Way Off Topic - Obama Visiting The UK

[David Amicus]

I was wondering what you Brits think of Obama telling the UK it should stay in the EU?

[GordonD]

On 22/04/2016 18:20, David Amicus wrote:
> I was wondering what you Brits think of Obama telling the UK it should stay in the EU?
>

Those who want to stay in will welcome it; those who want to leave are
saying he should butt out and mind his own business.

Boris Johnson played the racist card by claiming it was Obama's Kenyan
heritage that made him resent the British Empire.

A truly nightmare scenario would be Cameron stepping down as PM if the
vote is to leave, and Boris taking over, while meanwhile Trump is
elected POTUS.
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

[David Amicus]

<<Boris Johnson played the racist card by claiming it was Obama's Kenyan
heritage that made him resent the British Empire.>>

I don't understand why Obama admires his father so much. He deserted the family.

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Regarding the Republican Party race for President. One thing many don't know is that it takes more than just getting a certain number of delegates to get the nomination. A person must win 50% + 1 of the vote in an at least 8 states. That's one reason Kasich does not drop out. I think Trump only has one state (New York). Cruz has has several.

The Cleveland Convention should be interesting.

[Mudge]

Trump will become POTUS when Sean Connery becomes King of Ecosse !!

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[SLGreg]

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:02:40 -0600, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:

>Trump will become POTUS when Sean Connery becomes King of Ecosse !!

Roses are red,
violets are blue.
It's time to elect
the Socialist Jew.

--
- greg

[kat]

On 22/04/2016 18:20, David Amicus wrote:

> I was wondering what you Brits think of Obama telling the UK it should stay in the EU?
>

I think he is telling us what he thinks is best for America. Not that
he would expect Americans to sleep walk into a proper United States of
America and have laws passed in Bogota, but he thinks America would be
better off if we are told what to do by Germany.

And while Gordon says he thinks those who want to remain will welcome
his intervention, I think they are wrong to do so - I think it will get
up people's noses and strengthen the resolve of waivering Brexiteers.

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[kat]

I have also read ( this week ) that the party will not oppose him if he
gets close to the required number of delegates. So maybe he has more
than you think?

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[Ophelia]

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[David Amicus]

They can always change the rules. Maybe the PTB in the party don't want a fight if Trump is not given the nomination?

[GordonD]

On 22/04/2016 21:44, kat wrote:
> On 22/04/2016 18:20, David Amicus wrote:
>> I was wondering what you Brits think of Obama telling the UK it should
>> stay in the EU?
>>
>
> I think he is telling us what he thinks is best for America. Not that
> he would expect Americans to sleep walk into a proper United States of
> America and have laws passed in Bogota, but he thinks America would be
> better off if we are told what to do by Germany.

Ever since Thatchler the Tories have been bleating about the UK being
ruled from Brussels by a government we didn't vote for. Yet I don't
think Scotland has had a majority of Tory MPs in living memory (except
maybe RAlex).

[Ophelia]

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We had a referendum and the people said no. I wonder if the UK will be
allowed to say no!

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[GordonD]

Maybe Cameron will rig this one as well!

[Ophelia]

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[Ophelia]

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I wouldn't put anything past that pos!


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[kat]

If the Scot Nats had really wanted to win they should have let the
English vote. Or so I have seen suggested. :-)

Seriously, when the Labour party is in power in the UK, it is because of
the number of seats in Scotland held by them. So at times the English
feel they are ruled by the Scots. It's that Lothian Question. Scottish
MPs making the difference between winning or losing a vote on something
that doesn't affect Scots - such as Uni fees. There is a reasonable
chance that enough English people would have voted to remove them from
our parliament that independence would have been won.

Semi-seriously, I would have liked us ex pats to get a vote - and I
quite fancied having a Scottish passport...

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[GordonD]

Given that they currently have *one* seat in Scotland, it might take
them a long time to come back. The elections for the Scottish
Parliament are in less than two weeks. I know polls can't be trusted
but they are predicting a third term for the SNP. Labour and the Tories
seem to be arguing between themselves as to who will make a better
opposition!

[Ophelia]

"kat" <little...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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I agree!
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[kat]

Indeed they do. But the SNP say they support Labour so it is even worse
for the English - they even get ruled by a party they cannot vote for!



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[MartinS]

And Kevin O'Leary as Canadian PM?

It doen't bear even thinking of.

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[E. Barry Bruyea]

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:07:47 -0700, SLGreg <SLG...@madeitup.com>
wrote:

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[E. Barry Bruyea]

It doesn't matter if Trump gets the nod. There is no way in hell he
will ever be elected POTUS.
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[E. Barry Bruyea]

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:21:53 +0100, GordonD <g.d...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

You're starting to sound like Trump.
IMHO, Obama has gambled that his interference will not have a backlash
which it very well could. He should have kept his nose out of it.

[Mudge]

On 2016-04-24 17:57:46 +0000, MartinS said:

Hmmm - can't be any worserer than Justin Waterhole !

[Mudge]

On 2016-04-24 18:12:15 +0000, E. Barry Bruyea said:
> SLGreg wrote:

>> Mudge wrote:
>>
>>> Trump will become POTUS when Sean Connery becomes King of Ecosse !!
>>
>> Roses are red,
>> violets are blue.
>> It's time to elect
>> the Socialist Jew.
>
> What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I wondered about that also !

[GordonD]

In a world where Leicester City need five points from three games to
become English league champions, there is no such thing as "no way in
hell".

[MartinS]

Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
> On 2016-04-24 18:12:15 +0000, E. Barry Bruyea said:
>> SLGreg wrote:
>>> Mudge wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trump will become POTUS when Sean Connery becomes King of Ecosse !!
>>>
>>> Roses are red,
>>> violets are blue.
>>> It's time to elect the Socialist Jew.
>>
>> What the hell is that supposed to mean?
>
> I wondered about that also !

Bernie Sanders?

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Martin S

[Mudge]

On 2016-04-24 19:19:09 +0000, MartinS said:

Hmmm - is Sanders a Jewish lad as well as being a bloody communist ??

[David Amicus]

BS is of Jewish heritage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

[David Amicus]

Mr Trumps's mother is of Scottish heritage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

[SLGreg]

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:31:18 -0600, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:

>On 2016-04-24 19:19:09 +0000, MartinS said:
>> Mudge wrote:
>>> On 2016-04-24 18:12:15 +0000, E. Barry Bruyea said:
>>>> SLGreg wrote:
>>>>> Mudge wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump will become POTUS when Sean Connery becomes King of Ecosse !!
>>>>>
>>>>> Roses are red,
>>>>> violets are blue.
>>>>> It's time to elect the Socialist Jew.
>>>>
>>>> What the hell is that supposed to mean?
>>>
>>> I wondered about that also !
>>
>> Bernie Sanders?
>
>Hmmm - is Sanders a Jewish lad as well as being a bloody communist ??

Yes, a Jewish democratic socialist who's getting my vote come the
California primary.

Too bad rabid Christians will never elect a Jew, let alone a
socialist. Much too threatening and progressive. Better off with a
reality TV star whose own kids neglected to register to vote in the NY
primary!
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- greg

[David Amicus]

I'm registered GOP. In California the Dems have an open primary. I'm thinking of getting a Dem ballot and voting for Sanders as a protest against Hillary.

When Bernie wins I'm going back to college. Maybe study basket weaving. I want all those freebies he's going to give students!

[SLGreg]

Good for you! Sounds like a win/win!
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- greg

[David Amicus]

I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA. But he is changing our currency.

[MartinS]

David Amicus <ami...@webtv.net> wrote:

> Mr Trumps's mother is of Scottish heritage
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Trump's father is of German heritage, but he told his Jewish tenants in New
York that he was Swedish so they wouldn't gang up on him.

Cruz and Kasich are joining forces in a last ditch effort to prevent Trump
getting the GOP nomination, by not opposing each other in Indiana, Oregon
and New Mexico. See www.cnn.com

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Martin S

[kat]

On 25/04/2016 03:56, David Amicus wrote:

>
> I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA. But he is changing our currency.
>

In what way is he changing your currency?

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[E. Barry Bruyea]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:02:25 +0100, kat <little...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 25/04/2016 03:56, David Amicus wrote:
>
>>
>> I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA. But he is changing our currency.
>>
>
>
>In what way is he changing your currency?

Among other things, he is making it harder to get.

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...

>
>I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA.
>But he is changing our currency.

The US Treasury was privatized years ago, so no arm of the government,
not even POTUS, can "change" the currency.

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[MartinR]

On Friday, 22 April 2016 18:20:09 UTC+1, David Amicus wrote:
> I was wondering what you Brits think of Obama telling the UK it should stay in the EU?

Obama is very popular in the UK and the hope is that his words will be heeded, as I think they will.

This whole, unnecessary referendum was only called to satisfy a certain tendency within the Tory party and also to satisfy some working class concerns about immigration. There are certain people who like to think that we are still a major nation and can go it alone. Quite simply, we can't.

Immigration is the lifeblood of the country and almost certainly brings in more than it takes out. The EU has saved Europe from war for going on for 60 years. The collapse of communism could have brought dictators and chaos to the the former Russian satellites. Instead it brought liberal democracies.

The uncertainty caused by this unnecessary referendum is probably already hitting our pockets. It can only hit our pockets more if we choose to leave the EU.

It seems I may be a lone voice, but hey ho.

MartinR

[kat]

On 25/04/2016 13:45, MartinR wrote:
> On Friday, 22 April 2016 18:20:09 UTC+1, David Amicus wrote:
>> I was wondering what you Brits think of Obama telling the UK it should stay in the EU?
>
> Obama is very popular in the UK and the hope is that his words will be heeded, as I think they will.
>

But which words? the ones where he threatened us with being at the back
of the queue for a trade deal? or the the ones where he he "clarified"
that he really meant it wouldn't any quicker than with the EU? So what
difference? Other than as the EU one has stalled the next president
might think otherwise?

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kat
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[David Amicus]

New faces on the paper money

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/us/mlk-eleanor-roosevelt-susan-anthony.html

[MartinS]

Calvin Henry-Cotnam <cal...@remove.daxack.ca> wrote:
> David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...
>>
>>I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA.
>>But he is changing our currency.
>
> The US Treasury was privatized years ago, so no arm of the government,
> not even POTUS, can "change" the currency.

The US Treasury plans to change the design of its banknotes, as does
the Bank of England. The UK notes will be polymer, like Canada's, and
will be issued starting in September 2016.

I assume the US will continue to have a one cent coin, as well as a $1
bill. (Canada has withdrawn the one cent coin and replaced the $1 and $2
notes with coins. A $5 coin for general circulation is being considered.)

The US Mint has a stockpile of around 2 billion unused Presidential $1
Coins issued between 2007 and 2011, which nobody wants, despite the fact
that an Act of Congress passed into law in 2007 requires federal
government agencies (including the US Postal Service), businesses
operating on federal property, and federally funded transit systems to
accept and dispense dollar coins by January 2008.

The United States Government Accountability Office has stated that
discontinuing the dollar bill in favor of the dollar coin would save the
U.S. government about $5.5 billion over 30 years.

https://modernmoney.treasury.gov/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_England_note_issues (scroll down)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_$1_Coin_Program

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Martin S

[MartinS]

David Amicus <ami...@webtv.net> wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:02:36 AM UTC-7, kat wrote:
>> On 25/04/2016 03:56, David Amicus wrote:
>> >
>> > I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA
>> > COLA. But he is changing our currency.
>>
>> In what way is he changing your currency?
>

> New faces on the paper money
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/us/mlk-eleanor-roosevelt-susan-anthony.html

You can't view NY Times articles without a subscription, although you can
view the front page as a PDF, e.g.:

http://www.nytimes.com/images/2016/04/21/nytfrontpage/scannat.pdf

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Martin S

[David Amicus]

I hope this link works

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/20/news/10-bill-hamilton-20-tubman/

[Mudge]

Lincoln is being removed for one thing !

[kat]

Ah, they do that sort of thing here every so often - then you find an
old note after the cut off date.:-)

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[Ophelia]

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Well said!

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[David Amicus]

They would never remove Washington our Pater Patriae despite him having been a slave owner. There would be protests and boycotts!

There was talk of removing Hamilton from the $10 dollar bill but recently he has become popular because of a current Broadway musical. Some think that Hamilton was of partial African heritage. The actor playing him in the musical is black. Hamilton was a Federalist i.e. he supported centralized big government. Plus he was not a slave owner.

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

MartinS (m...@my.place.invalid) said...

>I assume the US will continue to have a one cent coin, as well as a $1
>bill. (Canada has withdrawn the one cent coin and replaced the $1 and $2
>notes with coins. A $5 coin for general circulation is being considered.)

In Canada, it is the Government of Canada, through the Royal Mint, who
issues coins, while paper notes are issued through the Bank of Canada,
an entity who reports to the government.

>The US Mint has a stockpile of around 2 billion unused Presidential $1
>Coins issued between 2007 and 2011, which nobody wants, despite the fact
>that an Act of Congress passed into law in 2007 requires federal
>government agencies (including the US Postal Service), businesses
>operating on federal property, and federally funded transit systems to
>accept and dispense dollar coins by January 2008.

Transit agencies in the USA love the coins, as they don't get stuck in
fareboxes. Any agency who uses fare payment machines will give all
change in coins.

I once purchased a $4 day pass from a DART machine in Dallas. All I had
on me was a $20 bill, so I got 12 dollar coins (a combination of SBAs
and Sacagaweas) and 16 quarters!

I love using the dollar coins in places where they aren't that common! ;-)

[David Amicus]

There will continue to be a one cent coin until stores stop pricing items at 99 cents and sales taxes change accordingly.


There is still a $2 bill but hard to come by even at the bank. Cash registers don't have a drawer for it.

People do not like the $1 coin. I've not seen a 50 cent coin in a very long time. The 25 cent coin (quarter) is common and popular. I could envision stop printing the $1 bill and just not replacing it with a coin. 8 quarters and the $2 bill would be easy to deal with.

[David Amicus]

Lincoln is on the 1 cent coin and Jefferson on the 5 cent coin. Over the last several years the reverse on both coins have changed. One with several different reverses.

Btw Jefferson is on the $2 bill.

[David Amicus]

Sorry to keep posting but isn't the Queen on all currency?

[kat]

On 25/04/2016 22:57, David Amicus wrote:
> Sorry to keep posting but isn't the Queen on all currency?
>

On one side, but the other side varies.

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[GordonD]

On 25/04/2016 23:10, kat wrote:
> On 25/04/2016 22:57, David Amicus wrote:
>> Sorry to keep posting but isn't the Queen on all currency?
>>
>
> On one side, but the other side varies.
>

Prior to decimalisation (February 1971) old coins with George V and
George VI were still in circulation. Sometimes you would get one even
older, with Edward VII or even Victoria, but they were rare.

Even after D-Day the old shilling and two-shilling piece remained in
circulation, as they were the same size and value as the 5 and 10p.
However these coins were reduced in size in 1992 and the old ones were
withdrawn.
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

[David Amicus]

Thanks!

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...

>
>There will continue to be a one cent coin until stores stop pricing items
>at 99 cents and sales taxes change accordingly.

Those are irrelevant. We got rid of the penny several years ago and
stores still price things at 99 cents and sales tax is added at the
register. Cash purchases are simply rounded to the nearest nickle
(down for .01 and .02, up for .03 and .04) after taxes have been added.

If one pays by debit or credit card, one pays the exact amount.

>There is still a $2 bill but hard to come by even at the bank. Cash
>registers don't have a drawer for it.

My son, who works for a bank here in Canada, has several US$2 bills, as
they can purchase notes at their face value. He has also been collecting
various Canadian notes that are no longer around - not just the $1 and $2,
but also older series of others. The other day, he came home with a
King George VI note (I can't recall if it was a $5, $10, or $20).

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...

>
>Sorry to keep posting but isn't the Queen on all currency?

Not in Canada. She's only on our $20. She is on all our coins, but
currency is technically only notes.

We have Kings, Queens, Macs, and Willies. ;-)

William Lyon Mackenzie King is on the $50, the Queen is on the $20,
John A. Macdonald is on the $10, and Wilfrid Laurier is on the $5.


Incidently, CBS Sunday Morning this past Sunday did a segment on US
currency and went through notes that are no longer being printed, but
are still legal tender, if you happen to have one...

$500: William McKinley (fans of The Simpsons would know this!)
$1000: Grover Cleveland
$5000: James Madison
$10000: Solmon Chase
- not a POTUS - he was Secretary of the Treasury and the 6th chief justice
$100,000: Woodrow Wilson
- but no one ever needed to get change for it, because it was used for
funds transfer between federal reserve banks

[David Amicus]

Wouldn't a King George note be worth more to a collector than its face value at a store?

[David Amicus]

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:34:02 PM UTC-7, Calvin Henry-Cotnam wrote:

If the sales tax is 7% and the item costs 99 cents the total is $1.06. If a person pays cash they pay $1.10. Doesn't seem right.

[E. Barry Bruyea]

I would like to comment on Obama's hypocrisy, given his reaction and
that of many Americans when the P.M. of Israel dared to comment
aggressively on American foreign policy during his visit to the U.S.
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[MartinR]

In a sense it doesn't matter what Obama says, as the damage is already starting to be done as the uncertainty over leaving takes hold. I shudder to think how badly the country (and especially our pockets) would be affected if we did leave.

This is worth a look:

https://youtu.be/ptfmAY6M6aA

MartinR
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[MartinS]

David Amicus <ami...@webtv.net> wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 1:01:38 PM UTC-7, Mudge wrote:
>> On 2016-04-25 07:02:25 +0000, kat said:
>> > On 25/04/2016 03:56, David Amicus wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA
>> >> COLA.
>
>> >> But he is changing our currency.
>> >
>> > In what way is he changing your currency?
>>
>> Lincoln is being removed for one thing !
>>

> They would never remove Washington our Pater Patriae despite him
> having been a slave owner. There would be protests and boycotts!
>
> There was talk of removing Hamilton from the $10 dollar bill but
> recently he has become popular because of a current Broadway musical.
> Some think that Hamilton was of partial African heritage. The actor
> playing him in the musical is black. Hamilton was a Federalist i.e.
> he supported centralized big government. Plus he was not a slave
> owner.

There are claims he was a womanizer, but then that's not uncommon.

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[MartinS]

David Amicus <ami...@webtv.net> wrote:

> There will continue to be a one cent coin until stores stop pricing
> items at 99 cents and sales taxes change accordingly.

Canada doesn't have a problem. Cash purchases are rounded up or down to
the nearest 5 cents. Electronic purchases are not rounded.

> There is still a $2 bill but hard to come by even at the bank. Cash
> registers don't have a drawer for it.

I have a US $2 bill I got at San Diego Zoo in 1985. It has an engraving
of the Declaration of Independence on the back. People who've examined
it closely say there's a woman and a person of colour amongst the
onlookers.

> People do not like the $1 coin.

The people aren't in favour of saving millions of dollars?

> I've not seen a 50 cent coin in a very long time. The 25 cent coin
> (quarter) is common and popular. I could envision stop printing the $1
> bill and just not replacing it with a coin. 8 quarters and the $2
> bill would be easy to deal with.

I doubt that would be popular with the public. A $1 or $2 coin is
lighter and less bulky than 4 or 8 quarters.

I remember in Boston in the 1990s boarding the streetcar at Riverside
for a ride downtown. The farebox didn't take bills, and $1 coins weren't
in general circulation. For 2 people, I had to dump 12 quarters in the
box, which then slowly counted them.

Things are different today with chip-enabled credit cards, prepaid
contactless cards and monthly passes. London buses no longer accept
cash. Even the Coke machines outide Walmart now accept credit cards.

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Martin S

[MartinS]

Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
> On 2016-04-25 07:02:25 +0000, kat said:
>> On 25/04/2016 03:56, David Amicus wrote:
>>>
>>> I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA.
>>> But he is changing our currency.
>>
>> In what way is he changing your currency?
>
> Lincoln is being removed for one thing !

No, he's not, at least in the forseeable future. Even if a decision were
made to change the $5 bill, it would take years to design and put into
production.

Andrew Jackson, 7th US president, is being removed from the $20, but not
Alexander Hamilton, Founding Father and first Secretary of the Treasury
from the $10.

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Martin S

[MartinS]

Calvin Henry-Cotnam <cal...@remove.daxack.ca> wrote:
> David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...
>>
>>Sorry to keep posting but isn't the Queen on all currency?
>
> Not in Canada. She's only on our $20. She is on all our coins, but
> currency is technically only notes.
>
> We have Kings, Queens, Macs, and Willies. ;-)
>
> William Lyon Mackenzie King is on the $50, the Queen is on the $20,
> John A. Macdonald is on the $10, and Wilfrid Laurier is on the $5.

Bobbies, too! Robert Borden is on the $100 bill, the highest
denomination in circulation. Banks will give you $50s and $100s if you
ask for large bills on a withdrawal, but many stores won't accept them
because of the possibility of forgery. Most ATMs dispense only $20s.

The Canadian $1000 bill (which had the Queen on the front) was withdrawn
in 2000 to mitigate money laundering and organized crime. I had some in
my hand briefly years ago, transferring cash from one bank to another.

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Martin S

[MartinS]

Calvin Henry-Cotnam <cal...@remove.daxack.ca> wrote:
> David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...
>>

>>I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA.
>>But he is changing our currency.
>

> The US Treasury was privatized years ago, so no arm of the government,
> not even POTUS, can "change" the currency.

The US Treaury is not privatized, it is a Department of the federal
government. The Secretary of the Treasury is appointed by the Senate.

https://www.treasury.gov/about/role-of-treasury/Pages/default.aspx

There was controversy in the Senate around the 2013 hiring of the current
Secretary, Jack Lew, over allegations that he was not thoroughly vetted,
and had previous shady dealings in the private sector (cf D Trump!).
Likewise re Mary Jo White, hired from the financial sector to head the
Securities and Exchange Commission

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2013/03/has-the-sec-and-u-s-treasury-been-privatized-by-wall-street/

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[MartinS]

MartinS <m...@my.place.invalid> wrote:

> The people aren't in favour of saving millions of dollars?

Sorry, make that billions.

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[David Amicus]

The sheep don't care.

Several years ago on the California ballot there was an initiative to do two things - raise the state sales tax (which would affect everyone especially the poor) and to increase the income tax on "the rich" (whoever that might be). The pro side emphasized "sock it to the rich" and the sheep voted for it!

Last week outside the grocery store was a man collecting signatures for several ballot initiatives. One again was to raise the income tax on "the rich". I did not sign it.

One thing my father taught me was always to vote NO whenever the government asks for money. They don't use what they already have right!

[kat]

I don't see the connection, the EU is not the ECHR.
--
kat
>^..^<

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

MartinS (m...@my.place.invalid) said...

>
>Calvin Henry-Cotnam <cal...@remove.daxack.ca> wrote:
>> David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...
>>>
>>>Sorry to keep posting but isn't the Queen on all currency?
>>
>> Not in Canada. She's only on our $20. She is on all our coins, but
>> currency is technically only notes.
>>
>> We have Kings, Queens, Macs, and Willies. ;-)
>>
>> William Lyon Mackenzie King is on the $50, the Queen is on the $20,
>> John A. Macdonald is on the $10, and Wilfrid Laurier is on the $5.
>
>Bobbies, too! Robert Borden is on the $100 bill, the highest
>denomination in circulation.

Oops, I missed the C-note.

>Banks will give you $50s and $100s if you
>ask for large bills on a withdrawal, but many stores won't accept them
>because of the possibility of forgery.

This was supposed to be eliminated with the polymer bills, but old
habbits die hard. Oddly, I have seen a number of gas (petrol) stations
who post signs that say "We do not give change for $50 and $100 notes".

If I didn't exclusively use credit cards for gas, and if gas prices were
high enough that it cost at least $50 to fill my tank, the S-disturber
in me would like to go in to pay the exact amount using a $50 bill. Their
sign doesn't say they don't take them, it just says they won't give change
when using them!

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...

>
>Wouldn't a King George note be worth more to a collector than its face value
>at a store?

The one he got has a tear in it, but even with that it is likely worth
more than its face value. There is a shop nearby us that deals in
coins, notes, and precious metals where he could get a valuation on it
and all the other no-longer-well-circulated notes.

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...

>
> Calvin Henry-Cotnam wrote:
>> Those are irrelevant. We got rid of the penny several years ago and
>> stores still price things at 99 cents and sales tax is added at the
>> register. Cash purchases are simply rounded to the nearest nickle
>> (down for .01 and .02, up for .03 and .04) after taxes have been added.
>>
>

>If the sales tax is 7% and the item costs 99 cents the total is $1.06. If
>a person pays cash they pay $1.10. Doesn't seem right.

Re-read what I wrote (you have to do a little math to extrapolate it
to values from 6 to 9 cents): the amount is ROUNDED. That person would
pay $1.05

That said, Home Depot Canada drops the price to the nearest nickle,
instead of rounding, when you make a purchase.

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

MartinS (m...@my.place.invalid) said...

>
>The US Treaury is not privatized, it is a Department of the federal
>government. The Secretary of the Treasury is appointed by the Senate.

My mistake. It is the Federal Reserve Bank that was privatized, and
they are the ones responsible for issuing notes, which was the topic
of the discussion.

[David Amicus]

Might work in other countries but I can not imagine here in the USA the government allowing it to be rounded down.

[MartinS]

David Amicus <ami...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Calvin Henry-Cotnam wrote:
>> David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...
>> > Calvin Henry-Cotnam wrote:
>> >> Those are irrelevant. We got rid of the penny several years ago
>> >> and stores still price things at 99 cents and sales tax is added
>> >> at the register. Cash purchases are simply rounded to the nearest
>> >> nickle (down for .01 and .02, up for .03 and .04) after taxes have
>> >> been added.
>> >
>> >If the sales tax is 7% and the item costs 99 cents the total is
>> >$1.06. If a person pays cash they pay $1.10. Doesn't seem right.
>>
>> Re-read what I wrote (you have to do a little math to extrapolate it
>> to values from 6 to 9 cents): the amount is ROUNDED. That person
>> would pay $1.05
>>
>> That said, Home Depot Canada drops the price to the nearest nickle,
>> instead of rounding, when you make a purchase.
>

> Might work in other countries but I can not imagine here in the USA
> the government allowing it to be rounded down.

Why not? 40% of the time it's rounded up, 40% of the time it's rounded
down, 20% of the time it's not rounded. It evens out in the long run.

When you consider that buying power of a nickel today is about the same
as a penny circa 30 years ago, it makes sense to get rid of the 1 cent
coin. Likewise, replacing the $1 bill with a coin, since it buys less
than a dime would buy in the 1960s, e.g. a newspaper, a coffee, a candy
bar or a can of soda pop. Billions have been spent needlessly in the USA
on equipping vending machines and fare boxes to accept paper bills.

--
Martin S

[kat]

On 27/04/2016 23:21, Calvin Henry-Cotnam wrote:
> MartinS (m...@my.place.invalid) said...
>>
>> Calvin Henry-Cotnam <cal...@remove.daxack.ca> wrote:
>>> David Amicus (ami...@webtv.net) said...
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to keep posting but isn't the Queen on all currency?
>>>
>>> Not in Canada. She's only on our $20. She is on all our coins, but
>>> currency is technically only notes.
>>>
>>> We have Kings, Queens, Macs, and Willies. ;-)
>>>
>>> William Lyon Mackenzie King is on the $50, the Queen is on the $20,
>>> John A. Macdonald is on the $10, and Wilfrid Laurier is on the $5.
>>
>> Bobbies, too! Robert Borden is on the $100 bill, the highest
>> denomination in circulation.
>
> Oops, I missed the C-note.
>
>> Banks will give you $50s and $100s if you
>> ask for large bills on a withdrawal, but many stores won't accept them
>> because of the possibility of forgery.
>
> This was supposed to be eliminated with the polymer bills, but old
> habbits die hard. Oddly, I have seen a number of gas (petrol) stations
> who post signs that say "We do not give change for $50 and $100 notes".
>
> If I didn't exclusively use credit cards for gas, and if gas prices were
> high enough that it cost at least $50 to fill my tank, the S-disturber
> in me would like to go in to pay the exact amount using a $50 bill. Their
> sign doesn't say they don't take them, it just says they won't give change
> when using them!
>

Be happy. I have a Hyundai i10, a small city car. Tank capacity 35
litres. Current petrol costs vary but are all over £1 a litre, where it
was a couple of months ago, so we will use that.
Current exchange rate suggests I would get 1.83 CAD for a pound. Cost
to fill car tank $60.05 and rising. There's always a bit left in the
tank so $50 would be an expected sort of cost...

--
kat
>^..^<

[MartinS]

kat <little...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Be happy. I have a Hyundai i10, a small city car. Tank capacity 35
> litres. Current petrol costs vary but are all over £1 a litre, where
> it was a couple of months ago, so we will use that.
> Current exchange rate suggests I would get 1.83 CAD for a pound. Cost
> to fill car tank $60.05 and rising. There's always a bit left in the
> tank so $50 would be an expected sort of cost...

I noticed today that regular gas was over $1 a litre for the first time in
several months. Diesel is under $0.90.

We are currently watching Series 4 of House of Cards with Kevin Spacey;
it's set during the run-up to the 2016 presidential election. One notable
difference from reality is that Russia is putting the squeeze on petroleum
exports; people in the US are queuing up to buy gas, and the price is over
US$6/USgallon. It's actually between $1.90 and $2.80, but trending up. That
equates to between CAD$0.63 and $0.94 or UK 34p to 50p per litre.

http://www.gasbuddy.com

--
Martin S

[Truebrit]

"kat" <little...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:do5toa...@mid.individual.net...

> On 25/04/2016 03:56, David Amicus wrote:
>
>>

>> I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA.
>> But he is changing our currency.
>>
>
>

> In what way is he changing your currency?
>

> --

Printing so much it is becoming worthless.
Alex C.

[Truebrit]

"in message news:do4j1m...@mid.individual.net...
> On 24/04/2016 19:14, E. Barry Bruyea wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:48:35 -0700 (PDT), David Amicus
>> <ami...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 1:46:43 PM UTC-7, kat wrote:
>>>> On 22/04/2016 19:55, David Amicus wrote:
>>>>> <<Boris Johnson played the racist card by claiming it was Obama's
>>>>> Kenyan
>>>>> heritage that made him resent the British Empire.>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand why Obama admires his father so much. He deserted
>>>>> the family.
>>>>>
>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the Republican Party race for President. One thing many
>>>>> don't know is that it takes more than just getting a certain number of
>>>>> delegates to get the nomination. A person must win 50% + 1 of the
>>>>> vote in an at least 8 states. That's one reason Kasich does not drop
>>>>> out. I think Trump only has one state (New York). Cruz has has
>>>>> several.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Cleveland Convention should be interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have also read ( this week ) that the party will not oppose him if he
>>>> gets close to the required number of delegates. So maybe he has more
>>>> than you think?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> kat
>>>> >^..^<
>>>
>>> They can always change the rules. Maybe the PTB in the party don't want
>>> a fight if Trump is not given the nomination?
>>
>> It doesn't matter if Trump gets the nod. There is no way in hell he
>> will ever be elected POTUS.
>
>GordonD" <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote: In a world where Leicester City
>need five points from three games to
> become English league champions, there is no such thing as "no way in
> hell".
> --
>
Especially considering that last season they were very close to relegation.

[Truebrit]

> David Amicus <ami...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> Mr Trumps's mother is of Scottish heritage
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

>"MartinS" <m...@my.place.invalid> wrote:
> Trump's father is of German heritage, but he told his Jewish tenants in
> New
> York that he was Swedish so they wouldn't gang up on him.
>
> Cruz and Kasich are joining forces in a last ditch effort to prevent Trump
> getting the GOP nomination, by not opposing each other in Indiana, Oregon
> and New Mexico. See www.cnn.com
>
> --

And we saw just how well that worked out.

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

kat (little...@hotmail.com) said...

>
>Be happy. I have a Hyundai i10, a small city car. Tank capacity 35
>litres. Current petrol costs vary but are all over £1 a litre, where it
>was a couple of months ago, so we will use that.
>Current exchange rate suggests I would get 1.83 CAD for a pound. Cost
>to fill car tank $60.05 and rising. There's always a bit left in the
>tank so $50 would be an expected sort of cost...

People complain that we pay high fuel prices, but that is compared to
the USA, not the rest of the world. Today, typical prices were about
$1.05 per litre around here, though I just filled up for $1.009 (one
hundred point nine cents per litre). My Ford Focus has a tank that is
around 40-42 litres, so the fill-up was 39.7 litres for a total of $40.

If prices return to where they ought to be, we would be paying between
$1.30 and $1.40 per litre, but that will still be awhile.

[E. Barry Bruyea]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:39:07 -0400, "Truebrit" <sly_...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>> David Amicus <ami...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr Trumps's mother is of Scottish heritage
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
>
>>"MartinS" <m...@my.place.invalid> wrote:
>> Trump's father is of German heritage, but he told his Jewish tenants in
>> New
>> York that he was Swedish so they wouldn't gang up on him.
>>
>> Cruz and Kasich are joining forces in a last ditch effort to prevent Trump
>> getting the GOP nomination, by not opposing each other in Indiana, Oregon
>> and New Mexico. See www.cnn.com
>>
>> --
>
>And we saw just how well that worked out.
>Alex C.

Recent events in California are repeating the 1968 protests in regards
the American elections only this time it's the republicans, not the
democrats. Most of my friends in the U.S. are at a loss as to who the
hell to vote for. They are mostly traditional republicans but do not
support Trump or Cruz. They are ambiguous about Kasich because they
don't think he has a hope in hell. Some of them have decided not to
vote in the presidential election taking the view that they are damned
if they do and damned if they don't and voting for Hillary would make
they reach for a barf bag. Where is Teddy Roosevelt when you need
him.

[kat]

On 30/04/2016 05:26, Truebrit wrote:
> "kat" <little...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:do5toa...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 25/04/2016 03:56, David Amicus wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I got nothing out of Obama. In fact three years there was no SSA COLA.
>>> But he is changing our currency.
>>>
>>
>>
>> In what way is he changing your currency?
>>
>> --
>
> Printing so much it is becoming worthless.
> Alex C.

:-)

--
kat
>^..^<

[David Amicus]

In the 1912 election Teddy was a spoiler which caused the Democrat Wilson to win over the Republican Taft and the USA has never been same since.

And in the 1916 Wilson's campaign slogan was "He Kept Us Out of War".