thing?
>
> > It's just laziness, Bren. Vocally, it's a teensy bit easier to say sh
> > before t than it is to say s before t, particularly when followed by
> > u, which is why many people tend to say 'shtupid'.
> > They're just stupid ;-)
>
> Three consonant sounds in a row is difficult for some non-English and
> lazy speakers.
Are you saying that "stupid" has three consonant sounds in a row? I
count only two in a row at the beginning, and one in a row in the
middle and at the end--at least, in any pronunciation I have ever
heard.
> The Japanese in particular have difficulties with English's multiple
> consonants, a particularly nasty one is "strengths", which has 3
> consonant sounds at the beginning and 4 at the end of the word.
The OED agrees about the beginning, but not the end, where it gives
only two consonant sounds: the "ng" and the "th" (I won't try writing
the IPA characters from the OED, since many browsers will not display
them correctly).
> It's
> also the only 9-letter word with only one vowel (unless anyone knows
> otherwise).
This could be true for English words, but orthographies do not always
correspond well with phonetics. Russian uses a letter, the "shcha",
which historically represented the combination of the letters
equivalent to "sh" and "t" (as at the beginning of the English word
"shtoopid" ;-), but also the combination of the *sounds* "sh" and
"ch". In modern Russian, the sound represented by this letter has
become simpler (while Bulgarian and Ukranian retain the earlier
cluster), but transliteration into the Latin alphabet is complicated
by orthography rules of the recipient language. German has probably
the worst problem, requiring seven letters to represent just this one
Cyrillic one: "schtsch". As a result, the word for sorrel, also used
as the name for an Eastern-European sorrel soup, also requires nine
letters in German, with a single vowel: Schtschav. The German spelling
of the Ukranian city spelt "Shchors" in English transliteration is
even worse: Schtschors, with ten letters for a single syllable.
--
Jerry Kohl
"Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal."
MartinS
> "B.G. Kent" <rav...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote...
>>
>> Is it a normal thing to pronounce Stupid ...Schtupid in England? or
>> is it just a Manchester thing?
>
> A verrrrrrry interrrresting post, Bren!
You are Arte Johnson AICMFP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arte_Johnson
Liam used to slur some of his consonants, and he was a Manc lad.
--
Martin S.
John Dean
> Is it a normal thing to pronounce Stupid ...Schtupid in England? or
> is it just a Manchester thing?
>
> Bren
It's not uncommon around the NW for many words beginning with a sibilant 's'
with a consonant like 't' or 'p' though I hear it dahn sahf as well
Watch out for Paul Calf talking about "shtudents"
--
John Dean
Oxford
Harry
<rav...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
>
>Is it a normal thing to pronounce Stupid ...Schtupid in England? or is it
>just a Manchester thing?
>
Poor education, familial mimickry, local dialect, downright lack of
any attempt in the education system to correct poor grammar. We've a
niece who began talking well, folk commented on her clear diction and
good vocabulary. As she headed towards her teens she began to change
to fitin with her peers, but still switched back at home. Now, aged
16, I, genuinely, need an interpreter for a lot of what she says.
Schtupid and not at all inneresting.
MartinR
> On Jun 10, 9:00 am, MartinR <martinr311...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 10 June, 16:49, CP <colinpaultur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 10, 4:27 pm, "B.G. Kent" <rav...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Are you saying that "stupid" has three consonant sounds in a row? I
> count only two in a row at the beginning, and one in a row in the
> middle and at the end--at least, in any pronunciation I have ever
> heard.
Are you American? I vocalise a "y" (consonant) after the "st" of
"stupid" as do many British people.
>
> > The Japanese in particular have difficulties with English's multiple
> > consonants, a particularly nasty one is "strengths", which has 3
> > consonant sounds at the beginning and 4 at the end of the word.
>
> The OED agrees about the beginning, but not the end, where it gives
> only two consonant sounds: the "ng" and the "th" (I won't try writing
> the IPA characters from the OED, since many browsers will not display
> them correctly).
When I pronounce "strengths" I definitely say four consonant sounds at
the end, despite what the OED might say. Perhaps it is my accent but
to me it sounds like n-k-th-s. I'm not sure why the OED would
consider "ths" as one consonant sound - my tongue definitely draws
back from behind my teeth to form two distinct sibilant sounds.
MartinR
mark
"MartinR" <martin...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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On 10 June, 19:45, Jerry Kohl <jeromek...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 9:00 am, MartinR <martinr311...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 10 June, 16:49, CP <colinpaultur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 10, 4:27 pm, "B.G. Kent" <rav...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Are you saying that "stupid" has three consonant sounds in a row? I
> count only two in a row at the beginning, and one in a row in the
>
When I pronounce "strengths" I definitely say four consonant sounds at
the end, despite what the OED might say. Perhaps it is my accent but
to me it sounds like n-k-th-s. I'm not sure why the OED would
consider "ths" as one consonant sound - my tongue definitely draws
back from behind my teeth to form two distinct sibilant sounds.
>
I've just had to look up sibilant sounds.
I think it's the noise made by the mechanic, as he looks at your car and
just before he says 'it's gonna costya'
mark
Roger Traviss
Are you American? I vocalise a "y" (consonant) after the "st" of
"stupid" as do many British people.
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1) "Stoo-pid"?
or
2) "Stew-pid"?
or
3) "Schtoo-pid"?
Let's hold a pole. :-)
I use Number 2.
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Roger Traviss
Errr, "poll"? DOH! :-(
CP
wrote:
> Let's hold a pole. :-)
>
> I use Number 2.
Must...resist......must....resist.....
B.G. Kent
B - for me, Westcoast Canadian it is stoopid and streng-ths.
I also say for coupon "Coo-pon" but some Canucks say "Q-pon".
B.G. Kent
>
> Are you American? I vocalise a "y" (consonant) after the "st" of
> "stupid" as do many British people.
>
> ----------------------------
>
> 1) "Stoo-pid"?
>
> or
>
> 2) "Stew-pid"?
>
> or
>
> 3) "Schtoo-pid"?
>
>
> Let's hold a pole. :-)
>
>
> I use Number 2.
>
B - I use number 1.
and lets keep your sex life out of it! LOL
Don't you mean poll?
Bren
MartinS
> MartinR wrote:
>> Jerry Kohl <jeromek...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > MartinR <martinr311...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > > CP <colinpaultur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > > > "B.G. Kent" <rav...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > Are you saying that "stupid" has three consonant sounds in a row? I
>> > count only two in a row at the beginning, and one in a row in the
>> > middle and at the end--at least, in any pronunciation I have ever
>> > heard.
>>
>> Are you American? I vocalise a "y" (consonant) after the "st" of
>> "stupid" as do many British people.
>> >
>> > > The Japanese in particular have difficulties with English's
>> > > multiple consonants, a particularly nasty one is "strengths",
>> > > which has 3 consonant sounds at the beginning and 4 at the end of
>> > > the word.
>> >
>> > The OED agrees about the beginning, but not the end, where it gives
>> > only two consonant sounds: the "ng" and the "th" (I won't try
>> > writing the IPA characters from the OED, since many browsers will
>> > not display them correctly).
>>
>> When I pronounce "strengths" I definitely say four consonant sounds
>> at the end, despite what the OED might say. Perhaps it is my accent
>> but to me it sounds like n-k-th-s. I'm not sure why the OED would
>> consider "ths" as one consonant sound - my tongue definitely draws
>> back from behind my teeth to form two distinct sibilant sounds.
>
>
> I also say for coupon "Coo-pon" but some Canucks say "Q-pon".
The Yanks say "nooz" for "news", but "Hewston" for "Houston".
Go figure.
--
Martin S.
Jerry Kohl
> On 10 June, 19:45, Jerry Kohl <jeromek...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 10, 9:00 am, MartinR <martinr311...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 10 June, 16:49, CP <colinpaultur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 10, 4:27 pm, "B.G. Kent" <rav...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
>
> > Are you saying that "stupid" has three consonant sounds in a row? I
> > count only two in a row at the beginning, and one in a row in the
> > middle and at the end--at least, in any pronunciation I have ever
> > heard.
>
> Are you American? I vocalise a "y" (consonant) after the "st" of
> "stupid" as do many British people.
I would have called that "y" a vowel rather than a consonant (the
first element of a falling diphthong), and it is part of the
pronunciation for many Americans, as well (I believe the American
dialects with "stoopid" are mainly in the Northeast, but I am no
expert on such matters). And, yes, I am an American.
> > > The Japanese in particular have difficulties with English's multiple
> > > consonants, a particularly nasty one is "strengths", which has 3
> > > consonant sounds at the beginning and 4 at the end of the word.
>
> > The OED agrees about the beginning, but not the end, where it gives
> > only two consonant sounds: the "ng" and the "th" (I won't try writing
> > the IPA characters from the OED, since many browsers will not display
> > them correctly).
>
> When I pronounce "strengths" I definitely say four consonant sounds at
> the end, despite what the OED might say. Perhaps it is my accent but
> to me it sounds like n-k-th-s.
I would have to hear you actually speak the word, but I have never
heard anyone else--British, Canadian, Australian, New Zealander,
Irish, American, or South African--separate the nasal sound from the K
in this word, as if it were the sound between the syllables in
"encase". The OED uses the IPA symbol that looks like a lowercase "n"
with a "j"-like descender, which represents the "ng" sound at the end
of "sing", followed by a Greek theta, representing the "th" in "pith".
I had overlooked the fact that you gave the plural, which indeed adds
a third consonant sound at the end.
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
Anne R
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>
> The Yanks say "nooz" for "news", but "Hewston" for "Houston".
How did Sam Houston pronounce his name? - hew or hou?
GordonD
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> "MartinS" <m...@my.place> wrote in message
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> snip
>>
>> The Yanks say "nooz" for "news", but "Hewston" for "Houston".
>
> How did Sam Houston pronounce his name? - hew or hou?
Somebody once asked the composer of the Ring Cycle how he pronounced his
name.
"Is it 'Wagner' or 'Vagner'?"
"It's pronounced 'Vagner'."
"Thank you very much."
"You're velcome!"
mark
"B.G. Kent" <rav...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
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>
> just a Manchester thing?
>
> Bren
>
I'm wondering how Sean Connery would pronounce it.
Anyone for tennish?
mark
B.G. Kent
B - hehehe...wait a minute while I fetch my ballsh.
LOL
Roger Traviss
> How did Sam Houston pronounce his name? - hew or hou?
"Sam".
MartinS
>> is it just a Manchester thing?
>
> Anyone for tennish?
... Mish Moneypenny?
--
Martin S.
MartinS
> "MartinS" <m...@my.place> wrote...
> snip
>>
>> The Yanks say "nooz" for "news", but "Hewston" for "Houston".
>
> How did Sam Houston pronounce his name? - hew or hou?
Since the town was named after him in 1837, when he was President of the
Republic of Texas, I'd assume Hewston.
Then there's the Hustons - Walter, John, Angelica - which should
theoretically be pronounced with a short "u" as in hustings, but it's also
pronouced Hewston.
--
Martin S.